Linux-Misc Digest #83, Volume #26 Thu, 19 Oct 00 18:13:03 EDT
Contents:
56k modem works *only at 14.4*-> IRQ 0? (Jonathan C Busey)
Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux? (Grega Bremec)
Re: startx crashes ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux? (Brian Langenberger)
Re: HACKED ? All logins fail (Grega Bremec)
Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux? ("Matt O'Toole")
Re: x-win32 (NF Stevens)
Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux? (Brian Moore)
Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux? (Robert Heller)
Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux? (Robert Heller)
Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux? (Garry Knight)
Re: What is a good graphical mail client? (Larry Ebbitt)
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From: Jonathan C Busey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: 56k modem works *only at 14.4*-> IRQ 0?
Date: 19 Oct 2000 16:07:50 -0400
This isn't a typical modem question about getting things to work or
connecting for the first time. The modem has always worked at 56k in
my old board and has now decided to slow down.
Yes, it is a jumpered hard modem, uart 16550A, baud base 115200, as
always. It is an isa aopen in an abit kt7, which has 1 isa, 6 pci,
and 1 agp slot. I posted this message under the abit mainboard site
about 8 days ago and still haven't gotten a response.
lspci -v yields:
00:07.0 ISA bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C686 [Apollo Super]
(rev 22)
Subsystem: VIA Technologies, Inc.: Unknown device 0000
Flags: bus master, stepping, medium devsel, latency 0
for the isa bridge
and setserial -ga /dev/ttyS3 (that's where the modem is)
/dev/ttyS3, Line 3, UART: 16550A, Port: 0x02e8, IRQ: 0
Baud_base: 115200, close_delay: 50, divisor: 0
closing_wait: 3000
Flags: spd_normal skip_test auto_irq
I can control the modem irq in the bios, but it *only works* when it's
set to 0- and no, no amount of playing with the bios' pnp defaults and
os settings helps.
IRQ 10 is the agp card, 15 is my scsi card, 5 is the sound device.
Here's my /proc/interrups:
CPU0
0: 2393921 XT-PIC timer
1: 8812 XT-PIC keyboard
2: 0 XT-PIC cascade
5: 25717 XT-PIC es1371
8: 1 XT-PIC rtc
12: 22236 XT-PIC PS/2 Mouse
13: 1 XT-PIC fpu
15: 20536 XT-PIC aic7xxx
NMI: 0
The basic problem is that this exact modem was downloading at 10k/sec
in my old dell workstation (sold, can no longer test) and now runs
only at 14.4, and the baud is *not set* to 57,600.
I've read all serial, pnp, and modem howtos, combed through dejanews,
the debian mailing lists, and all linux guides, but none mention this
problem.
Could it be a wrong module or an interrupt problem? What can slow a
modem down? Anyone ever been faced with this before?
I'm at my wits' end.
Any ideas will be eagerly read and immediately tested.
Thanks a mil,
Jon
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Grega Bremec)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 20:25:39 GMT
...and [EMAIL PROTECTED] used the keyboard:
>On Thu, 19 Oct 2000 19:25:05 GMT, Haoyu Meng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>U need to read a whole book to understand how to use Latex. I am in the business
>>of writing books using computers. I don't want to have to learn programming to
>>do that.
>
> You have an exceedingly unprofessional attitude regarding your tools.
Just thought I'd mention it - you forgot to tell him he could use LyX
instead, if he insisted on being unprofessional. :-)
Cheers,
--
Grega Bremec
grega.bremec-at-gbsoft.org
http://www.gbsoft.org/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: startx crashes
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 20:31:02 GMT
In <39ee6a7e$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 10/19/00
at 01:34 PM, "Michael Westerman"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>>
>> Sometimes it seems related to the permissions on the files but
>> I'm not sure of that.
>prove it does by loging in as root and trying it.
Ok, I haven't done absolutely _systematic_ tests but with one
file created while under 'davisf' (myself), there are still
crashes but less often. It seems kde won't crash if I move it
from a folder on the Desktop to the Desktop but if I move it from
the Desktop to a folder, it crashes. With other files (created
under 'root'), I pretty much get a crash if I move them. (I
haven't tested moving from folder to folder.)
So,
(a) I infer from your question that permissions _could_ make a
difference?
(b) Anyway, I would like to fix this problem in order to know
what the mechanisms are.
(c) Also, how easy/possible is it to set up another account for
myself without having to do all the configuration (desktop
background, etc.) by hand? Is this done in a skel file? somehow
else?
F.
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Felmon John Davis
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Union College / Schenectady, NY
os/2 - ma kauft koi katz em sack
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From: Brian Langenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?
Date: 19 Oct 2000 20:35:27 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Haoyu Meng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: U need to read a whole book to understand how to use Latex. I am in
: the business of writing books using computers. I don't want to have
: to learn programming to do that.
A whole book...oh the horror. But really, just about everything
you'll need is explained in:
http://ctan.tug.org/tex-archive/info/lshort/english/lshort.pdf
It really isn't all that hard and certainly doesn't require
any programming expertise (unless you want to).
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Grega Bremec)
Subject: Re: HACKED ? All logins fail
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 20:43:01 GMT
...and jdewitt used the keyboard:
>login: root
>Password: *********
>Login incorrect
>
>Seems that after Friday the 13th nobody can login to the machine. Every
>user on the system gets the same message (Login incorrect), even root at the
>secure tty. I can get a bash# prompt in
>single user mode to make changes, but I don't know what to change, everthing
>I have checked seems fine. Resetting the passwords using passwd or adding a
>new user in the root group doesn't work. I have checked /etc/pam.d/login
>against a working machine with the same version and they are identical.
>/etc/passwd and /etc/shadow contain the proper entries, and the accounts do
>not appear to be expired. How can I fix this?
Do a MD5 sum check against verifiably clean binaries of login, init,
ps, vi, etc. and see if any of them had been tampered with. I suspect
that's the case since you say you removed all passwords and login
still doesn't work - I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out somebody
now has all of the passwords you tried (check with "netstat -atuwp" or
"lsof -i", look for login). Quite commonly crackers replace login and
friends with hacked versions that send all of the attempted passwords
to some host they have control over and records them thus putting them
at their disposal.
Hopefully, this hasn't happened though.
Cheers,
--
Grega Bremec
grega.bremec-at-gbsoft.org
http://www.gbsoft.org/
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Reply-To: "Matt O'Toole" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "Matt O'Toole" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 14:00:36 -0700
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Thu, 19 Oct 2000 19:25:05 GMT, Haoyu Meng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >U need to read a whole book to understand how to use Latex. I am in the
business
> >of writing books using computers. I don't want to have to learn
programming to
> >do that.
>
> You have an exceedingly unprofessional attitude regarding your tools.
I agree. Wait until you have to manually chop an extra blank line out of
each page of 1000 pages, or manually renumber 1000 pages worth of headings,
etc. This is the kind of crap that drives people nuts with Word. It's a
turbocharged time waster. If you really need to format your documents,
you're far better off learning to use "real" tools like LaTeX, or even
Framemaker, which, BTW, is the industry standard for professional writers
(most of whom are employed as technical writers). If you don't want to
bother with that, then for heaven's sake stick with *.txt files, so the
person in charge of formatting can manage the content without wasting hours
or days udoing Word turds.
For shorter documents like magazine or journal articles, it doesn't take as
long to undo the garbage. So most editors and designers don't care as much,
if the writer is comfortable using Word (for the spell checker, dictionary,
etc.)
Matt O.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (NF Stevens)
Subject: Re: x-win32
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 21:20:14 GMT
"greg paynter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>hello I am having problems getting X-win32 to open an X server on a Win 2000
>workstation i am running redhat 6.2 added in /etc/inetd.conf
>
>exec stream tcp nowait root /usr/sbin/tcpd in.rexecd
>
>to allow remote execution but i just get a permission denied popup.
>
>any ideas ???
Try looking in /var/log/messages to see if anything is being logged.
Norman
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian Moore)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?
Date: 19 Oct 2000 17:31:49 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <8sllql$jo2$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Hartmann Schaffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <8sk66f$qfb$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>Sean Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>jazz ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>> ...
>>: Unfortunately the world uses Word, and since I coauthor papers, I have to
>>: use it or something compatible.
>>
>>: Thanks
>>: Jim
>>
>>
>>Which journal doesn't accept Latex files then?
>
>apparently his coauthors use word
>
>hs
There are plenty of journals that don't accept LaTeX. I have done
two articles for the Journal of Chemical Education and they both
had to be done in Word. (they may have changed their policy by
now). Just recently the Am. Chem. Soc. journals started accepting
LaTeX--I think this is a change (for most journals) just in the
last few years.
On the other hands, there are other journals--like most of the
Am. Physical Society ones, that essentially take only LaTeX.
(I'm not sure if they'd *not* take Word, but all their mechanism
for electronic submission is built around revtex)
--
Brian G. Moore, School of Science, Penn State Erie--The Behrend College
[EMAIL PROTECTED] , (814)-898-6334
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From: Robert Heller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 21:43:13 -0000
Harry Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
In a message on Thu, 19 Oct 2000 16:20:38 +0100, wrote :
HL> Grant Edwards wrote:
HL> >
HL> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Harry Lewis wrote:
HL> >
HL> > >Maybe it's the way I use Word (oops - did I just admit to using Word?),
HL> > >as I start with an outline, then proceed in "document view" without any
HL> > >formatting (other than the auto formats provided by Word (oops - did I
HL> > >just admit to using Word "features"?)), then apply the formatting when I
HL> > >actually need the text in output, but - to me - Word is very good at
HL> > >separating content from its ultimate rendition (oops - did I just admit
HL> > >to liking Word).
HL> >
HL> > I've never seen anybody else use Word like that.
HL> >
HL> > All the people I've worked with spend 90% of their time from
HL> > the very beginning futzing with fonts and margins and
HL> > backgrounds and colors and whatnot rather than actually
HL> > producing content. It would almost be excusable if they ended
HL> > up with something nice looking but vacuous. But the don't.
HL> > They end up with something ugly and vacuous.
HL> >
HL> > With LaTeX, at least the output looks nice, even if it's drivel.
HL>
HL> Well, part of my job is professional writing, so I guess that's the
HL> primary driver not only for the tools I choose but also for how I use
HL> them. That being said, I use Word just for editing - for final layout,
HL> everything goes into PageMaker (on the Mac), which is much more suited
HL> to DTP than Word.
This sounds like you are actually using Word as an overweight *text
editor* and not really doing 'Word Processing' (which has come to mean
to the common user of Word to be what Grant Edwards described above --
having way too much fun 'futzing with fonts and margins and backgrounds
and colors and whatnot').
I guess, most (all?) of the LaTeX users use a text editor (often some
flavor of Emacs) and then *separately* running the *text* file through a
second tool (LaTeX) -- it *sounds* like you are doing much the same.
Do a (string-replace "Word" "Emacs") and (string-replace
"PageMaker" "LaTeX") and you are working just like us LaTeX'ers!
HL>
HL> Harry
HL>
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Robert Heller ||InterNet: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://vis-www.cs.umass.edu/~heller || [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.deepsoft.com /\FidoNet: 1:321/153
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From: Robert Heller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 21:43:13 -0000
Harry Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
In a message on Thu, 19 Oct 2000 15:01:20 +0100, wrote :
HL> > >I agree with what you say, but my point is that, these days, using a
HL> > >computer for word processing is all about content management. A good
HL> > >word processor will provide you with better facilities for this than a
HL> > >program that evolved from a typesetting tool.
HL> >
HL> > Actually, that sounds backwards. Better content management should
HL> > be achieved by tools that segregate content from formatting. Tools
HL> > like Latex do this more cleanly and produce more easily parsable
HL> > output.
HL>
HL> Maybe it's the way I use Word (oops - did I just admit to using Word?),
HL> as I start with an outline, then proceed in "document view" without any
HL> formatting (other than the auto formats provided by Word (oops - did I
HL> just admit to using Word "features"?)), then apply the formatting when I
HL> actually need the text in output, but - to me - Word is very good at
HL> separating content from its ultimate rendition (oops - did I just admit
HL> to liking Word).
HL>
HL> Well, it looks like I've just condemned myself to a barrage of abuse!
No, but try this on for size:
Here is what *I* do:
For my reference manuals, I start out with a file something like this:
==============Begin RPG_UserManual.tex========================
%*
%* ------------------------------------------------------------------
%* Role PlayingDB V2.0 by Deepwoods Software
%* ------------------------------------------------------------------
%* RPG_UserManual.tex - RPG V2.0 user manual
%* Created by Robert Heller on Wed Dec 30 11:19:18 1998
%* ------------------------------------------------------------------
%* Modification History:
%* $Log: RPG_UserManual.tex,v $
%* Revision 1.6 2000/10/03 16:25:34 heller
%* Update for commercial version.
%*
%* Revision 1.5 2000/04/20 23:02:37 heller
%* Added PS font hack.
%*
%* Revision 1.4 1999/07/14 22:17:34 heller
%* Eddy's Edits.
%*
%* Revision 1.3 1999/01/03 05:56:30 heller
%* Put Biblio before index
%* Add in additional Appendixes
%*
%* Revision 1.2 1999/01/02 20:42:05 heller
%* Add in Bibliography hacks
%*
%* Revision 1.1 1999/01/02 02:10:28 heller
%* Initial revision
%*
%* ------------------------------------------------------------------
%* Contents:
%* ------------------------------------------------------------------
%*
%* Role Playing DB -- A database package that creates and maintains
%* a database of RPG characters, monsters, treasures,
%* spells, and playing environments.
%*
%* Copyright (C) 1995,1998 Robert Heller D/B/A Deepwoods Software
%* 51 Locke Hill Road
%* Wendell, MA 01379-9728
%*
%* This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify
%* it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
%* the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the License, or
%* (at your option) any later version.
%*
%* This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
%* but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
%* MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the
%* GNU General Public License for more details.
%*
%* You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
%* along with this program; if not, write to the Free Software
%* Foundation, Inc., 675 Mass Ave, Cambridge, MA 02139, USA.
%*
%*
%*
\documentclass[12pt,notitlepage,twoside]{book}
\usepackage{makeidx}
\usepackage{MyTitlepage}
\pagestyle{headings}
\usepackage{epsfig}
\usepackage{times}
\makeindex
\begin{document}
\newcommand{\thesystem}{{\em Role Playing DataBase System}}
\newcommand{\bold}[1]{{\bf #1}}
\newcommand{\italic}[1]{{\it #1}}
\typeout{$Id: RPG_UserManual.tex,v 1.6 2000/10/03 16:25:34 heller Exp $}
\newcommand{\RPGSubTitle}{User Manual}
\include{titlepage}
\pagenumbering{roman}
\tableofcontents
\listoffigures
\listoftables
\cleardoublepage
\include{Preface}
\pagenumbering{arabic}
\include{IntroUserManual}
\include{Common}
\include{Main}
\include{Character}
\include{Monster}
\include{Spell}
\include{Dressing}
\include{TrickTrap}
\include{Treasure}
\include{Map}
\include{Space}
\appendix
\include{DataFormats}
\include{License}
%\include{Registration}
%\include{RegForm}
\cleardoublepage
\addcontentsline{toc}{chapter}{Bibliography}
\bibliography{../RPG}
\bibliographystyle{plain}
\cleardoublepage
\addcontentsline{toc}{chapter}{Index}
\printindex
\end{document}
===============End RPG_UserManual.tex====================
Some notes:
LaTeX will generate the table of contents (and list of tables
and figures), more or less automatically (\tableofcontents,
\listoffigures, \listoftables, plus all of the sectioning commands
(\part, \chapter, \section, etc.) generate \addcontentsline calls).
Each chapter is a separate file which is included with the \include
command. I effectively start out with an outline of chapters. The
makeidx package and the \makeindex commands set things up for the
Index. In my document I have \index{} commands next to things to
index. I run the file these commands generate through the makeindex
program (comes with LaTeX) to generate the file pulled in by
\printindex for the index, I use \cite commands to refer to my
bibliographic database file and use bibtex to generate the
bibliography.
All the relevant files live in an RCS library, so I can keep track of
modifications and revisions.
When I want to render it, I type 'make' (I use a Makefile) -- very
clearly content and 'ultimate rendition' are quite separate.
HL>
HL> Harry
HL>
--
\/
Robert Heller ||InterNet: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://vis-www.cs.umass.edu/~heller || [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.deepsoft.com /\FidoNet: 1:321/153
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From: Garry Knight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 18:49:07 +0100
On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, Jan Schaumann wrote:
>Garry Knight wrote:
>>Most of the word processors I've come across can import and export RTF
>>pretty well.
>
>The most portable document format is PDF (Portable Document FOrmat - D'uh). RTF
>is not half as portable.
Great. Let's see you "port" a PDF document into Word 97.
--
Garry Knight
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 18:09:12 -0400
From: Larry Ebbitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.debian.user
Subject: Re: What is a good graphical mail client?
John Travis wrote:
>
> Kmail for kde2 is probably the nicest graphical client I have found. It should
> do everything you are looking for quite nicely.
>
Kmail is fine, except that I have found no way to get it to format incoming
messages to a reasonable width. This may be my ignorance (likely.) If so,
I'd just love to hear a suggestion.
--
Larry Ebbitt - Linux + OS/2 - Atlanta
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