Linux-Misc Digest #123, Volume #20 Sun, 9 May 99 13:13:14 EDT
Contents:
Linux users in USA Counter (Jimmy Navarro)
Where can I get the latest poll.h? (hkchan)
Re: Programming crashes my system (Pete Barrett)
Re: How do I UNinstall a generic program? ("D. Vrabel")
Re: How old is the penguin mascot? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: How to access /dev/hdaX as a character device? ("Petter Nilsen")
Using a French Keyboard in X ("lancelot98")
Re: Boycott Intel on your own webpage (Murphy)
Re: Boycott Intel on your own webpage (Murphy)
Re: Pine 3.95 - How to change the "From:" field? (Holger Marzen)
Max Linux configuration (Alex Turner)
Installing Linux with Windows 9x (again!)... ("Graeme Fenwick")
Re: Newbie problem modem is always busy (AnOldCowboy)
Re: Pine 3.95 - How to change the "From:" field? ("Neall E. Doren")
Burn MP3 files to CDA Cdrom? (Mark Moran)
Re: does linux support compressed binaries? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Sun remote boot (Frank Sweetser)
Re: Pro-Unix vs anti-WinTel (Peter Mutsaers)
Re: Boycott Intel on your own webpage (Andrew Comech)
Problems with looking up hostnames after upgrade (Gambit32)
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From: Jimmy Navarro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Linux users in USA Counter
Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 02:12:46 -0700
Are you a Linux user? Is your name listed at
http://counter.li.org/bycountry/US.html. If not, go to 'count me too!'
at http://counter.li.org/enter-person.html... (-:
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From: hkchan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Where can I get the latest poll.h?
Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 18:26:21 +0800
Hi,
How do I get the latest header files such as poll.h, as my current Linux
Redhat 5.2 version does not have POLLRDNORM constant?
Please advice.
Thanks in advance.
Gerald Chan
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Barrett)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux-redhat
Subject: Re: Programming crashes my system
Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 11:19:55 GMT
On 9 May 1999 06:16:12 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore) wrote:
>Yes, in Windows you can do anything, up to and including formatting your
>drive -- all with no protection.
>
>Although something as specific as formatting your drive is unlikely, the
>old "thousand monkeys" can make it happen, or other things that damage
>your system forcing you to reinstall.
>
>A stray pointer can quite easily trash tables within the "OS" itself,
>without Windows stopping it or caring. You can even, with some skill,
>have Windows kill itself from a plain old user-land program. Windows is
>quite willing to run 'loadlin' and have the entire OS replace by Linux
>-- that is how unconcerned about self-preservation it is.
While I agree with you about the extra stability that Linux gives,
what you're saying is a myth that seems to got around about the nature
of protection in Windows.
In Win32, there _is_ protection for memory that doesn't belong to the
program (what do you think all those Access Violations are? <g>), and
this is fully implemented in NT. The problem for people trying to
program in Win95/98 is that in those OSs, underlying the Win32 kernel
etc. is still DOS, and DOS memory cannot be protected (except for a
very small amount - 4K I think, but am not sure - at the very
beginning of addressable memory), because of the nature of the OS. So
stray pointers can corrupt DOS memory under Win95/98, but not under
NT.
But yes, you can format the hard disk in 95/98, as is natural in an OS
which doesn't have the concept of individual access rights.
Pete Barrett
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From: "D. Vrabel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How do I UNinstall a generic program?
Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 10:54:10 +0100
On Sun, 9 May 1999, Geoff Stanbury wrote:
> I'm running Slackware 3.6 with the 2.2.6 kernel.
>
> After installing loads of different programs and libraries from the
> source code (rather than from the slackware-specific tarballs) I have
> a few cool things on my hard drive that I want to keep, and oodles of
> things that I want to remove.
>
> How does one safely, cleanly, and completely remove a program? I
> realize that some allow for a simple "make uninstall," but most do
> not. Is there some particular program that probes everything related
> to a binary (such as Windows 9x's "Cleansweep" or "Uninstaller"), or
> is there a standard procedure or something?
>
> To make an extreme example, say I want to remove Enlightenment. That
> means I'd like to remove everything that came with Enlightenment
> itself, along with some other stuff that was required, such as Fnlib.
> Specifically what was thrown onto my hard drive in the process of
> installing Enlightenment, I'm not sure of.
Read the makefile to find out what was installed where.
David
--
David Vrabel
Engineering Undergraduate at University of Cambridge, UK.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: How old is the penguin mascot?
Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 11:09:47 +0059
Joe Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: How old is Tux? I tried searching for the date of his inception on
: http://www.isc.tamu.edu/~lewing/linux/ and
: http://www.linux.org/info/penguin.html but had no luck.
: -Joe
A slightly ambiguous question. Do you mean:
a) When was the Tux logo first released?
or
b) `How old is Tux?` as in Can he vote? Does he have any chicks? When
might he want to retire?
:-)
--
============================================================================
Richard Simpson
Farnborough, Hants, Uk Fax: 01252 392118
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I am not aware of any views shared by myself and my employers.
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From: "Petter Nilsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How to access /dev/hdaX as a character device?
Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 14:36:24 +0200
William Burrow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Sat, 8 May 1999 22:54:38 +0200,
> Petter Nilsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >using Sybase Adaptive Server Enterprise, and it's separate devices in
/dev
> >on HP-UX, but I have been unable to find this on Linux. What gives? Where
> >are they?
>
> They aren't on Linux, that is for sure. Documentation/devices.txt
certainly
> doesn't turn up any hd disk character devices.
What I did find out is that /dev/hdaX etc. can be accessed as if they are
character devices, so there's not need for a separate character device.
That information was hard to find to put it mildly.
- Petter
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From: "lancelot98" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Using a French Keyboard in X
Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 16:09:29 +0200
Hi all,
Ever since upgrading to kernel 2.2, my MS Natural Keyboard (French layout)
has been acting strangely under X. For one thing, my arrow keys don't work,
I have to use the numerical pad. But more importantly, I can't get the right
<Alt> key to work properly. It's supposed to act as another <shift> key and
is the only way for me to enter '@', from a combo of <right alt> + '0'.
Instead, it considers <right Alt> as another <Enter> key!!!
I tried changing the XF86Config in /etc/X11, but it doesn't seem to work -
maybe I'm doing it wrong. The strange part is that Linux recognises the
AZERTY layout, but won't give me full functionality.
I'm using RedHat 5.2 and this problem didn't occur with the old kernel. This
problem only occurs when I'm in X - in the command prompt, everything works
fine.
Lancelot98
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Murphy)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Boycott Intel on your own webpage
Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 15:47:28 GMT
On 6 May 1999 17:12:49 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew Comech)
wrote this little gem:
>I do not agree with you: OK, they will learn that I prefer Beavis and Butthead
>and South Park to any other cartoon and that I do not watch baseball; I do not
>mind. But having access to a PSN, they might know about _every hit of a key_
>one makes. In two years, this will reveal everything about one's life: the
>favorite drug store, kids' school, one's travel plans, day's schedule... And
>this all would be linked to a particular individual (driver's license #.....).
>There is a lot more; this is just from the top of my head.
Uh...are we a tad paranoid or what?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Murphy)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Boycott Intel on your own webpage
Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 15:47:27 GMT
On 6 May 1999 13:39:22 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew Comech)
wrote this little gem:
>>When he says MAC addresses, he doesn't mean MACintosh, he means MAC
>>address, as in ethernet address, the address that IP addresses are
>>finally translated to. And he is right, since MAC addresses are more or
>>less unique. A site could theoretically track these just as they could
>>do with the hostid on a Solaris machine, or the Processor# in a PIII.
>
>Oops.
>Anyways, IP addresses are dynamically assigned when you dial up from home,
>so who cares (although a netmask 255.0.0.0 would be good).
MAC addresses are the actual identifier of the Ethernet card, not the
IP address of your machine. In fact these numbers are so unique that
there is software out there that uses them as a means of registration.
>That is, this would be jungles of methods and and contra-methods which enable
>or disable PSN, where only brave [hackers] are able to overcome PSN in their
>computers. Do we want to face all that in a year or two, or do we just keep the
>voice up trying to avoid PSNs completely?
Cry me a f'n river. If you don't like this PSN, then don't buy Intel.
Personally, I could give a rat's ass about whether or not software
distributes the serial number of my CPU. At worst, it'll have no
effect on me, at best, if my machine ever gets stolen, I may be able
to recover it.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Holger Marzen)
Crossposted-To: comp.mail.pine,comp.mail.smail,comp.mail.smail,alt.2600,comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: Pine 3.95 - How to change the "From:" field?
Date: 9 May 1999 12:14:39 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Tomer Saar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I'm using Pine 3.95 on a Solaris 2.6 (text-only terminal).
>How can I change the "From" field permanentely? I know how to add a
>"Reply-To" field, but then I have to enter my email address every time,
>and people can see the default mail address that pine gives me.
Pine has to be compiled with 'ALLOW_CHANGING_FROM' enabled. THen you can
change your FROM in 'custom headers'. Get and compile a new version
(4.10).
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From: Alex Turner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Max Linux configuration
Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 08:49:45 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I am looking into the possibility of using Linux boxes for a central
server system, and I am wondering a few things...
How big can Linux go?
What is the max memory that Linux can use?
How big a hard disk can Linux deal with?
Are there any databases that make use of the beowolf distro well or
Network processing?
Are there any people out there using Linux for central servers, and if
so, what are they like? What big systems are people running on Linux?
TIA
Alex Turner ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: "Graeme Fenwick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Installing Linux with Windows 9x (again!)...
Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 14:17:01 GMT
Once you've let the sensation of d�ja-vu wash over you, you might realise
that I originally posted this question about a month ago- namely, what's the
best way to install Linux without risking the W95 installation (and more
importantly, the data) on my existing drive? And, no, I don't have a backup
device :-(
David Martin had suggested buying a second hard drive and installing it on
that. There are two problems with this...
- Firstly, how would I go about this? Most guides to installing Linux
seem to assume that you'll be installing it on an existing drive, and my
knowledge of PC hardware isn't good enough to fathom the solution to this on
my own...
- Secondly, the cost. Buying a brand-new hard drive would cost �80+ for
the cheapest, and I don't reckon I'd need one that big anyway. At the other
end of the scale are the old drives (10-120Mb) that could probably be got
for next to nothing- no good unfortunately, as I've worked out that 0.5Mb is
really the smallest workable solution. Is there a good (general) source of
drives in that range, at a reasonable price?
Thanks in advance.
--
======================================================================
"What do you mean, spontaneous human combustion?! Dammit! I was
promised they'd get that Halt and Catch Fire instruction removed
before we went into production."
"Good job it wasn't our flagship model, Sir."
======================================================================
Graeme Fenwick
- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Don't forget to remove "BYESPAM" filter if replying by mail)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (AnOldCowboy)
Subject: Re: Newbie problem modem is always busy
Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 15:23:20 GMT
On Thu, 06 May 1999 20:36:59 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(AnOldCowboy) wrote:
>I'm useing Caldera V1.3 and kppp. I have a USR v90 voice internal
>modem. It's not a winmodem, at least it worked with Redhat 5.2.
>When ever I try to dial out or query the modem it says that it is
>sorry the modem is busy. Being a newbie, I'm not sure what other info
>to you might need or how to get it. Have been reading HOW TO'S,
>man pages,help pages, info pages,newsgroups and have'nt
>found any thing that address this problem. Any help would be great.
>TIA
I found the problem, conflicting irq's was generating the "modem
busy" message. Thanks to all who responded.
AnOldCowboy
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From: "Neall E. Doren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.mail.pine,comp.mail.smail,comp.mail.smail,alt.2600,comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: Pine 3.95 - How to change the "From:" field?
Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 09:24:06 -0600
On 9 May 1999 at 12:14pm, Holger Marzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> scribbled:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Tomer Saar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >I'm using Pine 3.95 on a Solaris 2.6 (text-only terminal).
>
> Pine has to be compiled with 'ALLOW_CHANGING_FROM' enabled. THen you can
> change your FROM in 'custom headers'. Get and compile a new version
> (4.10).
I think we had this discussion... and determined the default 4.10
distribution has "ALLOW_CHANGING_FROM" enabled already. That is, the
ability to enable it, as discussed in Option 1)
You will need 4.10, though.
Option 1)
In your .pinerc file, to the customized headers field, use:
customized-hdrs=From: Your Name <your_email@wherever>
Also to your .pinerc file, to the feature-list field, add:
allow-changing-from
OR
Option 2)
Learn to use "Roles." From within pine, type (S)etup, (R)oles, then
(?) for information.
N.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark Moran )
Subject: Burn MP3 files to CDA Cdrom?
Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 13:26:22 GMT
I've got XCDROAST, CDROM burner and a bunch of MP3 files I want to
put onto audio CD's. What's the easiest way to getting the MP3 into
CDA format and onto to the CD's. I don't see any MP3 -> CDA format
utilities for linux. Will XCDROAST automatically convert WAV files to
the proper format for an audio cd?
Mark Moran
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.mmoran.com/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: does linux support compressed binaries?
Date: 9 May 1999 14:04:29 GMT
In article <3734fe89$0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>
>In article <7h2jam$7aj$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>|
>| In article <3734afb0$0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>| >
>| >Thanks for all the pointers to gzexe(1) ... looks like that'll do the
>| >trick (signal problems, aside).
>|
>| There's now an better program than gzexe for compressing linux
executibles,
>| it's callled UPX...
>
>Thanks for the info on UPX ...!
>
>The docs seem to indicate that it is still "a work in progress" WRT
>linux support (beta-level product, from the sound of it).
>
>Would you happen to know just how robust/bug-free such support is,
>in the current release?
>
>In any case, I *will* look into it ...
>
>/kim
I use the linux port on my RedHat 5.2 system with no problems whatsoever.
I've compressed both text-mode and X11 programs such as emacs and netscape
and have not seen any problems running the compressed programs yet.
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From: Frank Sweetser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sun remote boot
Date: 09 May 1999 11:36:25 -0400
Jon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I cant remote my sparc from Intel RedHat 5.1 ??
>
> The kernal doesnt suport RARP.
>
>
> Does anyone have a RARP module ???
you should. have you tried 'modprobe rarp'? if not, you need to compile
it into your kernel - see the kernel howto at http://metalab.unc.edu/LDP
--
Frank Sweetser rasmusin at wpi.edu fsweetser at blee.net | PGP key available
paramount.ind.wpi.edu RedHat 5.2 kernel 2.2.5 i586 | at public servers
(Never thought I'd be telling Malcolm and Ilya the same thing... :-)
-- Larry Wall in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: Peter Mutsaers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Pro-Unix vs anti-WinTel
Date: 09 May 1999 13:11:46 +0200
>> "j" == jik- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
j> What is it that glibc2 offers over libc5 that would cause this mass
j> migration besides hype? Something I have always wondered.
I think support for some 2.2 features such as SMP
j> What is wrong with the ELF file format? What does it offer over a.out?
j> If a lot, then no it is not to their credit....if a.out is better then
j> they should have stuck with it.
Elf is better than a.out in some ways but it's not too important. An
important reason to switch was that FreeBSD also uses the GNU
binutils, compiler etc. And the GNU binutils toolset nowadays offers
good support for ELF but not anymore for a.out. So the main reason was
practical; also for the Linux emulation where you run ELF programs
nowadays there had to be ELF support anyways.
--
Peter Mutsaers | Abcoude (Utrecht), | Trust me, I know
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | the Netherlands | what I'm doing.
===============+=====================+==================
Powered by FreeBSD (-current). See http://www.freebsd.org
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew Comech)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Boycott Intel on your own webpage
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 9 May 1999 12:18:48 -0500
On Sun, 09 May 1999 15:47:27 GMT, Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On 6 May 1999 13:39:22 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew Comech)
>wrote this little gem:
>
>>>When he says MAC addresses, he doesn't mean MACintosh, he means MAC
>>>address, as in ethernet address, the address that IP addresses are
>>>finally translated to. And he is right, since MAC addresses are more or
>>>less unique. A site could theoretically track these just as they could
>>>do with the hostid on a Solaris machine, or the Processor# in a PIII.
>>
>>Oops.
>>Anyways, IP addresses are dynamically assigned when you dial up from home,
>>so who cares (although a netmask 255.0.0.0 would be good).
>
>MAC addresses are the actual identifier of the Ethernet card, not the
>IP address of your machine. In fact these numbers are so unique that
>there is software out there that uses them as a means of registration.
I have heard it is used for registrating things like Mathematica, and that
one is in trouble when changing an ethernet card..
Ethernet cards address do not reveal much: most people connect to an ISP
via modem. At work or whatever, where the ethernet is used, Microsoft
does not have much reason to watch what you do (that's not for industry
espionage, at least not legally; this would be used to learn more about
your tastes/hobbies/whatever and to sell this information to vendors).
What's bad, though, is that things will change when cable modems are
here; then bad guys would be _real happy_..
>
>>That is, this would be jungles of methods and and contra-methods which enable
>>or disable PSN, where only brave [hackers] are able to overcome PSN in their
>>computers. Do we want to face all that in a year or two, or do we just keep the
>>voice up trying to avoid PSNs completely?
>
>Cry me a f'n river. If you don't like this PSN, then don't buy Intel.
This is not the matter of my personal taste. If _many_ people buy
Intel, then they retain their monopoly, then other manufacturers would
have to follow Intel's rules and start stamping PSNs as well ("our
customers want PSN"). At this moment, though, it seems that PSN is
not to spread further.. But I certainly do not know.
>Personally, I could give a rat's ass about whether or not software
>distributes the serial number of my CPU. At worst, it'll have no
>effect on me, at best, if my machine ever gets stolen, I may be able
>to recover it.
Do you ever think about anything but your ass? "Mama someone has
stolen my PC!!" "Do not live it in the garden with your toys."
To mention, CPU is not the only pricy thing in the box..
No regards,
Andrew
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gambit32)
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux.slackware,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Problems with looking up hostnames after upgrade
Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 16:27:24 GMT
we recently upgraded from slackware 3.1 to 3.6, and now our machine is
having severe problems getting hosts from ips.
TCP wrappers should give out the username@host when we connect to our
server, but that doesnt work. it gives usernam@ip.
In my perl scripts and includes on my web page
(http://www.academic.marist.edu/carob/) it should be saying came from
host / ip but that doesnt work either.
Even more peculiar, we have listings in /etc/hosts like
148.100.215.108 area51.groom-lake.nv.us area51
When i connect to the machine, it used to say
"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" but it wont even do THAT anymore.
I have no idea exactly where the problem is. Ive checked the kernel,
my perl scripts, ive recompiled my wrapper program. im just lost!
PLEASE anyone who can help. PLEASE.
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