Linux-Misc Digest #98, Volume #20 Fri, 7 May 99 15:13:08 EDT
Contents:
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522) (jik-)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522) (jik-)
Re: Desktop size, XFree, KDE (jik-)
Re: Testing my CPU! (Mircea)
Re: Compiler for Clustering Computing (Shantanu Banerjee)
Re: Is Unix a single user operating system? (was: Wanted: Database/Contact mgr with
backend on Linux/FreeBSD, web frontend) (Paul Hughett)
mount failed: invalid argument (Douglas Van De Motter)
Re: Ejecting a CD (jik-)
PPP (Ryan Green)
Re: Is Unix a single user operating system? ("Rolf Marvin B�e Lindgren")
Re: a) Win98 b) SYS (Duncan Simpson)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (Peter Seebach)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (Andrew Carol)
How can X be so slow? ("Mattias Dahlberg")
Re: Is Unix a single user operating system? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: First step using 'cron' (Desmond Coughlan)
Re: Is Unix a single user operating system? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
NFS and can't register RPC (Przem Kowalczyk)
Re: Is Unix a single user operating system? (Jesus Monroy, Jr.)
Re: I am on a quest... (brian moore)
Re: mounting and unmounting cdrom (Damien Clark)
linux distro. review ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: How do to capture Linux screen? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Newbie problem modem is always busy (Bill Unruh)
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Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 04:36:12 -0700
From: jik- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522)
> More money is made through music than through books (counting both trashy
> novels and rap). More people are affected by music than by books. Old music
> is still relevant, old books are (mostly) not, and are certainly less
> enjoyable than old music.
I don't find that to be true at all. Most of the best books I have read
were written more then 100 years ago....and I have read far less of them
then new novels. Authors have to be pretty good to live for more then a
few years, and to span 100s is very rare,...so those that do are for the
most part very good.
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Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 04:44:57 -0700
From: jik- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522)
Marco Anglesio wrote:
>
> On Thu, 06 May 1999 14:46:17 -0700, jik- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Oh bull, that may be the case in technical documents and other such, but
> >books for the most part are written because the author wishes to express
> >something. Which, without literacy is something he would be unable to
> >do to such a wide audience.
>
> I think that you misspelled "printing". And "business".
I can't believe I just caught this.....not only are you twisting the
words I say to have the meaning you want them to,...but you are acutally
honestly puting new words into my mouth. I didn't misspell "printing,
or "business" because I never said either of those words in the entire
message, and certainly not in that quote. Were did you get that from?
I my past 2 posts and never saw either of those words.....I even did a
string search.
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Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 04:54:46 -0700
From: jik- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Desktop size, XFree, KDE
Matt O'Toole wrote:
>
> I want to know how to reaize my desktop. The default size seems to be
> 1024x768. If I run at a lower screen resolution, I get the usual panning
> screen, which I hate. How can I set both the desktop *and* screen to
> 800x600?
>
> Matt O.
You can do that and you can also change the resolution at runtime with
control-alt-+/-. This will not fix the virtual desktop problem (I hate
it too) but you will likely find a resolution which is the max available
and the virtual screen will go away. To actually fix the problem you
need to disable it in /etc/XF86Config.
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From: Mircea <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Testing my CPU!
Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 09:37:09 -0400
Run the rc5des client (from distributed.net ), it will bring your cpu
usage (with the appropriate settings) to 50%, and the rest is your
responsability.
MST
Ferdinand V. Mendoza wrote:
>
> HI all,
> I have a PII 400 stand alone PC and running Mandrake 5.3 on it.
> I wanted to put some load to my CPU close to 100% to test it's
> stability.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Shantanu Banerjee)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Compiler for Clustering Computing
Date: 7 May 1999 17:34:17 GMT
Khairul Azmi Abu Bakar ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: Hello!
: I'm looking for C/Fortran compiler for my to be 16 nodes of PC clustering
: system. Any suggestion which one should I try? Thanks in advance.
: Azmi
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Hughett)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Is Unix a single user operating system? (was: Wanted: Database/Contact
mgr with backend on Linux/FreeBSD, web frontend)
Date: 7 May 1999 13:36:46 GMT
Larry Blanchard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: Let's see. Because it only supports two *levels* of users, you claim it
: doesn't support multiple *users*. I seem to remember something about
: that type of argument from a long-ago logic class :-). What are the
: words for "it does not follow" in Latin?
Non sequitur. That's also the common English name for that sort of
(non-)argument.
Paul Hughett
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Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 21:37:03 +0800
From: Douglas Van De Motter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: mount failed: invalid argument
I'm getting this error message when trying to install via ftp from NT 4,
IIS 3 site. Everything seems to be fine until after the file systems are
formatted and the packages are just about to be installed, then I get a
dialog box with the subject error message. I've done this type of
install before and there were no problems, so I'm thinking it has
something to do with the linux box, but honestly I really have no clue.
btw, I already changed the linux file names so they can be recognized
linux box, as I had previously.
Any ideas?
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Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 04:51:08 -0700
From: jik- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Ejecting a CD
Vector wrote:
>
> Sorry for the lame question, but anybody know how to get a CD out of the
> CD-ROM drive? I've made sure I dismounted it and I've tried eject but I get
> "device or resource busy." I'm running KDE and there are two CD-ROM icons
> in the toolbar on the lower right but I can't get rid of them. Is that what
> is causing my drive to be busy? How do I tell which process(es) is/are
> keeping it from being ejected? Thanks,
>
> Jared
Sounds like you have 2 kcdplayer or whatever programs going. You need
to klcik on those cd icons and it should come up. Hit the eject button
or exit the program. Most CD player programs somehow grab the CDROM and
don't let you eject on your own.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ryan Green)
Subject: PPP
Date: 7 May 1999 14:06:46 GMT
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From: "Rolf Marvin B�e Lindgren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Is Unix a single user operating system?
Date: 07 May 1999 15:51:28 +0200
[ Jesus Monroy,
| Is Unix a single user operating system?
no, it's not.
my opinion is that its support for multiple users is a dirty hack.
--
Rolf Lindgren http://www.uio.no/~roffe/
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Duncan Simpson)
Subject: Re: a) Win98 b) SYS
Date: 7 May 1999 18:18:10 GMT
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Matthew Slowe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>Two completely separate enquiry's:
>a)
>Is there a Linux (RH5.2) client for, say, Win95 or 98?
Windows programs, no because unlike Windows does not work over a network.
VNC and or vmware will get you some of the way and should be investigated if
you need this,
>Ie One which logs into Linux (like Novell or NT), giving the user access
>to his/her /home/user directory as a drive mapping
Yes, a kernel with smbfs (as a module or compiled in) and a system with the smbmount
program can do this. It is the host level authentication problem as windows but
this is not fixable from Linux. You can use directories with no read or serach
permission except for the owner to stop people reaching other's stuff.
>b)
>What is the equivalent of the DOS 'SYS' command in Linux?
No used DOS recently enough to know what this does. However here is a quick
list of things
Command.com is replaced by any of your choice of shells. [ba]sh and [t]csh together
have almost 100% "market" share.
Files can be hidden by using names statring with a period. This is a convention
implemented by ls. RTFMP for detials. Only crackers use file names such as spaces,
shell code in sufficiently deep directories, etc. (Why is left as an exercise for the
reader).
Duncan (-:
--
Duncan (-:
"software industry, the: unique industry where selling substandard goods is
legal and you can charge extra for fixing the problems."
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Seebach)
Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 15:24:07 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Ed Avis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Right, so he doesn't think it's okay to spend money on defence, but
>he's quite happy with granting copyright monopolies to software
>companies. A strange position for somebody who claims that open
>source leads to better software - in this case, there is *state
>intervention* leading to *poorer software*! I would have thought that
>any anarchist who 'wants to live in a world where software doesn't
>suck' would be doubly opposed to such a system.
I don't think this is a fair summary; you're ignoring too many secondary
effects.
Copyright never prevents someone from getting something they already had.
The purpose of copyright is to encourage people who would otherwise make
nothing to make *something*, and make it available at least under some terms.
We have found that, in technical terms, there seem to be strong advantages
to software released under very open terms. This doesn't mean the state
is "intervening" to create "poorer software". We cannot accurately model
the effects of the enforcement of copyright law; there are too many variables,
and too many behaviors would change if copyright law changed.
Copyright tends to come in monopolies on given products; that's okay, they
can be replaced. Software patents are where the real risk comes.
I think this is a case where the "peaceful" revolution (leave the software
hoarders alone) will be plenty effective.
-s
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From: Andrew Carol <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism
Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 10:42:27 -0700
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Shaun Rowland
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is it yet a replacement
> for windows on the desktop? Perhaps not, but it is moving in that
> direction in some respects rather people want it to or not.
I doubt you'd find anybody who would object to finding a good Free
replacement for Windows.
The whole point I've been trying to make (not very well I suppose) is
that Free software can't win with slogans, ideology, and simply
attacking proprietary software. It must convert people by being able
to do what they want it to do, when they want it done.
Many people would rather attack Microsoft and blame them for the state
of the world than to actually make a better propsition to the users in
terms to _total_ value. (Cost, availability, features, documentation,
quality, performance, etc)
The sad thing is that *today*, the *average* consumer is _vastly_
better served by Microsoft than by any Free software. Of course it
would be wonderful if this changed over time for the better.
The other issue that I have is the unsupported belief that Free
Software is such a powerful concept that all or most proprietary
software is doomed to fail if only the people understood that fact. In
the end, they would blame some for misleading the people, or the people
themselves for being mislead.
What could the average consumer do today, even if they did
"understand"? There is no Free OS for them to run and few Free
applications for them to use. So their ignorance about Free software
can't be the issue. It simply isn't much in the consumer space.
Free software has proven itself in the developer/server space, it has
yet to do *anything* in the consumer space. I hope it can, but I
really have doubts that it will be the primary kind of software in the
consumer space at any point in the next 10 years.
---- Andrew
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From: "Mattias Dahlberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: How can X be so slow?
Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 18:01:12 +0200
At work X is nice and fast. ATI Rage Pro AGP using the Mach64 server on a
PII350.
At home X is painfully slow. Intel i740 AGP using the XFCom_i740 server on a
PII450.
I use the same resolution and color depth on both machines.
In other words, on a faster graphics card X is slower, and I mean *slower*.
Please explain to me why.
Matt
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Is Unix a single user operating system?
Date: 7 May 1999 17:34:24 GMT
In the sacred domain of comp.os.linux.misc didst Jesus Monroy, Jr.
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> eloquently scribe:
:>Yes, they can. As long as your machine is connected to the net it is
:>wide wide open.
:>
: 'wide open' in what sense. certainly no one can install
: programs on your machine without your knowledge.
What's to stop them uploading stuff, or even downloading files off your
machine? You have no security on Win95, remember.
:>Not if it is not connected to the net. It is not necessary to connect a
:>unix machine tothe net. It is not necessary not to connect a Win95
:>machine to the net. How about comparing equivalent situations.
:>
: Why should I compare? There is no value in this comparison.
: If a UNIX box is not connect to the internet,
: then it has no value to this discussion or my point.
Your point? You didn't say that the Win95 was connected to the internet, did
you? Only the unix box.
And as the Unix box can be configured easily to prevent outsiders from
logging in, or reading your harddrive, I think your point is extremely
flawed.
:>Anyone can walk up to a Unix machine as well and simply get on it.
:>
: No, not true. Unless someone has left a console open
Or the machine is configured to be passwordless.
(Which is easy enough to do)
: Second, since NOT every person uses a screen saver
: and definitely every person does not use a password
: on their win95 machine. So your statement is not
: remotely true or relevant.
But then, not every unix box (or account) has a password...
--
______________________________________________________________________________
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| Andrew Halliwell | "The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't |
| Finallist in:- | suck is probably the day they start making |
| Computer science | vacuum cleaners" - Ernst Jan Plugge |
==============================================================================
|GCv3.12 GCS>$ d-(dpu) s+/- a C++ US++ P L/L+ E-- W+ N++ o+ K PS+ w-- M+/++ |
|PS+++ PE- Y t+ 5++ X+/X++ R+ tv+ b+ DI+ D+ G e>e++ h/h+ !r!| Space for hire |
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From: Desmond Coughlan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: First step using 'cron'
Date: 07 May 1999 19:31:15 +0200
Surver Netzbetrieb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Has somebody a dokumentation for cron for beginners ? I have studied man
> cron and man crontab but I can't start !
I seem to remember something at http://ext2.org/ on cron. Other than
that, and to simplify, cron comes down to six fields:
MIN - HOURS - DAY - MONTH - DAY OF WEEK - COMMAND
So if you want to, for example, copy one file from one location to
another on a regular basis, say, at 06:00 every second day, you would
use:
0 6 */2 * * /bin/cp <source> <destination>
If you wanted it to take place every day, you'd remove the /2 in the
day field:
0 6 * * * /bin/cp <source> <destination>
You can take a look at my crontab if you'd like. Not the most
elegant, but for the moment, it serves my needs ... :-)
http://212.198.69.124/linux/cron
If you can get your hands on a copy of Matt Welsh's 'Running Linux'
(an investment, if you ask me) by O'Reilly, there's quite a good
section on crontabs.
Hope this helps ... :-)
--
Desmond Coughlan |Restez zen ... Linux peut le faire
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[www site under construction]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Is Unix a single user operating system?
Date: 7 May 1999 17:17:50 GMT
In the sacred domain of comp.os.linux.misc didst Jesus Monroy, Jr.
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> eloquently scribe:
:>Unix is very secure if not connected to a network. Win is very insecure
:>as soon as it is connected to a network. Terrible comparison you make!
:>
: Not true. Win95 machines are secure even when permenantly
: connect to the Internet. The primary reason is that
: they do not have a login shell. I believe my comparison
: to be valid.
And what about Back Orifice? With that, ANYONE can browse through your hard
drive and mess about, causing untold damage...
Yup... Win9x is secure all right. No login shell means they can't POSSIBLY
do anything bad to your computer...
</sarcasm>
:>their stuff segregated from their kids? Do you really think people habe
:>such a difficult time typing in a name and a password? This is not the
:>issue!
:>
: Yes it is an issue. I definitely is. Losing you pword involves
: administrative involvement.
Losing your pword means you must be a complete twonk.
You should ALWAYS choose something that is EASY for YOU to remember.
--
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|[EMAIL PROTECTED]| Windows95 (noun): 32 bit extensions and a |
| | graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit |
| Andrew Halliwell | operating system originally coded for a 4 bit |
| Finalist in:- |microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that|
| Computer Science | can't stand 1 bit of competition. |
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|GCv3.1 GCS/EL>$ d---(dpu) s+/- a- C++ U N++ o+ K- w-- M+/++ PS+++ PE- Y t+ |
|5++ X+/++ R+ tv+ b+ D G e>PhD h/h+ !r! !y-|I can't say F**K either now! :( |
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Przem Kowalczyk)
Subject: NFS and can't register RPC
Date: 7 May 1999 11:45:50 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
There are 2 computers with linux. Both have NFS server installed and both
use mounted with nfs directories from the other one. Everything was fine
till last Monday, when I was trying to mount remote directory (as I used
to):
> mount /mnt/grab
and I get:
RPC can't register (or similiar ;-) )
Portmap is running, rpc.mountd and rpc.nfsd too. NFS is compiled into
kernel. Second computer is configured in the same way (the same versions of
all programs (mount, protmap) and there is no problem with NFS.
Does anyone has any idea what could be wrong?
Przem
ps
please send response to my mailbox too.
--
If you believed they put a man on the moon, man on the moon.
If you believe there's nothing up my sleeve, then nothing is cool.
R.E.M
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jesus Monroy, Jr.)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Is Unix a single user operating system?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 14:47:53 GMT
On 7 May 1999 11:57:38 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Frank
Meisschaert) wrote:
>Jesus Monroy, Jr. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>: On Wed, 05 May 1999 00:17:11 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>....[SNIP crap]........
>
>question: Is unix a single user operating system?
>answer: No.
>
>Just as simple as that.
>
We agree. Thank You.
--
If you have to read the docs, it's broken.
I hate making mistakes.
You can check my spelling at: http://work.ucsd.edu:5141/cgi-bin/http_webster
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,alt.os.slackware.linux
Subject: Re: I am on a quest...
Date: 7 May 1999 18:17:04 GMT
On 7 May 1999 17:50:59 GMT,
Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 2 May 1999 17:47:29 GMT, brian moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Mutt threads and supports multiple accounts via IMAP or fetchmail.
>
> Not as well as expected. It is more of a hack that way than anything
> else. The accounts are not complete and seperate entities in and of
> themselves.
Depends on how you configure it.
Have fetchmail dump the mail from each account in a different mailbox,
and then have mutt change your settings as you switch mailboxes ('folder
hooks' are your friends).
--
Brian Moore | "The Zen nature of a spammer resembles
Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | a cockroach, except that the cockroach
Usenet Vandal | is higher up on the evolutionary chain."
Netscum, Bane of Elves. Peter Olson, Delphi Postmaster
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Subject: Re: mounting and unmounting cdrom
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Damien Clark)
Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 14:50:19 GMT
Thanks Daniel. Unfortunately, I actually tried this too. There wasnt an entry
in the mtab file, so i then added one in. then when i ran mount it displayed
all mounted filesystem, including the cdrom. but still when i went ot umount
it, it would come back with same error, device no mounted. i even tried the
/proc/mounts file, which is linked in some way to the /etc/mtab. however
attempts to manually change this file went begging. vi said was 0 bytes free
on filesystem (/proc), and wouldnt let me save it. i even tryed echo and
redirect to the file, but no success.
Thanks for your input Daniel.
if anyone else has any ideas, i'd appreciate it.
regards
damien.
In article <7gui1r$no3$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
says...
>
>Check the /etc/mtab file for anylines referencing the cdrom and delete them,
>then try remounting and unmounting
>
>Hope this helps,
>Daniel Thomas
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: linux distro. review
Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 17:40:15 GMT
I admin some systems and am currently using Caldera OpenLinux on many of the
servers. However, I would like to review the other distributions. Are there
any *good* reviews? I would like to see things such as how the installation
is performed, what kind of choices you have when initially packages, reviews
of management software, etc.
---
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: How do to capture Linux screen?
Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 22:08:42 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Khajohsak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>How to capture Linux screen both command line and X-windows. Please
>help.
>
>Thank.
>John
>
If you have the ImageMagick suite of programs, you can use
the import command. In an xterm window, type something like "import x.png"
(this assumes you want it captured in png format, you could use jpeg or
whatever), then click on the window you want saved. If it's a big window
and your machine is slow, it might take a moment or two for it do it's
job, with a couple of little beeps.
--
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("Moreover, I maintain that Microsoft should not be used." With apologies
to Cato the Elder)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh)
Subject: Re: Newbie problem modem is always busy
Date: 7 May 1999 18:43:09 GMT
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (AnOldCowboy)
writes:
>Hi,
>There is no LCK..modem file in /var/lock, but thanks for the
>suggestion. Could something be loading on boot that is
>capturing the modem?
Is there any LCK file there? If something is using any one of the serial
ports ttyS? cua? modem, it will report as you are noticing.
Do youhave any other program (eg mgetty, fax, ...) which is using the
modem?
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