Linux-Misc Digest #173, Volume #19 Thu, 25 Feb 99 08:13:11 EST
Contents:
Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) (Timothy Murphy)
Re: Overclocking (was: Re: K6-2 and Linux, Are there any Bug?) (Yair Paz)
Re: AMD questions (Michael Creasy)
Which terminal ? (Michael Creasy)
Re: Overclocking (was: Re: K6-2 and Linux, Are there any Bug?) (Michael Creasy)
Re: Face it, linux is a piece of shit (Juergen Heinzl)
Re: scsi problem (Juergen Heinzl)
Using LILO to boot Win95 of /dev/hdb1? ("Joe Emenaker")
Re: Midnight Commander (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) (void)
Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) (Jason Clifford)
Re: Red Hat's sick sense of humor (support) (Jason Clifford)
Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) (Jason Clifford)
Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) (Jason Clifford)
Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) (Jason Clifford)
Re: Redhat 6.0 Release Schedule? (Jason Clifford)
tune2fs Quest ? (Jayasuthan)
Re: gunzip to another partition ("David Z. Maze")
Re: Logging out of a session ("David Z. Maze")
Re: Can't use /bin/su (Jayasuthan)
Re: su & bash shell : can't login : permission denid (Jayasuthan)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Timothy Murphy)
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)
Date: 25 Feb 1999 12:20:36 -0000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John S. Dyson) writes:
>> BSD is a knock-off of Bell Unix. Do you claim that nothing was
>> gained by the creation and ongoing life of BSD Unix?
>More accurately, what current SVR4 (whatever that is anymore) was
>based on the BSD addons.
That isn't "more accurate".
It is a statement (true or false) about an entirely different matter.
BSD was based on (in your words, "a reinvention of") Bell Labs Unix
(version 6 or 7 -- long before SVR4 was thought of).
--
Timothy Murphy
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
tel: +353-1-2842366
s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland
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From: Yair Paz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux.slackware,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Overclocking (was: Re: K6-2 and Linux, Are there any Bug?)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 11:46:25 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bugs Bunny wrote:
> you can overclock it it will run hotter and finally burn out like all chips
> that are over clocked it is a gamble
>
> do it aown risk
Bulls. some chips are meant to beoverclocked - the P2-300 for example,
in the last 6 months of it's manufacture, it was made with a P2-350 core
hard wired to be 300. you can easily un-wire it (OK , not so easily). or
the Celeron 300A which overclocks to 450 w/o a glitch just by changing
the FSB speed, or the K6-2 300 which can overclock to 375 w/o additional
cooling, or any P5 MMX chips which can usually be overclocked to about
20% more, if you have the right board, w/o needing for extra hardware
(coolants) or voltage tweeking. nowdays, you can even overclock
HardDisks.
Oded
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From: Michael Creasy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: AMD questions
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 12:22:39 +0000
I'm running a K6-2 350 with Linux 2.2.2 and have NEVER had any problems
with it, everything works as it should. Get one they are very good
value for money. Might be worth waiting a week or so though and have a
look at the K6-III prices.
Michael
J Schenk wrote:
>
> Does anyone use an Amd k6-2 and have problems.
> A message in another news group said that There were many problems with
> the Amd relating to incorrect irq redirecting
> causing a limit to only use vga mode opperation. is this true and is
> there any other problems.
> any input to this problem would be most appreciated.
> I was planning to buy one of these soon but maybe not if there are the
> problems as described above
>
> audiobuzz
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From: Michael Creasy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Which terminal ?
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 12:28:12 +0000
Currently I have nxterm, xterm, xiterm, aterm and at least one other
installed on my system. Which one is "best" and which should I use.
Can any of them do true transparency ? and if so how ? A newbie guide
please.
Michael
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From: Michael Creasy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux.slackware,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Overclocking (was: Re: K6-2 and Linux, Are there any Bug?)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 12:26:51 +0000
If this is the case can someone tell me why my K6-2 350 when overclocked
to 400 crashes linux on boot, it has a huge fan on it.
Michael
> Bulls. some chips are meant to beoverclocked - the P2-300 for example,
> in the last 6 months of it's manufacture, it was made with a P2-350 core
> hard wired to be 300. you can easily un-wire it (OK , not so easily). or
> the Celeron 300A which overclocks to 450 w/o a glitch just by changing
> the FSB speed, or the K6-2 300 which can overclock to 375 w/o additional
> cooling, or any P5 MMX chips which can usually be overclocked to about
> 20% more, if you have the right board, w/o needing for extra hardware
> (coolants) or voltage tweeking. nowdays, you can even overclock
> HardDisks.
> Oded
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Juergen Heinzl)
Subject: Re: Face it, linux is a piece of shit
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 21:25:02 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Bill Gates wrote:
>I have to work on this crummy os and it's hateful.
So continue to hate it and feel good about it; no problem. That's
one of the nice things in life, diversity.
Cheers,
Juergen
--
\ Real name : J�rgen Heinzl \ no flames /
\ EMail Private : [EMAIL PROTECTED] \ send money instead /
\ Phone Private : +44 181-332 0750 \ /
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Juergen Heinzl)
Subject: Re: scsi problem
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 21:25:04 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Alain MEVEL wrote:
>
>I'm doing a big backup every night on a 4mm DAT (scsi).
>
>Often I get the message
>
>Feb 22 21:18:58 groslulu kernel: scsi : aborting command due to timeout
>: pid 40
>10949, scsi0, channel 0, id 4, lun 0 Write (6) 00 00 28 00 00
>Feb 22 21:18:58 groslulu kernel: SCSI host 0 abort (pid 4010949) timed
>out - res
>etting
[...]
Ouch, not normal, you did not tell which controller you've got,
but ...
>Feb 22 21:18:58 groslulu kernel: (scsi0:0:0:0) Synchronous at 40.0
>Mbyte/sec, of
... with this you are in need of real quality cables and I dare say
active termination is a must too. Try to slow it down a bit. You might
set the maximum speed to 10MB/s for each device and see again.
Cheers,
Juergen
--
\ Real name : J�rgen Heinzl \ no flames /
\ EMail Private : [EMAIL PROTECTED] \ send money instead /
\ Phone Private : +44 181-332 0750 \ /
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From: "Joe Emenaker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Using LILO to boot Win95 of /dev/hdb1?
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 13:10:43 -0800
I've got two drives in a machine. One has Win95 on it, the other has WinNT
and Linux. Using LILO, I can boot Linux and whichever Windows OS is on the
first hard drive. I am unable, however, to boot the one on the second drive,
hdb.
My lilo.conf looks like:
root=/dev/hda
image=/dev/vmlinuz
root=/dev/hda2
label=Linux
other=/dev/hda1
label=NT
loader=/boot/chain.b
table=/dev/hda
other=/dev/hdb1
label=95
loader=/boot/chain.b
table=/dev/hdb
Using this config, I can boot Linux or NT, but not 95. If I try, I just get
"Loading 95" (issued by LILO) and then nothing.
This is on a fairly new Dell, so I don't think it's a problem with an old
BIOS.
Also, I've read something about "/boot/any_d.b" allowing you to boot to a
second hard drive, but I don't see that in my /boot directory. I have
"boot.b", "chain.b", and "mbr.b".
Ideas?
- Joe
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Subject: Re: Midnight Commander
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 18:59:35 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Wed, 24 Feb 1999 04:19:17 -0500...
..and Harry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm new to Linux and Midnight Commander is the only "Explorer-like"
> file utility I've come across, but I'm having a hard time with it.
> Is it worth persevering with? Here are a couple of problems I have
> with it that someone might be able to help with:
>
> If I type the following letters to describe a file filter, they come
> out in the following order:
>
> I type P-C-I
>
> It comes out P-I-C (after the second letter, the cursor keeps moving
> back)
Run "reset" in the terminal to, well, reset the terminal, then try
again. This sounds like corrupted terminal settings.
mawa
--
He could wait. He could sit here in his wheelchair and breathe oxygen
and protect the Indians, the blacks, the women, the poor, the
handicapped, and the environment until he was a hundred and five.
-- John Grisham, _The_Pelican_Brief_
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (void)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)
Date: 25 Feb 1999 12:35:15 GMT
On Thu, 25 Feb 1999 10:12:01 +0000, Edward Avis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
>What country uses # as a currency? :-(
Morocco. ;-)
--
Ben
"You have your mind on computers, it seems."
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From: Jason Clifford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 11:55:59 +0000
On 24 Feb 1999, John S. Dyson wrote:
> The *only* reason that it would be considered malicious is that you
> are taking advantage that a developer (with a different skill set,
> but critical to the project) cannot (based upon GPL.) Under free
> licenses, then you are on a relatively even footing with the developer,
> and that is much more laudable. Marketeering is critical for the
> success of most any project, but marketeers have too much control
> over the disposition of GPL.
Bollocks! Any developer has exactly the same access to the same materials
that I have to compete with me in the business of distribution and
provision of support. In fact they can charge me for support if they wish.
> That begs the question that you are using other peoples work as fuel
> (i.e. reason) why your business can exist. Without the fuel, then no
> business. Your working 18Hrs/day is your problem, and if you aren't
> making money, then who is a fool?
Making money was a secondary issue (and very low priority at that) when I
started selling Linux and FreeBSD as I have previously explained to you.
Ask the thousands of people in the UK who are now using Linux and FreeBSD
because they could easily source them and support for them from me whether
my business is worthwhile.
> Again, supporting free software isn't the issue here. The issue is
> that GPL is a very discriminatory license.
No, the issue is that *you* seem to feel that you have some God given
right to deny others the right to choose GPL is they wish to.
Understand this: there are many licenses available and it is the choice of
the DEVELOPER as to which license is used - the license choice does not
belong with the user or with the distributor.
Jason Clifford
Definite Linux Systems
http://definite.ukpost.com/
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From: Jason Clifford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Red Hat's sick sense of humor (support)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 12:10:44 +0000
On Thu, 25 Feb 1999, Christopher Browne wrote:
> For Red Hat Software to promise other than "just-about-automated email"
> support outside the USA with the "boxed sets" is extremely foolish, as
> the cost of actually deploying support substantially more insightful
> than "Read this HOWTO" is highly likely to exceed their expected
> revenues on a given "box."
Not only this but it shifts the burden of support onto distributors like
myself who's earnings from selling Red Hat Linux is less than $10 a copy.
It is not practical to increase the costs as there are now lots of
companies around to undercut me without providing the support.
As a result I now have to give a disclamier that we wont provide free
support for Red Hat, SuSE, Caldera and other distributions unless you
purchase a separate support contract from us.
This of course does not stop people phoning me demanding that support and
getting very upset and even abusive when I refuse to give it - in fact I
have had to abandon our 0800 telephone number becuase the the abuse, both
verbal and in the form of repeated silent calls, that we suffered on this
front.
The problem has gotten so bad that we are now having to evaluate whether
we should not simply annouce that we will no longer sell products where
the vendor either cannot or will not honour their support commitments.
Jason Clifford
Definite Linux Systems
http://definite.ukpost.com/
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From: Jason Clifford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 12:21:15 +0000
On 25 Feb 1999, John S. Dyson wrote:
> Close your eyes and ears and you can continue to avoid learning the
> difference between the BSD license and the GPL license regarding the
> rights of developers.
Just a moment ago I read a posting from you, John, in which you stated
that Linus was the one making direct personal attacks and yet here you are
making direct personal attacks.
Jason Clifford
Definite Linux Systems
http://definite.ukpost.com/
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From: Jason Clifford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 12:25:33 +0000
On 25 Feb 1999, John S. Dyson wrote:
> > So you're arguing that you should be able to get rich quick based upon
> > the work of others without sharing back with them.
> >
> You are showing that you don't want programmers to get rich, but
> you do want CDROM manufacturers to get rich... QED.
No he is not. He is making the very clear point that you have no right to
get rich off of his works when he has specifically excluded anyone from
doing so in the license under which he has CHOSEN to release his works.
Once again, John, you are deliverately mis-representing someone else's
postings.
That is typical of a TROLL.
> > Your mother didn't raise you right: "share and share alike" is one of
> > the basic lessons you seem to have slept through.
> >
> Yep, it is great to put everyone on even footing, both distributors
> and developers. You are arguing against developers, and it is your
> right to be discriminatory.
Distributors are no more advantaged than developers in this respect as you
well know. Everyone has an equal right to invest in a distribution
business if they so choose.
> You want to share your code with distributors, but don't with developers,
> QED: GPL is a developer unfriendly license, created and used by developer
> unfriendly developers.
GPL licensed code is share. The only significant restriction with regad to
this discussion is that those wishing to derive works from the original
may not do so without respecting the original authors wish that the whole
product always be open and freely available.
Jason Clifford
Definite Linux Systems
http://definite.ukpost.com/
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From: Jason Clifford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 12:31:55 +0000
On 25 Feb 1999, Patrick M. Hausen wrote:
>
> Just be aware, that GPL is not necessarily a "good thing" [tm]
> because RMS and Linus say so.
True and also be aware that GPL is not a "bad thing" bacause John Dyson
says so.
Each license is suitable for different requirements. Those requirments are
determined by the person who authors the original work.
Jason Clifford
Definite Linux Systems
http://definite.ukpost.com/
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From: Jason Clifford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Redhat 6.0 Release Schedule?
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 12:34:38 +0000
On Wed, 24 Feb 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Any educated guesses of when a redhat release that is based on the new kernel
> and glibc will appear?
April is generally considered to be the scheduled release date for Red Hat
6.0.
Whether it will be based upon kernel 2.2 yet to be seen.
Red Hat already uses glibc and has since December 1997 when ed Hat were
the first to adopt it.
Jason Clifford
Definite Linux Systems
http://definite.ukpost.com/
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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 21:15:40 -0800
From: Jayasuthan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: tune2fs Quest ?
Hi,
I have a question on tune2fs ... I have read man page that tune2fs have
some setting to avoid file corruption once it detected. this is the
three option the program gave -
1. remount read-olny
2. panic
3. continue normal
I don't which to select... lets say I want to prevent root disk file
from corrupted... If I choose 1 [ remount ro] then I might not be able
to login unless rebooted right or will it preserve until the corrupted
file recovered ? My fear is can't login later or panic kills my system.
Please help me out here.... I had file corruption lately and not taking
some step to prevent it occure.. I even running "sync" every 10 minutes
now..
Thank You,
suthan
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From: "David Z. Maze" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: gunzip to another partition
Date: 25 Feb 1999 08:04:20 -0500
Surfer Netzbetrieb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
SN> I have to unzip a 200MB-File, but no partition to take both, the
SN> original an the decompressed file (600MB). How can I pipe the output ? I
SN> tried ">" or "|" already!
Have you read the gzip documentation? What does, say, the -c switch
to gunzip do?
SN> How can I pipe tar -xvf <file> ?
Uh, you don't; 'tar x' outputs multiple files. You might be able to
get tar to output a single file to standard out, though I suspect the
-C switch is closer to what you want. RTFM for details.
--
David Maze [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://donut.mit.edu/dmaze/
"Hey, Doug, do you mind if I push the Emergency Booth Self-Destruct Button?"
"Oh, sure, Dave, whatever...you _do_ know what that does, right?"
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From: "David Z. Maze" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Logging out of a session
Date: 25 Feb 1999 08:06:46 -0500
dcool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
dcool> Recently I was logged on as a user. When I was done, I wanted
dcool> to log on as root, so I attempted to logout with "exit" and got
dcool> the response
dcool>
dcool> logout
dcool> There are stopped jobs.
dcool>
dcool> I assume this means certain processes are still active. If this
dcool> happens again, how do I determine what processes are still
dcool> running
'jobs'
dcool> and what do I do to terminate them?
Either judicious use of 'kill' or by using 'fg' on the stopped
processes and exiting them normally. See your shell's man page for
details. (Also see su(1).)
--
David Maze [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://donut.mit.edu/dmaze/
"Hey, Doug, do you mind if I push the Emergency Booth Self-Destruct Button?"
"Oh, sure, Dave, whatever...you _do_ know what that does, right?"
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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 21:17:59 -0800
From: Jayasuthan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Can't use /bin/su
Check on you /etc/sudo <-- ops I forget the filename ! There is a file
control su under /etc/ .......
Neil Rickert wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> >Something strange happened when I tried backing up my system the other
> >night. The permissions on
> >several files and directories (including / /bin/sh /bin/bash /etc/passwd)
> >were set to 700. So users couldn't
> >log on, among other things. I set the permissions back, but still no user
> >except root can use /bin/su.
> >When I try, I get the following response:
>
> >su: cannot set groups: Operation not permitted
>
> 'su' should have permissions 4711, and needs to be owned by root.
--
#include <linux/geek.h>
<----|
I run around LAN for 10 Hours....
Surf WAN for 4 hours and........
play Local for 3 hours !
Is this mean I am qualify to become a GEEK !
|---->
"The sky looks blue but it is not"
---> Don't see things and believe <-----
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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 21:23:45 -0800
From: Jayasuthan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: su & bash shell : can't login : permission denid
Hi,
I had some what same problem.... check your root umask... or
/etc/login.defaults .. I had some strange protection problem during
upgrade kernel 2.2.0 . This I fixed by upgrading lots of other
software...
arnee wrote:
>
> ya, i tend to forget those parent directories... but i'm still stunned to
> how it happened. plus, sometimes when i'm somewhat stuck with something i
> tend to just go on usenet searching for someone to have an answer instead of
> myself looking for it. it's one those things "damn it, i knew that!! why
> didn't i think of it" :-)) ... well anyway, thanks for the insight!
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> "John W. Baxter" wrote:
>
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > (Christopher Schulte) wrote:
> >
> > > <grin> What caused it? That I haven't a clue! What's important is
> > > you know understand one of the basic ideas in any unix-like operating
> > > system: when you run into permission denied errors, check the
> > > permissions, permissions, permission!!!!
> >
> > Or, if you're like me, check that you didn't try to execute a directory,
> > by leaving off a cd or pushd command. Oddly, I seem to do that on the
> > work Unix system, but not on my Linux at home. [The first few times, my
> > initial reaction was: "but I'm running as root, so I have permission".
> > Not to execute a directory, though. ;-) ]
> >
> > --John
> >
> > --
> > If nothing is pressing, putter about with this or that.
> > (Fortune cookie)
> > John W. Baxter Port Ludlow, WA USA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--
#include <linux/geek.h>
<----|
I run around LAN for 10 Hours....
Surf WAN for 4 hours and........
play localhost for 3 hours !
Is this mean I am qualify to become a GEEK !
|---->
"The sky looks blue but it is not"
---> Don't see thinks and believe <-----
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