Linux-Misc Digest #102, Volume #20 Fri, 7 May 99 20:13:12 EDT
Contents:
Re: The GNU Fragrance of Sharing vs. the Stench of Greed (was: GNU reeks of
Communism (really) (Johan Kullstam)
Re: Testing my CPU! (Scott Smith)
Re: FreeBSD vs. Linux vs. Windows (Vernon Schryver)
Re: I am on a quest... (Steve Lamb)
Re: Winfax issues when dumping Novell Netware for Mars_Nwe under Linux (Ken Agress)
Re: Security Online (Duncan Simpson)
Re: Caldera OpenLinux 1.3 (Bob Hauck)
wine (Anup Rao)
Re: Ken Thompson on Linux (Juergen Heinzl)
Re: PHB ammunition - microsoft hate links (Juergen Heinzl)
Re: How to get the target of the link? (Matthew Bafford)
Re: CTRL-S (Chris Smith)
Ken Thompson on Linux (Tom Payne)
Re: cdrom filesystem? (jik-)
Re: I am on a quest... (Steve Lamb)
Re: I am on a quest... (Steve Lamb)
Serious Redhat 6.0 Problems (Michael =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D8stergaard?= Pedersen)
FACTS: ("Matthew Gardiner")
Re: True Type Font Installation: How? (marek jedlinski)
Re: Linux and Windows 2000 (Adrian Knoth)
Re: Testing my CPU! ("Anthony J. Gabrielson")
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From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
talk.politics.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.activism,alt.society.liberalism
Subject: Re: The GNU Fragrance of Sharing vs. the Stench of Greed (was: GNU reeks of
Communism (really)
Date: 03 May 1999 11:09:11 -0400
jik- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > : I'm completely aware. I don't like developing on software
> > : that makes me release all of my code. If I want to, say, use an
> > : IRC server that's GPLed, and add my proprietary extensions to it
> > : for conferences amongst my coworkers, I can't do that, now, can
> > : I?
>
> Nope, it would be illegal
take away the word proprietary and everyone can be happy.
> > Yes, you can. If you don't distribute it. What the GPL grant you
> > is the right to modify the program and the obligation to grant the
> > same right to the persons or organisations that you distribute the
> > software to.
>
> Distributing it to coworkers would be distributing it.
yes, but if offer the cow-orkers source and they all agree not to copy
it further, then there is no problem.
> > It is tit for tat. The cost of not reinventing the wheel comes at
> > the price that you can't denie your customers the right to modify
> > the source that you had originaly. Is that fair? It certainly is
> > IMHO.
>
> This also causes problems for people working on free software.
you know, sometimes you can't eat your cake and have it too.
the GPL is what it is. GPL *does* restrict downstream users of the
code. the L stands for *license* after all. GPL software source is
not itself given or sold to you. it is merely licensed. certain
rights of the original author *are* reserved. this isn't a big
mystery or surprise.
why shouldn't the author be able to control what happens to his work?
i do not feel the restrictions of the GPL are particularly onerous --
especially when you compare it to, say, microsoft's end user license
agreement. you are free to use GPL or not. you can avoid GPL
software if you want to. i really do not see what the big problem is.
--
johan kullstam
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Scott Smith)
Subject: Re: Testing my CPU!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 07:20:09 GMT
On Fri, 07 May 1999 08:08:16 +0400, Ferdinand V. Mendoza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>HI all,
>I have a PII 400 stand alone PC and running Mandrake 5.3 on it.
>I wanted to put some load to my CPU close to 100% to test it's
>stability.
>I can't find a single app to do that except the password cracker
>program I'm running now. It can push my CPU up to 99% usage
[deltia]
>pointer anymore. Any suggestions?
Compile a kernel. Compile a bunch of stuff at the same time!
--
Scott Lacy Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Student of Computer Science
"Nullus Anxietas" Denton, Texas, US
The University of North Texas
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Vernon Schryver)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: FreeBSD vs. Linux vs. Windows
Date: 7 May 1999 08:15:20 -0600
In article <7gu33t$fnv$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Leslie Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>In this kind of situation, the hacks in inetd and sendmail to stop
>>listen()ing for new connections is a good, cheap, effective solution.
>
>Hmmm, that reminds me. I've seen sendmail do some horrible things
>when someone had a box configured to start a queue run every 30
>seconds then sent something to a huge list of addresses.
Fools can break anything.
The standard sendmail load limiting mechanism first stops running the
queue, and then at a higher load as measured by avenrun, turns off
listen(). The sendmail that used to be shipped by my former employer, a
major UNIX vendor, counted its own processes in addition to using avenrun,
because I felt avenrun responded too slowly...well, the real reason was
that when I first shipped sendmail, the kernel didn't know about
avenrun, but I still think it is a better idea than using only avenrun.
>>Simply stop forking (or whatever) for new incoming work when you get
>>behind. ...
>This is the right idea, but apache only offers to limit the number of
>processes to some fixed limit. However, the problem happens when
>a CGI is executing too slowly due to a bug or external problem. The
>number of httpd processes alone would probably be OK, but now I've
>got a perl process also for each httpd (which isn't the normal case).
>If the perls are mostly stalled waiting for network I/O, the load
>won't be especially high either. The concept I need is for apache
>to not start additional children if more than a specified amount
>of swap is being used. Even that might not work if a large number
>of processes were started serving static pages, and then the CGI
>requests started coming.
So use a non-linear function combining swap space, the avenrun load, and
the number of processes of various kinds that you are running. For
example, let each PERL script count itself in a file when they start and
end and have apache watch the file, or make apache look through the process
table every 30 seconds and count. Or add a system call that does the
counting.
The easiest hack for such special purposes might be to warp the kernel
avenrun code compute exactly what you need and report it in the avenrun
values. Then you would not need to change apache. The disadvantage of
such a hack is that standard commands would report nonstandard measures
of the system load, but that's also an advantage.
Vernon Schryver [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve Lamb)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,alt.os.slackware.linux
Subject: Re: I am on a quest...
Date: 7 May 1999 17:56:40 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 06 May 1999 14:08:56 -0400, Josh Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>It doesn't support sending from multiple e-mail accounts, but you can
>recieve from as many as you want by just clicking one button.
That would be a problem for people who have two seperate and distict
accounts. For example, one for professional business, one for personal
business. This also suggest to me that the accounts are not complete and
seperate entities. My biggest beef is this treand in MUAs across all
platforms to clump all mail together under one single entity and provide
"personalities" only when sending. The single inbox/outbox/sentmail just
does not work in the majority of situations where people would have multiple
accounts.
--
Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your
ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ken Agress)
Crossposted-To:
symantec.support.network.winfax.general,symantec.support.win3x.winfax4.general,comp.os.netware.misc
Subject: Re: Winfax issues when dumping Novell Netware for Mars_Nwe under Linux
Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 16:12:39 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 6 May 1999 06:46:12 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Bernd-Ulrich Adrigam) wrote:
>Hi Peter,
>
>Ethernet_II is used by TCP/IP, so change the IPX frame type to
>Ethernet_802.2 at each Win-PC
Not quite accurate. Ethernet_II *supports* TCP/IP, but it can also be
used for IPX or NetBEUI. So long as the frame type is the same on the
servers and workstations that are on the same network, things should
work fine.
Ken Agress/CNE
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Duncan Simpson)
Subject: Re: Security Online
Date: 7 May 1999 18:05:55 GMT
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Elliott Paiken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>How can I secure my self from people logging into my PC on different ports?
- Use good passwords
- set /etc/hosts.allow and /etc/hosts.deny so tcp wrappers cut their connection.
- Do not offer services
- Known what services you offer
- Keep your servers up to date to stop all the script kiddies out there.
- If you use a dialup connection do not stay connected 24/7 (most ISPs dislike
this practice anyway and in quite a few places the phone bills would make a
leased line look cheap).
>how do I close them?
Many services are run from inetd in witch case you comment out the service in
/etc/inetd.conf and then send inetd an HUP signal. Other services run in the
background as seperate daemons and these a disabled by simply not running the
daemons.
>and what procedures do I have to accomplish to make sure none is coming in
>and that I can see who is logging in? thanks
/var/log/secure or another log file records who connects to a tcp
wrapped services. RH installs things with tcp wrappers in use by
default, which is a *good move*. last shows who logged in using
informtion in /var/log/wtmp (or wherever your distirbution hides
wtmp).
Duncan (-:
--
Duncan (-:
"software industry, the: unique industry where selling substandard goods is
legal and you can charge extra for fixing the problems."
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From: Bob Hauck <b o b h @ w a s a t c h . c o m>
Subject: Re: Caldera OpenLinux 1.3
Date: 07 May 1999 11:52:45 -0600
Mark G. Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I've got a quick question about Caldera OpenLinux 1.3 which isn't
> immediately clear from their brief product description. Could somebody
> tell me whether it's glibc2 based, or is it only libc5?
1.3 is libc5 based (i.e. the stuff that comes on the CD uses libc5) but
also includes glibc to give some degree of compatiblity with newer
software.
--
11:45:00 up 73 days, 1:05, 0 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
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From: Anup Rao <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: wine
Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 18:13:45 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I'm trying to run starcraft on wine.
The file i'm trying to run is brood.exe on my windows partition. So i
punched in wine brood.exe, and came up with the error starcraft.exe not
found. starcraft.exe is in the same directory, it's just called
star~1.exe. Anybody know how to fix this?
Thanks in advance.
********
Anup Rao
CmpE
Georgia Institute of Technology
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(404) 206-0318
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Juergen Heinzl)
Subject: Re: Ken Thompson on Linux
Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 23:04:33 GMT
In article <7gv627$m9l$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tom Payne wrote:
>
>In a recent interview in IEEE's Computer magazine
>(http://computer.org/computer/thompson.htm), Ken Thompson, the
>originator of Unix, had the following to say about Linux:
Lots about that on ./
> Computer: In a sense, Linux is following in this tradition. Any
> thoughts on this phenomenon?
>
> Thompson: I view Linux as something that's not Microsoft; a
> backlash against Microsoft, no more and no less. I don't think it
To be honest ... now it is ... it has become politically correct
to use Linux now, the 0.9x days of the hackers best toy are gone.
> will be very successful in the long run. I've looked at the source
Let's see.
> and there are pieces that are good and pieces that are not. A whole
> bunch of random people have contributed to this source, and the
> quality varies drastically.
Sure.
> My experience and some of my friends' experience is that Linux is
> quite unreliable. Microsoft is really unreliable but Linux is
> worse. In a non-PC environment, it just won't hold up. If you're
Okay, I do not ... cannot out of experience ... buy that at all.
> using it on a single box, that's one thing. But if you want to use
> Linux in firewalls, gateways, embedded systems, and so on, it has a
> long way to go.
Considering an OS or any other piece of complex software to be perfect
means probably digging its grave. It has gone quite a long way already
and it is for sure not going to be the one size fits all. M$ tried to
achieve that with NT ...
"PC's are the future my former boss" used to tell me ... in some
respect he even was right, although I think he had a brighter one in
mind back then ...
Cheers,
Juergen (who does not believe in world domination)
--
\ Real name : J�rgen Heinzl \ no flames /
\ EMail Private : [EMAIL PROTECTED] \ send money instead /
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Juergen Heinzl)
Subject: Re: PHB ammunition - microsoft hate links
Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 23:04:36 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ken Williams wrote:
Please post this kind of junk to alt.puberty or better suited groups
like alt.dev.null.
Juergen
--
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\ EMail Private : [EMAIL PROTECTED] \ send money instead /
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthew Bafford)
Subject: Re: How to get the target of the link?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 23:06:21 GMT
On Fri, 07 May 1999 16:47:25 -0400, Sergei Gnezdov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
held the hotpop admin at gunpoint while typing in the following:
: What ate the another ways to get it?
file will give something like:
foo: symbolic link to /baz/bar
: If I want to get just name of the target, how can I do this?
Well, do you mean in a shell script? In a Perl program? In a C program?
For a shell script:
file foo | sed 's/^[^\/]\+\(.\+\)$/\1/'
: Thanks
--Matthew
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From: Chris Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: CTRL-S
Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 10:20:36 -0500
Patrik Israelsson wrote:
> Stu wrote:
> > I've noticed that within a virtual console CTRL-S disables the keyboard.
> > I am sure this is not a bug, so what is its purpose. I can only think
> > that it could be to lock the console for whilst away from the keyboard,
> > but if so how do you unlock it ?
>
> Well, I really don't think I've seen any good answers to this in other
> answers (sorry guys =P), so I'll just answer your question: Ctrl+S does the
> same as Scroll Lock. Unlock it by pressing Scroll Lock again...
A bit more historical perspective for anyone who cares... contrary to
what several people have said in this thread, Ctrl-S and Ctrl-Q were not
actually originally designed to be used by human beings at all, even on
1200bps terminals. They have always been usable like that, but they
were designed to implement flow control. If the terminal was receiving
data too fast and couldn't buffer/display it all, it would send a Ctrl-S
to stop the server from sending data until it could flush its buffers to
avoid losing data that couldn't fit in the buffer. Ctrl-Q would then
resume it. These came to be recognized as very poor ideas for a large
variety of reasons, and now flow control is performed in much more
intelligent ways -- but the keys are still around (probably because when
they did exist, people got used to using them like scroll lock -- before
scroll lock ever existed).
--
Chris Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: Tom Payne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Ken Thompson on Linux
Date: 7 May 1999 16:57:43 GMT
In a recent interview in IEEE's Computer magazine
(http://computer.org/computer/thompson.htm), Ken Thompson, the
originator of Unix, had the following to say about Linux:
Computer: In a sense, Linux is following in this tradition. Any
thoughts on this phenomenon?
Thompson: I view Linux as something that's not Microsoft; a
backlash against Microsoft, no more and no less. I don't think it
will be very successful in the long run. I've looked at the source
and there are pieces that are good and pieces that are not. A whole
bunch of random people have contributed to this source, and the
quality varies drastically.
My experience and some of my friends' experience is that Linux is
quite unreliable. Microsoft is really unreliable but Linux is
worse. In a non-PC environment, it just won't hold up. If you're
using it on a single box, that's one thing. But if you want to use
Linux in firewalls, gateways, embedded systems, and so on, it has a
long way to go.
Tom Payne
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Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 16:03:55 -0700
From: jik- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: cdrom filesystem?
Frank Waarsenburg wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> since my Linux box does not have a CD of it's own (Usually it's just a
> dedicated router), I share a CD on a Windoze box if I need one, using
> smbmount. This works, but the files on the CD appear on the Linux
> console in 8.3 all capital format. Is there a way to mount the CD so it
> presents long filenames?
>
> Frank
Maybe the CD uses Joliet? Apperently it doesn't use Rock Ridge.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve Lamb)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,alt.os.slackware.linux
Subject: Re: I am on a quest...
Date: 7 May 1999 17:50:59 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 2 May 1999 17:47:29 GMT, brian moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Mutt threads and supports multiple accounts via IMAP or fetchmail.
Not as well as expected. It is more of a hack that way than anything
else. The accounts are not complete and seperate entities in and of
themselves.
--
Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your
ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve Lamb)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,alt.os.slackware.linux
Subject: Re: I am on a quest...
Date: 7 May 1999 17:49:29 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sun, 02 May 1999 08:19:57 GMT, Jeffery Cann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>for an X-windows email client for Linux. If my dream of the "perfect"
>email client could be written down, it would have the following
>features:
Given your set of criteria (which, save for the graphics, is mine as
well) such a beast does not exist.
--
Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your
ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls.
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From: Michael =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D8stergaard?= Pedersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Serious Redhat 6.0 Problems
Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 17:55:52 +0200
Here's a little story about my attempt to install Redhat 6.0
I first install the program and the installation went smooth. I then
logged in as root and tried to start my XServer, but all I got was a
black screen and a lockup. I rebooted, but the system locked up when it
tried to start syslog.
I installed it again (formatted the partitions) but the result was the
same, but this time syslog locked up the system first time i booted.
Installed it again, but left out syslog. This time Samba locked up the
system.
Tried again without any of these two, and now i managed to get to the
login screen. Logged in as root and tried to start Midnight Commander.
Nothing happened. I tried to start a lot of programs, but on one would
run (nothing happened when I typed the program name). I was still able
to use C-c to break out when a program wouldn't run. Then I tried
starting the X-server and the system locked up completely.
What's going on here ??? I have used Redhat 5.2 for some time on the
same system, and it worked just fine. Have anyone tried anyting like
this, and/or does anyone know what might be going on ???
Please help (but please don't post reply's just to say: "Strange, but my
Redhat 6.0 works fine")
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From: "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: talk.politics.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: FACTS:
Date: 8 May 1999 00:01:09 GMT
So if free software/source code if communist then this all other
charities/missionaries/charity workers must all communist because the ask
for no money for the services they provide, I donot think so.
Secondly, during the 1950's in America the social policy (welfare) was
based on Faybin Socialism (social democracy) and the economic policy was a
mixture between free-market and socialist economic control based on
government intervention.
Russia however although was seen as communist during this time period by
America is false. the USSR never made the final step to a full communist
state which consisted on each commune owning the factories in their
respected areas and deciding what will be made for the good of the commune.
USSR still remain in the Socialist refomation.
Thirdly, speaking on behalf of Australia and New Zealand (two of the open
economies) to America, Europe and other heavily subsidised and protected
countries. Ask any economist about subsidies and they will tell you that
the problem is that the money which gets out into subsidies is dead money
(DWL) which would of been better off used for tax cuts which would give a
greater effect. Tariffs, in theory are only meant to be used to protect
young industries, I think Europe and the Americas have had long enough to
become efficient.
Through the use of tariff and subsidies what that indicates to the rest of
the world is that these countries are not very efficient and that the
governments are prepared to subsidise un-economically viable businesses.
In New Zealand we have hardly any tariffs on anything, our exports are
based on the quality of out products, such as meat, dairy, wool, beef,
lamb. butter, milk, Zespri, Oranges, Apples, Pears, clothes, and other
assorted goods are secound to none when compared to the terrible American
agricultural products, orange cheese, watered down milk, and fatty,
tasteless beef and lamb. (yes I have been to America).
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (marek jedlinski)
Subject: Re: True Type Font Installation: How?
Date: 7 May 1999 18:08:00 GMT
Huy Le <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Would anyone kindly tell how to install True Type Fonts on RedHat Linux?
You need to find 'xfstt'. Install it, look at the docs, and you're set.
Try http://www.dcs.ed.ac.uk/home/jec/programs/xfsft/
.marek
--
General Frenetics, Discorporated: http://www.lodz.pdi.net/~eristic/
Invalid thought detected. Close all mental processes and restart body.
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From: Adrian Knoth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux and Windows 2000
Date: 7 May 1999 14:56:37 GMT
William T. Trotter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Does the NTFS driver which can be compiled into
> a linux kernel work with the new version of NTFS
> which is used with Windows 2000?
show me anyone who is really interested in running win2000.
note: the ntfs-support of linux will be improved. but ntfs won't.
--
bye --> cu --> [EMAIL PROTECTED] --> Adrian Knoth --> http://adi.thur.de
Lieber blau sein als sich schwarz zu �rgern
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From: "Anthony J. Gabrielson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Testing my CPU!
Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 14:42:06 -0400
Hello,
Why not try recompiling egcs and gcc while running the passwd
cracker - that should get you up in the 100% range. I have a dual PII 350
and if I recompile 5 things whith x running. It'll get up to 100%.
Anthony
On Fri, 7 May 1999, Ferdinand V. Mendoza wrote:
> HI all,
> I have a PII 400 stand alone PC and running Mandrake 5.3 on it.
> I wanted to put some load to my CPU close to 100% to test it's
> stability.
> I can't find a single app to do that except the password cracker
> program I'm running now. It can push my CPU up to 99% usage
> and still my PC can run well even if I'm runnning other programs
> like X11amp, netscape and do some cron schedules to run the
> updatedb program every 5 min. interval, check mail regularly,etc.
> Is this a sound test?
> I just want to compare because in the office, I'm running WIN NT
> and if the cpu usage is close to 100% I cannot move my mouse
> pointer anymore. Any suggestions?
>
> Badong
>
>
>
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