Linux-Misc Digest #83, Volume #20 Thu, 6 May 99 12:13:09 EDT
Contents:
Security Online ("Elliott Paiken")
getch /getchar / getc ("news")
Re: Tape backups w/ SCSI inteface in Linux ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: RedHat 6.0 or SuSe 6.1? (Jerome Mrozak)
Re: Q:compiling c++ codes that contains templates ("D. Vrabel")
Can't get X to start.. Help Please ("Anthony DeLuca")
Re: Tape backups w/ SCSI inteface in Linux (-bill-)
Re: users again >:( (Charles Mulks)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522) (Robert
Krawitz)
Re: Is Unix a single user operating system? (was: Wanted: Database/Contact mgr with
backend on Linux/FreeBSD, web frontend) ("MeatHead")
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (Mike Coffin)
Re: ?Windows NT dialup to Linux PPP server? (Richard Birchall)
Re: CPU idle tool in Linux? ("D. Vrabel")
Re: where to put libjpeg.so , libpng.so files ? (Thomas Zajic)
Re: Newsgroup-Reader for multipart-messages (Thomas Zajic)
Re: Red Hat Linux - can't login. Pls HELP!! (Shellfer)
Re: Is Unix a single user operating system? ("Rolf Marvin B�e Lindgren")
Re: Boycott Intel on your own webpage (Erica Vogle)
Re: Ugent! Help with xv! (Pete)
Re: Is Unix a single user operating system? (Lack Mr G M)
Backup solutions help ("Mike Engelhart")
Re: Netscape 4.51 question (Unclebob)
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From: "Elliott Paiken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Security Online
Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 09:37:22 -0400
How can I secure my self from people logging into my PC on different ports?
how do I close them?
and what procedures do I have to accomplish to make sure none is coming in
and that I can see who is logging in? thanks
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From: "news" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: getch /getchar / getc
Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 12:38:59 +0200
Does N E 1 know how to get a singel char input from keyboard
using generic C ( without using ncurses.h or vga.h )
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Tape backups w/ SCSI inteface in Linux
Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 13:09:11 GMT
In article <MPG.119a34d39db69580989680@jowild>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aaron Bredon) wrote:
> In article <7gphib$feb$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> > I've been looking for a stutable 10gb+ backup solution for
> > usage on a Linux box. I've come across several Tape/DAT
> > backups that use the SCSI inteface.
> >
> > I wasn't even aware that SCSI could be used for streaming media.
> >
> > My question is; will these backups typically work in Linux?
> > I.e., can I use tar paramters > /dev/sdXXX?
>
> The device files for SCSI tape drives are /dev/st*
> (rewind after write) and /dev/nst* (no rewind)
And if you define an environment variable, TAPE=/dev/nst*; then you
can just do "tar c ." to back up the current directory. Tar, mt,
mt-st, and mtx honor the TAPE variable.
--
Louis-ljl-{ Louis J. LaBash, Jr. }
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From: Jerome Mrozak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: RedHat 6.0 or SuSe 6.1?
Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 08:22:17 -0500
"Derek S. Smigelski" wrote:
>
> I have both which is better??
>
> Thanks,
> Derek
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
A question dearer to my heart is, which distribution will give me fewer
headaches for installing 3rd party apps or upgrading software bundled
with the distribution.
As my example (I don't own it -- yet), RH6 includes KDE RPM, but KDE
says that RH will support its RPM (with its altered install
directories), and that the archives available directly from KDE are thus
different.
I believe (no knowledge, just assumption) that RH6 also includes some
version of StarOffice (perhaps in boxed set?). If it does, then does it
alter StarOffice to use the "new" glibs? Many posters, apparently with
downloaded images of RH6, post "I can't make SO 5.0 run".
So, I want to resolve in my mind this question: If I install RH6, must
I wait for RH specific archives are available so they fit into where RH
has put them? And how many programs does this happen for? If I've
brought up the only two in the universe then I can deal with it. But if
RH tweaks every directory (speculation -- would it do this even to
GNOME??), then my installed Linux becomes _proprietary_ to RH.
What I've wandered to is this assertion: If RH would tweak directories
so that the ordinary archives won't uninstall into useful (to RH)
directories then RH distribution becomes a propetary OS. Now, gentle
people, is this assertion justified and true, or utter nonsense?
TIA,
Jerome.
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From: "D. Vrabel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Q:compiling c++ codes that contains templates
Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 11:11:42 +0100
On Thu, 6 May 1999, Richard wrote:
> "D. Vrabel" wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 6 May 1999, Richard wrote:
> >
> > > As title says: How do I compile c++ codes that contains
> > > templates?
> > > I know that I have to use the flag -frepo when doing compilation.
> > > But I just couldn't link the object files after that.
> > -frepo is an switch for older gcc's. Leave it out and you'll be able to
> > compile template stuff.
> >
> Well, I found this flag (-frepo) when I failed to do separate
> compilation
> of a template class. If I put the definitions of member functions
> together with
> the template class in one file, the program compiles, but if I separete
> them
> to one header file and one .cc file, the compilation would fail with
> some message
You can't do this. The compiler needs to see all the template
code so it can generate the code for referenced templates for each source
file. A seperate process (collect2 I believe) runs before linking to
remove duplicate instatiations of a template. ie You can't seperatly
compile a template because it doesn't know what types to generate the code
for. If you take a look at the STL headers you'll see that all the code
is in the headers.
David
--
David Vrabel
Engineering Undergraduate at University of Cambridge, UK.
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From: "Anthony DeLuca" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Can't get X to start.. Help Please
Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 10:17:32 -0400
I just completed the installation of Mandrake 5.3 and am having problems
getting the Xwindow system to start. I feel that I configured my monitor
and video card correctly, but I am new, so anything is possible. At the
command prompt I typed "startx" and got the following message:
(--) SVGA: PCI: Matrox MGA 2164w rev 0, Memory @ 0xfb000000, 0xff000000,
MMIO @ 0xffbec000
(--) SVGA: Linear framebuffer at 0xFB000000
(--) SVGA: MMIO registers at 0xFFBEC000
(--) SVGA: Video BIOS: info block at 0x000c7ba0
(--) SVGA: Found and verified enhanced Video BIOS info block
(--) SVGA: chipset: mga2164w
(**) SVGA: videoram: 4096k
(**) SVGA: Option: "dac_8_bit"
(**) SVAG: Using 32bpp, Depth 24, Color Weight: 888
(--) SVGA: Maximum allowed dot-clock: 230.000 MHZ
(--) SVGA: There is no mode definition named "800x600"
Fatal server error:
No valid modes found.
When reporting a problem related to a server crash, please send the full
screen output, not just the last messages
_X11TransSocketUNIXConnect: Can't Connect: errno = 111
giving up.
xinit: Connection refused (errno:111): unable to connect to X server
xinit: No such process (errno 3): Server error.
[root@localhost /root]#
I tried the command again, but got the same results. I can't find any info
on this in the FAQ's. Hope to hear from you soon. Thank you in advance.
Tony
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From: -bill- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Tape backups w/ SCSI inteface in Linux
Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 06:15:16 -0400
I have an adaptec 1542 adaptor, a sony sdt-700 compressing DAT drive and
2 hard disks all running at once and the tape still streams.
data from hd to adaptor to DMA to adaptor to tape, no problem
--
-bill-
Technical Service Systems - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charles Mulks)
Subject: Re: users again >:(
Date: 6 May 1999 13:36:44 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
says...
>
>I have a who that reports 13 users on. But only 1 or 2 are actually
>on. So these ghost users (they are real accounts) are consuming sys
>resources, but running ps aux shows nothing run by them. I have 2.2 on
>a sys that is fully compliant of 2.2, runing RH5.2.
>
>Is there a way to get rid of said users without rebooting?
>
not entirely sure this is what you want, but maybe...
1. find out who's 'connected'
/root] # w
this will generate a list of user names, which tty or ttyp they are
connected to, and other stuff
2. find the corresponding PID for eg. ttyp4
/root] # ps tttyp4 (not the leading extra 't')
this lists the desired PID and some other stuff
3. kill the PID (eg 1234)
/root] # kill -9 1234
4. back to step 1
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From: Robert Krawitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522)
Date: 06 May 1999 10:56:07 -0400
jik- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Boy, you must not read much....." not because literacy is in and of
> itself an intrinsic good. To an individual, being able to read really
> isn't,"
>
> More idiotic words have never been spoken. I personally gain a great
> deal from my ability to read, though I do not excercise it often enough
> for my tastes.
Why do you think you have such a wide variety of literature to choose
from in the first place?
--
Robert Krawitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.tiac.net/users/rlk/
Tall Clubs International -- http://www.tall.org/ or 1-888-IM-TALL-2
Member of the League for Programming Freedom -- mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Linux doesn't dictate how I work, I dictate how Linux works."
--Eric Crampton
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From: "MeatHead" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Is Unix a single user operating system? (was: Wanted: Database/Contact
mgr with backend on Linux/FreeBSD, web frontend)
Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 09:16:56 -0500
Rolf Marvin B�e Lindgren wrote in message ...
>[ Markus Wandel
>
>| If you want more than two levels of user on Unix you have to fiddle
>| with group privileges and I'd be the first to admit that it's
>| confusing but people use them all the time and they do work, e.g. for
>| a project-wide shared RCS repository.
>
>I know it works. but I think it's clumsy, inelegant, and implemented
>better in other operating systems.
>
>(The Windows suite of operating systems I would _like_ to consider
>zero-user, but I have no such luck, alas).
>
>--
>Rolf Lindgren
http://www.uio.no/~roffe/
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Why don't we compromise and call Windows a half-user OS? Because with all
the rebooting and crashing you only get about half the amount of work done.
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From: Mike Coffin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism
Date: 06 May 1999 07:44:46 -0700
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus) writes:
> If ESR is by any way a typical libertarian, then what you say is
> wrong. For ESR, there are no nuances, just all this do-or-die coercion
> first-use-of-force "Ethics From the Barrel of a Gun" bullshit.
If ESR is a typical libertarian, he insists that everyone should be
left alone unless they try to bludgen someone else into doing
something they don't want to do. His philosophy is the precise
opposite of "ethics from the barrel of a gun".
-mike
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From: Richard Birchall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: ?Windows NT dialup to Linux PPP server?
Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 13:12:08 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
jianhong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Windows NT dialup does send out "CLIENT" first, as I can see from
> `minicom` on the Linux box. However, when I added
> CLIENT SERVER
> to the chatscript file, the ppp server on the Linux still failed
Sorry, my mistake. The proper string is CLIENTSERVER (one word).
Richard
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From: "D. Vrabel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: CPU idle tool in Linux?
Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 14:20:35 +0100
On Thu, 6 May 1999, Tuomo Louhivuori wrote:
> I'm new to the linux and I was wondering if there are tools to
> run HLT-command on CPU in idle threads. Like CPUidle etc on windows.
If by HLT you mean the assembler instruction then I doubt you can because
HLT is a priviledged instruction that only the kernel can run. The
kernel of course does execute HLT when the CPU is idle.
David
--
David Vrabel
Engineering Undergraduate at University of Cambridge, UK.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Zajic)
Subject: Re: where to put libjpeg.so , libpng.so files ?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 13:20:12 GMT
On Thu, 06 May 1999 06:51:12 GMT, Mihaly Gyulai wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > 'libjpeg.so.62: ELF file data encoding not little-endian'
> > > What's the problem now ?
> > Now where does that libjpeg.so.62 come from?
> I don't know for sure... I searched for it and found somewhere...
> Can it be made for other platforms ??
Sure, it could ... I doubt that Intel is the only platform that is
jpeg-enabled. ;-)
> > What does �ldd amaya� say?
> The same error message : 'ELF file ... no little-endian'
Hmmm ... maybe it�s the other way round, ie. you picked a wrong amaya
rpm (say, for RedHat/Alpha) by mistake, and amaya sends its data to
libjpeg in the wrong endian format? Just a shot into the dark ...
> > Do other programs linked again libjpeg still work?
> I don't know. How can I check it ? What other programs do you think ?
Some picture viewers, maybe (I checked my xv, but the jpeg code seems
to be hardcoded/statically linked in).
I have to admit that this problem really puzzles me. If everything
else fails, try to (re-)download and re-install the libjpeg and amaya
rpms, and make absolutely sure that it says "i386" somewhere in the
rpm name. Other than that, I�m at my wits end - anyone else?
Thomas
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Zajic)
Subject: Re: Newsgroup-Reader for multipart-messages
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 13:21:30 GMT
On Thu, 6 May 1999 12:44:16 +0200 , Braunstein Armin wrote:
> Hi!
> Where can i find a newsreader-program, which can handle multipart-messages
> like the windows-program "Forte Agent"?
> I want to save binaries from several newsgroups and most of the messages
> have the following format: "Text (part/all)" ie. "test (1/12)"
> thank's in advance
> Armin
Same answer for the second time today: [EMAIL PROTECTED]! ;-)
Thomas
--
=--- Thomas Zajic aka ZlatkO ThE GoDFatheR, Vienna/Austria ---=
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Shellfer)
Crossposted-To: alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions,alt.os.linux,jaring.os.linux
Subject: Re: Red Hat Linux - can't login. Pls HELP!!
Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 13:35:10 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>If anything failed, and hopefully you've lilo installed. At the lilo prompt,
>issue a "vmlinuz single" (w/o quotes) and edit the /etc/password, clear the
>2nd column (which has junk word) and reboot.
Nope, doesn't work. Said something got to do with "image". I think
it's the equivalent to "bad command or filename" in DOS. <shrug>
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From: "Rolf Marvin B�e Lindgren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Is Unix a single user operating system?
Date: 06 May 1999 13:42:35 +0200
[ Rolf Marvin Be Lindgren
| UNIX supports several users out of convenience - some processes are
| best run as a separate users. to me, the fact that the same machine
| can run several login shells simultaneously is not sufficient to call
| it anything else. the concept, in UNIX, is a hack - for instance,
| that there are only two levels of user - root and not root.
[ zenin
| This is why Unix has groups.
right, and a file can belong to at most one user and one group, and on
some unices there's even a limitation to how many groups a user can
belong to.
under VMS, OPERATOR can read and write to all user's directories. under
UNIX, only root can do that.
whenever a user came to us with a magtape, under VMS it was no problem
to dump the contents to the user's home directory. under UNIX, we had
to use the only machine that could read the tape station, find a
directory with enough room, _ask root to mount that machine's disk to
the user's machine so the user could read his tape dump_...
all of this convinced me that an operating system that does not support
an OPERATOR concept is fundamentally single-user. there muse be a user
midway between user and root.
--
Rolf Lindgren http://www.uio.no/~roffe/
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Erica Vogle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Boycott Intel on your own webpage
Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 10:31:39 -0500
Andrew Comech wrote:
>
> On Wed, 5 May 1999 22:16:58 -0400, Bill Frisbee wrote:
> >
> >Last time I checked you all had IP addresses, MAC addresses
> >and some like Sun boxes and several other Uber
> >processor machines had serial numbers.
>
> You _think_ there is no difference between the above numbers and the
> PSN thing. I _think_ you are wrong. Let me try to justify my point of view:
> MAC addresses are only relevant when we are talking about MAC users, IP
> numbers are usually dynamically-assigned, SUN boxes are not a common thing
> at home, and "who's Uber?".
When he says MAC addresses, he doesn't mean MACintosh, he means MAC
address, as in ethernet address, the address that IP addresses are
finally translated to. And he is right, since MAC addresses are more or
less unique. A site could theoretically track these just as they could
do with the hostid on a Solaris machine, or the Processor# in a PIII.
This is not a new concept by any stretch of the imagination. It's only
a big deal because the media has begun harping on it as the downfall of
civilization, which has gotten the less-than-informed to take up arms
against Intel. And you know what? It's not that different than when a
site throws a cookie on your machine, so the next time you visit that
site, they know who you are and can base questions, offerings, news,
etc. on it.
Just because, as you state, SUN boxes are not a common thing at home,
doesn't mean that they aren't a common thing at businesses, where the
real battle over tracking serial numbers would be fought. Trust me, Sun
Workstations are all over the place, and you know what? Businesses
don't mind that they have a burned in serial number.
--Brian
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From: Pete <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: Ugent! Help with xv!
Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 16:20:34 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> In article <7gorf1$2ht$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Kenny Zhu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Hi there. I need to convert ps images to gif or jpeg. I know xv can do
> >that but I couldn't manage to display ps files even thought I have
> >ghostscript package installed. Please help me. This is urgent! Thanks in
> ...<snip>...
> I really like the ImageMagick suite of programs and it can
> convert between many different formats, including postscript. When you
> install it, you can display your file with the display program (i.e.
> display x.ps), then use a select box to save it in a different format (i.e.
> jpg). Or, you can just run another program in the suite, convert, from
> the command line ( convert x.ps x.jpg). You can change the size while
> you're doing it if you want (convert -geometry 50%x50% x.ps x.gif).
>
> --
> Praeterea censeo Micromolle non esse utendum.
> ("Moreover, I maintain that Microsoft should not be used." With apologies
> to Cato the Elder)
> ---- Remove "UhUh" and "Spam" to get my real email address -----
xfig can do the trick too. Import a ps file into a new picture and then
export to gif of jpeg, that should do the trick.
Pete
--
remove 'x' for email
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lack Mr G M)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Is Unix a single user operating system?
Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 16:18:37 BST
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Rolf Marvin B�e Lindgren"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
|> [ Rolf Marvin Be Lindgren
|>
|> | UNIX supports several users out of convenience - some processes are
|> | best run as a separate users. to me, the fact that the same machine
|> | can run several login shells simultaneously is not sufficient to call
|> | it anything else. the concept, in UNIX, is a hack - for instance,
|> | that there are only two levels of user - root and not root.
|>
|> [ zenin
|>
|> | This is why Unix has groups.
|>
|> right, and a file can belong to at most one user and one group, and on
|> some unices there's even a limitation to how many groups a user can
|> belong to.
Most (all?) systems have a limitation on the number of groups a useer
can be in.
|> under VMS, OPERATOR can read and write to all user's directories. under
|> UNIX, only root can do that.
Not sure what the point is here, but I think you are wrong. I
believe that there is a set of "rights" on VAX, one of which is
"readall" and OPERATOR has it by default.
Interestingly, Irix has a similar setup with "capabilities", and there
is capabilities code in Linux (for POSIX).
|> all of this convinced me that an operating system that does not support
|> an OPERATOR concept is fundamentally single-user. there muse be a user
|> midway between user and root.
It might be single-administrator, but it is decidely *not* single
user. I have Unix systems with large numbers of different users doing
disparate things at the same times and each process has rights based on
its uid, of which there are many in concurrent use.
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From: "Mike Engelhart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Backup solutions help
Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 15:28:23 GMT
Hi,
I have an Sony DDS-2 SCSI backup solution that I've been using on a
Macintosh for couple of years for personal backups of music files, etc. I
now have 4 different servers in my office, a Linux box, a NeXTStep 3.3 box
running as a mail server and a LinuxPPC running on PowerMac. My question
is, is there any way to back up parts of each of these servers onto one
tape? For example, I'd like to back up user directories off all 3 machines,
plus database directories on the 2 Linux boxes, etc. Is this possible with
shell scripting or even backup software such as BRU?
Thanks for any information.
Mike
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From: Unclebob <unclebob@this-ain't-it.net>
Subject: Re: Netscape 4.51 question
Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 13:21:18 +0000
Thomas Zajic wrote:
> On Wed, 05 May 1999 16:26:47 +0000, Unclebob wrote:
> > [ ... ]
> > The best newsgroup reader, IMO, is Forte Inc's Agent.
> > hope they port it to Linux, I would buy it in a heartbeat.
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... ;-)
> Thomas
> =--- Thomas Zajic aka ZlatkO ThE GoDFatheR, Vienna/Austria
> =-- "It is not easy to cut through a human head with a hacksaw."
> =-- Posted with Free Agent 1.11/32 running on Linux 2.0.36/Wine-990226 --=
> =--- Spam-proof e-mail: thomas(DOT)zajic(AT)teleweb(DOT)at ---=
Thanks Thomas;
I tried wine with my agent and even quicken and went back to water.;)
It had the hardest time finding my ini's. Forte will probably get
around to it if they see the demand.
--
ub
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