Linux-Misc Digest #166, Volume #20 Wed, 12 May 99 09:13:10 EDT
Contents:
Re: KDE very slow (Jonas)
Re: RedHat price... (Christopher B. Browne)
Re: glib/gtk problems (hellraiser)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522) (Ketil Z Malde)
Re: Is Unix a single user operating system? (Josh Stern)
Linux on HP netserver E60 ? ("Jef")
Re: glib/gtk problems (Hylke van der Schaaf)
Re: Text based interface and escape codes? (Darren Greer)
Re: FreeBSD vs. Linux vs. Windows (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: linux win'98 (Philipp Pagel)
Re: 2.2.x Kernel woes (Darren Greer)
Re: Winfax issues when dumping Novell Netware for Mars_Nwe under Linux (Bernd-Ulrich
Adrigam)
Re: How can use Mathematica? (Philipp Pagel)
Re: A bash question (Niel Markwick)
Re: Printing problem (Andrew)
Re: Problems with looking up hostnames after upgrade (Greg White)
Re: Is Unix a single user operating system? (was: Wanted: Database/Contact mgr with
backend on Linux/FreeBSD, web frontend) (Stephen E. Halpin)
Re: making linux go away ("Scott L")
Re: How to Dialup to Linux Server !? (Hartmann Schaffer)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522) (David Kastrup)
mail gathering (Yan Seiner)
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From: Jonas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: KDE very slow
Date: 12 May 1999 12:01:00 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"mikerego" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I've installed KDE desktop and find it very, very slow.
> I have a Intel 233 mmx processor, 3.2 gig hard drive, 48megs of EDO
> ram 35megs of swap space and I am running RedHat 5.2.
Did you install KDe from binary RPMs? If so perhaps you should
compiling it from the source code.
I am running KDE1.1 (compiled from source) on a p150 with 24Mb of RAM
and 32MB of swap space with an updated version of
RedHat5.2. Admittedly KDE takes about a minute to start up an display
everything when I log in, but after that it runs fine.
I compiled it with only O2 optimisation as I don't really have enough
memory for O3 optimisation (the compile crashed when compiling the
kdelibs with O3 optimisation). However, you shouldn't have any
problems with higher levels of optimisation. You end up with larger
binaries, but better performance.
RPMs and distirbuted binaries are compiled (usually) for 386's
(i.e. the lowest common denominator) so you often get better
performance by compiling (memory-hungry) software yourself. Okay it
takes a bit longer than an ordinary rpm install but it's worth it in
the long run.
HTH
--
Giles Paterson
4th Year MEng Software Engineering Student,
"... Nowadays it is hard to die young, no matter how stupid, slow or
myopic you are." Dr Richard Dawkins
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher B. Browne)
Subject: Re: RedHat price...
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 10:16:04 GMT
On Wed, 12 May 1999 04:48:02 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
posted:
>According to Christopher B. Browne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>> I don't see how they could have been providing *any* installation
>> support whatsoever when they were selling the boxes for about $20.
>> (That being the most that they could charge when other companies have
>> been selling the boxes, bought from Red Hat, for $30.)
>
>There are actually several types of boxed RedHats (5.x) as well. Most
>of what you see for $20 or less doesn't include technical support.
>The box that includes support usually goes for $40.
It gets as low as $30 from discount places like LSL/Cheapbytes. Those
do appear to be the "fully supported" (such as it is) editions.
>That seemed to confuse a lot of people, so I guess they dropped the
>boxed-without-support version in favour with a unified release.
>People who don't want support are left to CheapBytes.
Hmm. I think they're still selling "PowerTools," which represents:
a) Something that's officially unsupported, and
b) The one product where Red Hat commits to contributing money to the
FSF on sales of the product.
--
Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
-- Henry Spencer <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - "What have you contributed to free software today?..."
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From: hellraiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.x,comp.windows.x
Subject: Re: glib/gtk problems
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 06:03:56 -0400
Pasztor Szilard wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.x Spud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>i just compiled and installed glib-1.2.3 without any problems. now when
> >>i run the configure script for gtk+-1.2.3 it says it can't find
> >>glib-1.2.3. why is it doing this?? nothing went wrong at all with glib
> >>and it installed in the proper directories and everything. any ideas?
>
> > Run 'ldconfig'
>
> The install script should do that.
i aldready did that just to make sure and it still didn't find glib!
>
> -----------------------------------------------
> | The sooner you die the longer you're dead. |
> -----------------------------------------------
> Jordan Rudess Rulez http://www.inf.bme.hu/~silicon
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522)
From: Ketil Z Malde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 12 May 1999 11:08:36 +0200
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Kulisz) cites Bakunin:
> The worker always has the right to leave his employer, but has he the
> means to do so?
I don't know whether he does in Canada, I have successfully left a
few.
> And if he does quit him, is it in order to lead a free
> existence, in which he will have no master but himself?
Perhaps not in mid-nineteenth century, but I know a few who have.
> No, he does it in order to sell himself to another employer. He
> is driven to it by the same hunger which forced him to sell
> himself to the first employer.
Or you could say he chooses to do so, because of the relative safety
and security of getting a check every month.
> The truth is that the whole life of the worker is simply a
> continuous and dismaying succession of terms of serfdom -
> voluntary from the juridical point of view but compulsory in the
> economic sense - broken up by momentarily brief interludes of
> freedom accompanied by starvation; in other words, it is real
> slavery.
Yeah, sure. That really describes this worker's situation accurately.
-kzm
--
If I haven't seen further, it is by standing in the footprints of giants
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Is Unix a single user operating system?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Josh Stern)
Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 15:37:17 GMT
Jesus Monroy, Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> win95 can share, but it is entirely with other
> winXX systems and only if you install the network
> portion and ONLY if set the sharing. It's relatively
> simple, but requires a person to do this.
>
> Additionally, win95 has no facilities to
> have programs started remotely; unless
> special packages are installed.
I read a chunk of this thread, and as far as I can tell, the
claim that Win9X offers different options with regard to lack
of network access is just plainly false.
All of these things are configurable in Unix as well. First there
is the choice of whether to install communications hardware in
the machine (e.g. ethernet card, modem cable, etc.). Then
there are all sorts of options in the init routines regarding
how many ttys to have and where they listen and whether they
allow root access, etc. Things like rexec are certainly
optional and configurable. Lots of machines use firewalls
with all sorts of different levels of security hurdles for
any network travel coming from the outside, which can only
come through a special gateway machine, etc. These things
are all well known.
- Josh
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From: "Jef" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linux on HP netserver E60 ?
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 06:23:42 -0500
Is there anyone who has Linux on a HP netserver E60 PII-400 ?
I have not much experience with Linux and would like to be
sure that all the drivers are available before I buy the pc.
technical specifications (whatever they mean):
proc: intel pentium II
ram: 64 MB 100 Mhz ECC SDRAM
video: AGP slot with bundled ATI Rage IIc AGP
cd: IDE CD-ROM
SCSI: integrated dual channel ultra/wide scsi
IDE: embedded ultra DMA/33 E-IDE dual channel PCI controller
NIC: integrated 10/100 TX LAN adapter (on the motherboard)
tape: HP surestore DAT8i tape drive
thanks for your reactions
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Hylke van der Schaaf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,comp.windows.x
Subject: Re: glib/gtk problems
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 13:30:34 -0700
hellraiser wrote:
> Pasztor Szilard wrote:
> > In comp.os.linux.x Spud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >>i just compiled and installed glib-1.2.3 without any problems. now when
> > >>i run the configure script for gtk+-1.2.3 it says it can't find
> > >>glib-1.2.3. why is it doing this?? nothing went wrong at all with glib
> > >>and it installed in the proper directories and everything. any ideas?
> >
> > > Run 'ldconfig'
> >
> > The install script should do that.
>
> i aldready did that just to make sure and it still didn't find glib!
Is /usr/local/lib listed in the file /etc/ld.so.conf ?
if not, add it.
Hylke
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Darren Greer)
Subject: Re: Text based interface and escape codes?
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 02:26:22 GMT
I am writing one currently for our HPUX system, using Perl and the
Curses Module. It is very nice. I would post some of my code but it
is VERY messy as things keep getting added and added to the project.
And also, theres that whole thing about proprietary information.
Darren
On Tue, 11 May 1999 22:13:33 +0200, Mats Pettersson
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
-->Hi all!
-->
-->I'm planning on doing a small utility program and want people to be able
-->to acess it through telnet.
-->
-->The users are novice of computers, so i want to do a simple text
-->interface (sort of like redhats install interface).
-->
-->I want the user to be able to jump between fields with arrow or tab
-->keys.
-->
-->The telnet client use vt100 emulation.
-->
-->I planned programming in perl. Can anybody guide me to some examples of
-->similar code or to information on escapecodes and such for vt100
-->terminals?
-->
-->Thanks!
-->
-->Mats
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: FreeBSD vs. Linux vs. Windows
Date: 11 May 1999 21:28:42 -0500
In article <7h9c8f$kre$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Vernon Schryver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>No. If it is necessary, is there some reason that there isn't a
>>useful default or a mention of the option in the man page?
>
>The load limiting is mentioned in the "op" document. Look for QueueLA,
>RefuseLA, and CurrentLA. They were called x and X in the old days.
>
>A better question might be why the QueueIntvl can be set as low as 1
>second. On the other hand, it's easy to imagine wierd but valid situations
>in which 1 second queue runs are appropriate and where any values for
>QueueLA and RefuseLA that you'd care to document would be wrong. Since
>I first encountered the load limits, appropriate defaults for standard
>installations (QueueIntvl >= 15m) have increased about 40x, at least for
>some systems. Recall the classic UNIX dictum about sharp edged tools.
Actually I am not sure that the load went particularly high as the
system would grind to a halt. It was basically only doing sendmail
and all of the processes were waiting for something. But, when enough
copies push VM far enough into swap it just takes forever to do
anything. If you have sized your swap reasonably, I'd expect it
to be a good default to defer starting anything that could possibly
wait if you've used up half of the swap space.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Philipp Pagel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: linux win'98
Date: 12 May 1999 02:10:01 GMT
> Is it possible to view a linux file under Win'98?
> The reason I'm asking is that I want to synchronized my Netscape settings
> under both linux and Win-98.
> I know this is possible using Win NT and Solaris.
Should be no problem, if Netscape uses the same file format on all systems.
I have never tried the options, but the bookmark file works fine for me on
both LINUX and Win. Only one thing is different: the naming scheme - on MS
systems Netscape sticks to the old DOS 8+3 pattern.
cu
Philipp
--
Dr. Philipp Pagel
Dept. of Cellular and Molecular Physiology
Yale University
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Darren Greer)
Subject: Re: 2.2.x Kernel woes
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 02:24:37 GMT
-->I have one linux box connected to an ADSL line, which acts as a gateway
-->for my internal network. It is running kernel 2.0.35. A workstation on
-->the internal network was running 2.0.35 and I could not see a problem
-->anywhere. Of course, when the 2.2.x kernels came out, I upgraded.
-->I now have 2.2.7, and as far as I can tell, one thing has "broken" and
-->that is my ability to IRC from the workstation. In 2.0.35, I could fire
-->up XChat or BitchX and IRC directly from the workstation, but with
-->2.2.7, I have to telnet to the gateway and IRC from there. I have
-->duplicated, to the best of my abilities, the network setup that I had
-->for 2.0.35 in the 2.2.7 kernel, and nothing (I wish I had the settings
-->for each kernel on me, but I don't).
Im not sure if this is the problem or now....but in your hosts.deny
file in /etc, what do you have setup?
Also, does anything show up in /var/log/messages on either box that
gives you a clue?
Darren
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bernd-Ulrich Adrigam)
Crossposted-To:
symantec.support.network.winfax.general,symantec.support.win3x.winfax4.general,comp.os.netware.misc
Subject: Re: Winfax issues when dumping Novell Netware for Mars_Nwe under Linux
Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 06:46:12 +0200
Hi Peter,
Ethernet_II is used by TCP/IP, so change the IPX frame type to
Ethernet_802.2 at each Win-PC
_AND_ also at the Novell server, if not already set ( at the
server-console: load inetcfg)
_AND_ also in /etc/nwserv.conf at the Linux server.
You can list the Netware netconfiguration by typing "config" at the
server-console.
Bernd
Peter Caffin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb in im Newsbeitrag:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<snip>
>
> Where there are Windows boxes set up to "automatically guess" or set with
> Ethernet types that are different to the Winfax Server, the Netware box is
> acting as a frame type translator, essentially. If this is so (I'll test
> this today), then it should just be a matter of visiting each PC and the
> server and changing their IPX frame type to Ethernet_II.
>
> --: _ _ _ _
> _oo__ |_|_ |__ _ | _ |_|_o _ pc at it dot net dot a u |
> file://`'\_ | (/_|(/_| |_(_|| | || | it.net.au/~pc |
> / PO Box 869, Hillarys WA 6923, AUSTRALIA |
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From: Philipp Pagel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How can use Mathematica?
Date: 12 May 1999 02:14:14 GMT
> I'm Korean. I can speek a little english. forgive me...
> I want to use Mathematica in redhat linux.
> How can I get it?
> Isn't it free?
No, it's not. But if you are a student, the licence is really affordable -
~ $150.
cu
Philipp
--
Dr. Philipp Pagel
Dept. of Cellular and Molecular Physiology
Yale University
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From: Niel Markwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: A bash question
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 13:21:05 +0200
Do-Hoon Kwon wrote:
>
> Hello,
> Does anybody know how to check the status of the statement 1 in
>
> statement 1 | statement 2
>
> As I understand, the variable ? holds the exit status of the last
> command. However, I want the exit status of statement 1 while not
> breaking the pipe.
You need statement 1 to finish before statement 2 has been started so that
you can retrieve the exit status.
This is not possible with a pipe, because with a pipe, both commands
execute simultaneously - you will have to use temporary files.
TMPFILE=/tmp/temp_`basename $0`_$$
statement_1 > $TMPFILE
if [ $? = 0 ]
then action_on_sucess < $TMPFILE
else action_on_failure < $TMPFILE
fi
HTH,
Niel
--
Niel Markwick
Kontich, Belgium.
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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 11:41:19 +0000
From: Andrew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Printing problem
Hey,
Are you trying to print over a network? Is that why you are saying
"due to a bad network configuration"? If that's the case, you need a
file on the computer with the printer called hosts.lpd in the /etc
directory. It should list host names of the computer you want access
to the printer. Also the host should exist in /etc/hosts
ex. /etc/hosts
192.1681.1 foo.who.org foo
ex. /etc/hosts.lpd
foo
Andrew....
Edouard Oyer wrote:
> Hi Guys,
>
> I really need your help on that one. I am in despair of doing anything.
> I already went through the printing HOWTO and things are not the way
> they should be.
> I am able to print when I am logged as root. I can't otherwise. The
> message I get is
> "lpr: connect: permission denied.
> Jobs queued, but cannot start daemon."
> The printing HOWTO says it is generally due to a bad network
> configuration. In that case how can I be able to print when being root?
> I am loosing my last hair.
> Thanks for your help,
>
> Edouard
> --
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From: Greg White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux.slackware,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Problems with looking up hostnames after upgrade
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 01:50:47 GMT
Gambit32 wrote:
>
> Also:
>
> May 10 12:19:44 www named[6317]: Ready to answer queries.
> May 10 12:19:54 www named[6317]: No root nameservers for class IN
>
> Dammit. Im so lost for ideas
>
> On Sun, 09 May 1999 16:27:24 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> (Gambit32) wrote:
>
> >we recently upgraded from slackware 3.1 to 3.6, and now our machine is
> >having severe problems getting hosts from ips.
> >
> >TCP wrappers should give out the username@host when we connect to our
> >server, but that doesnt work. it gives usernam@ip.
> >
> >In my perl scripts and includes on my web page
> >(http://www.academic.marist.edu/carob/) it should be saying came from
> >host / ip but that doesnt work either.
> >
> >Even more peculiar, we have listings in /etc/hosts like
> >148.100.215.108 area51.groom-lake.nv.us area51
> >When i connect to the machine, it used to say
> >"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" but it wont even do THAT anymore.
> >
> >I have no idea exactly where the problem is. Ive checked the kernel,
> >my perl scripts, ive recompiled my wrapper program. im just lost!
> >
> >PLEASE anyone who can help. PLEASE.
> >
I'm by no means a DNS expert, but here's a couple of thoughts:
1. Are you doing your own DNS, or is someone doing it for you, i.e. a
service provider? If the former, I highly recommend that you have a look
at the DNS-HOWTO. It's not a long document (about 10-20 pages), and it
has all the info necessary to get a basic DNS going for your site,
including automatic scheduled update of 'root.cache'. If not, try
killing named, and verify that /etc/resolv.conf contains only your ISPs
DNS address.
http://metalab.unc.edu/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/DNS-HOWTO
for the HOWTO.
If the DNS-HOWTO sounds confusing, feel free to email me. I have a
mostly working server at work (failing hard disk, but holding up,
hopefully, until the new one gets here), that I can cadge answers from..
GW
P.S. Follow-ups set to alt.os.linux.slackware, as that's where I've been
following this thread.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stephen E. Halpin)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Is Unix a single user operating system? (was: Wanted: Database/Contact
mgr with backend on Linux/FreeBSD, web frontend)
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 03:09:44 GMT
On 11 May 1999 03:00:44 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Frank Crary) wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>Rolf Marvin B�e Lindgren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>UNIX supports several users out of convenience - some processes are best
>>run as a separate users.
>
>You might want to go back and read some of the things Brian Kernighan and
>others have written about the development of unix. Support for multiple
>(real) users was what unix was designed for. Various processes and
>daemons now use different accounts, but I'm fairly sure that wasn't
>true of AT&T version 1. A multi-user environment was a goal from the
>start, and the fact that certain system processes can take advantage of
>this was a later development.
>
>>...to me, the fact that the same machine can run
>>several login shells simultaneously is not sufficient to call it
>>anything else. the concept, in UNIX, is a hack - for instance, that
>>there are only two levels of user - root and not root.
>
>And? Would you care to explain why more than two levels of users
>is vital (i.e. to a multi-user operating system.) For essentially
>all of my work (both as a user and a system administrator) those
>two levels are usually all I need, and sudo works well for dealing
>with the exceptions. Things like the VMS OPERATOR are only useful
>if you need someone with root-like but limited access and don't
>trust that person with full root access. Except for the situations
>sudo can easily deal with, I don't see this as a real problem.
Vital is somewhat ambiguous. As you point out, you are running
a system with multiple users with only two levels of user. As
you start dealing with far larger communities where the user base
is generally hostile (mainframes in a university setting for
example) having more fine grained control over permissions (ie
NOS, NOS/VE and VMS) can be a major win, particularly when the
junior members of your operations staff are likely to be hostile
students as well. In more secure environments systems like NOS
could be configured in a compartmentalized form where one user
couldnt permit his files to a second user if the two users didnt
share particular security rights. On NOS/VE the concept of
segments for file based virtual memory with ring attributes
allowed processes to run within multiple rings, having whatever
permission was necessary to perform a given task but not more.
This included allowing users to write code in an outter ring
and reference code and data in an inner ring through permission
mechanisms enforcable by the code in the inner ring. With this
you could store files in user accounts at a ring level the user
wasnt permitted access to, allowing for the files to be properly
spread across a disk farm and accounted for while at the same
time preventing the user from performing illegal operations on
the files. Even in the UNIX world you will find some highly
secured variants where you cant even cut and paste between windows
in incompatible security domains controlled by a secured X server
and secure window manager.
Then you start looking at resource management. With UNIX, either
everyone gets access to the tape drives, or they dont. With more
advanced systems, such resources can be allocated, and deadlock
detection can be performed. Access is secured through programmatic
and/or operational means. The scheduling of CPU, memory, and other
resources among timeshare and batch jobs is infinitely more
controllable on larger systems, and again, more advanced permission
systems give an operations staff more control over how they
manage their resources.
Basically there are a lot of neat things you can do with
operating systems which have these additional capabilities.
They can also make doing the simplest of things nearly
impossible. It all depends upon what you need.
>>if you want a true shared user system, go for an operating system that
>>supports it - NOS, VMS, TOPS-20.
>
>Ah. I may see why I disagree with you. You seem to be confusing a
>``shared user system'' with a multi-user system. Take the account
>and machine I am using to post this ([EMAIL PROTECTED]).
>Just about anyone at the University of Colorado, Boulder, can get
>an account on that machine, or one of a number of similar machines
>(which accounts go on which machines is a matter of balancing
>loads, with few other criteria.) At the moment, there are 46 people
>using it. It is very convenient to have one machine that fifty-odd
>people can use, and I would call this a multi-user system. But the
>machine is for email and internet access, not collaborative work.
>I _don't_want_ other users to have access to the files in my
>home directory, since I have no idea who they are and no control
>over who might get an account on this machine. A ``true shared
>user system'' is inappropriate for this application. This application
>calls for sharing disk space and CPU time, not sharing access to
>files. Unix is a very good choice for that job.
>
> Frank Crary
> CU Boulder
-Steve
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From: "Scott L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.caldera,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: making linux go away
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 07:54:12 -0500
maybe to actually run 90% of the applications he needs to that wont run on
Linux ? its remarks like this one below that gives linux users the name of
freaks - get a grip would you - theres no way to run a linux only business
environment unless you use very FEW apps
THEVENIN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> The question is : why do you want to remove Linux ?
>
>
> mike mathog wrote:
>
> > I did an install of Red Hat at one point, and now I just want it gone.
> >
> > Using FDISK to blow away the partitions though doesn't seem to do the
> > trick. The LILO boot still comes up. If I disconnect the drive and put
> > another one there even, then the machine just keeps asking me to reboot
> > over and over.
> >
> > How do I get rid of Linux in the boot sector (I guess that's where it
> > is) once and for all?
> >
> > thanks,
> > -mike
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hartmann Schaffer)
Subject: Re: How to Dialup to Linux Server !?
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 03:26:29 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Chow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hello,
>
> Is it possible to dialup to Linux Server from Linux workstation or
> other platform ?
> If it can, would you please to teach me how to setup it ??
>
> Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Best regards,
> Eric
Me too please. I have been particular unsuccessful setting up, and I
haveen;t gotten any response to my inquiries.
Hartmann schaffer
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From: David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522)
Date: 12 May 1999 14:54:02 +0200
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Walter Tice USG) writes:
> In article <7h8d6e$8eu$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "FM" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >Mike Coffin wrote:
>
> >Anarchy naturally begs for dictatorship. That's what history
> >lessons are for. Why do you think the French Revolution and
> >the Russian Revolution both resulted (one temporarily and on
> >more or less permanently) in totalitarian regimes? Even Hitler's
> >rise to power can be attributed to political and economic
> >anarchy in Germany.
>
>
> You forgot Mussolini.
>
> Also anarchy is a political dimension. In this century do not
> underestimate the impact of the economic dimension. In Russia,
> Germany, and Italy during these times of political anarchy there
> was also hyperinflation. I'm afraid our next history lesson
> will again be in Russia. We may find ourselves wishing for the
> days of Breshnev and Andropov before too long.
There were no days of Andropov. Like pope John Paul I, he did not
live long enough to enact any changes of principal nature. IIRC,
however, in the former case there were decidedly fewer doubts about
natural causes.
--
David Kastrup Phone: +49-234-700-5570
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fax: +49-234-709-4209
Institut f�r Neuroinformatik, Universit�tsstr. 150, 44780 Bochum, Germany
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From: Yan Seiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: mail gathering
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 08:07:55 -0400
My web site hosting service is getting rid of procmail, so I need to set
up an email handler on my server.
All of the mail coming in to 2 domains will be forwarded to a single
box: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From there, I need to collect it and process it
with procmail. I have the recipes for procmail, and sendmail works, all
I need is a way to get the mail from the [EMAIL PROTECTED] to my local
server.
I'm not an expert in mail, so any advice on how to do this would be
welcome.
Yan
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