Linux-Misc Digest #123, Volume #21 Thu, 22 Jul 99 13:13:07 EDT
Contents:
Re: Spanning Compressed Image (Jim Reidford)
Re: Print queue stuck? (Mark Tranchant)
Re: slackware 4.0 - glib2? (Mark Tranchant)
RH Linux hangs with a 100Base-T network board (Jonathan Bayer)
Re: open with default app - how to set? (Arun Thomas)
Re: Large Swap Help ("Andrew")
Permissions Executing Perl ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: CIA assassinations (MK)
Re: Marx vs. Nozick (MK)
Re: Quicken clone? ("Eric Powell")
Re: Marx vs. Nozick (MK)
settime?! (Knuth Posern)
Re: Quicken clone? (Timothy Dixon)
Ericsson SH888 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
src.rpm vs rpm (Arun Thomas)
Kernel Oops (Pieter Dumon)
Re: CIA assassinations (Richard Kulisz)
Re: Relicensing code which was licensed ala BSD or X11. (Jeremy Nelson)
Re: CIA assassinations (Richard Kulisz)
Re: CIA assassinations (Richard Kulisz)
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From: Jim Reidford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Spanning Compressed Image
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 13:53:32 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Edward Ned Harvey wrote:
>
> I want to compress files, and span the compressed image(s) across several
> disks. g(un)zip and tar don't seem to have the capabilities to do that.
> Can anybody suggest how to do this?
Check the man entry for tar, there is an option for 'multiple volumes'
In the past I've created an archive, then compressed it and tarred that
across a number of floppies. Bit time consuming but it works
--
Jim Reidford
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the light at the end of the tunnel
has been turned off until further notice !!"
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From: Mark Tranchant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Print queue stuck?
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 14:14:36 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Check /etc/printcap, make sure it has teh correct device selected.
Mark.
toby wrote:
>
> I don't know much about how SuSE sets up its rc directories (Been with
> RedHat for 3 years). Try this: /etc/rc.d/init.d/lpd restart Sounds like the
> daemon isn't running at all. I'd clear that print queue too as you may have
> to buy a bunch of toner if the queue is chock full.
>
> toby
>
> Andy Johnson wrote:
>
> > I have recently installed SuSE 6.1 and compiled a kernel (2.2.7) for my
> > machine. The modules and hardware seem to work, because I can cat
> > >/dev/lp0, type a few lines, control-L control-D and get a
> > (stair-stepped) printed page. However, when I lpr a file, it just sits
> > in the queue. What do I have to do to get this going?
> >
> > Andy Johnson
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Mark Tranchant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: slackware 4.0 - glib2?
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 14:18:08 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thomas Zajic wrote:
> Shouldn't be necessary though - I did a fresh install of Slack 3.6
> recently, and have the base system running with libc5, while all the
> self-compiled stuff is glibc2. Of course I had to recompile some libs
> (gtk, Qt, ...) with glibc2 in addition to the already existing libc5
> ones to make self-compiled apps depending on these (KDE, ...) work
> with glibc2, but that's not too hard. Now I have, for example, Slack's
> original gimp package running with the libc5 gtk+ libs, and a self-
> compiled glibc2 KDE running with re-compiled glibc2 Qt libs, all
> under Slack's original libc5 XFree86.
>
> Works Fine For Me[tm], and I'd also expect this to work on Slack 4.0
> without any problems.
This must soak up memory, though, with all those different-versioned
shared libraries taking up space? I recompiled all X-based stuff and the
standard file and text utils, so the only libc5 libraries in use are
libc and libm for some console apps that I haven't yet recompiled. Most
of the time I doubt libc5 is resident.
Mark.
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From: Jonathan Bayer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RH Linux hangs with a 100Base-T network board
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 13:44:51 GMT
I have a puzzling problem with a Linux installation. It works fine
with a 10Base-T board installed, but when I install a 100Base-T board
the system will hang after a few minutes, but only if there are other
computers on the network. It's not the boards or the drivers because I
bought a totally different board and had the exact same problem. My
system configurations are below:
My system configuration:
Micron Pentium 100, using a Micronics motherboard. The Phoenix bios
was just updated.
32 meg memory
Red Hat Linux 6.0, off the CD's with no updates. The kernel is 2.2.5.
Samba
Diamond Stealth 2000 video board
Two hard disks, both with gigabytes of space available.
The network boards:
SMC EtherPower II, using the Epic100 chipset. I have the 1.07 version
of the Epic driver, I also tried the 1.06 version
Netgear FA310FX, using the Netgear supplied driver (a modified 0.89
tulip driver)
The network:
1 Windows NT 4.0 SP3 client
1 Windows 95 client (sometimes a Win-NT client)
The network is a local network using the addresses 192.168.1.*, with a
netmask of 255.255.255.0
The symptoms:
Boot all systems, all boot up. All client systems are able to see and
use the Linux Samba shares. Pings all work properly, including
multiple ping sessions on the nt box to the linux box using a packet
size of 64,000.
If no clients are booted, the linux box works fine. When at least one
of the clients are booted and running, EVEN THOUGH NOTHING IS BEING
DONE, the linux box will freeze after a period of time between 5
minutes and 1 hour, but usually closer to 5-10 minutes. A physical
reset is needed to get the linux box back. The only network traffic is
whatever the Windows systems do on their own when looking at the
network for SMB shares.
The crazy thing is when I have an SMC-Ultra network board installed (a
10Base-T board), there are no problems.
I also disabled Samba and the same problem occurred.
My final test was to turn off networking but leave Samba on. This time
there was no problem. No hang.
I reconfigured the kernel and set the option for a slow CPU, then reran
all the tests again. The problem is still here.
I also moved the video board and the network boards to different PCI
slots with no change.
My only conclusion is either there is a fundumental flaw in the kernel
or networking code which causes the failures at high speed, or there is
some sort of hardware problem going on which I can't figure out. I
can't believe it is the kernel or networking code, because other people
would have had these problems also. However, I also can't believe it
is the hardware, since everything else works well. The ONLY thing I
can think of is that the video board and the network boards aer somehow
interacting, but have no idea how.
Do you have any suggestions or ideas?
Thanks greatly in advance.
Jonathan Bayer
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From: Arun Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: open with default app - how to set?
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 09:24:51 -0400
Sorry about that. I'm using redhat 6.0 with Gnome/enlightenment.
Thanks
Arun
"John C. Peterson" wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Arun Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said,
>and I quote:
> >How do u set a default application to open files of a certain type. I
> >want to set x11amp as my default app for MP3's.
> >
> Unless this question was meant for The Psychic Hot Line, you will need
> to provide much more specific information before anyone can even
> pretend to help you. In particular, which Linux distribution and X11
> Window Manager are you using? There are literally dozens of choices,
> and the answer depends on which one you have / use.
>
> Regards, John
>
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From: "Andrew" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Large Swap Help
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 09:23:43 -0500
Can it only access up to 2GB? I have compiled a kernel that recognizes 3GB
of RAM in the system (I actually have 4GB), does this mean that it will have
problems if it tries accessing any more than the first 2 GB?
Also, on a deeper level, why only 2GB? I would think it's slightly less
than 4GB because of the 32 bit processors (PII Xeon).
Regards,
Andrew
Gergo Barany wrote in message ...
>In article <7n5ade$4pi$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Andrew wrote:
>>I'm currently running linux kernel 2.2.10 with a couple of personal
>>modifications, and I need swap partitions that are slightly larger than
2GB
>>(1GB = 1024^3 bytes). I have created partitions that are 2100MB, but when
I
>>mkswap, it truncates down to 2047M. Any suggestions on how to get this to
>>work would be greatly appreciated. I think it's a file size limitation
>>problem, but if anyone knows of any fixes, that would be great.
>
>On i386 systems (and probably most others, too), Linux can only access
>up to 2 GB of total memory (physical+swap); that's why your partition is
>truncated. If you need more, consider getting a new system, or get the
>program that needs this much memory to write stuff it doesn't need to
>the disk by itself (which is going to be a pain).
>
>Gergo
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Permissions Executing Perl
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 14:23:06 GMT
Hi,
This might be a daft question but I can't execute any isdnctrl commands
from within perl called from a cgi script in Apache as a user from IE 5
on a Win 98 machine.
I am trying to build a script that will enable users to connect to the
Internet via their own browser. The call is correct I am
using 'System...' but the permissions are wrong,what is the process.
I am realtively new to Linux and have managed to setup Samba, Squid,
Apache, Network etc. The only thing I can't do is execute any commands
logged in as a user, only as root. Can someone point me in the right
direction.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (MK)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 13:50:49 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 21 Jul 1999 15:56:55 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan
Rebbechi) wrote:
>On Wed, 21 Jul 1999 21:06:38 +0200, A.T.Z. wrote:
>
>>I work >90hours a week. Don't want to pay for someone who only wants to get
>>money from social security.
>
>I think you are failing to distinguish between "unemployed" and "willfully
>unemployed"
Not quite. International Labour Office defines unemployed as somebody
who _sought_ for work for four weeks before showing up in work office
and did not find job in following two weeks.
>>if they don't succeed. There is nothing to gain with redistribution.
>Without some form of redistribution, you won't have a public
>education or health system,
You mean publik edukation and disease system?
Canadian doctors are going to US when they are sick for treatment.
>and the poor people will have no
>opportunities to advance.
It's the opposite: if the government redistributes wealth, it is
_certain_ the poor won't advance. Because the only way
anybody can really advance is catering to customer's interest;
if the wealth is redistributed, those who pay high taxes, can
demand something from the government, and that is as much
monopoly as possible. Then, they don't need to cater to customers,
and subsequently they don't need PSA workers -- Poor, Smart,
Ambitious, as the success of enterprise depends on government
paid and granted monopoly, not customer's choice.
>>> I think redistribution is good preventative medicine. It solves a lot of
>>> problems. However, you can take a horse to water, but ...
>>
>>Yeah, learn the horse how to get water.
>Which costs money which these horses don't have. Which involves some kind
>of redistribution. I am not advocating "Robin Hood" politics, but rather
>policies that create opportunities for everyone.
Now you're talking nonsense. Opportunity can not be created for
anyone! If I am not skilled accountant, no amount of government
creating such jobs gives me opportunity. It is some enterprise's
_needs_ that create opportunities! You can't mandate enterprise
having needs that can be paid for! There's no such thing
as any political system creating the tiniest bit of opportunity. This
is _need_ and _enlightened self interest_ of some that can
provide opportunities only. All the government can provide is the
dole. That's the nature of the problem.
Marcin Krol
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you cease believing in it - VALIS, Philip K. Dick
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (MK)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Marx vs. Nozick
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 15:02:07 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 18 Jul 1999 13:39:35 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stefaan A
Eeckels) wrote:
>> Socialism is based on cooperation and democracy while capitalism
>> is based on competition (ie, War) and dictatorship. You can't run
>> the world on destruction alone but you sure as bloody hell *can*
>> run it on construction alone! The same applies to honesty vs. lies
>> in moral philosophy. The situation is *not* symmetric.
>>
>> So while it's obvious that Libertarians are full of shit and idiots
>> besides, the Marxists have hit upon a fundamental principle of nature.
>Harumph. The natural world *does* run on competition, rather
>than on cooperation: competition for food and living space,
>both inter and intra species.
Well, not quite -- it runs on coopetition and cooperation _both_. On
free market, people both cooperate and compete. Just in different
situations. Without cooperation whatsoever, there's no synergy of
people's actions and thus productivity is low. Without competition,
society enters marasm. It's just about getting both in a right way.
Marcin Krol
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From: "Eric Powell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: redhat.general
Subject: Re: Quicken clone?
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 11:05:10 -0400
Reply-To: "Eric Powell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I have been trying to get Wine (and Quicken under Wine) working to solve
this very problem... no luck so far....
I have also started sending e-mail top Intuit periodically requesting a
Linux port of Quicken (but I am not holding my breath).
This brings up an issues I have been cogitating about recently - the
protocol used to interface with the online banking systems- is this an open
protocol or proprietary? Should there be a push for a more open protocol for
this to promote Free Software development in this area?
Leonard Evens wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Are there any open software checkbook programs out there?
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (MK)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Marx vs. Nozick
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 15:04:03 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 18 Jul 1999 11:35:36 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Kulisz)
wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>Matthias Warkus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Socialism works in well-defined parts of the society (e.g.
>>agricultural cooperatives; NB I'm not talking about Kolchozes, but
>>about the kind of cooperative you find in Germany), as does
>>capitalism.
>
>The free market works in NO situation.
Funny -- becaues illegal, black market for food is what kept me from
starving during socialism. Somehow, it worked quite well.
>Capitalism, understood as
>dictatorship by the capitalists, "works" only if human dignity and
>human needs are irrelevant.
Emotional non-sequitur.
>>It's the Marxist-Leninists' fault to think one can run a whole society
>>on socialism as well as it is the Libertarians' fault that one can run
>>the works on capitalism.
>Socialism is based on cooperation and democracy while capitalism
>is based on competition (ie, War) and dictatorship.
So, how many capitalists today have put you under gunpoint to
buy their products?
Marcin Krol
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From: Knuth Posern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: settime?!
Date: 22 Jul 1999 15:07:53 GMT
Hi.
I would like to set the time each hour or day by calling
"netdate NetDateServerIP1 NetDateServerIP2".
Hmmm and now I wondered about how to manage this.
If I use cron, I don't want to get a mail EACH time! - But the
netdate-call must be executed with root-uid. And I don't want to set
MAIL=
in /etc/crontab - to avoid sending ANY mail...
So I thought of using an extra user-crontab-file (named
as the user, that's: /var/cron/tabs/root).
Here is the content of this file (/var/cron/tabs/root):
SHELL=/bin/sh
PATH=/usr/sbin
MAILTO=
01 * * * * netdate 123.123.123.123 123.123.123.123
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
But cron does send a mail for this each time! - And this is annoying.
How can I stop the mail-delivery (for this netdate-call) each time (every
hour),
or what is another good way to set the time each hour or day?
Bye,
Knuth.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Timothy Dixon)
Crossposted-To: redhat.general
Subject: Re: Quicken clone?
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 15:28:23 GMT
On Thu, 22 Jul 1999 11:05:10 -0400, "Eric Powell"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>This brings up an issues I have been cogitating about recently - the
>protocol used to interface with the online banking systems- is this an open
>protocol or proprietary? Should there be a push for a more open protocol for
>this to promote Free Software development in this area?
>
I think it's open, but I don't know where to start looking. If not, I
would hope it is for security reasons (thousands of people find more
flaws than dozens of people).
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Ericsson SH888
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 15:24:21 GMT
Hey!
Has anybody expierence by installing the Ericsson
SH888 on a Notebook running Linux?
Especially I have a HP OmniBook 3000 with Suse
6.1 running.
It's a very easy question but I expect I very
diffucult answer, so pls. help me
thx
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From: Arun Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: src.rpm vs rpm
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 11:16:32 -0400
What is the difference between a src.rpm and rpm? Does a src.rpm just
include source code as well as binaries? Could you please respond to my
email.
Thanks
Arun
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pieter Dumon)
Subject: Kernel Oops
Date: 22 Jul 1999 15:29:15 GMT
While switching from text to X screen, the screen of our Linux server
blanked (both X and text mode) and didn't return. We couldn't do anything
anymore using the console, and had to access the machine over the network.
In /var/log/messages , we saw this strange (well, it's strange for us)
errormessage:
kernel: Oops: 0000
kernel: CPU: 0
No other messages followed. What's going on? The system is a Pentium
II-400, ASUS AGP V2740, with Debian 2.1
Pieter Dumon
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Kulisz)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: 22 Jul 1999 15:35:59 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
MK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>"Those who don't distinguish power of a dollar and power of a whip,
>will learn the difference on their own backs" -- Ayn Rand.
Do you realize you're quoting someone who denies Aristotelian logic?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jeremy Nelson)
Subject: Re: Relicensing code which was licensed ala BSD or X11.
Date: 22 Jul 1999 15:40:25 GMT
Bryan S. Doyle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I'll refer to BSD/X11-type licenses as "X11" licenses hereafter. I'll
>use "IP" for "Intellectual Property". (IP is the new-and-improved term
>for the older "Proprietary Information", which doesn't work well among
>people who call GPLed IP "non-proprietary". Aren't words fun?)
This is the BSD license, from /usr/src/COPYRIGHT from freebsd-3.1:
---- snip ----
Copyright 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994
The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.
Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with or without
modification, are permitted provided that the following conditions
are met:
1. Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright
notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer.
2. Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above copyright
notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer in the
documentation and/or other materials provided with the distribution.
3. All advertising materials mentioning features or use of this software
must display the following acknowledgement:
This product includes software developed by the University of
California, Berkeley and its contributors.
4. Neither the name of the University nor the names of its contributors
may be used to endorse or promote products derived from this software
without specific prior written permission.
THIS SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED BY THE REGENTS AND CONTRIBUTORS ``AS IS'' AND
ANY EXPRESS OR IMPLIED WARRANTIES, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE
IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE
ARE DISCLAIMED. IN NO EVENT SHALL THE REGENTS OR CONTRIBUTORS BE LIABLE
FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, EXEMPLARY, OR CONSEQUENTIAL
DAMAGES (INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, PROCUREMENT OF SUBSTITUTE GOODS
OR SERVICES; LOSS OF USE, DATA, OR PROFITS; OR BUSINESS INTERRUPTION)
HOWEVER CAUSED AND ON ANY THEORY OF LIABILITY, WHETHER IN CONTRACT, STRICT
LIABILITY, OR TORT (INCLUDING NEGLIGENCE OR OTHERWISE) ARISING IN ANY WAY
OUT OF THE USE OF THIS SOFTWARE, EVEN IF ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF
SUCH DAMAGE.
---- snip ---
The important thing to note is that the conditions to be met do *not*
require that the paragraph:
Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with or without
modification, are permitted provided that the following conditions
are met:
Be included in the resulting derived work -- thus, a derived work does
not neccesarily have to come with source, nor does it have to be freely
redistrbutable. The license *does not require* but *does permit* it.
You may ask "But doesn't it require the list of conditions to be included,
and they speak of redistributions of source and binary?" Yes -- but
permission to do that is predicated only upon the prior paragraph -- the
paragraph that gives permission to redistribute. The list of conditions
only gives the conditions under which the source and binaries may be
redistributed, but it does *NOT* itself give permission to do so.
(I don't know about the X license, i dont have it handy.)
Jeremy
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Kulisz)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: 22 Jul 1999 15:39:05 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Jay Maynard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On 22 Jul 1999 06:43:20 GMT, Richard Kulisz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Chris L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>Who says I don't need that extra car or second home on the lake
>>>or that ski trip or whatever else I choose to buy with what I have?
>>You *don't* and that's that.
>
>You, sir, are the fascist. You want to dictate who can do what based on your
You, sir, are an idiot. The only thing I've dictated is that it was obvious
to the most brain-dead twerp that an extra car is not a necessity. Bravo,
you've just disproved it.
>own prejudices and beliefs, and you believe that that control should be
>total. You want to lower the entire world to your own level, rather than
>allow others to succeed.
If "succeed" means having power over other human beings, then I want nobody
to succeed. What the fuck is "succeed" supposed to mean in the first place?
Succeed at *WHAT*?
>I can see that your arguments are completely unsullied by any speck of
>reality. You also insist that redefining words is an acceptable means of
>argument. Trying to reason with you is thus utterly pointless. Good day,
>sir.
>
>*plonk*
Good riddance.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Kulisz)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: 22 Jul 1999 15:32:55 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
MK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On 22 Jul 1999 06:43:20 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Kulisz)
>wrote:
>>wealth can be put to different purposes but primarily it is to acquire:
>> 1) necessities (food, shelter, clothing)
>> 2) toys (second car, bigger house, faster computer)
>> 3) power over other human beings
>
>Wrong.
>
>Definition of wealth is PERFECTLY subjective. Thus, there is no value
>of commodity, only price. You confuse "frequent" with "objective".
EVERYONE will agree that food, shelter and clothing have higher value
than a car. If anything is universal, /that's/ it. Your idiot argument
"there is no objective value" is only intended as a basis from which
to attack all morality (ie "morality is subjective so the Free Market
doesn't need to concern itself with that"). Take the advice of your
betters and shut up about things you don't understand you little toad.
>>redistributing wealth is *absolutely necessary* in order to guarantee
>>that everyone has #1, on this even the most conservative economists agree.
>
>Don't think so.
But then, you deny that concentration of capital is an economic reality.
What the bloody hell do *you* know?
>>Incentives can run the full spectrum of #2. And this is only financial
>>incentives. Non-financial incentives are what built Linux so you're in
>>a very poor place to be saying crap like that nobody would work.
>
>Nope. _Every_ thing that is seen as valuable is sought for subjective
Absolutely wrong, you mindless cretin. If you don't have the necessities,
you *DIE*; doesn't get any more objective than that.
>reasons. Among humans there is disagreement on everything, even
>on whether it is worth to live at all. Some say yes, some say no, and
Again, absolutely wrong you little twerp. People who suicide have
something missing which they value greatly. Those who counsel them
away from suicide either 1) believe that human values can be changed
at a whim, 2) are idiots who don't understand the other person at
all, or 3) believe the situation (lack of whatever the person needs)
is transient (possibly because of #1).
Mere existence has no value and *EVERYONE* will agree to that. To
make your statement anywhere near correct, you have to be speaking
of people in completely different states of existence, but then
that makes your statement just a bunch of bullshit.
>confirm that in action. The fact that most of people says "yes" still
>does not make it consensus or objective truth. You talk about
>that knowledge what is valuable or not as if it was handed to you
>on stone tables by invisible power on top of some mountain.
No, I talk about it as if I have some minimal intelligence that
allows me to think about such things, as if I can go beyond
"this is complex and I'm too stupid to understand it, so it
must be subjective".
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