Linux-Misc Digest #160, Volume #20 Tue, 11 May 99 22:13:08 EDT
Contents:
Testing my CPU! ("Ferdinand V. Mendoza")
dialup configuration (ron cole)
Re: *Nix software packages (Philip Brown)
Re: kernel too large, what now? (hellraiser)
Re: Linux Perl/CGI problem (Przem Kowalczyk)
Re: True Type Font Installation: How? (Przem Kowalczyk)
system hangs part #2 ("Al Goins")
Re: Text based interface and escape codes? ("Cameron Spitzer")
Dual PII with apm power off (Sasa Ostrouska)
Re: RedHat price... (Christopher B. Browne)
Re: Eudora-like mail program for linux? (With Filters etc) ("Brian Schell")
Re: Proper use of /usr/local (Re: The Best Linux distribution?)
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
hard drive problems ("Al Goins")
Afterstep Startup (Dave Byrne)
Re: RedHat price... (Harold Stevens ** PLEASE SEE SIG **)
Re: an alias for cd to set PS1=pwd ("J�rgen Exner")
Maximize Apps on X Startup? (Erica Vogle)
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From: "Ferdinand V. Mendoza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Testing my CPU!
Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 08:08:16 +0400
HI all,
I have a PII 400 stand alone PC and running Mandrake 5.3 on it.
I wanted to put some load to my CPU close to 100% to test it's
stability.
I can't find a single app to do that except the password cracker
program I'm running now. It can push my CPU up to 99% usage
and still my PC can run well even if I'm runnning other programs
like X11amp, netscape and do some cron schedules to run the
updatedb program every 5 min. interval, check mail regularly,etc.
Is this a sound test?
I just want to compare because in the office, I'm running WIN NT
and if the cpu usage is close to 100% I cannot move my mouse
pointer anymore. Any suggestions?
Badong
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From: ron cole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: dialup configuration
Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 17:16:39 -0700
does anyone know where the chat script for establishing a ppp connection
when dialing an isp is kept ? I want to setup a dialup connection to my
isp and am not going to run x windows so cannot use the gui to make a ppp
interface.i have tried to call up a script i made several times but chat
does not even get to the modem init stage.i have a system up using x so if
i can locate its chat script i will be able to copy it. thanks
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Philip Brown)
Subject: Re: *Nix software packages
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 12 May 1999 00:36:50 GMT
On Thu, 06 May 1999 13:27:01 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Where can I find software for *Nix? Prefereably, of coarse, Linux? I
>know this sounds too broad, but I'm very interested in offering Linux
>servers to my clients, but I need to offer them software suggestions as
>well. I know about Applix, StarOffice, etc. for normal word processing,
>spreadsheets, etc. What I'm looking for are accounting programs,
>programs to manage club memberships ..
**CLUB MEMBERSHIPS**??
yeowch. Sounds likeyou should start with your local neighbourhood
custom software writer.
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From: hellraiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: kernel too large, what now?
Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 14:03:27 -0400
did you re-run /sbin/lilo after you compiled your second kernel
(bzImage)?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Przem Kowalczyk)
Subject: Re: Linux Perl/CGI problem
Date: 6 May 1999 20:49:17 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Chris in comp.os.linux.misc wrote:
>I have a counter.cgi script that can be run from the cgi-bin directory.
>This can be executed from
>any browser. The chmod of counter.cgi is 777 the same as another script
>I wrote called test.cgi
>that was nothing more than this:
>
>#!/usr/local/bin/perl
>
>print�Content-type:text/html\n\n�;
>
>print �Show me the monkey�;
>
>
>I also did a command of : perl �c test.cgi
>It came back with Syntax ok.
>
>I could not access this test.cgi file. Although I can access the
>counter.cgi and the files have the
>same chmod of 777.
>
>I don�t understand why I can run the counter.cgi but not the test.cgi.
>Is there more to the permissions than just the chmod?
>
Perhaps you've got wrong path to perl. Problems with cgi scripts are
usually logged into /var/log/http/error_log. So check it and if you can't
find solution post it to newsgroup.
Przem
--
imagination
come alive
suspicion
tonight, I'll dream tonight
R.E.M
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Przem Kowalczyk)
Subject: Re: True Type Font Installation: How?
Date: 6 May 1999 20:53:21 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Huy Le in comp.os.linux.misc wrote:
>Would anyone kindly tell how to install True Type Fonts on RedHat Linux?
>
You need xfstt daemon.
Przem
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I pass satellites.
R.E.M
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From: "Al Goins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: system hangs part #2
Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 20:35:56 -0500
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From: "Cameron Spitzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Text based interface and escape codes?
Date: 12 May 1999 01:35:18 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Mats Pettersson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hi all!
>
>I'm planning on doing a small utility program and want people to be able
>to acess it through telnet.
>I want the user to be able to jump between fields with arrow or tab
>keys.
>
>The telnet client use vt100 emulation.
>
>I planned programming in perl.
If performance is not the primary consideration, write it in HTML
forms and process the data with a CGI program behind a Web server.
Use Lynx as the user interface. It already works, and you're
not even locked into VT100.
Cameron
"Use the intranet, Luke!"
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From: Sasa Ostrouska <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Dual PII with apm power off
Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 17:31:24 +0200
Hi !
Can anyone help me to set my linux using kernel 2.2.7 to set the
auto power off at the
shutdown command. The apm is disabled by the kernel because not safe
with smp.
Thanks Sasa
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher B. Browne)
Subject: Re: RedHat price...
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 01:41:49 GMT
On Tue, 11 May 1999 15:31:26 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
posted:
>According to Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>> I just checked out the price on the newest version of RedHat (6.0),
>> and I see that the basic boxed set is going to sell for between
>> $75-$80, to which I say, "ARE THEY OUT OF THEIR EVER-LOVING MINDS?!"
>> Is there really that much new in 6.0 to justify such an extreme price
>> hike?
>
>Remember, what you are paying for is *not* the software -- the bulk of
>that cost is for the 30 days on installation and technical support. A
>small portion of it is production, packaging, manuals, shipping, and
>profit for the retailer. To be honest, really, I can't see how they
>can make any money at all at that price unless *very* few people
>actually call in with technical support problems.
>
>If you don't need support, just download it off the net or buy the CD
>from cheapbytes for two bucks.
I don't see how they could have been providing *any* installation
support whatsoever when they were selling the boxes for about $20.
(That being the most that they could charge when other companies have
been selling the boxes, bought from Red Hat, for $30.)
The most I can conceive of RHS being able to devote to support out of
$20 is $5, which doesn't buy you much "customer support."
Bouncing the price up to $80 probably means that the amount Red Hat
gets exceeds $30, which gives them a *little* room to provide some
customer support.
I don't have a good feel for the amount they're likely getting for the
$80 boxes; if nobody marks 'em down from $80, RHS might very well wind
up with $40-$50, which *definitely* gives some room to provide
significant support.
It seems more likely to me, however, that RHS is selling boxes for
$30-$35, and the sellers are presently "gouging." And that
discounters will soon provide Boxes for more like $50.
In any case, those of us that *do* know how to install it, and can
readily resolve technical problems, should allocate our $80 thusly:
a) A pack of 4 CDs: $5;
b) Contribution to local LUG to help them buy CDs: $10
c) Contribution to [FSF|Debian|Free Software Bazaar|XFree86]: $65.
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From: "Brian Schell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: Eudora-like mail program for linux? (With Filters etc)
Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 15:10:25 -0400
Try kmail... Included in Redhat 6.0 and Mandrake 5.3 (And downloadable)
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:7h9j36$5pp$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> What programs are there for Linux that handle automatic filtering
> (putting mail in different mailboxes, depending on sender)? Something
> like Eudora for Windows.
>
> The program must have a decent graphical interface. Preferably a program
> that offers a 3-pane view. KDE support is even better.
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Proper use of /usr/local (Re: The Best Linux distribution?)
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 01:18:41 GMT
In article <7hadqc$j43$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell) wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> > *everything* is "included" (or at least damn close to it) in nearly
> > all Linux and *BSD "distributions". The distinction should be
> > system components vs non-system components. No sane system defines
> > it as anything else.
> No one can ever decide that. The real distinction is whether you want
> to keep your local modified copy after a complete system re-install.
> Thus nothing in a system re-install should ever overwrite anything
> in /usr/local. The things that live there can either be programs
> that aren't in a distribution, your own original work, or modified
> versions of system programs that you may or may not want to be the
> first (or only) version in $PATH.
That makes some sense, but it seems like a bad way of covering up the
fact that Linux distributors *caused* the problem in the first place by
including too much "stuff" in the base install. When I install the
system, I should only be installing the *system* -- not the system plus
samba plus apache plus netscape plus netatalk plus everything else on
earth. If Linux distributions used a more sane model and simply
provided all of those things as options rather than defaults, they
wouldn't have to worry about possibly overwriting non-distribution
releases of local applications.
> [...] With the Linux
> layout you can keep /home and /usr/local on different partitions and
> simply clobber / and /usr with the new stuff, then put any config
> files worth keeping back in /etc.
The same procedure, only slightly modified, is how FreeBSD upgrades
itself from the /stand/sysinstall tool, except you don't need to keep
/usr and /usr/local on different partitions.
FreeBSD doesn't install any non-system components by itself [that is
left up to the user], so there is no risk of clobbering anything local
during an upgrade. There is never any chance of different minor
versions of an application living in both /usr and /usr/local, and so
upgrading is as easy as replacing all system files in /usr [/usr/local
will essentially be left alone].
> If you stick to a strictly
> controlled upgrade path (like only one *bsd flavor) you may not
> care about this sort of thing, but if you want the option of
> switching to a completely different distribution with a minimum
> of trouble it works out nicely.
It's not a matter of controlled versus uncontrolled upgrade paths, it's
a matter of what's included in the distribution during install or
upgrade. FreeBSD makes effective use of the "traditional" method
because it doesn't install any non-system software during upgrades.
Linux distributions tend to install lots of extra goodies, and so needs
to worry about version drift between CD releases. perl4 isn't changing,
so it's safe to stick it in /usr/bin [as FreeBSD does]. perl5 is likely
to undergo a minor version increment between CD releases, so it goes in
/usr/local/bin [and it's up to the user to decide between the version
included on the disk or to grab the latest from CPAN].
If Linux didn't include all of those non-system components during
install, it wouldn't have had to break with the "traditional" model.
The decision was purely one of marketing, not design. Most veteran
Linux admins I know end up relocating or linking things into /usr/local,
simply for compatibility reasons. For them, at least, the default
install procedures are far from convenient.
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From: "Al Goins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: hard drive problems
Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 20:45:09 -0500
This is probably the wrong group to post this to but tell me which group I
should sen this to:
When i decided to put Linux on my machine I put a second ard drive in.
Now I have a Maxtor 8.4 Gig drive on Primary IDE master. i have a CD-Rom as
the slave on the primary ide. then i have a second maxtor 8,4 gig drive on
the secondary ide as a master.
Now when I boot the asus p2b motherboard hangs while looking for hard
drives. It boots but it waits a long time to, while before when I just had
the first hard drive and the cdrom it when find the hard drive and boot.
When it displays the system resources right before running either win98 or
Linux it says the primary ide master is an LBA UDMA drive but it say for the
secondary ide master CHS, Mode 0 drive. I have told the mother board they
are both LBA drives, it does auto-detect them in the bios setup.
Now i get occasional weird errors. One time win98 ( on the primary drive)
told me that the dirve was either set for LBA and not an LBA or it is not
set for LBA and it is an LBA drive and not set for LBA. Scan disk comes up
with occasional errors in Linux and Win98.
What do I do?
-Albert Goins
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Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 18:35:34 -0700
From: Dave Byrne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Afterstep Startup
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Everytime I start X, Afterstep loads, then 2 copys of nxterm, then netscape.
Is there some config file that I can modify so that it doesn't load nxterm/netscape?
--
Dave Byrne
Lit. Econ LLP
HTML, Perl, Linux
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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<PRE>Everytime I start X, Afterstep loads, then 2 copys of nxterm, then
netscape.</PRE>
<PRE>Is there some config file that I can modify so that it doesn't load
nxterm/netscape?</PRE>
<PRE></PRE>
<PRE>--
Dave Byrne
Lit. Econ LLP
HTML, Perl, Linux
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Harold Stevens ** PLEASE SEE SIG **)
Subject: Re: RedHat price...
Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 19:13:14 GMT
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ray:
|> Johan Kullstam:
[Snip...]
|> >> Personally, this has dead-set me against getting RedHat 6.0 as my
|> >> next Linux. It'll be Caldera or SuSE for me! Most likely the
|> >> latter...
[Snip...]
|> >if $80 seems too high, take your business elsewhere. i see no
|> >reason for all this kvetching.
|>
|> Yes, I realize that a person can get RedHat for $2 or "free" over the
|> net, and *I* know there are choices. My "kvetching", as you call it,
|> is more directed toward the issue of getting new (very very new) users
[Snip...]
Wow, good thing you showed up. As we all know, the whole OSS movement depends
on money, "getting" users, and other assorted consumer-based neuroses. It was
bothering me, and I guess the Halloween Documents are fictions after all; now
Gates and Ballmer *aren't* stuck with that millstone about their necks. :)
I don't believe Linux or OSS generally cares about "getting" such a blatantly
consumerist response. It appeals to huckersterism, as in parting suckers from
their money. Purchasing an OS is not like voting for your favorite softdrink,
no matter what the marketdroids say. And newbies can handle it. Really. :)
[Snip...]
|> will expect it to have the same level of polish and ease-of-use as
|> Windows, and Linux ain't there yet. And, when they pay that $80, and
|> find it doesn't meet their expectations, a snowball of bad
Wow, again fortuitous you appeared, as this is unheard of. Never before has a
consumer been disappointed at market experience, despite the fact they're too
stupid, lazy, greedy, proud, insecure, or faddish to do their homework. Can't
have some lunatics sprinting into Fry's throwing bags of money at clerks, and
screaming "I DEMAND NT SERVER AT $600 A POP, NO MATTER HOW IGNORANT I AM! AND
I'll PAY UPFRONT TO DEBUG ALPHA BLOATWARE FOR MAMMOTH VAPORSCARE, INC.!" :)
[Snip...]
|> price, more must be expected out of the OS. Whereas if someone pays
|> only $40 people are more likely to be forgiving of Linux's
|> shortcomings.
Why $40? Why not, say, $55.95? Or $10.77? This is completely *arbitrary*, and
it just seems dumb in the market universe to seek preordained forgiveness. Is
Linus out in the street in sackcloth and ashes over his "failed" OS? Does the
RedHat label need, say: "Warning: may prove devastatingly dissapointing and a
personal failure, with dire financial and medical consequences"? :)
|> *Personally* (unrelated to the issue of gaining new users), I don't
|> see the reason for such an extreme price hike, and see it as being
|> more motivated by greed on RedHat's part. They lost me as a customer
|> (not that they particularly care, I'd acknowledge) for any future
|> releases of their product.
Duly noted. I'm sure SuSE et al are ecstatic you're head their way. :)
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From: "J�rgen Exner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: an alias for cd to set PS1=pwd
Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 12:09:23 -0700
Reply-To: "J�rgen Exner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
John Allman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:7h8tfm$m86$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> i want to make an alias for cd so that every time i type cd it changes the
> directory like normal, but also changes the prompt to show exactly where i
> am. in unix i have it set up as alias cd 'cd \!*;set prompt="`pwd`:> " '
> so i guessed that in linux it would be alias cd='cd \!*; PS1="`pwd` :> "'.
> but that doesn't work. it doesn't know what i mean by \!*. does anyone
> know how to do this properly in linux?
Has nothing to do with Linux versus Unix but only with the shell you are
using.
Please consult the man page for your favorite shell about how to define
aliases and set the prompt.
jue
--
J�rgen Exner
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From: Erica Vogle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Maximize Apps on X Startup?
Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 00:26:02 -0500
Does anyone know how to have applications automatically start maximized
in X? I've toyed with the -geometry options, but I can't get it exactly
right. Is there a "-geometry maximize" or something similiar?
If not, does anyone know what the -geometry settings would be for an
800x600 resolution X session?
Thanks,
--Brian
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