Linux-Misc Digest #194, Volume #20 Thu, 13 May 99 22:13:08 EDT
Contents:
Re: Registry in Linux ??? (Christopher Browne)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (Christopher Browne)
Re: USB Support (Christopher Browne)
Re: best distribution (Christopher Browne)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (Christopher Browne)
open software research - win prizes (Alex Kotov)
Re: Programming crashes my system (Shawn Smith)
Re: best distribution (jik-)
Re: kernel too large, what now? (brian moore)
Re: help with glibc-2.1 (root)
Re: nfs directory shows up empty ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Registry in Linux ??? (Carl Fink)
Re: speech synthesizer for linux? ("Jeff Volckaert")
was getting a Lexmark 3200 a mistake? (Tim Williams)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: Registry in Linux ???
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 00:44:46 GMT
On Thu, 13 May 1999 23:11:48 +0200, Thomas Scholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I'm new to Linux and my question might look a bit strange. Anyway, my
>question is:
>In Linux, regarding applications only (not hw settings etc.), is there
>something similar to the Windows Registry?
Not as such.
>If not, is there anything else one has to do to an application before being
>able to execute it (in the meaning of "registering" it to the os)?
No.
If the executable file sits "somewhere," then you can ask for it to be
executed, and it'll run.
Details:
- If it expects to have any environment variables set in a shell to
manipulate its behaviour, you may wish to put that configuration in
the startup file for your favorite shell, whether that be ~/.bashrc,
~/.kshrc, ~/.tcshrc, or ~/.zshrc.
- If the executable program resides someplace other than the set of
paths that you'd find by typing in:
echo $PATH
then you may need to modify the PATH environment variable to include
the directory where the program resides, or perhaps make sure the
program is installed in one of the locations already in PATH.
- If your favorite shell "hashes" the list of executable programs (zsh
and tcsh do so), you may need to use the "rehash" command so that the
shell will become aware of the new program.
- You may need to modify the "menu" configuration for your favorite
window manager to make it aware of the new program.
[Personal gripe: almost every WM provides Yet Another Configuration
Language for this purpose, indicating that they are repetitively
reinventing the wheel in this area...]
--
"Microsoft builds product loyalty on the part of network administrators and
consultants, [these are] the only people who really count in the Microsoft
scheme of things. Users are an expendable commodity." -- Mitch Stone 1997
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 00:44:49 GMT
On 13 May 1999 17:28:18 -0400, Greg Yantz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco Anglesio) writes:
>> Using a time of arbitrarily small duration, however, you can assume that
>> the economic growth during this period is sufficiently close to zero to
>> use such principles. Which aren't socialist ones; they're classically
>> capitalist ones. Nor does such a model preclude the existence of economic
>> growth, just like a snapshot doesn't preclude the existence of motion.
>
>A possible dilemma is that if your chosen time duration is small enough
>for economic growth to be indistinguishable from zero, the time period
>is also small enough for nobody to be able to get rich.
Nope. The dilemna is that in any situation where there truly is
economic growth, there *must* be an instantaneous growth of the
economy, which indicates that the assumption is downright incorrect.
If an individual event causes economic growth, then it doesn't matter
how short the period of time is.
>> >That and one big problem with communism is that the economic "pie"
>> >doesn't get larger over time. Everyone stays that poor forever. In a
>>
>> Why not? Why shouldn't it get larger over time?
>
>There is no incentive to increased efficiency and growth. Think
>"collective agriculture". There may be (and were) effects from increased
>technology, but that is outside the scope of our discussion.
The effects on agriculture from increased technology require
investment in capital, which is supportive of the notion that
"capitalism is right."
It definitely makes sense for those that invest in capital
improvements to reap rewards from its deployment.
Does this imply that capitalism represents "perfection?" Nope. Only
that there are some reasonable metrics that imply that there are
situations where its use should be fairer than its alternatives.
Which does not establish that it is *always, necessarily* the fairest
way of allocating economic goods.
--
"Bother," said Pooh, "Eeyore, ready two photon torpedoes and lock
phasers on the Heffalump, Piglet, meet me in transporter room three"
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Crossposted-To: redhat.general,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: USB Support
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 00:44:51 GMT
On Thu, 13 May 1999 19:22:06 +0100, Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Really,
>
>What does minimal mean?
>
>Is it realistically unworkable but a public beta?
Minimal is more like:
"It can access the USB hub, and tell you what's on the hub. Actually
making use of the devices that are found may require drivers that
aren't There Yet..."
The value to this is that it allows you to at least see if the hub on
your motherboard is being detected, which is a decent first step.
The next step is likely to start deploying "device drivers" (which
may, or may not, be of the same sort as traditional Linux "device
drivers") to support doing "useful things" with the stuff that you
plug into the hub.
I would expect mice to be roughly the first devices supported;
keyboards coming a close second; rumor has it that Alan Cox is working
on "USB speaker" support, which might beat either or both.
There will doubtless be interest in a driver for the USB Zip drives;
that's different enough that it may take a bit longer...
A real interesting option would be that of USB-to-Serial convertors,
which apparently allow you to hook up a bunch of RS-232 ports to a USB
port. This is quite attractive as a way of adding RS-232 ports
without having to insert ISA cards, or consuming interrupts.
Unfortunately, RS-232 is weird enough that I'd hazard the guess that
supporting the ports bug-for-bug will make for a horrid code base when
building a driver to support this.
Note that it's not necessarily enough to just have a driver for a
device; it may also be necessary to have some higher level "device
management" code added in. After all, it would be cool to unplug a
failing USB keyboard and plug in a new one. But that means having to
break and re-establish connection between console and keyboard, which
might not work "out of the box."
--
"Who is General Failure and why is he reading my hard disk ?"
-- [EMAIL PROTECTED], Felix von Leitner
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/hardware.html>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: best distribution
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 00:45:01 GMT
On Thu, 13 May 1999 20:14:23 GMT, octet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>I'm pretty new to Linux and would like to get some opinions from you
>folks. This is because I'm thinking about rolling out many Linux
>workstations to replace Windows workstations.
>
>1. Which distribution is the oldest?
SLS. It's pretty moribund, these days...
Slackware is the second oldest of those that have been widely popular,
and that continue to see significant maintenance effort.
>2. Which one is the "technically" best distribution right now?
>3. Which one is the best "over-all" distribution right now?
There's not a good single answer to that, as it depends a whole lot on
your perspective and your preferences.
- Debian is, far and away, the distribution that may be kept
up-to-date in the most sophisticated fashion. I'd put it high on the
list for other than "newbie" users. Can be very successfully upgraded
in an automated fashion.
- Caldera seems to have the best installation process as of their
"2.2" release, and they are quite conservative in what they release,
which means that the software versions should be reasonably mature.
- SuSE have been aggressively combining into their distribution a
pretty wide variety of non-free software, and due to being
Europe-based, have had to do a lot of language support work. Probably
the best distribution for multilingual support involving European
languages.
- TurboLinux is notable in being "Pacific-based," and will be
distinctly preferable if you need to support Asian languages,
particularly Japanese/Chinese. (I'm not sure about the
Cantonese/Mandarin breakdown there...)
- Red Hat have been particularly aggressive in promoting new
technologies such as ELF (which is old news), EGCS ("new GCC"), GLIBC,
and GNOME. Unfortunately, this has resulted in some risk of "things
not working quite right."
Overall factors to consider:
- I suspect that you'll see the tendancies described above continuing
to be so on into the near future.
- All of these systems are using the same sets of free software.
There is *one* development stream for the Linux kernel. Ditto for
GLIBC, Apache, GNOME, GNU fileutils, Bash, [... ad infinitum for the
literal *thousands* of software packages ...].
As a result of this fact, the differences in versions amount to a
reflection of whether distributors tend to:
a) Try to release only "mature"/"highly stable" releases, or
b) Try to more aggressively provide the "latest enhancements."
A year from now, *all* are likely to have newer versions of most
packages, and the code base is basically the same, which means that
they're not *ALL* that different.
--
"Who is General Failure and why is he reading my hard disk ?"
-- [EMAIL PROTECTED], Felix von Leitner
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/linuxdistributions.html>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 00:44:55 GMT
On Thu, 13 May 1999 20:33:57 GMT, Marco Anglesio
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On 13 May 1999 15:52:00 -0400, Greg Yantz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>This is a really good point. It tends to boil down to whether or not
>>economics is a zero-sum game. Fortunately, it's not, quite. Free trade,
>>competition and advancing technology all tend to equate to there being
>>more and more wealth over time to compete for.
>
>You are using, I think, the wrong terminology. It certainly isn't a
>zero-sum game, and certainly not in the classical sense, because A does
>not lose at the same time that B gains, so as to produce a net economy of
>zero. (Which is patently false - the economy exists and grows over time).
Actually, I think that bringing up the "zero sum game" issue *is*
extremely relevant. The "anti-free-trade" position is that the
economy should be regarded as a zero sum game, whilst the
"pro-free-trade" position is that it *should.*
>Using a time of arbitrarily small duration, however, you can assume that
>the economic growth during this period is sufficiently close to zero to
>use such principles. Which aren't socialist ones; they're classically
>capitalist ones. Nor does such a model preclude the existence of economic
>growth, just like a snapshot doesn't preclude the existence of motion.
Disagree.
There can certainly be "transactions" in the economy that may be
reasonably treated as "zero sum" transactions, as they merely transfer
some resource from one pocket into another. Transactions within the
stock market would be reasonably treated in this manner, for instance,
as they are fairly much independent of people producing "real things."
But other transactions may inherently involve an overall increase in
economic results, and thus, *by themselves,* increase the size of the
economy at the point in time at which they occur. The transformation
of rocks from the ground into "things-that-look-more-like-automobiles"
would be an example of this.
You can certainly pick and choose your favorite transactions so as to
exclude those that provide instantaneous increases to the economy, or
to exclude those that don't.
Reality is that *both* sorts occur. There do exist zero (or even
negative) sum games, as well as those with postitive outcomes.
The economic growth that we see occur results from there being a quite
large number of "positive sum games" taking place, which evidences
that they *do* exist.
>>That and one big problem with communism is that the economic "pie"
>>doesn't get larger over time. Everyone stays that poor forever. In a
>
>Why not? Why shouldn't it get larger over time?
>
>There are no reasons why it shouldn't; even the Soviet Union, despite
>its inefficiencies, had a stunning growth in production (if you read
>your history, the Soviet Union prior to 1917 was an agrarian economy
>and a basketcase at that). War economies, which operate on command
>rather than demand principles, tend to be periods of incredible
>economic growth.
Throw into the fray the dueling considerations that:
- Ponzi schemes of whatever variety require a "growing" economy, which
can encourage the participants (whether the gullible or those that do
the gulling) to inflate apparent production, and
- If you've been given your "quota" for the Five Year Plan, and
someone might come out and shoot you if you don't fill it, you may
just happen to try to *lie* about how much you produced so as to keep
from receiving a share of the Moulded Lead Quota...
--
"Microsoft builds product loyalty on the part of network administrators and
consultants, [these are] the only people who really count in the Microsoft
scheme of things. Users are an expendable commodity." -- Mitch Stone 1997
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/canada.html>
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From: Alex Kotov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: open software research - win prizes
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 17:41:04 -0700
Greetings fellow Linux users,
I would like to ask for your help. Please take a few minutes to answer
an
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Empirical software engineering studies the way people work when they
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This gave me the idea of an "Open software engineering study". Using
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Pacific Software Research Center
Oregon Graduate Institute of Science and Technology
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Shawn Smith)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux-redhat
Subject: Re: Programming crashes my system
Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 01:12:01 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 13 May 1999 14:00:27 -0500, "Robert J. Sprawls"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On 9 May 1999, brian moore wrote:
>
>> This is, of course, highly useful for a programmer: at that point, a
>> copy of the state of the program is saved to disk, including the
>> contents of all the registers and all your data. A "postmortem" can
>> often find the cause of the problem.
>
>Question: Is there a utility to decipher the core dump? It's all binary,
>so how does one go about reading it?
I know this will sound lame but I read mine w/ less and it usually
says some variable exceeded the memory it was allocated.
All the best,
Shawn Smith !UNT Proud!
My freeware: http://people.unt.edu/~shawns
ICQ: 475-8706 AOL/Netscape IM: "mrgitdown"
"Whatever you do will be insignificant, but
it is very important that you do it."
--Mahatma Gandhi
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Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 15:44:25 -0700
From: jik- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: best distribution
octet wrote:
>
> I'm pretty new to Linux and would like to get some opinions from you
> folks. This is because I'm thinking about rolling out many Linux
> workstations to replace Windows workstations.
>
> 1. Which distribution is the oldest?
I think there was one that came before slack, but I can't remember the
name, or be sure if I am right. Certainly Slackware is the oldest which
is still being worked on?
> 2. Which one is the "technically" best distribution right now?
technically is defined how? calc best
> 3. Which one is the best "over-all" distribution right now?
I like slackware. I like its install procedure, its init rc setup, its
package manager, and I like how it doesn't follow the croud or sacrifice
stability for bleeding edge alpha software. At one time that meant that
slackware was behind in a great deal of packages, but not true anymore.
Slackware seems to be up to date with most everything but for switching
to glibc2, which in my mind is not worth the trouble at this
point....libc5 works perfectly fine.
But, other opinions will vary,....calc best
>
> Thanks.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Subject: Re: kernel too large, what now?
Date: 14 May 1999 01:23:06 GMT
On 12 May 1999 21:03:32 -0400,
David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> David Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> -> I am trying to compile the kernel 2.2.6... well, okay, I already
> -> compiled it. I had to do a make bzImage because it was too large for
> -> make zImage. but, Lilo doesn't seem to like it either! The file is
> -> about 600K but lilo says it is too large.. I cannot make it any smaller
> -> without removing things that I need from this kernel, so what do I do
> -> now?>
>
> make bzImage
>
> It uses bzip2 instead of gzip to compress vmlinuz. You have to do
> this with all the 2.2 kernels now.
Not true.
bzImage is a "big zImage". It has nothing to do with bz2.
--
Brian Moore | "The Zen nature of a spammer resembles
Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | a cockroach, except that the cockroach
Usenet Vandal | is higher up on the evolutionary chain."
Netscum, Bane of Elves. Peter Olson, Delphi Postmaster
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From: root <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: help with glibc-2.1
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 21:32:55 -0400
A very basic question, in java 1.2 for linux and oracle 8 for linux, glibc2
version 2.0.7 is required, but from ftp://prep.ai.mit.edu/pub/gnu/glibc/ only
up to 2.0.6, where to get 2.0.7 or are they the same thing?
Thanks
Jinping
Johan Kullstam wrote:
> Fran�ois Patte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > I have loaded the glibc-2.1 and have a lot of problem now:
>
> i have glibc-2.1 (from a redhat 6 source rpm) on a redhat 5 system. i
> experienced the same problems as you.
>
> > 1- octave no more works:
> >
> > Octave, version 2.0.13 (i386-suse-linux-gnu).
> > Copyright (C) 1996, 1997, 1998 John W. Eaton.
> > This is free software with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY.
> > For details, type `warranty'.
> >
> > error: Segmentation fault -- stopping myself...
> > error: attempted clean up apparently failed -- aborting...
> > Abort (core dumped)
>
> recompile octave. i have a nice rpm spec file for 2.0.14. email me
> if you want it.
>
> the libstdc++ format has changed. you'll want to rebuild your
> compiler and c++ library before attempting the octave build.
>
> > 2- MuPad no more works:
> >
> > /usr/local/MuPAD/share/bin/../../i386/bin/mupad: error in loading shared
> > libraries: libg++.so.2.7.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file
> > or directory
>
> find a libg++.so.2.7.2 and stick it in /lib.
>
> for binary only apps (eg netscape) needing legacy libraries i have also
>
> /lib/libstdc++.so.2.7
> /lib/libstdc++.so.2.8
>
> in addition to a glibc-2.1
>
> /lib/libstdc++.so.2.9
>
> > 3- g++ no more works:
> >
> > /usr/bin/ld: cannot open -lstdc++: Aucun fichier ou r�pertoire de ce
> > type
> > collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
>
> rebuild gcc/egcs first.
>
> > 4- Staroffice worked no more but I found a solution; same for apmd which
> > I could rebuild with rpm.
> >
> > Is there a solution, keeping this library?
>
> yes. you will need to rebuild your compiler, octave and ncurses. get
> the legacy libstdc++ and libg++ binaries and install by hand. after
> that, i have had fairly smooth sailing.
>
> hope this helps.
>
> --
> johan kullstam
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: nfs directory shows up empty
Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 00:43:08 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stefano Ghirlanda) wrote:
> Hi,
> I'm trying to put up some nfs. I don't get any error messages but the
> exported directory looks empty on the client. Some more details:
>
> /etc/exports looks like this:
>
> /home/thedir theclienthost(rw)
>
> output from rpcinfo:
>
I'm very new at this, but I get empty directorys if i access an nfs
mount as root, but not when i access it as a user....
--== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==--
---Share what you know. Learn what you don't.---
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Carl Fink)
Subject: Re: Registry in Linux ???
Date: 14 May 1999 07:07:33 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 13 May 1999 23:11:48 +0200 Thomas Scholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In Linux, regarding applications only (not hw settings etc.), is there
>something similar to the Windows Registry?
No. Configuration for most Linux programs lives in text files stored
in the directory /etc or one of its subdirectories.
>If not, is there anything else one has to do to an application before being
>able to execute it (in the meaning of "registering" it to the os)?
No. You type its name and it runs.
--
Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Manager, Dueling Modems Computer Forum
<http://dm.net>
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From: "Jeff Volckaert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.speech,comp.speech.user
Subject: Re: speech synthesizer for linux?
Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 13:00:35 -0400
I played with festival under RH 5.2 before I wiped my HD for RH 6.0. It was
pretty cool. I used ircspeak to listen to IRC traffic. I thought THAT was
neat. I never had any luck changing voices though. A female voice would
have been much better IMHO.
http://www.cstr.ed.ac.uk/projects/festival.html
http://omnipotent.net/ircspeak/
Jeff Volckaert
William Burrow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Tue, 11 May 1999 14:51:32 GMT,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Does some know a good, understandable speech synthesizer that runs
> >under Linux? A free one is even better, but first and foremost it must
> >work. ;-)
>
> There is Festival. Dunno if it works or not, it always segfaulted on
> me.
>
> http://www.cstr.ed.ac.uk/projects/festival/festival.html
>
>
> --
> William Burrow -- New Brunswick, Canada o
> Copyright 1999 William Burrow ~ /\
> ~ ()>()
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tim Williams)
Subject: was getting a Lexmark 3200 a mistake?
Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 01:31:18 GMT
I recently bought a Lexmark 3200 after reading good comments in
comp.os.os2.misc. This was before I got Linux, but I was planning on
getting Linux in the near future. Well I have RH 5.2 now, and as you
might expect, this printer doesn't work with Linux. I didn't realize
it was a Windoze-type printer (since there was an OS/2 driver for it)
The printer works just fine with Win95 and OS/2 Warp3 (a little slow
on Warp).
Is there any hope of getting this printer to work under Linux? Can I
hope for some Linux guru to write something to get it to work? Am I
up the creek without a paddle?
I know I should have researched this more. :(
Thanks for any help.
______________________
Tim Williams
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