Linux-Misc Digest #122, Volume #20 Sun, 9 May 99 06:13:11 EDT
Contents:
Linux to Dos ("Dan")
Netscape upgrade... ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Programming crashes my system (Pete)
Tough Question About Linux ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Pine 3.95 - How to change the "From:" field? (Tomer Saar)
Re: Pro-Unix vs anti-WinTel (jik-)
Re: Programming crashes my system (Iczer One)
Re: Tough Question About Linux (jik-)
Re: Debian: still viable? (Chris Mauritz)
Re: Tough Question About Linux ("Cameron Spitzer")
Re: How can X be so slow? ("D. Vrabel")
Re: Newbie with Printer Problems ("D. Vrabel")
Re: Programming crashes my system ("D. Vrabel")
Re: Debian: still viable? (Anthony Campbell)
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From: "Dan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linux to Dos
Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 00:50:46 +0300
Hello all,
How can I convert Linux text file to dos text file?
Dan
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Netscape upgrade...
Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 03:11:46 GMT
I'm currently running the netscape communicator browser that came
with Redhat 5.2 version 4.07 linux 2.0 and want to upgrade to 4.51.
Would like to know, are there any changes or adjustments that need to be
made before and after the download?
Just wanting to get it right the first time, hoping to avoid any
unwelcomed and unexpected surprises.
Thanks in advance
Allan...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux-redhat
Subject: Re: Programming crashes my system
Date: 9 May 1999 07:33:00 GMT
: My question is, what exactly is causing these problems?
uhhh... get rid of windows. the crashing will stop immediately.
pete
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posting these 4 lines makes me an international arms trafficker! Join me in
civil disobedience; add these lines of code to your .sig block to help get
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============================================================================
from sys import*;from string import*;a=argv;[s,p,q]=filter(lambda x:x[:1]!=
'-',a);d='-d'in a;e,n=atol(p,16), atol(q,16);l=(len(q)+1)/2;o,inb=l-d,l-1+d
while s:s=stdin.read(inb);s and map(stdout.write,map(lambda i,b=pow(reduce(
lambda x,y:(x<<8L) +y, map(ord,s)),e,n): chr(b>>8*i&255),range(o-1,-1,-1)))
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The best way to accelerate a win95 system is at 9.81 m/s^2
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Tough Question About Linux
Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 07:05:58 GMT
From: Bill Case
President
BCConsulting
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
618.654.3650
"All's Well That Ends Well"
I have a consulting company here in Highland, IL. We are following Linux
very closely. We have a question regarding the newly released OpenLinux
2.2 which just recently hit the retail channel. StarOffice 5.0 is included
with the package. Is this the "full" StarOffice 5.0 or just a limited
"personal edition"?
We are looking for the best way to introduce this (Linux) into our
organization and our clients. We are very impressed with the reviews but
are concerned about a few things. Caldera uses KDE as the Gui and Redhat
uses GNOME. Without actually using them, it's impossible to tell which is
best and more importantly if one will become a standard. We have relied
on the reviews and they seem to be mixed as to which Gui is best and will
subsequently become the standard. Can you share your input on this?
We also have questions about Linux in general. The issues are hardware
compatibility. If your answers are what we expect, we will purchase
OpenLinux 2.2 and install it on a test system that has Win95B and use the
dual boot capability. The test system has a HP820 CES deskjet printer and
a Umax Astra 610p (parallel port connection). The system itself (CTX
233mhz Pentium II) has a Soundblaster compatible sound card, Cirrus Logic
546X AGP Video Card-4 meg video, 96 meg memory, Tatung 24x CD-Rom
and a 4.3gig Quantum Eide Hard drive. It also has a 56k V.90 modem
with the Lucent chipset (believe-not sure-this could be known as a
Winmodem).
Can we expect OpenLinux 2.2 to recognize all these peripherals so that they
will be functional? Do not believe that there is anything extraordinary in
this configuration, but feel it would be the best test system for us.
Thank You and the concept you put together with this package looks great.
We look forward to hearing from you very soon as we would like to steer
our client base (and ourselves) away from Windows 9x and NT.
Best Regards
Bill Case
This msg was sent to Caldera days ago and we have not received any response.
Any help would be appreciated. If you don't mind, please include an email to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thanks in advance.
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From: Tomer Saar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.mail.pine,comp.mail.smail,comp.mail.smail,alt.2600,comp.mail.elm
Subject: Pine 3.95 - How to change the "From:" field?
Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 10:43:17 +0200
I'm using Pine 3.95 on a Solaris 2.6 (text-only terminal).
How can I change the "From" field permanentely? I know how to add a
"Reply-To" field, but then I have to enter my email address every time,
and people can see the default mail address that pine gives me.
Please Help
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Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 00:46:03 -0700
From: jik- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Pro-Unix vs anti-WinTel
david parsons wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Peter Mutsaers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Just look at the mess that distributors made of glibc 2.0/1. Even
> >though glibc2.0 was not intended for production use, they shipped it
>
> As much as it's tempting to blame the distributors for gl*bc 2.0,
> alas, you must also blame the developers. The developer of libc 5
> dropped libc 5 like a hot potato as soon as glibc 2.0 was even
> slightly viable, and many many other developers scrambled to get on
> the glibc bandwagon as soon as they could. And the glibc developers
> weren't extraordinarily good at announcing that "this is beta
> software and you shouldn't use it!"
What is it that glibc2 offers over libc5 that would cause this mass
migration besides hype? Something I have always wondered.
> david parsons \bi/ It's to FreeBSD's credit that the core team had to
> \/ be forced at gunpoint into switching from a.out to
> ELF.
What is wrong with the ELF file format? What does it offer over a.out?
If a lot, then no it is not to their credit....if a.out is better then
they should have stuck with it.
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From: Iczer One <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux-redhat
Subject: Re: Programming crashes my system
Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 04:09:00 -0400
>
> The following is a Python RSA implementation. According to the US Government
> posting these 4 lines makes me an international arms trafficker! Join me in
> civil disobedience; add these lines of code to your .sig block to help get
> this stupid and unconstitutional law changed.
> ============================================================================
> from sys import*;from string import*;a=argv;[s,p,q]=filter(lambda x:x[:1]!=
> '-',a);d='-d'in a;e,n=atol(p,16), atol(q,16);l=(len(q)+1)/2;o,inb=l-d,l-1+d
> while s:s=stdin.read(inb);s and map(stdout.write,map(lambda i,b=pow(reduce(
> lambda x,y:(x<<8L) +y, map(ord,s)),e,n): chr(b>>8*i&255),range(o-1,-1,-1)))
> ============================================================================
> The best way to accelerate a win95 system is at 9.81 m/s^2
Normally I dont Question About Someone's Sig,but this is a differant case.
Exactally what is the Above?What Is Pylon Rsa?What does the Above Do when
run?Sorry About My Ignorance in this matter.
--
============================Iczer=One===============================
"The Death Of One is a Tragedy,The Death of a Million,A Statistic"
-Stalin
One Person's Refelection On How we View Life.And We Call
Ourselves Civil?.......
"How Many Deaths Will it Take Till he Knows........
That Too Many People Have Died?"
-Peter,Paul And Mary
============================Iczer=One===============================
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Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 01:03:56 -0700
From: jik- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Tough Question About Linux
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> From: Bill Case
> President
> BCConsulting
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 618.654.3650
> "All's Well That Ends Well"
>
> I have a consulting company here in Highland, IL. We are following Linux
> very closely. We have a question regarding the newly released OpenLinux
> 2.2 which just recently hit the retail channel. StarOffice 5.0 is included
> with the package. Is this the "full" StarOffice 5.0 or just a limited
> "personal edition"?
You would have to ask Caldera but would bet that unless your paying a
large amount of money it will be the personal edition.
>
> We are looking for the best way to introduce this (Linux) into our
> organization and our clients. We are very impressed with the reviews but
> are concerned about a few things. Caldera uses KDE as the Gui and Redhat
> uses GNOME. Without actually using them, it's impossible to tell which is
> best and more importantly if one will become a standard. We have relied
> on the reviews and they seem to be mixed as to which Gui is best and will
> subsequently become the standard. Can you share your input on this?
Neither desktop will become a standard IMHO. Too many people like me
who don't find them exceptionaly useful. If your developing for Linux
you should develop for the X environment if you wish to have the widest
audience,...not either of the desktops unless your needing to use some
of their functionality. I would say that in all likelyhood you won't.
>
> We also have questions about Linux in general. The issues are hardware
> compatibility. If your answers are what we expect, we will purchase
> OpenLinux 2.2 and install it on a test system that has Win95B and use the
> dual boot capability. The test system has a HP820 CES deskjet printer
Check the Printing-HOWTO which has a link to the printer copmpatability
list at Ghostscript homepage. Seems that out of all brands, Epson and
HP are the most supported but I can't say for sure.
and
> a Umax Astra 610p (parallel port connection). The system itself (CTX
> 233mhz Pentium II) has a Soundblaster compatible sound card,
There is no such thing....you will probably be able to get 8bit sound
out of this card but I would not hold your breath for any 16bit sound.
Cirrus Logic
> 546X AGP Video Card-4 meg video,
Check at http://www.xfree86.org were they have a card list.
96 meg memory, Tatung 24x CD-Rom
> and a 4.3gig Quantum Eide Hard drive.
AFAIK all IDE/EIDE drives are supported. Most SCSI as well it seems.
It also has a 56k V.90 modem
> with the Lucent chipset (believe-not sure-this could be known as a
> Winmodem).
If it is a winmodem that it will be a dead hunk of plastic and metal in
Linux.
> This msg was sent to Caldera days ago and we have not received any response.
> Any help would be appreciated.
I have a strict code when buying products. If the company does not
respond to inqueries about their product I don't even consider buying
it. If they do not respond to technical support I will recomend others
to stay away,...and if it is something I am renting or paying a fee for
some service like an ISP...I might drop them.
If Caldera is not responding to you I would not buy their linux period.
Besides, you can download any number of linux distros for free, or buy
from www.linuxmall.com for $2 I can also say that Caldera is nothing
special on the software side....I tested their OpenLinux Lite and it
looked almost exactly like RedHat (which I also consider crap)
At any rate, your free to do with your money as you see fit, but not
responding does not make them look good now does it. Try calling one of
the others....SuSE currently installs KDE and Slackware will be in
version 4.0 which you can download the beta for right now. Also,
Mandrake I believe is just RedHat with KDE. Personally I have never
considered Caldera a viable choice since they charged $300 for their
distro.
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From: Chris Mauritz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Debian: still viable?
Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 08:09:12 GMT
Cameron Spitzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Gene Wilburn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>There's a 'non-stable' release called 'Potato' that runs on the Linux
>>2.2.X kernel but the 'stable' release (2.1) is back at 2.0.36.
>>
>>What's the word on Debian these days? Is it losing ground to the slicker
>>distros or is it holding its own?
> Within the last six months I've installed Red Hat 5.1, SuSE 6.0, and
> Debian 2.1. The installs are all equally easy. Debian takes the longest
> because it lets you make the most decisions. In my experience, it's
> the most complete, and the most stuff works when you're done.
> Red Hat's disk partitioning tool, network setup, and Xconfigurator were
> broken. And the one time we called Red Hat for the professional
> help desk support we paid the $40 for, they told us, sorry, we don't
> have any information about sound cards here.
> AFAIC, Emperor Red Hat wears no clothes.
> SuSE's X setup worked except the xterm font menu is broken.
> I'm typing this message on a Debian 2.1 desktop under 2.2.7.
> Debian 2.1 comes with 2.0.36 but it built and ran 2.2.7 with no problems.
I would agree that RedHat's phone support is bad. I've had a few clients
pay the support fee because they felt they "needed it" only to be disappointed
when they actually placed a call and got poor or no advice.
However, if you're comfortable supporting yourself, I've found that RH
is a bit quicker on the draw dealing with security issues and getting
patches up on their site.
I haven't used Debian much for quite some time so perhaps they've gotten
better on the security and patches front. If so, I'd say the dists are
more or less equivalent.
C
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Christopher Mauritz
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Cameron Spitzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Tough Question About Linux
Date: 9 May 1999 08:29:30 GMT
In article <7h3c4l$rcf$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> StarOffice 5.0 is included
>with the package. Is this the "full" StarOffice 5.0 or just a limited
>"personal edition"?
>We are looking for the best way to introduce this (Linux) into our
>organization and our clients.
My experience with StarOffice was unpleasant. Test Applix.
Applixware has done what I want in the office so far, while
StarOffice has blown up and required a reboot (by exploiting
Linux' relatively weak scheduler) when I tried to use its help.
>We are very impressed with the reviews but
>are concerned about a few things. Caldera uses KDE as the Gui and Redhat
>uses GNOME. Without actually using them, it's impossible to tell which is
>best and more importantly if one will become a standard.
Question your assumptions here. It is NOT necessary to try to "pick the
winner" in the free software space as in proprietary space.
Choose apps that will run under either, and wait.
>We also have questions about ... hardware
>compatibility.
> The test system has a HP820 CES deskjet printer and
>a Umax Astra 610p (parallel port connection). The system itself (CTX
>233mhz Pentium II) has a Soundblaster compatible sound card, Cirrus Logic
>546X AGP Video Card-4 meg video, 96 meg memory, Tatung 24x CD-Rom
>and a 4.3gig Quantum Eide Hard drive. It also has a 56k V.90 modem
>with the Lucent chipset (believe-not sure-this could be known as a
>Winmodem).
Winmodems will not work. There is no way to make them work.
But a real modem is only a few dollars more, and modems are so cheap
you can discard a Winmodem if you get one in a package deal.
The real financial risk is Winprinters. A friend of mine bought a
Lexmark at a warehouse club store. Thought he was saving money. Useless.
Check the HOWTOs for your scanner. Everything else should be supported
pretty well.
Cameron
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From: "D. Vrabel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How can X be so slow?
Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 10:41:24 +0100
On Sat, 8 May 1999, Donn Miller wrote:
>
> "Peter T. Breuer" wrote:
>
> >
> > Probably because you're trying to use an i740 at 24bpp and 1024x768.
> >
> > Don't. Use 16bpp, like its "designers" intended. Try it and see.
>
> I never could understand why people want to use 1024x768 on a 15"
> or smaller monitor. How can they see anything? 800x600 should
> be OK. Also, can the human eye tell the difference between 16bpp
> and 24bpp? There's probably a slight improvement, but it's not
> worth straining the HW when 800x600x16bpp is a reasonable
> compromise between appearance and performance.
You can tell the difference between 16 bpp and 24 bpp. Create a smooth
gradient (eg from black to white) and observe the banding at 16 bpp.
David
--
David Vrabel
Engineering Undergraduate at University of Cambridge, UK.
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From: "D. Vrabel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Newbie with Printer Problems
Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 10:45:57 +0100
On Sat, 8 May 1999, Farley Brant Carter wrote:
> My printer does not support the single linfeed that linux uses. Instead
> I need the linefeed/return.
>
> I know i need to set up an input filter but I do not know how to do
> this.
The Printing-HOWTO is what you need to read.
David
--
David Vrabel
Engineering Undergraduate at University of Cambridge, UK.
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From: "D. Vrabel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux-redhat
Subject: Re: Programming crashes my system
Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 11:04:14 +0100
On Sun, 9 May 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> I am using several programming languages on a Win98 environment :
> Borland's C/C++ compiler and Microsoft's VJ++ for Java 1.0. C allows me
> to use pointers and sometimes I get into infinite loops and while
> Windows can terminate these most these most of the time, on rare
> ocassions, it can't, or creates havoc in the system, forcing me to
> reboot. Same with Java. I think I did something or VJ++ did something
> and it might have messed up my registry, and caused "Explorer" to
> malfunction, and therefore would not let me boot up to Windows. I had to
>
> do a tedious re-install of Windows to solve that problem.
>
> My question is, what exactly is causing these problems? Is it a bad
> compiler? Is it an inherent danger in programming (especially with
> pointers in C)? Or, is it Window's fault for not "isolating" the problem
> program and letting it cause havoc?
It is Windows fault.
>
> And another important question, would Linux be a more stable environment
> to program C or Java in? I need an operating system that is stable and
> won't crash on me because of any programming mistakes I make. Or, is
> programming just plain "dangerous" to any OS? The specific Linux version
>
> I am talking about is Red Hat.
Linux is much more stable than Windows 95/98. You would never get the
scenario you discribed above. ie Any process can be killed at any point.
Rebooting is never (hardly ever) required. There is no binary registry to
mess up only text configuration files that are easily fixed by hand.
Programs cannot mess up the system anyway because they need permission to
write to the disk.
By the way, all the distributions of linux are essentially the same. The
only difference is the installation and configuration. If your after
stability you might be interested in Debian (http://www.debian.org/)
because it goes through a much more extensive testing phase.
David
--
David Vrabel
Engineering Undergraduate at University of Cambridge, UK.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Anthony Campbell)
Subject: Re: Debian: still viable?
Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 09:59:32 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, 08 May 1999 23:43:12 GMT, Gene Wilburn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I don't hear as much about the Debian distro as I used to. I visited the
>website today and it seems to be a bit behind the more commercial
>releases (Red Hat, Caldera, SuSE).
>
>There's a 'non-stable' release called 'Potato' that runs on the Linux
>2.2.X kernel but the 'stable' release (2.1) is back at 2.0.36.
>
>What's the word on Debian these days? Is it losing ground to the slicker
>distros or is it holding its own?
>
>I'd be interested in hearing from Debian users about what they see as
>the advantages of the Debian distro. I applaud it naming itself
>GNU/Linux and am half tempted to install it but I don't want to cut
>myself off from the Linux mainstream. Is it straightforward to install
>packages like Applixware on Debian? How about packages like Oracle for
>Linux? (Not a troll -- these are honest questions. I don't know any
>Debian users.)
>
>Any comments from any Debian fans out would be highly appreciated.
>
>Gene
I switched to Debian from RedHat over a year ago and certainly haven't
regretted it. It's not that I found anything very wrong with RedHat but
Debian is noticeably better. There are many more reliable packages
available; .deb files almost always work as advertised, and when they don't
I've invariably had helpful replies from the maintainers. Upgrading from
one major stable version to the next is simple. And as for kernels, I've
been using the 2.2.x series on my Debian 2.1 installation all along since
it appeared (currently 2.2.7) and had no problems at all.
Anthony
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