Linux-Misc Digest #160, Volume #25               Mon, 17 Jul 00 17:13:06 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Problems with a new ZIP-drive (Dances With Crows)
  Re: Play mpeg without Xwindows (Dances With Crows)
  Re: Ahhhg Mount altering file access (Dances With Crows)
  Re: RPM misery... Help please. (Dances With Crows)
  Re: undelete directory? (Dances With Crows)
  Re: Are there substantially more/less RPMs for RH or SuSE? (Dances With Crows)
  cdrecord ("Hiawatha Bray")
  Re: <.Display is (Massive).> (N/A)
  Kernel recompile--it just gets worse. ("Hiawatha Bray")
  Kernel compile...it just gets worse ("Hiawatha Bray")
  CD burner...it just gets worse ("Hiawatha Bray")
  Re: cdrecord (Dances With Crows)
  PCI bus information access ("Chris Kotchey")
  Re: awk usuage (Harlan Grove)
  Apache q: why do I get Forbidden? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: PCI bus information access (Kaz Kylheku)
  Re: ddate command (Dances With Crows)
  Re: PCI bus information access (Perry Pip)
  Re: Video Capture Card for Linux? ("cdaniel")
  Re: <Display is (Massive)> (N/A)
  Just a Few Kwestionz..... (N/A)
  Just a Few Kwestionz.....(long) (N/A)
  Just a Few Kwestionz(get ready)......... (N/A)
  Re: programming tools and techniques ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: Problems with a new ZIP-drive
Date: 13 Jul 2000 14:34:33 EDT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:20:38 +0200, Thorsten Lange 
<<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> shouted forth into the ether:
>Hello,
>some days ago I bought a new Iomega Zip Drive for parallel port. My old
>and now crashed Zip drive has been running fine with a 2.0.35 kernel.

insmod parport
insmod parport_pc
insmod lp
insmod imm
insmod scsi_mod
insmod sd_mod

Then mount /dev/sdXY on /mnt/zip, no problem.  X refers to the letter of
the SCSI disk (will be "a" unless you have another SCSI hard disk
somewhere) and Y refers to the partition number (usually 4, could be
1.)  ZIP drives made after 1998 use the imm module instead of the ppa one,
you're right, but I've had no problems with kernel 2.2.14 and parport
ZIPs.  Look at http://linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/mini/ZIP.html for more info.

>The new drive is not detected with 2.0.35 ppa and with 2.2.14 ppa and
>imm.

Did you get cut off in the middle of posting, or what?  If you're having
problems with imm in particular, more details would be helpful.

-- 
Matt G / Dances With Crows      /\    "Man could not stare too long at the face
\----[this space for rent]-----/  \   of the Computer or her children and still
 \There is no Darkness in Eternity \  remain as Man." --David Zindell "So did
But only Light too dim for us to see\ they become Gods, or Usenetters?" --/me

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Play mpeg without Xwindows
Date: 13 Jul 2000 17:53:03 EDT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[inappropriate NG snipped]
On Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:52:57 -0700, Thierry 
<<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> shouted forth into the ether:
>Is it possible to play a movie (mpeg or quicktime) without using Xwindows,
>only in Shell screen.
>Maybe using frame buffer ?

This came up earlier today.  Since you're posting using Outhouse on a Mac,
I assume you're wanting something for Linux PPC, which cuts down the
choices even more wrt graphics.  (PCs have SVGAlib at least; Macs
don't.)  You will probably not have any luck--MPEG decoding in software is
resource-intensive, and if your machine doesn't have enough power to run
X, it certainly won't have enough power to run an MPEG decoder like mtv or
mpeg_play.  That said, there is a framebuffer X server available.

Check http://freshmeat.net/ and search for "MPEG player", cutting out
those which use X.  Good luck....

-- 
Matt G / Dances With Crows      /\    "Man could not stare too long at the face
\----[this space for rent]-----/  \   of the Computer or her children and still
 \There is no Darkness in Eternity \  remain as Man." --David Zindell "So did
But only Light too dim for us to see\ they become Gods, or Usenetters?" --/me

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: Ahhhg Mount altering file access
Date: 13 Jul 2000 17:58:27 EDT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Thu, 13 Jul 2000 21:33:26 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
<<8klcj7$3nh$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> shouted forth into the ether:
>I mount my win98 partition /dev/sda2
>"mount /dev/sda2 /usr/local/share/win98 -t vfat -o defaults"
>They I check the access of the /usr/local/share/win98 directory and its
>contents and it has all changed.  I need all users in group users to
>have full access to the contents of this directory.
>If I do a "chmod -R 777 /usr/local/share/win98" nothing happens, i.e.
>only ROOT has 7 access to the contents of the directory.
>The owning user is ROOT and the group is ROOT.
>What am I doing wrong?

You haven't read the man page for mount.  "man mount", paying particular
attention to the options for a VFAT filesystem.  Since VFAT doesn't know
about permissions, all permissions are set at mount time, and the default
options make it so that the umask is 022 and all files are owned by the
mounting user's UID and GID.  If you mount the drive with "mount -t vfat
/dev/sda2 /mnt/win98 -o umask=002,uid=0,gid=users" then things will work
better.

-- 
Matt G / Dances With Crows      /\    "Man could not stare too long at the face
\----[this space for rent]-----/  \   of the Computer or her children and still
 \There is no Darkness in Eternity \  remain as Man." --David Zindell "So did
But only Light too dim for us to see\ they become Gods, or Usenetters?" --/me

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: RPM misery... Help please.
Date: 13 Jul 2000 18:08:19 EDT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Thu, 13 Jul 2000 14:09:20 -0700, Chumkil 
<<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> shouted forth into the ether:
>[root@myhouse openssh]# rpm -Uvh ssh-1.2.27-7us_glibc20.i386.rpm
>package ssh-1.2.27-7us is already installed
>[root@myhouse openssh]# rpm -e ssh-1.2.27-7us_glibc20.i386.rpm
>error: package ssh-1.2.27-7us_glibc20.i386.rpm is not installed

Take another look at the error message.  ssh-blah-us is installed, not
ssh-blah-us_glibc20.i386, and you know how picky computers are about exact
names.  Try "rpm -e ssh-1.2.27-7us" or compile the silly thing from
source--no need to worry about RPM dependencies then!

-- 
Matt G / Dances With Crows      /\    "Man could not stare too long at the face
\----[this space for rent]-----/  \   of the Computer or her children and still
 \There is no Darkness in Eternity \  remain as Man." --David Zindell "So did
But only Light too dim for us to see\ they become Gods, or Usenetters?" --/me

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: undelete directory?
Date: 13 Jul 2000 19:36:22 EDT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Fri, 14 Jul 2000 00:20:23 +0200, Marcus Bergmann 
<<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> shouted forth into the ether:
>Is there a way to undelete removed directories? If it is so, how can i
>do it?

Not at the moment, at least not easily.  If the data in the directories
consisted of text files, you *might* have a look at
http://linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/mini/Ext2fs-Undeletion.html and do what it says.  
Anyway, make regular backups (you DO have a backup device, don't you?) and
be very careful when you delete things.  Unix assumes you mean what you
say when you do an rm -rf , and the multi-user nature of Unix means that
unlinked files are considered free disk space and can and will be
overwritten when anything needs disk space.

-- 
Matt G / Dances With Crows      /\    "Man could not stare too long at the face
\----[this space for rent]-----/  \   of the Computer or her children and still
 \There is no Darkness in Eternity \  remain as Man." --David Zindell "So did
But only Light too dim for us to see\ they become Gods, or Usenetters?" --/me

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: Are there substantially more/less RPMs for RH or SuSE?
Date: 13 Jul 2000 22:42:46 EDT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Thu, 13 Jul 2000 21:23:09 -0500, Jerome Mrozak 
<<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> shouted forth into the ether:
>I'm choosing between distros and would like to NOT be stuck with a
>distro that can't find the "latest and greatest" software, such as Gnome
>updates, KDE updates, editors.  
>
>Being in the USA, I hear the most about RH and Mandrake.  But when all
>is counted, what % of RPMs will work on both RH and SuSE, what % for RH
>and not SuSE, and what % for SuSE and not RH?

This is, as you said, tough to answer!  It depends on the specific RPM
packages that you're talking about, and where you get the packages
from.  SuSE has a pretty huge archive of RPMs designed specifically for
SuSE at ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/ , and for commercial packages like Oracle,
they even offer patch files to improve installation ease-of-use and fix
minor bugs that crop up because of differences between RH and SuSE.

Personally, I've had excellent luck installing "Designed for RedHat" RPMs
with rpm --nodeps -Uvh package.rpm on a reasonably up-to-date SuSE
system.  Also, remember that SuSE's boxed set has 6 CDs full of
applications, *double* what RedHat ships with.

Don't forget that you can get the source tarball and just ./configure &&
make && make install in 90% of cases.  It takes longer, but people who've
been around the Unix block swear by this--no irritating dependencies, and
the executable is tuned for your system.

-- 
Matt G / Dances With Crows      /\    "Man could not stare too long at the face
\----[this space for rent]-----/  \   of the Computer or her children and still
 \There is no Darkness in Eternity \  remain as Man." --David Zindell "So did
But only Light too dim for us to see\ they become Gods, or Usenetters?" --/me

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From: "Hiawatha Bray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: cdrecord
Date: 13 Jul 2000 22:50:08 EDT

I ask the question but I don't understand the answer.

I still don't
understand what commands I'm supposed to type to get cdrecord to work.  You
say try LUN0.  What do I try with it?  Do I add it to a command?  Which one?
What exactly am I supposed to do here?  Assume I know nothing, which is
pretty much right!






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From: N/A <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: <.Display is (Massive).>
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 19:30:05 GMT


chumkil wrote:
> 
> You may have to edit your XF86Config file.
> It SEEMS that your resolution is ok, but your virtual desktop settings 
are
> out
> of whack. I have no idea what tools you would use to alter this however 
as I
> use Mandrake and not Corel.
> 
> My guess is that your VISUAL settings are 800X600 but your virtual 
desktop
> setting is at 1024X728.
> 
> If Corel supports it (and I don't know if it does)
> get to a command prompt (*without* X running, you can do this at boot by
> typing
> "linux 3" into LILO)
> and run the command
> XF86Setup
> You can adjust your settings from there.
> 
> Hope this helps!
> 
> N/A wrote:
> 
> > the reason i am asking this question again is because i think people 
fail
> > to understand the question and therefore give me an answere i am 
already
> > aware of. My Display for Corel Linux Delux is so big i cannot see the
> > entire desktop. i adjust my vertical, horizontal and my size to 800x600
> > which my windows was running under but my display is still too big. i 
can
> > really fix this problem within linux itself because i can only see a 
very
> > limited part of linux, therefore i cant run programs like 'find files 
or
> > folders, etc' what can i possibly do to fix this? Thanx a lot.
> >
> > --
> > Posted via CNET Help.com
> > http://www.help.com/
> 


thank you so much, that is actually the most specific and helpful answere 
i have gotten thus far.....thanks. DKWII.

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http://www.help.com/

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From: "Hiawatha Bray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Kernel recompile--it just gets worse.
Date: 14 Jul 2000 20:37:17 EDT

I finally got my recompiled kernel to see my CD burner.  Now it won't see my
NIC card.  I didn't touch the part about supporting networks, so I can't see
how I compiled it out of the kernel.  Anyway, anybody know what to do?
Please?



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From: "Hiawatha Bray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Kernel compile...it just gets worse
Date: 15 Jul 2000 00:59:37 EDT

I finally got my recompiled kernel to see my CD burner.  Now it won't see my
NIC card.  I didn't touch the part about supporting networks, so I can't see
how I compiled it out of the kernel.  Anyway, anybody know what to do?
Please?




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From: "Hiawatha Bray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: CD burner...it just gets worse
Date: 15 Jul 2000 01:02:37 EDT

I finally got my recompiled kernel to see my CD burner.  Now it won't see my
NIC card.  I didn't touch the part about supporting networks, so I can't see
how I compiled it out of the kernel.  Anyway, anybody know what to do?
Please?




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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: cdrecord
Date: 17 Jul 2000 19:55:15 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On 13 Jul 2000 22:50:08 EDT, Hiawatha Bray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I still don't understand what commands I'm supposed to type to get
>cdrecord to work.  You say try LUN0.  What do I try with it?  Do I add
>it to a command?  Which one?  What exactly am I supposed to do here?
>Assume I know nothing, which is pretty much right!

If you know nothing, the best cure is to learn something!
http://linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/CD-Writing-HOWTO.html for starters.

Assuming that cdrecord is compiled properly and has been installed SUID
root ("ls -l `which cdrecord`" should show the permissions on the file
as rwsr-xr-x) then you'd do this:

cdrecord -scanbus
and get something like
Cdrecord 1.8 (i586-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2000 J�rg Schilling
Using libscg version 'schily-0.1'
scsibus0:
     0,0,0     0) 'IOMEGA  ' 'ZIP 100         ' '12.A' Removable Disk
     0,1,0     1) 'PHILIPS ' 'PCA460RW        ' '1.0f' Removable CD-ROM
     0,2,0     2) *

Hmm, that "0,1,0" looks a lot like the dev=X,Y,Z syntax that cdrecord
likes for its dev= parameter.  So then, to record an ISO image onto a
CD, I'd do:

cdrecord -v dev=0,1,0 speed=4 cdimage.iso

The X,Y,Z syntax refers to SCSI-Bus, Target, and LUN.  Each SCSI
controller in a machine comprises one bus, usually.  Each SCSI device on
a bus has a unique SCSI ID, here referred to as a "target".  A few
things like CD-ROM changers have multiple Logical Unit Numbers, as they
can have several slots, each with a CD.  Most devices have only one LUN,
LUN 0.  HTH,

-- 
Matt G|There is no Darkness in eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see
Love is a snowmobile racing across the Arctic tundra that suddenly flips
over, pinning you underneath.  At night, the Ice Weasels come. --Matt
Groening, "Love Is Hell"



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From: "Chris Kotchey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: PCI bus information access
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 15:57:35 -0400

I'm rather new to Linux (4 weeks) and will need to be writing a small
program that will allow a user to query the PCI bus, choose a PCI device,
and be able to get/alter/set the values in the configuration register(s) for
a particular card (we'll be doing this to do some testing on a card we are
developing).

Under Windows NT, I had to write a separate device driver to access the bus
information, and separate application to do the editing/displaying of the
data.  Is this also true of Linux?  or are there calls I can make to
directly access the PCI bus information from a "regular" Linux application
(and where would they be)?

I'm just starting to read the "Linux Device Drivers" book, but I'd like to
try to avoid digging into this if I can do this stuff from a normal
application.

As an added bonus, would anybody out there know of any such utility that I
might use as a starting point/example?

Chris Kotchey



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From: Harlan Grove <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: awk usuage
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 19:48:50 GMT

In article <8kvgh2$2gu$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Can anyone help me out with an awk usage? I have a tab separated data
>file.
>-----------------------------
>Tom Jones 4424 5/12/66 543354
>------------------------------
>I have to write an nawk command that prints two tabs the string "Have a
>nice day." followed by the first and lastname, if the line contains the
>pattern "Jones".
>Also if possible I have to print
>The Name is:firstname lastname ID is idnumber

Have you tried the manual, man awk(1) ? Also, you may get quicker
responses posting to comp.lang.awk .

If your file has tab-separated fields with first and last names as
separate fields, then awk will parse each input line (record) into
fields for you. I'll give you the first, but you should try to figure
out the second based on the manual.

awk '/Jones/{printf("\t\tHave a nice day, %s %s\n", $1, $2)}' filename


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Apache q: why do I get Forbidden?
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 19:48:46 GMT

I have set /home/httpd/html and /home/httpd/cgi-bin to owner nobody
in group nogroup (same person in httpd.conf) but I can only access it
from the PC that shares its LAN connection. WHen I access the site
from work (behind a firewall) I get forbidden. Is that normal, from
behind a firewall, that is? The httpd daemon runs under nobody (all
save for one). WHat else can I check, they're all world-readable and
CGI is world executable. It's not the firewall is it?
----
she_died


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kaz Kylheku)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: PCI bus information access
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 20:05:15 GMT

On Mon, 17 Jul 2000 15:57:35 -0400, Chris Kotchey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Under Windows NT, I had to write a separate device driver to access the bus
>information, and separate application to do the editing/displaying of the
>data.  Is this also true of Linux?  or are there calls I can make to
>directly access the PCI bus information from a "regular" Linux application
>(and where would they be)?

You seem to be looking for the /sbin/lspci and /sbin/setpci utilities.

-- 
#exclude <windows.h>

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: ddate command
Date: 16 Jul 2000 11:15:12 EDT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Sun, 16 Jul 2000 15:07:24 +1000, Lord Apophis said:
>oh and man ddate does not work on the comps at school
>> Hi, i am new to linux and am learning it at school and one of the other
>> students there told me to type ddate. up comes this message with stuff
>like
>> pungenday and boomtime etc.
>> can someone tell me what this all means?

  ddate -- prints the date in Discordian Date Format
(Discordian Date Format divides the year into 5 seasons of 73 days each,
with weekdays named after the five elements, and a whole lot of other
stuff.)

For more information, visit http://babcom.com/principia/body.html or
http://subgenius.com/ , contact your local Pope, or consult your pineal
gland.  Under no circumstances should you take this all seriously, but
<fnord>it may be the most important thing you ever see</fnord>.

-- 
Matt G|There is no Darkness in eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see
Sturgeon's Law:  90% of everything is crud.
MG's Extension:  The other 10% is included in "everything," and it's
recursive.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Perry Pip)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: PCI bus information access
Date: 17 Jul 2000 20:15:54 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Mon, 17 Jul 2000 15:57:35 -0400, 
Chris Kotchey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I'm rather new to Linux (4 weeks) and will need to be writing a small
>program that will allow a user to query the PCI bus, choose a PCI device,
>and be able to get/alter/set the values in the configuration register(s) for
>a particular card (we'll be doing this to do some testing on a card we are
>developing).
>
>Under Windows NT, I had to write a separate device driver to access the bus
>information, and separate application to do the editing/displaying of the
>data.  Is this also true of Linux?  or are there calls I can make to
>directly access the PCI bus information from a "regular" Linux application
>(and where would they be)?
>
>I'm just starting to read the "Linux Device Drivers" book, but I'd like to
>try to avoid digging into this if I can do this stuff from a normal
>application.
>
>As an added bonus, would anybody out there know of any such utility that I
>might use as a starting point/example?
>

Look for a utitly called lspci, in Redhat it's in a package called
pciutils. The source code to that should have what you are looking
for.

Perry


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From: "cdaniel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.mandrake,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Video Capture Card for Linux?
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 20:27:11 GMT


I found drivers for the ATI All In Wonder video boards.
The board I'm using is the All In Wonder Pro PCI 8Mb. Rage 64 chipset.  The
software is XATITV or ATITV .

The drivers for the Mach 64 video install with the distribution and then you
have to do a search for the software. The TV tuner portion is supported as
well as full screen and background video display. There is also a good
compliment of command utilities.

I haven't fully tested the capture functions or tried the software with more
current AGP or 16Mb boards. But this one seems to work well so far.

I'm sure that there are other capture type boards of better and worse
quality that work as well, and I'm interested in hearing more about those
and the software that runs them.

"Brian Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:963860775.307675@sj-nntpcache-3...
> Hi,
> Has anyone found a Video Capture Card (e.g. Intel Smart Video Recorder
III)
> that has Linux drivers?
>
> Thanks,
> Brian
>
>



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From: N/A <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: <Display is (Massive)>
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 20:30:04 GMT


Bob Hauck wrote:
> 
> 
> On Mon, 17 Jul 2000 17:30:04 GMT, N/A <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >the reason i am asking this question again is because i think people 
fail 
> >to understand the question and therefore give me an answere i am 
already 
> >aware of. My Display for Corel Linux Delux is so big i cannot see the 
> >entire desktop.
> 
> There are two cases, and it is hard to tell which you have from what
> you posted: 
> 
> Case #1:  You can't see the entire desktop but if you push your mouse
> pointer against the side of the screen it all moves so you can see a
> new piece.
> 
> Case #2:  You can't see the entire desktop and it does not scroll when
> you put your mouse against the side.
> 
> If #1, then you have selected a virtual resolution that is bigger than
> your physical resolution.  The fix (if you want it fixed..this can be a
> handy feature)) is to edit /etc/XF86Config and change the "virtual"
> line for your display mode to match the actual resolution you are
> running at.  This can be done in a text console (use ctl-alt-f1 to
> switch to a text console from X), after which you will want to restart
> X for the change to take effect.  The line you are looking for will say
> something like "virtual 1024x768".  There may be more than one, each in
> a separate "display" stanza.  If so, change them all to match the
> resolution for that stanza.
> 
> If #2, then you have set up a horizontal/vertical sweep rate that is
> not correct for your monitor, or you have chosen a mode that will not
> work with your card and the X server has fallen back to something like
> 640x480 where the windows are too big to fit on the screen.
> 
> In that case, you will  need to edit the "modeline" section of
> XF86Config and put in the correct numbers.  Since this is a bit tricky,
> I would suggest you use xvidtune or your distro's configuration utility
> instead.  That will allow you to interactively diddle things while
> observing the results.
> 
> I would hope that Corel had some information on this in their manual,
> but I haven't tried Corel so I don't know for sure.
> 
> 
> >Posted via CNET Help.com
> >http://www.help.com/
> 
> 
> -- 
>  -| Bob Hauck
>  -| Codem Systems, Inc.
>  -| http://www.codem.com/


thanks so much

 that should help

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From: N/A <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Just a Few Kwestionz.....
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 20:30:08 GMT

i have a few questions about Corel Linux Delux if you could answere them 
maybe:


1) how do i change that virtual desktop stuff so i can see my whole 
desktop display in one screen?

2) what does xvidtune do and how can i run it?

3) when running XF86Setup how do i apply the changes or does it do it 
automitically?

4) how can 'virtual' help me?

5) are there any linux commands that would be helpful?

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From: N/A <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Just a Few Kwestionz.....(long)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 20:30:08 GMT

i have a few questions about Corel Linux Delux if you could answere them 
maybe:


1) how do i change that virtual desktop stuff so i can see my whole 
desktop display in one screen?

2) what does xvidtune do and how can i run it?

3) when running XF86Setup how do i apply the changes or does it do it 
automitically?

4) how can 'virtual' help me?

5) are there any linux commands that would be helpful?

thanx so much.

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From: N/A <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Just a Few Kwestionz(get ready).........
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 20:30:08 GMT

i have a few questions about Corel Linux Delux if you could answere them 
maybe:


1) how do i change that virtual desktop stuff so i can see my whole 
desktop display in one screen?

2) what does xvidtune do and how can i run it?

3) when running XF86Setup how do i apply the changes or does it do it 
automitically?

4) how can 'virtual' help me?

5) are there any linux commands that would be helpful?

thanks so much.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: programming tools and techniques
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.sun.apps,comp.lang.perl.misc,comp.programming
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 21:04:45 +0100

In comp.os.linux.misc Dmitri V <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thank you, Andrew, that *was* an impressive exposition. 

Thanks.

> I'll keep this text for my future reference on how to write educational
> materials.

Just remember to get rid of all the spelling mistakes and gramatical errors.
And the more deliberate inaccuracies.
(Amending the make world example, for example)

:)

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