Linux-Misc Digest #85, Volume #20 Thu, 6 May 99 15:13:11 EDT
Contents:
Re: Benchmark software for Linux? (Erik Olson)
a) Win98 b) SYS (Matthew Slowe)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522) (Robert
Krawitz)
Re: Printer setup problem (Unclebob)
vt100 telnet program ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: a) Win98 b) SYS ("David Z. Maze")
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (Mike Coffin)
Re: How can X be so slow? (William Cherry)
Re: getch /getchar / getc (Matthias Warkus)
Re: GLIB 1.2.1 install ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Stepping thru assembler codes in GDB (How?) (Matthias Warkus)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Boycott Intel on your own webpage (brian moore)
Re: The Best Linux distribution? (was Re: FreeBSD vs. Linux) (Ken Deboy)
Linux Perl/CGI problem (Chris)
*Nix software packages ("Gary S. Mackay")
Re: How do to capture Linux screen? ("S. G. Student")
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From: Erik Olson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Benchmark software for Linux?
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.hardware
Date: 06 May 1999 16:59:23 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Marc Mutz wrote:
> Mohd-Hanafiah Abdullah wrote:
>> Is there a benchmark software to test Linux systems? Thanks for any tip.
>> Napi
> cat /proc/cpuinfo (see bogomips)
> bonnie (HD benching)
> rc5des from http://www.distributed.net/ (cracking DES & rc5-keys)
> compile kernel
> render a picture w/ povray
> ...
x11perf is a great benchmark for measuring X-Window performance, also
every (or most?) Linux distro's ship with x11perf. Do a "man" on x11perf.
The X11 performance of a Linux desktop workstation is likely the most
important benchmark for that particular application since everything is
graphical these days. 2D video acceleration plays a big role here
as you might of imagined, a fast 2D video chip will typically be 30 times
faster than a pure frame buffer solution.
To get the Xmarks number I run: (be warned this takes about two hours)
x11perf -v1.3 -rop GXcopy GXxor -repeat 2 -all > results_file.txt
Xmark results_file.txt
Has anyone seen a web page that contains x11perf and Xmark data comparisons
of different machines/video cards/servers? The www.xig.com (Accelerated X
company) has some nice benchmarks but they tend to slam the XFree86 server
on every chance they get and they have a very limited amount of comparison
data.
erik olson
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From: Matthew Slowe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: a) Win98 b) SYS
Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 18:06:25 +0100
Two completely separate enquiry's:
a)
Is there a Linux (RH5.2) client for, say, Win95 or 98?
Ie One which logs into Linux (like Novell or NT), giving the user access
to his/her /home/user directory as a drive mapping
b)
What is the equivalent of the DOS 'SYS' command in Linux?
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From: Robert Krawitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522)
Date: 06 May 1999 10:53:30 -0400
Mike Coffin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco Anglesio) writes:
> > What incentive is there for private initiatives to promote literacy on a
> > large enough scale?
>
> Huge. Most *parents* want their children to be literate. They go to
> tremendous lengths to educate children and young adults. Millions
> pay taxes and then pay tuition in addition to get a slightly better
> result than public schools.
In the US (at least among people who can afford it), yes. In many
countries, that's not so. In some cultures, education for girls is
frowned upon; in others, the income from working children is perceived
as more important than education for the same children (and from a
survival standpoint, that may well be true).
It would be interesting to see if there is any example of universal,
mandatory education provided by the private sector that has
succeeded. Proponents of privatizing education based on private
schools (supposedly) doing better than public schools miss a number of
important advantages that private schools have: they can select their
students, kick out anyone they don't like, and charge whatever the
market will bear (I have relatives whose parents are paying on the
order of $10,000/yr. -- for kindergarten and 2nd grade). Public
schools can't do any of those things, and if education is to be truly
universal, it must be possible for all children to receive it, not
just those who are bright and whose parents can afford to pay.
Private schools can do other things that public schools are currently
restricted from doing, such as paying teachers well. It's hard to
attract dedicated teachers when the pay is so poor.
> Second, if give credit to governments for all the good they have
> done---and they have done considerable good---then you have to balance
> the books. How much harm have they done? I won't go into a litany of
> the atrocities that even relatively enlightened governments have
> committed in this century: I'm sure you could list them as well as I.
So stipulated.
> > I'll borrow a metaphor from Bruce Schneier. If you went to the
> > doctor, and he, instead of using a well-established and effective
> > treatment, proposed to treat you with taco powder, would you be too keen
> > on the possibility that yes, taco powder might work too?
>
> It's hardly the same. Private initiatives aren't a strange and
> unknown thing that has never been tried. There are millions of
> examples of where they work very well. Pointing out that they might
> work in places where they haven't been tried isn't a big stretch, it's
> a minor extrapolation.
And there are some circumstances under which they work well, and some
under which they don't. It's not very useful (in my book, at any
rate) to talk about "government" vs. "private initiatives" without
talking about the details of the individual program. Private
initiatives are too broad a class of actions to be lumped together
like that.
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"Linux doesn't dictate how I work, I dictate how Linux works."
--Eric Crampton
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From: Unclebob <unclebob@this-ain't-it.net>
Subject: Re: Printer setup problem
Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 16:01:17 +0000
Theo van der Merwe wrote:
>How do I diagnose printer problems on a HP 1100 laserjet? The command lpr
>gives lp: not found and something like cat filename.txt >/dev/lp1 does
>nothing. I am using Redhat 5.2, but the setup may not be correct.
> Thanks in advance for your help,
> Theo van der Merwe ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Hi;
When ever I run lpr, I have to use this format
lpr -PHP filename. HP is the name I gave my printer
in printtool and not the /dev/lp0 as I assumed it would be.
You do have your printer on lp1? Not lp0?
--
ub
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linux box connected to an idiot.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: vt100 telnet program
Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 15:51:36 GMT
Looking for a really small vt100/vt220 telnet program to add to a one-floppy
distribution for special purpose. Regular telnet doesn't display incoming text
properly, and won't send the F4 key properly for my purpose.
Any ideas? Email replies to [EMAIL PROTECTED] as well as posting would be greatly
appreciated.
TIA,
rick
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From: "David Z. Maze" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: a) Win98 b) SYS
Date: 06 May 1999 13:54:40 -0400
Matthew Slowe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
MS> What is the equivalent of the DOS 'SYS' command in Linux?
What are you actually trying to do? If you're trying to make a
bootable floppy, the standard way to do it is with the 'dd' command.
Also see section 6 of the Bootdisk-HOWTO, which talks about the
process of actually assembling a boot disk on a floppy.
MS> To Reply by email, click on the mailto link below...
Umm. To recieve replies by email, please post with a valid return
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From: Mike Coffin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism
Date: 06 May 1999 10:45:16 -0700
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco Anglesio) writes:
> On 06 May 1999 07:44:46 -0700, Mike Coffin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >If ESR is a typical libertarian, he insists that everyone should be
> >left alone unless they try to bludgen someone else into doing
> >something they don't want to do. His philosophy is the precise
> >opposite of "ethics from the barrel of a gun".
>
> What about freedom to act (as opposed to freedom from action)? I'm curious
> about the libertarian stance on that.
Libertarians believe that one's right to swing a fist stops at the
next guy's nose. They believe you can act however you like as long as
you don't whack someone else in the process.
-mike
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From: William Cherry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How can X be so slow?
Date: 06 May 1999 12:52:15 -0500
"Mattias Dahlberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> >2) Less mature X server.
>
> Well, that of course could be it. Anyone else experiencing slow i740
> performance?
>
Well, I had an i740 based video board before it was supported
in XFree86, so I run Acccelerated-X from Xi Graphics (v 4.1;
I haven't upgraded to v. 5 yet). It goes very fast, but then
I also have a 400MHZ machine with 512MB of ram.
--William Cherry
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.programmer
Subject: Re: getch /getchar / getc
Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 15:19:18 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Thu, 6 May 1999 12:38:59 +0200...
..and news <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Does N E 1 know how to get a singel char input from keyboard
> using generic C ( without using ncurses.h or vga.h )
Not possible. You need to switch the terminal into raw mode, fetch a
character, and switch it back into cooked mode.
Normally, one would use ncurses for this, but if you're masochistic,
you can do it with termios (under Linux, that is -- I don't know about
other Unices).
X-Post and Flup set.
mawa
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: GLIB 1.2.1 install
Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 16:57:45 GMT
I too installed glib 1.2.2 correctly. But when I try to configure gtk+ 1.2.2,
it says that I have the wrong version of glib.
But it IS the right version! What's wrong? Please help - I'm new to unix/linux
et al.
Kanlaya
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Brian Donovan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I've been trying to install glib 1.2.1 and gtk+ 1.2.1 so that I can learn
> to program gtk based apps. I have run the configure, make, and make install
> (as root) for glib. This reports that glib as been install. When I run the
> gtk configure script it runs fine up until it checks the version of glib.
> glib-config reports 1.2.1 but the gtk configure script finds 1.2.0. It
> suggests that I delete the 1.2.0 files. Can I do this without breaking and
> dependencies. If so which files should I be removing.
>
> Thanx
> Donovan
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.c,comp.unix.programmer
Subject: Re: Stepping thru assembler codes in GDB (How?)
Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 15:23:10 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the 6 May 1999 18:02:13 +0800...
..and Mohd-Hanafiah Abdullah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> How do I step through each of the assembler codes (after using disass) in
> GDB? Thanks.
stepi (hit me if I'm wrong)
mawa
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism
Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 14:54:30 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Wed, 05 May 1999 14:53:47 -0700...
..and Andrew Carol <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Matthias Warkus
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Human greed will also encourage smart people to get together, package
> > free software, add some value, sell it and make tons of money. Then
> > they will find out that if they added feature XYZ people would give
> > them even more money. *Then*, they'll find out they need to release
> > the source for that feature if they want to add it. So they release
> > the source, since they can still make lots of money on the stuff, and
> > writing a proprietary clone would be troublesome.
>
> I won't disagree. I think free software is a wonderful thing. I love
> it. I just don't think it is the answer to everything, nor do I think
> it will ever displace proprietary software in a general sense.
>
> Slow and steady development favors free software (OS's, tools, servers,
> etc). Rapid response to the market favors proprietary software
> (Consumer applications, games, new markets, etc).
You need to read more history. Do you know how long it took to develop
Windows 95 or even patch the minor bits of better functionality and
more annoyances in that made Windows 98?
The development of Gnome took only 18 months. 'Nuff said.
> There are _some_
> things that a proprietary company can do faster and better. If they
> are wrong, they will go out of business! (It's a self correcting
> thing).
>
> > Where'd you get the notion from that all free software is just cloned
> > proprietary software, anyway?
>
> Where did you get the notion that all proprietary software is too
> expensive and will fade away?
Because it is. If there is a comparable, free alternative, anything
that costs is too expensive. That's what the free market is about, no?
> This situation is very similar to the explaination of why Capitalism
> was doomed to fail as society advanced into the more mature Communism
> model. Same forces, same result.
>
> The market economy will take the best of every model. Some things
> people will expect free, others people will be willing to pay to get
> _today_, rather than waiting a year to get a free version.
You need to get rid of the illusion that development of proprietary
software is faster than development of free software.
mawa
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Boycott Intel on your own webpage
Date: 6 May 1999 17:56:39 GMT
On 6 May 1999 13:39:22 -0500,
Andrew Comech <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Oops.
> Anyways, IP addresses are dynamically assigned when you dial up from home,
> so who cares (although a netmask 255.0.0.0 would be good).
For some. I dial up from home and have a static IP (and have had one
for years). Actually, it's a /28 network at the moment.
> Cookies themselves do not mean that much: this is far from a 100%
> identification, especially if you fake your email address (and disable finger).
> At the same time, PSN is close to 100% in more than 50% cases (all intel
> users who did not know how to disable PSN).
Neither is 100% identification. (Think shared machines: quite common at
many businesses.)
> Let me also answer other raised issues:
>
> This idea "stick to Linux and you are free from PSN identification" is...
> stupid. Linux is not _that_ popular so far, and we could face the mentioned
> problem that some internet services are just not accessible from machines
> with disabled PSN. They would not care much about losing Linux users as a
> whole, as do not care the manufactures of winmodems.
If they don't want my business, it's nice of them to make it inaccesible
to me so I know not to waste my time trying to give them money. There
are plenty of businesses that are glad to have my money.
> Also, there are more and more applications for Linux; just you wait for
> an IE (or is it there already?) and others... Or are you going to
> answer me that I (and everybody else) should carve out PSN lines from the
> source code?.. Again, there are "non-free" applications, when the source code
> is not available, and there could be more of those...
> Also, there are all those java things and plug-ins, and I wonder whether one
> may use them to turn the PSN on. So far, Linux is probably safe; next year it
> will not be.
Wanna bet?
> That is, this would be jungles of methods and and contra-methods which enable
> or disable PSN, where only brave [hackers] are able to overcome PSN in their
> computers. Do we want to face all that in a year or two, or do we just keep the
> voice up trying to avoid PSNs completely?
I think your time would be better spent on dealing with real privacy
issues, such as WebTV's reporting of TV viewing habits and what
Microsoft (owners of WebTV, after all) will do if they manage to get
WinCE into cable boxes.
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Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | a cockroach, except that the cockroach
Usenet Vandal | is higher up on the evolutionary chain."
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Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 08:54:13 -0700
From: Ken Deboy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: The Best Linux distribution? (was Re: FreeBSD vs. Linux)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Ken Deboy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Wah wah wah... and FreeBSD doesn't install everything I want by
> > default either... and when I do get it to install what I want, it
> > insists on doing stupid things like installing
> "Stupid things"? Like installing software where it wants to be
OK, I agree that was a very poor choice of word... I should have
written "insists on doing things differently than Linux" which is
NOT to say that one way was better than the other. It was meant to
be sarcastic... well obiously people didn't take it that way. Except
for this snafu, I believe my points are valid. For the record, I use
and like very much both FreeBSD AND Linux.
-- snip --
Ken
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From: Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linux Perl/CGI problem
Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 18:24:39 GMT
I have a counter.cgi script that can be run from the cgi-bin directory.
This can be executed from
any browser. The chmod of counter.cgi is 777 the same as another script
I wrote called test.cgi
that was nothing more than this:
#!/usr/local/bin/perl
print�Content-type:text/html\n\n�;
print �Show me the monkey�;
I also did a command of : perl �c test.cgi
It came back with Syntax ok.
I could not access this test.cgi file. Although I can access the
counter.cgi and the files have the
same chmod of 777.
I don�t understand why I can run the counter.cgi but not the test.cgi.
Is there more to the permissions than just the chmod?
Regards,
Christopher Nurick
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Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 13:27:01 -0400
From: "Gary S. Mackay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: *Nix software packages
Where can I find software for *Nix? Prefereably, of coarse, Linux? I
know this sounds too broad, but I'm very interested in offering Linux
servers to my clients, but I need to offer them software suggestions as
well. I know about Applix, StarOffice, etc. for normal word processing,
spreadsheets, etc. What I'm looking for are accounting programs,
programs to manage club memberships and dues, stuff like that. Where
should I start?
- Gary
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From: "S. G. Student" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How do to capture Linux screen?
Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 11:00:57 -0700
Khajohsak wrote:
>
> How to capture Linux screen both command line and X-windows. Please
> help.
>
> Thank.
> John
In X-windows I use XV
the "script" utility works great for terminals.
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