Linux-Misc Digest #100, Volume #20 Fri, 7 May 99 17:13:08 EDT
Contents:
anarchist software market scenario (PILCH Hartmut)
Re: PI in C (Edward Vigmond)
Re: PI in C (Coy A Hile)
Re: The GNU Fragrance of Sharing vs. the Stench of Greed (was: GNU reeks of
Communism (really) (Chris Costello)
Re: Will appreciate any help with routing ("David K. Means")
xcdroast and "error messages" (Bill Unruh)
Re: Forum Package for Web Site (jik-)
running Linux on a 2 cpu system ("Ronald D. Haynes")
Caldera OpenLinux 1.3 (Mark G. Adams)
Re: *Nix software packages (Ryan Arneson)
Re: The GNU Fragrance of Sharing vs. the Stench of Greed (was: GNU reeks of
Communism (really) (Chris Costello)
RAID and MEDIUM ERRORS - HELP!!! (Dan Warren)
dual line modems ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
SiS graphics chips & XFree86 ("brian l")
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522) (Marco
Anglesio)
Re: Microsoft is the Communist!!! (Walter Tice USG)
Re: Is Unix a single user operating system? (Bill Gunshannon)
GGI and direct buffers (Bruno Barberi Gnecco)
Re: [solved] Re: how do i detect if x is running? ("David Z. Maze")
Windows '98 refund ?? (Amir Shamsuddin)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to ``GNU Communism'') ("Joshua E. Rodd")
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (PILCH Hartmut)
Subject: anarchist software market scenario
Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 14:34:30 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kenneth P. Turvey) writes:
>On Thu, 6 May 1999 19:29:00 GMT, PILCH Hartmut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>It would no longer cost $500 but $5, because there would be no piracy and
>>not even a retail store, just paying e-cash while downloading.
>Piracy has little or no effect on price despite what the MS propaganda
>says. The people that pay will, for the most part, pay if the price is
>doubled or halved. The people that don't, won't if the price is doubled
>or halved.
Exactly. But we are talking about a scenario in which software is distributed in
cpu-encrypted binary code which nobody can crack.
So again I found I have to rename the subject.
>Most people who pirate software would never buy it. They would simply
>make due with lower quality software.
Well, I guess many would buy it in the above scenario. Just as they buy
books and newspapers without a twinkle of the eye.
I have always wondered why nobody is making this scenario come true, and my
explanation is that copyright provides a viable alternative mechanism for
companies to make money. Of course a mechanism that is heavily biased to
monopolistic companies, because only they can build vendor locks and charge
$500 at those few places that can't evade enforcement.
Now, if copyright was abolished and this path blocked, why should the
pricing pattern be anything different from the book market? Even in that
market, because it is not 100% immune to illegal copying, those scientific
books that are sold only to a few unfortunate libraries (and copied there by
everybody else) have price tags of a several 100$.
- phm
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From: Edward Vigmond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: PI in C
Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 14:52:07 GMT
mark wrote:
>
> How do I get the value (approximation) of pi in a C program?
>
> Thanks.
It's defined in the math header as M_PI (see the manual entry for other
predefined numbers). So make sure you
#include <math.h>
and then you can use the predefined symbol M_PI to write things like
degrees = radians/M_PI*180;
--
Ed Vigmond
Institut de Genie Biomedical, Universite de Montreal
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Coy A Hile)
Subject: Re: PI in C
Date: 7 May 1999 12:14:47 -0400
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Edward Vigmond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>mark wrote:
>>
>> How do I get the value (approximation) of pi in a C program?
or you could do #include <math.h> and
#define PI=4*atan(1)
--
Coy Hile
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Theirs not to reason why; theirs but to do...."
Tennyson, "Charge of the Light Brigade"
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Costello)
Crossposted-To:
talk.politics.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.activism,alt.society.liberalism
Subject: Re: The GNU Fragrance of Sharing vs. the Stench of Greed (was: GNU reeks of
Communism (really)
Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 15:27:31 GMT
In article <7gjn1o$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Floyd Davidson wrote:
> Chris Costello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >In article <7gjac1$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Floyd Davidson wrote:
> >>
> >> I can't "prove" anything if you can't read and comprehend the two
> >> license agreements.
> >>
> >> The BSD license does not prevent a totally proprietary, closed,
> >> use of code. GPL does.
> >
> > That's the down side.
> >
> > Unfortunately, you missed a vital part. "must reproduce the
> >above copyright" and the "above copyright" happens to include
> >"Copyright (c) [year] [your name]"
>
> No I didn't miss that, but I'm not imparting any significance to
> it either, which you seem to be doing.
>
> If you write a proprietary program, using code covered under the
> BSD license, and dutifully arrange for somewhere in the program
> to have said copyright notice displayed, what significance does
> it have? Nobody knows what part of the program it applies to.
> Nobody knows what benefits or detriments the code has provided.
> Nobody knows what neato (or horrible) adjustments were made to
> the code to adapt it for use.
That's the point. You don't want people to know. You
honestly expect a program to say "Type `Diffs' to get a list of
changes we applied. Note: This is our proprietary, secret code.
Don't tell anyone!" do you?
>
> Nobody benefits from it except the greedy bastard that won't
> share the his program with anyone else!
Forcing people to share is just plain stupid. I'm sorry if
you don't realize that.
>
> So what benefit is there to anybody other than said GB. It
> doesn't help advance the state of the art, since nobody gets to
> see whatever advance was made. Nobody else can build on it and
> go the next step farther. It is a dead end for that code.
Interesting how, for most of the history of Unix, closed
software has still been advancing quite well.
>
> On the other hand, if the included code had been under the GPL,
> and the license agreement was kept, said GB becomes
> Mr. Wonderful and has the potential to advance the state of the
> art by helping everyone.
If you want to see it that way, go right ahead.
>
> The GPL succeeds where the BSD license fails. There is no
> instance where the BSD succeeds and the GPL fails, because
> by definition making Free code proprietary is a failure.
Only in the mind of someone who sees RMS as a god.
>
> Floyd
>
> --
> Floyd L. Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> North Slope images: <http://www.ptialaska.net/~floyd>
--
Chris Costello
Unprecedented performance: Nothing ever ran this slow before.
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From: "David K. Means" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Will appreciate any help with routing
Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 15:49:33 -0700
You don't say what the route tables look like on either the NT box or the
Linux
box. I think that you need to have a route in the Linux box pointing to
eth1 for
network 192.168.125, a route for the COX network pointing to eth0, and then
a default (gateway) route pointing to eth0. The output of `netstat -nr'
should
look more or less like this:
#netstat -nr
Kernel IP routing table
Destination Gateway Genmask Flags MSS Window
irtt Iface
216.x.y.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 1500 0
0 eth0
192.168.125.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 1500 0
0 eth1
127.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 U 3584
0 0 lo
0.0.0.0 216.x.y.1 0.0.0.0 UG 1500
0 0 eth0
In addition, you need to have a default route on the NT box pointing at
its
eth0.
NB: these should all be a "network" routes, not "host" routes, except for
the last
(gateway) route, or you will be adding lines to your route tables for quite
a while.
Wai Fai, Yee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
: Hello all,
:
: I have the following setup and something is missing here.
:
:
: Linux Box
: --------
: eth1 (192.168.125.3) | | eth0 ---> COX
: --------
: |
: |
: |
: | NT Box
: ----
: HUB | | --------- eth0 (192.168.125.2)
: ----
:
: I can ping 192.168.125.3 from the Linux box and get a respond. I
: can also ping 192.168.125.2 from the NT Box and get a respond. I can
: also
: ping the COX cable DNS servers and gateway from the Linux box and get a
: respond but I cannot ping the NT box from the Linux box or vice versa -
: it is as if 192.168.125.2 and 192.168.125.3 are not seeing each other. I
: have tried for 2 nights various route commands without success. What I
: am
: I doing wrong. Have also attempted www.searchlinux.com and dejanew
: without
: success. Any help is appreciated. Thanks.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: xcdroast and "error messages"
Date: 6 May 1999 22:56:38 GMT
I am geting some strange error messages using xcdroast .96e-1
on Linux Redhat 5.2 (latest apr 16 updates)
I have set it up suing the -nonroot option and when I run it as a user I
sometimes (but not always) get an error message saying that the SCSI
generic drivers are not installed. When I ignore the error, the program
works fine anyway.
the second "problem: is that when I start xcdroast, I get this massive
listing in the logs
May 6 15:48:51 gravity modprobe: can't locate module block-major-34
May 6 15:48:51 gravity modprobe: can't locate module block-major-34
May 6 15:48:51 gravity modprobe: can't locate module block-major-22
May 6 15:48:51 gravity modprobe: can't locate module block-major-22
May 6 15:48:51 gravity modprobe: can't locate module block-major-33
May 6 15:48:51 gravity modprobe: can't locate module block-major-33
May 6 15:48:51 gravity modprobe: can't locate module block-major-34
May 6 15:48:51 gravity modprobe: can't locate module block-major-34
May 6 15:48:52 gravity modprobe: can't locate module block-major-8
May 6 15:48:52 gravity last message repeated 6 times
Again these do not seem to affect the operation of the thing (although
it would be nice to get rid of the error log messages)
Does anyone know how to solve either of these two problems?
Thanks
Bill Unruh
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Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 15:45:29 -0700
From: jik- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Forum Package for Web Site
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> I am looking for a perl, cgi, or java based package that will allow users to
> post messages and see those messages in a threaded html page.
>
> I have seen several listserv packages but no forum manager type of package.
>
> Any suggestions on 'the best' or 'the easiest to use' forum package.
hmmmm....seems to me that a simple web search for free cgi programs
should turn up this. There are several places were you can download
free perl cgis and I am sure a forumn would be among those.
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From: "Ronald D. Haynes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: running Linux on a 2 cpu system
Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 16:00:08 -0700
Hi, I have a 2 cpu motherboard that I have been considering building a
system from.
Does Linux support multiple CPU systems? Any documentation or links
that would
be of interest?
Thanks,
R Haynes
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From: Mark G. Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Caldera OpenLinux 1.3
Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 18:58:57 -0400
Hi, folks.
I've got a quick question about Caldera OpenLinux 1.3 which isn't immediately
clear from their brief product description. Could somebody tell me whether it's
glibc2 based, or is it only libc5? I checked their packages dir and only see
rpms for libc5; however, their docs refer to "Popular libraries: glibc runtime
and libc5.x". I just want to make sure it isn't glibc2 based before I give the
wrong answer to somebody. :>
Thanks.
//Mark
--
Mark G. Adams
Software Developer
LivePage Corporation
Waterloo, Ontario, Canada
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Ryan Arneson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: *Nix software packages
Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 16:53:21 -0600
"Gary S. Mackay" wrote:
>
> Where can I find software for *Nix? Prefereably, of coarse, Linux?
Checkout
http://www.freshmeat.net
http://www.linuxberg.com
http://www.linuxapps.com
These three should give you something to start with. Happy hunting.
Ryan
I
> know this sounds too broad, but I'm very interested in offering Linux
> servers to my clients, but I need to offer them software suggestions as
> well. I know about Applix, StarOffice, etc. for normal word processing,
> spreadsheets, etc. What I'm looking for are accounting programs,
> programs to manage club memberships and dues, stuff like that. Where
> should I start?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Costello)
Crossposted-To:
talk.politics.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.activism,alt.society.liberalism
Subject: Re: The GNU Fragrance of Sharing vs. the Stench of Greed (was: GNU reeks of
Communism (really)
Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 15:29:47 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Robert Krawitz wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Floyd Davidson) writes:
>
> > It does happen that Tightwad Corp is owned by Gill Bates, the
> > greediest SOB west of Mount Rainier, so Closed Inc can probably
> > offer him money and expect a successful deal.
>
> You've left out the part where Tightwad Corp. decides that ClosedSQL
> is a really nice product. So nice, in fact, that Tightwad decides
> that they really should have it themselves. So they offer ClosedSQL
> the choice of a buyout on unfavorable terms, or else Tightwad
> Corp. will make their Smokin' Mirrors OS incompatible with ClosedSQL,
> write TightSQL based on knowledge they gained in the negotiations, but
> there's no way ClosedSQL will be able to prove it in court because
> Tightwad can afford armies of topnotch lawyers, so Closed Inc. loses
> out anyway.
Yeah. And making it an open source solution would really stop
Tightwad Corp. from making their OS incompatible with Mirrors?
--
Chris Costello
"#define QUESTION ((bb) || !(bb)) - Shakespeare."
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From: Dan Warren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat
Subject: RAID and MEDIUM ERRORS - HELP!!!
Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 09:57:12 -0500
Can someone decipher these messages for me? My RAID 1 device has worked
smoothly for 6 months but suddenly has given me errors and I don't
completely understand what they mean. Is one of my drives failing? Is
it just bad sectors and if so can I mark them bad so the RAID device
doesn't try to use them? Why doesn't the RAID device just mark the
sectors bad and keep going instead of disabling the drive?
Interestingly, it disables just after the SCSI tape backup starts???
Dan Warren
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Here is the setup:
Pentium 350 / 128 Mb SDRAM
Adaptec 2940UW
2 Seagate ST34520W 4.5Gb SCSI-2 hard drives
Red Hat 5.2 (2.0.36)
Raidtools-0.5beta1
Errors:
Apr 21 00:05:10 andromeda kernel: scsi0: MEDIUM ERROR on channel 0, id
15, lun 0, CDB: Read (10) 00 00 41 af 45 00 00 26 00
Apr 21 00:05:10 andromeda kernel: Current error sd08:11: sense key
Medium Error
Apr 21 00:05:10 andromeda kernel: Additional sense indicates Unrecovered
read error
Apr 21 00:05:10 andromeda kernel: scsidisk I/O error: dev 08:11, sector
4304682,
absolute sector 4304745
Apr 21 00:05:10 andromeda kernel: RAID1: Disk failure on 08:11,
disabling device. Operation continuing on 1 devices
Apr 21 00:05:10 andromeda kernel: raid1: 09:00: rescheduling block
2152341
Apr 21 00:05:10 andromeda kernel: md: updating raid superblock on device
08:01,
sb_offset == 4441856
Apr 21 00:05:10 andromeda kernel: md: updating raid superblock on device
08:11,
sb_offset == 4441856
Apr 21 00:05:10 andromeda kernel: raid1: 09:00: redirecting sector
2152341 to an
other mirror
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: dual line modems
Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 16:21:52 GMT
I was looking into setting up an EQL PPP link with Linux when I discovered
that dual-line modems are available. These modems implement a multilink
serial connection via hardware. They act like a 112k modem.
I also noticed that they are all internal. Has anyone installed one of these
modems under Linux? If so, did you have any problems? The only one I have
seen reviewed so far is the Diamond Multimedia SupraSonic II. I have also
heard that Boca Research has one, but did not see any mention of it on their
website.
Any help is appreciate!
---
Dustin Puryear
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
============= Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ============
http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own
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From: "brian l" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: SiS graphics chips & XFree86
Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 16:01:28 +0100
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Hello.
A lot of people have had a lot of trouble with getting SiS cards to work.
I myself managed to get a SiS530 (or that's what it claimed to be) built
into a PC-CHIPS 100mhz motherboard to work beyond a 320x200 resoultion only
with a little bit of help several other people.
Therefore, I would like to pool everyone's knowlege on the SiS with XFree86
into one place where people wanting a bit of cheap processing & graphics
power can go to get their cards working.
That's right - I'm interested in setting up a SiS in Linux web page.
So if anyone has any solutions, tips etc. for getting the onboard SiS cards
to work with X, please email them to me at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Your contributions would be gratefully recieved (and you'll get a mention on
the page!).
Thank You in advance,
Brian Lycett.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco Anglesio)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 15:03:35 GMT
On 07 May 1999 00:57:41 -0700, Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>You're confused. Rising literacy rates in Western Europe created the
>market for printed material, not the other way around. Reading for
Yes, you are correct; my mistake for getting the two backwards. There was
no demand for new printing methods until the late 18th C; previous to
that, a press was functionally the same as Gutenberg's.
>The fact that reading is an action associated with a particular object
>does not impact on its value within a society in which those objects
>are plentiful. Within that framework, reading does have an intrinsic
>value. I think it's you who needs to refresh his understanding of the
>meaning of `intrinsic.'
This, I would take argument with. If you need an external feature to give
worth to a given skill, it isn't intrinsically worthwhile. If you depend
on the world being as it is for a skill to have worth, you depend on the
extrinsic, not the intrinsic. The skill, in and of itself, is one which
has extrinsic, not intrinsic, worth, as it depends on a reading culture.
marco
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> [EMAIL PROTECTED] | But I grow old and I forget your name. <
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> | --Sylvia Plath <
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Walter Tice USG)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Microsoft is the Communist!!!
Date: 7 May 1999 20:28:56 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Peter Mutsaers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>> "PO" == Prins Olivier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> PO> You forget that if you use the word communism for those
> PO> states, you are very wrong those states ween't even close to
> PO> communism. They could, arguably, be in the state of the
>No, it is correct to use communist for those states. It is just as
>correct as using capitalist or whatever for status such as the US.
> PO> dictatorship of the working class. Which always turned out to
> PO> be just an ordinary dictatorship of a few ppl, no matter what
> PO> other ppl try. The communistic state has never been achieved,
> PO> a lot of ppl say it isn't possible because it would an utopia,
> PO> it would be paradise on earth which THEY think is impossible..
NO, communism has never been implemented. Centrally controlled
statist versions do not count.
>It is extremely unfair to reason like this. One the one hand, all
>dozen of implementations of communism failed (compared with the
>original theory), and were corrupted, so doesn't that tell something
>about the theory itself?
No, not really, besides the fact you need people to not be greedy
and self serving, and to agreee to live a certain way. Since we
are long way from that on any large scale, the world isn't ready
for it - it says something about human nature, not the ideals
of communism per se.
>On the other hand, such so called communists never recognize, when
>talking about how bad capitalism or religions are, that those also
>were never implemented fully in line with their idealistic theories.
That's often true. But zealots never see the other guys point of
view. Part of the problem is the nature of organizations, they
spend more time furthering themselves then for whatever purpose
they were created for - often times, even at best case, they involve
petty bickering, politics, and other unproductive nonsense.
>I think history speaks for itself and has shown communism (and
>socialism for that matter) to be a dangerous failure, trying to
>control and plan the uncontrollable and too complex human behaviour,
>thus naturally resulting in corruption and lots of damage.
I agree that the attempts so far have been pretty poor, but that
does not mean it does not have merit, or that there are not ideas
which can be adapted. For instance, the notion of cooperatives
is quite useful, and is being put into practice all around us.
That is some group of people promise to come together, and do
things in a certain way for the benefit of all. This is not a
bad thing, is it?
>btw. I don't agree with the start of this discussion claiming GNU is
>communist. It is not, since sharing information and products is not
>automatically communist. GNU wants to give freedom and choice, which
>are contrary to communism (which is evil; ever heard of 'dictatorship
>of the proletariat' and the reasonings about the role of the
>state?). I woulnd't call it capitalism either, but it sure isn't
>communism.
GNU communist? Well, it's cooperative, benefits many.. but it
is also technocracy - and those that can't meet the grade or
produce software that meet the grade do not get to contribute -
which is interesting and powerful, but hardly "communist".
>Microsoft on the other hand comes close to the communist states and
>their enormous conglomerate industries, going for total control and
>domination, having the idea that they know better than yourself what
>is good for you.
Nonsense, much more akin to the behavior of robber barrons, and
monopolies. And yes, to certain examples of statist communism.
But this does not undermine the ideals of communism, but it does
call into question your level of open mindedness.
Much safer to examine behavior without "isms" as a label until
you are done examining, then label it. For instance, to me,
M$ products suck, I didn't walk into this assuming they sucked
I decided for myself first, then came to the conclusion that
they suck. Now, it's possible that some M$ products don't suck,
but somebody is going to have to make an effort to convince me
because I'm not going to waste my time sifting through all the
"crap" for one or two gems.
>Peter Mutsaers | Abcoude (Utrecht), | Trust me, I know
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] | the Netherlands | what I'm doing.
W
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Gunshannon)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Is Unix a single user operating system?
Date: 7 May 1999 20:30:32 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jesus Monroy,
Jr.) writes:
|>
|> With a UNIX box you enter someones computer
|> from the outside world via the internet.
Only if the owner of the computer lets them. (Which, by the way is true of
Windows as well. I regularly access my desktop Win98 machine at work from
another machine at home.) All of the remote access under UNIX can be turned
off just as the same capability on Windows can be turned on. The only
difference is the default states which happen to be opposites.
bill
--
Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.
University of Scranton |
Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include <std.disclaimer.h>
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From: Bruno Barberi Gnecco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.games.development.programming.misc
Subject: GGI and direct buffers
Date: 7 May 1999 15:55:23 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hello all!
I'm writing a heavy 3D graphics program, and it seems that using
GGI direct buffer will be a simple yet fast solution. I've managed to make
some demos work here, but there remains some questions:
a) I just could make them work under X-win, but it seems that you must
have framebuffer support in your kernel to be able to use them in svgalib.
I'd like to know how much experimental is it in the x86 platform.
b) What about pixels? The demos I managed to work used RGBA order in 32
bits, RGB in 24, but always in X. Are these orders default? What about 16
and 8 bits oders, are they chosen by the server or I can choose whatever I
want, like 5-6-5?
c) how to use double-buffering? is it enough to set ggi_mode->frames = 2
and use ggiSetDisplayFrame?
d) any comments about portability/speed?
That's it... Thanks a lot,
--
Did you *REALLY* check that interface between the chair and the keyboard?
Bruno Barberi Gnecco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ICQ #1383173 - PGP 5.0i user
[I'm running Linux] -=-=- Electric Engineering at Politechnic School, USP
http://www.geocities.com/RodeoDrive/1980/ * Check for C, 3D graphics, etc
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From: "David Z. Maze" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [solved] Re: how do i detect if x is running?
Date: 07 May 1999 16:58:11 -0400
digs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
digs> what if $display is "exported" via profile or wherever
digs> thats a failure for sure right?
Yup. You should probably fix your profile file to not do that.
Shells running under an xdm or xinit session automagically get DISPLAY
set properly. Shells not running under X also by default get the
correct value for DISPLAY (namely nothing).
[The only tweaking of DISPLAY I do in my startup scripts is to *gasp*
manually set DISPLAY if I'm logged in on the dumb terminal attached to
my machine. This means that occasionally, yes, I get things on my X
display when I don't want them. I'm also only generally logged in
there when I actually have an X session running...but this is a user
discipline issue, rather than something that can be enforced
programmatically.]
digs> please offer an example I would like to get it right.
If you won't/can't fix /etc/profile to DTRT (namely nothing) with
DISPLAY, you can try code like this in your .profile or equivalent
file:
xset q >&/dev/null || unset DISPLAY
This tries to poke the X server, and if it isn't there, changes the
DISPLAY environment variable to the right value. An equivalent hack
can be used to set DISPLAY if a particular X server is responding.
--
David Maze [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://donut.mit.edu/dmaze/
"Hey, Doug, do you mind if I push the Emergency Booth Self-Destruct Button?"
"Oh, sure, Dave, whatever...you _do_ know what that does, right?"
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Amir Shamsuddin)
Subject: Windows '98 refund ??
Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 16:46:52 GMT
Hi,
Does an OEM Windows '98 license still have the clause about returning the software if
you
do not accept it? (ref: windows refund day etc, earlier this year)
Also, has anyone in the UK successfully returned a Microsoft O/S by following the
instructions in that clause ( ie contact the mannufacturer for a refund ... )?
Just want to know as I am buying a computer with Win'98, which will be replaced by
linux
as the first thing I do, and I'm wondering whether I'd be able to return it without
inordinate
hassle.
Cheers,
Amir Shamsuddin
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Joshua E. Rodd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to ``GNU Communism'')
Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 17:08:07 -0400
Ed Avis wrote:
> Joshua E. Rodd wrote:
> >Big deal. I ran NT 3.51 on a PS/2 Model 65 SX (8560-061) with 8MB
> >of memory.
> And I once ran OS/2 Warp version 3 on a PS/2 E (9533) with 4MB of
> RAM. So there. :-)
As did I. It had the faster 120MB disk, though.
(I ran OS/2 on the aforementioned 65 SX when it had 4MB as well,
and that was with OS/2 2.0 with the 16-bit GRE, which made
NT 3.51's video system look fast.)
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