Linux-Misc Digest #62, Volume #26 Tue, 17 Oct 00 13:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux? (Christopher Browne)
8bit SB, mixer and nas (patrick)
Re: Belkin UPS model F6C525-SER & Linux (Russ Magee)
Re: ALSA sound for Intel8x0 (Ketil Klepsvik)
Re: Netscape weirdness etc. (Jan Schaumann)
Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux? (Robert Heller)
Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux? (Jan Schaumann)
Re: RPM Problems (major numbers <= 3) ("Jeff Susanj")
RPM file for XFTP Program? (Wretch)
Re: Trapped in X Window - HELP ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Different download types??? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Linux OS under W2K ("Mark S. Cubberley")
File system problem ("Chris Wong")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:39:10 GMT
In our last episode (Tue, 17 Oct 2000 08:41:30 -0000),
the artist formerly known as [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
>On Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:15:50 +0200, Matthias Warkus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>It was the Sun, 15 Oct 2000 22:47:56 GMT...
>>...and [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> Pretty good don't cut it.
>>>
>>> It sucks and is even more bloated than MSOffice.
>>
>>Define "it sucks". Define "bloated".
>>
>>(I don't use office suites at all, BTW, I don't cultivate any
>>irrational sympathies towards any such product.)
>I object to the very notion of an office suite. End users should be
>free to pick and choose the components they wish to use. Such
>components should interoperate freely.
>
> This is the promise of things like OLE that goes unfullfilled.
It was _never_ the promise of OLE; OLE was Microsoft's response to
OpenDoc, and was quite clearly intended to result in the elimination
of the latter.
And as for OpenDoc, while this was indeed an explicit part of its
intent, I'm not sure that it _only_ failed because of Microsoft's
opposition.
Indications are that it was difficult to develop for, so that almost
nobody would be developing those "interoperable components," which
would combine with them being likely to be buggy and insufficiently
specified to prove out the promise...
--
(concatenate 'string "aa454" "@" "freenet.carleton.ca")
<http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/compound.html>
if (argc > 1 && strcmp(argv[1], "-advice") == 0) {
printf("Don't Panic!\n");
exit(42);
}
(Arnold Robbins in the LJ of February '95, describing RCS)
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From: patrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: 8bit SB, mixer and nas
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:39:37 +0000
I am trying to configure nas (network audio sound) on an original 8bit
SB
(Sound Blaster) and I am having some difficulty.
It seems that the nasd will not run if it cannot open "/dev/mixer" (open
source
is wonderful). But I have been unable to get the mixer to work with the
SB. Is there
a module available that will create a working /dev/mixer with the SB?
Kernel 2.2.17 (can be changed)
No distribution.
Thanks
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Russ Magee)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Belkin UPS model F6C525-SER & Linux
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:42:26 GMT
I modified 'upsd' to work with the Belkin F5C520c UPS -- I don't know if
this is similar or not; the F5C520c looks like a fat power strip, and
is capable of notifying AC fail, low battery, and can be told to cut
power via an RS-232 line.
The new version of upsd is 2.4 I think, and is supposed to be available
on unc.sunsite.edu if I recall correctly; otherwise, get my version at
http://www.blitter.com/~rmagee/files/linux/upsd-2.1.tar.gz
Hope this helps,
-Russ
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, David Steuber wrote:
>Has anyone gotten this UPS to function properly under Linux? That is,
>can it shutdown and restart the computer using powerd?
>
>I'm reading the UPS-HOWTO now. However, a quick answer as to whether
>this thing uses a proprietary serial protocol (RS-232 cable) or
>something that Linux can understand would be very much appreciated.
>
>Thank you.
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: ALSA sound for Intel8x0
From: Ketil Klepsvik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 17 Oct 2000 18:43:40 +0200
Hi there
I just installed the ALSA drivers. Following the instructions to the
letter. (Including the lines to be added in conf.modules). Everything
works perfect apart from my mp3s playing at about 120% speed at all
times (smurf muzak ain't that cool).
I have a Intel i815 myself. Before I tried the ALSA i also got
4fronts OSS working fine too (Exept they cost money of course).
My conf.modules (the sound part):
# ALSA portion
alias char-major-116 snd
# OSS/Free portion
alias char-major-14 soundcore
alias snd-card-0 snd-card-intel8x0
alias sound-slot-0 snd-card-0
# OSS/Free portion - card #1
alias sound-service-0-0 snd-mixer-oss
alias sound-service-0-1 snd-seq-oss
alias sound-service-0-3 snd-pcm-oss
alias sound-service-0-8 snd-seq-oss
alias sound-service-0-12 snd-pcm-oss
Setting xmms to use OSS afterwards gave me all the music i needed
(with all the excess speed I did NOT need) =)
Hope ye got something outta that
K.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jan Schaumann)
Subject: Re: Netscape weirdness etc.
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:42:24 GMT
Jean-David Beyer wrote:
>Jan Schaumann wrote:
>
[why use netscape for news/mail/browsing]
>> >> >I want one tool that works for e-mail, browsing, and
>> >> >newsgroups. That way, when I am running the browser or the
>> >> >newsreader, I am automatically notified of incoming e-mail. I
>> >> >do not normally care to use /bin/mail or elm for e-mail because
>> >> >they do not render MIME very well (at all). I forget the news
>> >> >reader I used in the old pre-Netscape days (news?) because it
>> >> >does not notice incoming e-mail, etc.
>> >>
>> >> You should use any of the various mail-apps that check your mailbox and notify
>> >> you of incoming mail no matter if you are running a browser, a editor or
>> >> whatever.
>> >
>> >All very well, but which mailbox? The one at my ISP that I use most of the time,
>> >or the one at /var/spool/mail/jdbeyer? Even the bash shell can look at the
>> >/var/spool... one, but I would need something fancy to look at the more important
>> >one, the one at my ISP.
>>
>> Use fetchmail to retrieve the mail from your various ISP's to your local box.
>
>Is fetchmail as difficult to configure as sendmail? I would hate to go through
>something like configuring sendmail to get fetchmail working.
Nope, fetchmail is 8easy* to configure. It even has a graphical
configure-app-thingy. All you need to know he names of your isp's mail-server,
your username/password there and which user you want to have the mail sent to
locally. It has (in this context) nothing to do with sendmail.
>If fetchmail puts the stuff from my ISP into my local box, and it is full of graphic
>images, such as my sister tends to send me from her digital camera, how do I make
>Netscape look at them? Must I manually make it examine
>/var/spool/mail/jdbeyer/filename? I refuse to do that.
you can configure almost all mail-clients to spawn external applications to
view attachments/URL's etc. no big deal.
>
>Also, how do I use my digital signature (S-MIME type, not PGP) with mutt?
I don't do it, so I don't know - look it up on the webpage
(http://www.mutt.org).
<big snip>
>I am not offended. Microsoft offend me, but you have what I consider to be an honest
>difference of opinion with me.
>
>> However, you will loose efficiency. Learning to configure the *right* tools for
>> the *right* job may take a while, but in the end the result is worth it, IMHO.
>
>I guess we differ there. There are different kinds of efficiency, and efficiency of
>hardware use is a low priority with me except when I run compute-limited 6-hour jobs.
>I want efficiency of my intellectual effort. I want to learn as little as possible to
>get things done.
You "want to learn as little as possible"?? Oh, come on, that's just a dumb
statement. You want to go through the least possible effort, i believe that,
but refusing to learn mroe than absolutely neccessary??
>In a former life, I learned as much as possible about the OS I was
>using, etc., and it was worse than a waste of time because the undocumented stuff I
>learned would be changed at a moment's notice, so it was not really useable. While I
>am forced to act as a sysadmin for my machines here, I am not running them for the
>purpose of learning to be a sysadmin, but to get things done (which is why I cannot
>use Microsoft stuff: I have better things to do than reboot and recover and reinstall
>operating systems all the time).
Well, we can agree to disagree. I certainly do not want to force you to use
something that does not fit your purpose. I'm just saying that efficiency means
to get the job done in the least amount of time with the best possible result.
and that's spomething yo can only achieve if you are willing to learn things,
to climb (sometimes) steep learning-curves.
Cheers,
-Jan
P.S.: <netiquette part 2>
#include smiley.h
you want to read up on how to quote correctly, in particular, when to
snip content
</netiquette part 2>
--
Jan Schaumann <http://www.netmeister.org>
Please add smileys where appropriate.
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From: Robert Heller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:45:48 -0000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus),
In a message on Mon, 16 Oct 2000 23:34:15 +0200, wrote :
MW> It was the 16 Oct 2000 14:29:50 GMT...
MW> ...and Brian Langenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
MW> > : All I'm saying is that I'm sure that with a little bit of practice you
MW> > : will find yourself to be working much more efficiently using LaTeX than
MW> > : using word - you don't have to worry about what they document looks like
MW> > : while you're writing it.
MW> > : No more "highligth this, choose style, don't like it, choose another
MW> > : style, hit return 5 times, hit spacce 20 times, change font size
MW> > : blahblahblah".
MW> >
MW> > Combine LaTeX with makefiles and CVS for even more productivity
MW> > goodness. Edit away for hours on end, do a commit and have
MW> > your editor do an update - instant collaboration and revision
MW> > control. I don't understand why people settle for so much less
MW> > by writing for looks instead of meaning...*shrug*
MW>
MW> I wish we had a decent GUIfied authoring / workgroup management system
MW> wrapped around such a core, plus some GUI front end to do real desktop
MW> publishing with LaTeX.
MW>
MW> Have you ever tried to typeset an 80-page magazine with MS Publisher?
MW> I have, twice. It's even harder when you need to cooperate -- not even
MW> a CVS server would help you there, as a Publisher file is one huge
MW> chunk of binary data.
MW>
MW> Why doesn't modern productivity software store their documents as a
MW> directory tree of plain-text files (such as XML) and binary objects
MW> only where necessary? Why does Publisher need to rewrite 150 megs of
MW> data when I changed only a single letter in the magazine? Why is
MW> everything so synchronous (i.e. when I browse to a page and Publisher
MW> loads it, I need to wait for it to load, I can't interrupt it and go
MW> to another one before all the megabytes of images have been rendered)?
Plain-text files are easier to 'crack' than binary files. That is
it is trivial to reverse engineer a program using a plain text format --
one can spend 10 minutes with perl, tcl, etc. to extract information
from a plain text file and output into another plain text file. This is
really bad news if you want to have a monopoly. A plain text file can
be viewed with 'trivial' tools *on any machine* with *any operating
system*. There is no leverage. If MS-Word used a plain text format,
for example, this *whole thread* would never have existed -- it would be
an almost trivial task to write a set of GNU Emacs functions to deal
with a MS-Word document and the original poster of the original message
could get on with his collaboration. Instead, he will probably be
*forced* to *buy* a copy of MS-Windows and MS-Office, about $300+,
retail -- this is good for M$, and bad for everyone else.
MW>
MW> I could go on for hours. I suppose all these deficiencies hold true
MW> for most, if not all, modern DTP packages.
MW>
MW> It's time for someone to write *the* definitive free DTP program. If
MW> no one else will do it, I will. The problem is that it will probably
MW> take as long to develop as TeX did, which means I'm going to have to
MW> be a tenured professor before I can take the first stab at it ;)
Actually, probably not. TeX/LaTeX might be 90% there. All you really
need would be some sort of GUI layout front end for TeX or LaTeX
(probably TeX, since LaTeX is more for scholarly journals). Plain TeX
can typeset anything, but is a pain for arbitrary placement of material
(boxes) -- tons of fun with \hskip, \vskip, with picky sizes and stuff.
A GUI front-end can convert object dragging to the collection these
pesky commands needed. Then TeX and dvips can be used as a back-end to
create the PostScript output. Wire into the GUI front-end a
GIF/JPEG/TIFF whatever to PostScript (or back-end via ImageMagick or fork
GIMP, etc.) and you can hook in graphical elements (drawings, photos,
etc.).
I would say most of the truly hairy parts are done, since DTP is really
just a GUI over a typesetting system, and TeX is already here.
MW>
MW> mawa
MW> --
MW> Actually, the fun thing about playing the piano is that you can walk
MW> around in town with a Henle Urtext score, showing off, and feeling
MW> like a *musician*.
MW> -- mawa
MW>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jan Schaumann)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:45:54 GMT
Matthias Warkus wrote:
<snip>
>In the de.* hierarchy, we tell everyone who doesn't post under their
>realname to fuck off, which is a useful policy IMO.
I never really liked that policy. I accept it in de.*, where it is standard,
but I still reject killfiling people just because they do not want to give
their (a) real name.
Real (looking) name or not - you can always tell who's a troll.
However, I *do* agree that it is curtesey (sp?) to give your correct name.
Cheers,
-Jan
--
Jan Schaumann <http://www.netmeister.org>
Please add smileys where appropriate.
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From: "Jeff Susanj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: RPM Problems (major numbers <= 3)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:27:14 GMT
This is a guess but Red Hat has produced a new version or RPM, version 4. I
know the new RPM database is different so maybe the package files are also.
Could RPMs be for the new package manager?
Jeff S.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Hello everyone!
>
>I just installed TurboLinux 6.0.4 OSE Workstation today, and I noticed
>that it uses RPM. Well, I thought that is cool. So, i went to download
>an rpm from freshmeat.net and install it. Well, I did a rpm -ihv
><package>, and it gave me this error:
>
>only packages with major numbers <= 3 are supported by this version of
>RPM
>
>Gah! Whats this mean? I tried it on like 5 different packages, and all
>said the same thing.
>
>I installed an rpm that came with the distrobution cd, and it installed
>successfully.
>
>Does anyone have any idea on what to do to fix this? I used tarballs on
>some things (QT, Licq), but sometimes they are a pain in the arse. Any
>ideas or fixes would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Thanks in advance!
>Brady
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
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From: Wretch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RPM file for XFTP Program?
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:01:28 -0400
Hi -- I'm trying to get llnl's xftp program working
on my Redhat 6.2 linux machine. My attempt to install
xftp from the source files was a bust due to failed
dependencies.
Is there an .rpm file out there for the xftp program, suitable
for someone running Redhat 6.2?
Much thanks,
AC
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Trapped in X Window - HELP
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:35:09 +0100
Web Enthusiast <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> did eloquently scribble:
> I'ma Linux newbie who thinks he knows it all.
> Tried editing xf86config and downright MESSED it up
> Now my x window boots butr everything is HUGE
> To top it off my mouse works like it's on crack, just
> zipping all over the place. I cannot even use it to access
> the menu to open up a console window, don't know how to boot into
> text mode only, so stuck since it always boots into X
Reboot the machine. When you get to the LILO: prompt, type linux 2.
This forces it to boot to runlevel 2 which is text mode.
Then you can fix your XF86Config file.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Different download types???
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:46:16 +0100
Micer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> did eloquently scribble:
> I am downloading ipmasqadm and I use Redhat 6.0. So far I have the
> following:
> ipmasqadm-0.4.2.tar.gz
> ipmasqadm-0.4.2-2.glibc2.tar.gz
> ipmasqadm-0.4.2-2.i386.rpm
> ipmasqadm-0.4.2-3.src.rpm
> I am sure there are about 10 other suffixes floating around out there too! I
> have used ".tar.gz" files before. I have to do a configure and a build. But
> what is "glibc2"? And why is there an "i386.rpm" as well as a ".src.rpm"?
> Can anyone elaborate on the many suffixes?
glibc2 - probably precompiled binaries configured for the older glibc2.0
libraries.
rpm - Redhat Package Manager format. Precompiled binaries with built in
information on dependencies and where all the files will go.
src.rpm - Redhat RPM again, but this time sources. rpm can take the pain out
of compiling and installing sources in this format by using one command.
There's also .deb (debian package manager format)
.tgz (Old style slackware package format?)
And the cross platform file compression formats like .zip, .zoo, .lzh and
others.
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From: "Mark S. Cubberley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linux OS under W2K
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 11:57:34 -0500
Can anyone suggest a Linux distribution(s) that operates under Windows and
is compatible with Windows 2K? Thanks
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From: "Chris Wong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: File system problem
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 01:06:49 +0800
Hi,
I have a linux box web server, recently, I found that when it reboots, some
of the file system fail during the file system checking during boot up.
The error is something like:
/dev/hdb5: fsck.ext2 exit with signal 10
However, when I use fsck manually to check the file system, it says that the
file system is clean and I can manually mount it then. Can anyone tell me
what's wrong with this file system. Also, how can I skip the file system
checking during the boot up time?
Thanks for your help.
Regards,
Chris
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