Linux-Misc Digest #173, Volume #20 Wed, 12 May 99 18:13:09 EDT
Contents:
Re: Proper use of /usr/local (Re: The Best Linux distribution?) (david parsons)
Re: Redhat 6.0 broken? ("D. Vrabel")
Re: Proper use of /usr/local (Re: The Best Linux distribution?) (Alexander Viro)
Re: Starting X at boot-up (Matthew Bafford)
Re: job for sendmail? (pces)
Re: Nonstop flickering display (Bill Unruh)
Re: quicktime (Walter Strong)
Re: Some web server questions... (John Murtari)
Re: Proper use of /usr/local (Re: The Best Linux distribution?) (Leslie Mikesell)
acroread failure on RH 6.0 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux and windows floppy drive problems ("Baumans")
Re: Ken Thompson on Linux (Rob Fisher)
Re: x11amp and CD's (David Menestrina)
Re: mt tape command - assistance please (Rob Komar)
Re: Linux and windows floppy drive problems (J Knight)
Re: *.tgz (J Knight)
Re: *.tgz (J Knight)
Re: speech synthesizer for linux? (Jonathan Epstein)
NTFS on Red Hat 6.0 ("Thomas R. Shannon")
Re: Debian: still viable? (J.H.M. Dassen (Ray))
Re: *.tgz (Edwin Chacon)
trying to use caldera 2.2 as a mail server ("Francisco Rivera")
Re: Ken Thompson on Linux (Tom Payne)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (Greg Yantz)
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From: o r c @ p e l l . p o r t l a n d . o r . u s (david parsons)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Proper use of /usr/local (Re: The Best Linux distribution?)
Date: 12 May 1999 13:43:06 -0700
In article <7hauq8$klo$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Leslie Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Why would you ever want to keep running some old apps on purpose when
>the upgrade is available?
Because the old apps work, and there's no point in promiscuously
fucking around with them.
____
david parsons \bi/ Stability is good.
\/
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From: "D. Vrabel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Redhat 6.0 broken?
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 21:26:01 +0100
On 12 May 1999, Johan Kullstam wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas B. Quillinan) writes:
>
> > XuYifeng ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > : Is Redhat6.0 broken and refuse to install new kernel?
> > : I have installed kernel source file 2.2.7 and make a kernel, the kernel
> > : is only 470K,
> > : but when I run lilo, it always complains that "Kernel /boot/zImage is
> > : too big",
> > : why?!
> >
> > It seems that lilo is a little broken in RH6...I have the same problem.
> > do a make bzImage instead of a make zImage - That works for me!
>
> it's not lilo's fault. it's the brain dead design of the intel x86
> processor. a zImage suffers from the 640k 16 bit memory access
> limitation. the bzImage avoids this by expanding and loading in
> stages but that has been problematic with certain machines -- mostly
> laptops.
x86 uses 20 bit addresses in real mode giving an address range of 1 Mbyte.
This limitation to 640 kbyte is caused by the use of the upper 384k for
hardware devices. The 20 bits is split into a 4 bit segment number and a
16 bit address within that segment.
David
--
David Vrabel
Engineering Undergraduate at University of Cambridge, UK.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alexander Viro)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Proper use of /usr/local (Re: The Best Linux distribution?)
Date: 12 May 1999 17:05:53 -0400
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Even if you do a non-port/non-package install you'll still be *far*
> better off if you register them in the package database to *help*
> you *maintain* them yourself. It's really quite trivial.
Darn... Ditto for dpkg. World *really* isn't RPM, you know...
> This isn't Linux; We don't have random a.out vs ELF, g?libc[0-9],
> etc BS to deal with after a system upgrade.
s/Linux/RedHat/. RH doesn't have a unified maintained source tree. And it
sucks. There are decently maintained distributions. Yup, maintained by a
team, with real packaging system, etc. As for a.out vs. ELF BS... IIRC
there were postings here (in c.u.b.f.m) regarding problems with such
transition. Me? Upgraded FreeBSD boxen from 2.2.8 to 3.0 with no problems.
But I *did* RTFM. Which prevents corresponding problems with Debian upgrades
quite fine, thank you very much.
Maybe, just maybe, instead of repeating the trivial observation that RH
packaging system sucks boulders through the straw you might spend your
time better if you'ld look at the less sucking Linux-based systems?
--
"You're one of those condescending Unix computer users!"
"Here's a nickel, kid. Get yourself a better computer" - Dilbert.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthew Bafford)
Subject: Re: Starting X at boot-up
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 21:06:20 GMT
On Wed, 12 May 1999 14:56:59 -0300, Jim McIntyre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
held some poor sysadmin at gun point while typing in the following:
: Some question about my boot-up process.
:
: 1. How do I boot Linux directly into X. I cant' find the command to use
: anywhere.
Edit /etc/inittab:
Change:
id:3:initdefault:
to
id:5:initdefault:
: 3. Are there any potential security compromises associated with booting
: directly into X.
This just gives an graphical login prompt.
man xdm for more information.
: Thanks in advance
HTH,
--Matthew
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From: pces <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: job for sendmail?
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 00:09:10 +0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Christopher Mahmood wrote:
> if i understand what you're saying, you are describing Leif Erlingsson
> sendmail-envelope hack (http://www.lege.com and the Mail-Queue
> Howto).
Thanks! I appreciate the information! I realized just now, actually just
this morning while reading the Mail-Howto(just in case I missed something)
that I wasn't supposed to post mail questions here in misc. I guess in my
ignorance, I failed to catch that. Sorry to all. But then again, in my
ignorance,
I guess I assumed that since I wasn't sure which area this belonged to,
I guess misc would've been more appropriate.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh)
Subject: Re: Nonstop flickering display
Date: 12 May 1999 21:15:16 GMT
In <7hcaf6$3lj$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> david letchumanan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
>Hi there, I am not sure of previous posting of this question right. So, I
>am doing it again. We have a pritserver running S.u.S.E 5.1 Linux. A
>while ago we just swapped the monitor without any changes to the
>xf86setup. It was working fine. Yesterday I did a "shutdown now -r" on
>it. PC came back upto starting xdm...,(it goes into xwindow straight) but
>the the display won't come up. Just keeps flickering. We are unable to
>stop this. (We tried "Ctrl+Alt+F1" and no help). PC is functioning and
>the printing is just fine. Just the flickering display. Please help.
>How can we get in. We do not have boot disk. Thanks. David L (one of
>the newbie)
Log on from the internet to the server. Change the default in inittab to
level 3
id:3:initdefault:
Reboot, and you will now have a console you can log in on. Now try
rerunning XFConfigurator (or whatever the X configuration tool is) making sure that
you enter the corrct hor and vert frequencies for the new monitor
(or just go into /etc/X11/XF86Config and edit the monitor lines by hand)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Walter Strong)
Subject: Re: quicktime
Date: 12 May 1999 16:23:33 GMT
Allan Adler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: Is there a way to watch quicktime movies under RedHat 5.1 Linux?
: Allan Adler
: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Disclaimer: I haven't tried the following....
Under Windows, I used to hate the Quicktime app so I changed the
extensions of Quicktime files to .avi and they ran find under
whatever I was using to view .avi files (I forget what it was, it's been
a long time since switching to linux). Now, Xanim handles .avi very well,
so maybe just changing extensions will work under linux using
Xanim. I would have tested it myself, but I don't have any
Quicktime files to test.
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From: John Murtari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Some web server questions...
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 00:59:03 -0400
>
> 1. Is there really any difference between RealAudio/Video streaming through a
> Real server (PNM) and using HTTP streaming?
Not sure what you mean by HTTP streaming? The RealAudio client on your
system buffers data coming from the Server, and starts "playing" while
the
rest of the data is coming (assuming that the bandwith it saw will allow
it to
download the rest while you are listening).
>
> 2. What are some ColdFusion-like solutions for Linux? (I'm looking at MySQL and
> HTMLScript, but I was wondering if anybody else had some ideas.)
You may want to try PHP for scripting, performance is great as an
Apache Module and integrates well with PHP. See http://www.php.net/,
I also have some live demos of php/mysql at
http://www.thebook-demo.com/php
>
> 3. Anything I should backup before upgrading to Red Hat Linux 6.0? (I think it
> replaces some config files, but I'm not sure.)
We have done a few installs. I would backup everything. If you
plan on doing an "upgrade" you should plan for the first and anticipate
the
entire disk may need to be reformatted.
>
> 4. Any advise/docs on setting up a quota for multiple users?
>
> 5. I'm having problems getting Frontpage Extensions for Apache (1.3.6) to work
> with suEXEC. I have a global directory for _vti_bin, but suEXEC doesn't like
> the different uid. For example, www.foobar.com with a user/group of
> foobar/users can't look at a file with a user/group of www/users. www/users and
> foobar/users are both in the suEXEC range (I set it to 500/500; www/users is
> 500/500; foobar is 538/500). Is there a way for suEXEC to ignore that mismatch
> check for certain directories or do I have to create a separate _vti_bin for
> each user?
>
>
If you are going to have common stuff in a common directory, you may
need to edit the suexec.c code to allow special directorys. The code is
fairly
easy to read.
Best regards!
--
John
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Customer Service Sofware Workshop Inc.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Proper use of /usr/local (Re: The Best Linux distribution?)
Date: 12 May 1999 12:01:55 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>: Philosophically I almost agree, but practically I just drop in another
>: hard drive and have a chuckle about how they cost 10 times as much
>: a few years ago.
>
> It's not simply a matter of disk space.
Right. It's much more a matter of human time, and it boils down
to the question of whether you want to only have to track the few
things that you know you have maintain locally or do you want to
track individually everything the rest of the world is doing
and decide separately whether you want the upgrades and new
stuff for every machine every 6 months. For Linux at least,
the distributors are doing a very good job of tracking and
including the right things.
>: I use most of those things on most of my machines, and am willing to waste
>: a couple of dollars of disk space to have them for experimentation and
>: reading the manual on the machines that don't really need them. Apache is
>: as much a part of a modern system as sendmail - at least my systems.
>
> The default Apache is fine for static HTML and a few CGI scripts.
>
> Anyone doing anything really interesting however, will likely
> want or need to build there own.
In theory, you don't have to do that any more since all the modules
are dynamically loadable and you can just add what you need. In
practice, I build my own static-linked version with mod_perl and
sometimes php3 on the machines that need it, and I keep those
versions out of the system space. When I stop reading about bugs
in DSO'd mod_perl I'll probably switch.
>: I don't understand your arbitrary distinction between system
>: and non-system, or how it relates at all to local modifications.
>
> Sorry, but Gimp and Doom aren't system components. The distinction
> is far from arbitrary.
If it weren't arbitrary, I guess we wouldn't disagree about it.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: acroread failure on RH 6.0
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 21:09:14 GMT
Has anyone had success with acroread under RH 6.0? I get
Warning: locale not supported by C library, locale unchanged
Warning locale not supported by Xlib, local set to C
Warning: X locale modifiers not supported, using default
[the above, I get in other programs, too]
Fatal System Error: Raise at top of Exception Stack
This is both the 3.0 version of the reader and the 4.0 version of the
reader.
Incidentally, similar problems happen with nscal (the netscape calendar
from Netscape 4.5 [where do I get an updated version for 4.51?]). I
presume this is all due to glibc 2.1, but if there is a fix, I would
like to know.
--== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==--
---Share what you know. Learn what you don't.---
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From: "Baumans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux and windows floppy drive problems
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 20:14:57 GMT
Nitin Mule wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Hi,
>
>Check /etc/fstab for the entry corresponding to your floppy device eg
>/dev/fd0. If it specifies ext2fs as file system type, change it to
>msdos. Or simply be explicit while mounting dos formatted floppy. Type
>mount -t msdos /dev/fd0 (or whatever floppy device you have). Hope this
>helps.
>
Actually, my problems were in windows, and were created because(probably)
something that linux screwed with when it installed
>Nitin.
>
>
>Baumans wrote:
>>
>> I use a 3.5 inch floppy drive. It works fine normally, but
>> when I have linux installed, it always says that (in windows) any
>> (formatted)
>> floppy isn't formated. This happened both times when I installed linux
>> twice, and when I uninstalled
>> linux the first time, it worked. Do you know any way to fix it without
>> uninstalling linux.I use slackware linux 3.6 .
>>
>> --
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From: Rob Fisher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Ken Thompson on Linux
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 18:01:05 +0100
> >This is an area where I believe Linux may struggle. If you look at
> >things like DiskSuite or LVM, they're hugely complicated pieces of
> >software, which by their very nature have to be exceptionally reliable.
> >It's going to be hard for the bedroom hackers to match them.
>
> Might I ask why? There are no new principles involved in the creation of
> logical volume management software or journaling filesystems, and the
> details of implementation are for the most part in the public domain, in
> journal articles and the like. A "bedroom hacker" can read with the best
> of them. Perhaps even better; many "bedroom hackers" are firmly located in
> academe.
I know. I've worked with some of them. What I mean is this: In the
corporate world people will pay very large sums of money for guaranteed
reliability and someone to shout at when things go wrong. Companies like
Veritas sell their products on the strength of a proven reputation, made
in industry under the most demanding of circumstances. The same goes for
the big Unix vendors, and it's the one thing Linux will struggle to
achieve.
My original point was that NT has a stranglehold on the desktop and is
fast taking over the low-end server market, and that people with
high-end gear are happy to pay through the nose for the big names and
are frightened of taking on FSF type software. Where does that leave
Linux and FreeBSD? In the hands of hobbyists?
> Likewise, very complex tasks have been accomplished by "bedroom hackers",
> such as the linux kernel. I don't think that that's necessarily a
> shortcoming in this sense, either. While a corporation might do it faster
> by firehosing money and resources at the problem, it brings to mind the
> development aphorism "Quick, Good, Cheap: Choose Two".
I certainly don't use "bedroom hackers" as a derogatory term. I have
enormous respect not only for the programming ability of these people,
and their ability to accomplish alone what huge corporations never
acheive (you know who I mean!), but especially for their altruism in
making the fruits of their labours available to the rest of us.
I like Linux, and I'd like nothing more than to see it drive NT out of
the professional market. I just think some people are getting carried
away.
Rob
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From: David Menestrina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: x11amp and CD's
Date: 12 May 1999 21:19:30 GMT
Janet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Does anyone know if x11amp can play CD tracks? And if so, how do I make
> it play them?
Hi!
The latest x11amp (0.9 and up, I think) will play CD tracks. Configure
the CD Audio plugin under the Preferences dialog. You can tell it your
CD device (/dev/something), and the directory, which can be whatever you
want. When you use the open dialog and go to that directory, you'll see
"files" like Track 01.cda, etc.
Good luck!
david
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rob Komar)
Subject: Re: mt tape command - assistance please
Date: 12 May 1999 17:05:47 GMT
Administration ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: HOWZ COME THE danged " mt " command "she dont like me" ??? :-(
:
: Ok OK oK I even tried mt -f /dev/nst0 fsr n to no avail also.
If you have the mt-st-0.5 package (comes with RedHat 5.2),
then upgrade to the mt-st-0.5b package (available in either
the contrib or update area at RedHat, I can't remember which).
The 0.5 package has a bug where it ignores everything after
the second argument. Or, you can set the TAPE environmental
variable to /dev/nst0 and use `mt fsf n' (ie. leave off the
`-f /dev/nst0' part).
Cheers,
Rob Komar
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (J Knight)
Subject: Re: Linux and windows floppy drive problems
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 13:50:26 GMT
On Wed, 12 May 1999 20:12:58 GMT, "Baumans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
One thing you might consider is whether the disk was originally
formatted under windows (dos) or under linux. If it was formatted
under linux, it probably won't be recognized by the windows
(Microsoft) system, however if you format it under windows, linux
should have no problem reading it provided you use the proper type:
mount -t msdos ......
as a former respondee mentioned.
...Jason
>>
>Actually, my problems were in windows, and were created because(probably)
>something that linux screwed with when it installed
>>Nitin.
>>
>>
>>Baumans wrote:
>>>
>>> I use a 3.5 inch floppy drive. It works fine normally, but
>>> when I have linux installed, it always says that (in windows) any
>>> (formatted)
>>> floppy isn't formated. This happened both times when I installed linux
>>> twice, and when I uninstalled
>>> linux the first time, it worked. Do you know any way to fix it without
>>> uninstalling linux.I use slackware linux 3.6 .
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (J Knight)
Subject: Re: *.tgz
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 13:54:18 GMT
On Wed, 12 May 1999 21:31:07 +0100, "Nevyn"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>very simple question i know but how do i uncompresscompleatly a tgz
>file....i used gunzip(?) an it made a tar file that i can nothing
>with...what do i do next?.....if anyones willing to help..mail me an answer
>@ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
A tar file is not a compressed file, it is an archive.
tar archives files and directories
zip compresses them
to extract a tar archive, put the file.tar in the directory where you
want it unarchived and then type:
tar xf file.tar
the "x" tells that you want to extract the "tarball" as it is called.
The "f" specifies that what follows is the filename.
If you ever want to create a tarball just ask or check the man page.
Hope this helps.
...Knight
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (J Knight)
Subject: Re: *.tgz
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 14:11:37 GMT
On Wed, 12 May 1999 21:31:07 +0100, "Nevyn"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>very simple question i know but how do i uncompresscompleatly a tgz
>file....i used gunzip(?) an it made a tar file that i can nothing
>with...what do i do next?.....if anyones willing to help..mail me an answer
>@ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
A tar file is not a compressed file, it is an archive.
tar archives files and directories
zip compresses them
to extract a tar archive, put the file.tar in the directory where you
want it unarchived and then type:
tar xf file.tar
the "x" tells that you want to extract the "tarball" as it is called.
The "f" specifies that what follows is the filename.
If you ever want to create a tarball just ask or check the man page.
Hope this helps.
...Knight
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From: Jonathan Epstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.speech,comp.speech.users
Subject: Re: speech synthesizer for linux?
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 15:54:40 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Does some know a good, understandable speech synthesizer that runs
> under Linux? A free one is even better, but first and foremost it must
> work. ;-)
I was going to suggest looking at the new ViaVoice for Linux, but
apparently they haven't yet bundled the speech synthesis portion of
ViaVoice into the Linux project.
>
> Also, does someone know a speech synth that can speak formulas (even if
> it runs under Windows)?
Aster, by the author of emacsspeak, is likely to be your best bet
(Unix-only, I believe).
http://cs.cornell.edu/home/raman/aster/demo.html
Good luck,
- Jonathan
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From: "Thomas R. Shannon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: NTFS on Red Hat 6.0
Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 11:18:03 -0500
I was told that Red Hat 6.0 would support mounting NTFS partitions
read-only. I have upgraded from 5.2. When running the mount command
I get:
"fs type ntfs not supported by kernel"
I believe my kernel is 2.2.5 (default with RH 6.0). Could someone
give me a hint as to what I need to do to get this to work?
Thanks in advance,
Tom
______________________________________________________________________
Quote for Monday, May 10 1999:
"What's really important in life? Sitting on a beach? Looking a the
television eight hours a day? I think we have to appreciate that we're
alive for only a limited period of time, and we'll spend most of our
lives working. That being the case, I believe one of the most
important priorities is to do whatever we do as well as we can. We
should take pride in that."
- Victor Kiam -
_________________________________________________________________
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (J.H.M. Dassen (Ray))
Subject: Re: Debian: still viable?
Date: 12 May 1999 11:48:04 GMT
Chris Mauritz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>However, if you're comfortable supporting yourself, I've found that RH is a
>bit quicker on the draw dealing with security issues and getting patches up
>on their site.
>
>I haven't used Debian much for quite some time so perhaps they've gotten
>better on the security and patches front.
I don't think there is much diffence. Sometimes Red Hat beats us in getting
fixed packages out, sometimes we beat them. Have a look at
http://www.debian.org/Lists-Archives/debian-security-announce-9805/threads.html
Ray
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From: Edwin Chacon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: *.tgz
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 14:20:08 -0700
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
okay..you have to gunzip -d ....which you did..
then you have to untar it ...
tar -xvf somefile.tar
x = extract
v = verbose ...tells you what the system is doing currently..
f = file....tells the system it is a file you are going to untar...not a tape
archive(pyhsical tape back-up)
Anything else..email ..me
Nevyn wrote:
> very simple question i know but how do i uncompresscompleatly a tgz
> file....i used gunzip(?) an it made a tar file that i can nothing
> with...what do i do next?.....if anyones willing to help..mail me an answer
> @ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
==============95EE5EF8BEB677D5A863763F
Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
<!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en">
<html>
okay..you have to gunzip -d ....which you did..
<br>then you have to untar it ...<i></i>
<p><i>tar -xvf somefile.tar</i><i></i>
<p>x = extract
<br>v = verbose ...tells you what the system is doing currently..
<br>f = file....tells the system it is a file you are going to untar...not
a tape archive(pyhsical tape back-up)
<p>Anything else..email ..me
<p>Nevyn wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>very simple question i know but how do i uncompresscompleatly
a tgz
<br>file....i used gunzip(?) an it made a tar file that i can nothing
<br>with...what do i do next?.....if anyones willing to help..mail me an
answer
<br>@ [EMAIL PROTECTED]</blockquote>
</html>
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From: "Francisco Rivera" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: trying to use caldera 2.2 as a mail server
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 15:31:53 -0500
I'd appreciate any help anyone could give,
I'm trying to use caldera 2.2 as a mail server but I can't figure it out. I
have a cable modem and I figured out the address assigned to my computer and
I use my other computer w/ a dial up account to log in to the http server
and ftp servers. I have sent email to other accounts from my linux machine,
but i can't figure out what I need to configure to send email to the linux
machine.
thanks
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From: Tom Payne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Ken Thompson on Linux
Date: 12 May 1999 20:51:18 GMT
Jerry Lapham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: In <7h9s7h$2oa$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 05/11/99
: at 06:17 PM, Tom Payne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
:> On the desktop, Linux is hampered mainly by its inability to run the
:> standard desktop software, which is distributed mostly as Win32
:> binaries. The WINE project, however, is gaining momentum and can now
: In the long run, WINE may not even be necessary. If Corel provides a
: quality Word Perfect Office suite for Linux and the box makers start
: preloading it, even MS Office may be in trouble.
It's my understanding that the way Corel intends to do that is by
helping to complete WINE.
Tom Payne
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From: Greg Yantz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism
Date: 12 May 1999 18:05:44 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Seebach) writes:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Because you say so doesn't make it so. I've had the misfortune to
> >spend hours -- hundreds of hours, in fact -- exposed to libertarian
> >drivel of all degrees of stupifying complacency.
Do you know what a libertarian is? Or is your only experience with
libertarians and libertarianism comprised of having to listen to fools
who only call themselves "libertarian", but really are just idiots?
> Perhaps. On the other hand, the things you state about libertarians
> contradict everything I've heard libertarians say, and everything I've
> read that they've written.
> >That libertarian icon, Robert Heinlein, puts the libertarian
> >philosophy in the mouth of one of his heroes: "Violence has solved
> >more of the world's problems than any other method." (Starship
> >Troopers).
>
> That's hardly a philosophy; it's an observation, and not one people
> necessarily agree with.
And even people who happen to agree with it, find it to only be a
wake up call and a *warning*, not a way of life. Might doesn't make
right, but might *wins*, so the just had better be prepared.
In the context of the book, it was stated by a character who, pretty
clearly, Heinlien portrayed as being a source of wisdom (an author's
mouthpiece, really), BUT it was presented as a reality check and a
logical challenge to a student who happened to have more wishful-thinking
idealism than sense.
> This is going to come as a real shock to you, but often, even the hero
> in a novel is a *FICTIONAL* character, whose beliefs, goals, and methods,
> may not be the same as those of the author, or of people who like the author.
This is generally true, but most likely doesn't apply to that
particular example. It doesn't change the fact that the original poster is
quoting really badly out of context, and didn't seem to understand the
passage.
-Greg
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