Linux-Misc Digest #211, Volume #20 Sat, 15 May 99 01:13:09 EDT
Contents:
Re: well, what about Debian? ("David Z. Maze")
Re: Don't Have libgtk-1.1.so.13 ("David Z. Maze")
good, free ORB w/ C++ & Java lang support (Salman Ahmed)
Re: The GNU Fragrance of Sharing vs. the Stench of Greed (was: GNU reeks of
Communism (really) (Robert Krawitz)
Re: mac (Nick Krinis)
Re: Pro-Unix vs anti-WinTel ("G. Sumner Hayes")
kwintv - cannot change channel (Stefan Bress)
Re: Pro-Unix vs anti-WinTel (Steve Lamb)
Re: Pro-Unix vs anti-WinTel (Steve Lamb)
How to share mail folders? (Roger Sondermann)
Re: Eudora-like mail program for linux? (With Filters etc) (Steve Lamb)
Aviion/Motorola 88000 Linux? ("Ron G")
Re: Pro-Unix vs anti-WinTel (Christopher Browne)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522) (Aqeel Mahesri)
Re: How to share mail folders? (brian moore)
Re: No space left on device (Peter Rodriguez)
adding new system call?? ("dongwon Lee")
Re: Most stable kernel? (Alan Fried)
Re: Enough already! Re: Pro-Unix vs anti-WinTel (Donn Miller)
Re: Pro-Unix vs anti-WinTel (John S. Dyson)
Re: LS-120 (Dave Spensley)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522) (brian moore)
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From: "David Z. Maze" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: well, what about Debian?
Date: 14 May 1999 23:22:51 -0400
William Burrow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
WB> On Fri, 14 May 1999 23:54:33 GMT,
WB> Quoc A. Vu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
QAV> I'm thinking about using the Debian distribution. Any thought on it?
WB>
WB> Yeah, binary packages suck. RPM or dpkg, forget it.
Any justification for saying this in the general case? I've had
*very* good experiences with Debian packages, except when tracking the
"unstable" distribution across major changes (e.g. the GNU libc
upgrade). I've heard very few complaints about Debian's "stable"
releases.
WB> It has the horrible dselect thing, but that is replaced by
WB> something called apt, which is supposedly much better.
APT these days is a piece that sits between dselect and the command
line. I don't find dselect's UI that bad; YMMV. APT also gives you
the ability to say
apt-get install gnome-session
from the command line and have the GNOME session manager and all of
its dependencies automatically downloaded and installed.
--
David Maze [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://donut.mit.edu/dmaze/
"Hey, Doug, do you mind if I push the Emergency Booth Self-Destruct Button?"
"Oh, sure, Dave, whatever...you _do_ know what that does, right?"
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From: "David Z. Maze" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Don't Have libgtk-1.1.so.13
Date: 14 May 1999 23:30:09 -0400
Jason Bond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
JB> I have installed gtk+-1.2.1-1, gtk+-devel-1.2.1-1,
JB> gdb-4.17.0.4-3, gdbm-devel-1.7.3-17, and gdbm-1.7.3-17, and when I try
JB> to install a certain
JB> rpm, it says:
JB>
JB> failed dependencies:
JB> libgdk-1.1.so.13 is needed by gftp-1.12-1
JB> libglib-1.1.so.13 is needed by gftp-1.12-1
JB> libgmodule-1.1.so.13 is needed by gftp-1.12-1
JB> libgtk-1.1.so.13 is needed by gftp-1.12-1
Yup, that sounds right. You have version 1.2.1 of these libraries,
which is different from and not compatible with version 1.1.13.
I'd suggest trying to find a newer version of the gftp package, or,
failing that, building it from source. Nothing should be using the
1.1.x versions of Gtk/Glib, which were development versions and are
all for the most part mutually incompatible. If you can find RPMs for
that version of the libraries, you *might* try installing them, but I
wouldn't recommend it; library versioning doesn't seem to be one of
Red Hat's strong suits.
--
David Maze [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://donut.mit.edu/dmaze/
"Hey, Doug, do you mind if I push the Emergency Booth Self-Destruct Button?"
"Oh, sure, Dave, whatever...you _do_ know what that does, right?"
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From: Salman Ahmed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: good, free ORB w/ C++ & Java lang support
Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 23:31:11 -0400
I am looking to learn CORBA, and want to know if someone
can recommend to me a good, free implementation of
CORBA for Linux (RedHat 5.2 w/ kernel 2.0.36).
I intend to write CORBA apps in both C++ and Java, and
won't be using any of the advanced features of the CORBA
spec.
Also, what is the recommended JDK for Linux ? I know that
Blackdown's JDK is pretty highly recommended. Are there
any other good Java implementations for Linux ?
Thanks for any info.
--
Salman S. Ahmed
ssahmed AT interlog DOT com
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to reply to this message.
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From: Robert Krawitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
talk.politics.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.activism,alt.society.liberalism
Subject: Re: The GNU Fragrance of Sharing vs. the Stench of Greed (was: GNU reeks of
Communism (really)
Date: 03 May 1999 10:00:10 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Costello) writes:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > On Mon, 03 May 1999 02:11:32 GMT, Chris Costello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > I'm writing a closed-source database system, but I *really*
> > >like the sort code from FooSQL, the GPLed SQL server. So I have
> > >it working with my closed database system. Can I sell it
> > >legally?
> >
> > Sure. You just have to provide source. Distribution
> > requires disclosure of source regardless of what you
> > charge for it. Don't distribute it (just use it like
> > Walnut Creek) & you don't have to release your source.
>
> I didn't get my point across right (and I noticed that from my
> post, not your response):
>
> Say I work for a company that wants to sell ClosedSQL, and
> ClosedSQL's sort code is so bloated that it's just not going to keep
> companies happy under heavy load, and FooSQL's sort code is so
> optimized that it simply can't be beat! Copying the code
> directly would clearly be a violation in license. Closed, Inc.
> is generally proprietary (much like BSD, Incorporated.) so it's
> wary to release the source code.
Closed, Inc. has to make a choice between keeping their slow sort
code, writing new code, finding other code with restrictions they can
live with, or releasing their source. That's a part of life.
--
Robert Krawitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.tiac.net/users/rlk/
Tall Clubs International -- http://www.tall.org/ or 1-888-IM-TALL-2
Member of the League for Programming Freedom -- mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Linux doesn't dictate how I work, I dictate how Linux works."
--Eric Crampton
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From: Nick Krinis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: mac
Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 03:20:33 +0000
Inferno wrote:
>
> I would like to install Linux or NT on a macintosh powerpc. What
> distribution would be best and how would I go about installing it.
Complete, palatable instructions at linux.org.
You might want to try comp.os.linux.powerepc too ;-)
Nicolas Krinis
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From: "G. Sumner Hayes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Pro-Unix vs anti-WinTel
Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 23:31:55 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> G. Sumner Hayes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >snip<
> : Does Ports offer any sort of cryptographic security? Either signed
> : sources or authenticated connections when downloading? If not, it's
> : far less secure than the current package solutions.
>
> The ports tree is updated from trusted mirrors (just like the
> system). Distribution files are checked with an MD5 checksum.
How are connections to those mirrors trusted? Are there
cryptographically authenticated connections of some sort? How
are CD-ROMs verified? I was just reading through the ports stuff in the
online FreeBSD manual, and it seemed to use ftp to transfer the
skeletons, so it doesn't look like there's any real way to know whether
the skeleton you download is from the trusted mirror or someone is
spoofing you.
It seems to me like some sort of cryptographic signatures would be a
worthwile addition to ports. Even if strongly authenticated connections
are available, hacking a well-run server is far easier than compromising
a well-used PGP key.
(From another message)
> I'll take source installs any day of the week, thanks.
Then ports is definitely a better overall system as far as I can tell.
I do think that you're missing a lot of the point of rpm and dpkg,
though. They have different aims from ports (and even different
aims from each other) and are quite useful in their domains.
>: For me, ports would be a great thing.
>
> www.FreeBSD.org You could be up and running minutes. :-)
vi is better than emacs. ;-)
--Sumner
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From: Stefan Bress <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: kwintv - cannot change channel
Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 04:49:18 +0200
I using KWINTV with my Haupauge WinTv PCI (brooktree 848). Everything works
fine, except that when scanning for new channels, I get a long list - but when
changing channels I get the same channel I last activated in Windows every
time. Anyone out there who knows how I will be able to view more than on
channel?
Any help greatly apreciated.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve Lamb)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Pro-Unix vs anti-WinTel
Date: 14 May 1999 23:17:46 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, 14 May 1999 22:31:29 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>: What happens when an author releases a new version of his software?
>
> Yes, what?
>
>: Your ports tree is out of date until whomever maintains it, fixes it.
>
> True, if they are out of sync users will be installing a slightly
> out of date version, which is no different they *all* other package
> systems, including your much beloved Debian.
Wrong, they install *NOTHING* because they are unable to download an
archive at all. Why do you think I made a point of stating when the author
*changes the archive name*.
> The Debian model has all these same faults as ports. If the author
> makes a new release, there is still lag time before the Debian
> package is updated to match. There is no way around this unless the
> author just happends to maintain the Debian package themself.
Incorrect. With Debian since the package is in a central location if the
author changes archive names (happens a lot, you know, pesky version numbers)
it has no *DIRECT* bearing on the package itself. With ports where it does go
and grab the archive, when the archive doesn't exist, the ports tree has stale
data, you get nothing.
--
Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your
ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve Lamb)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Pro-Unix vs anti-WinTel
Date: 14 May 1999 23:19:08 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, 14 May 1999 22:35:07 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Ports has more redundancy and consistency systems then you could
> possibly fathom.
Uh-huh, that is why I've had problems downloading archives that weren't
around any more because an author updates his archive. Sure. Say whatever
you will these are real life examples I'm throwing out.
--
Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your
ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roger Sondermann)
Subject: How to share mail folders?
Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 12:31:36 GMT
Greetings,
today I've installed XFMail (uses MH-style mail folders).
I want to send and read (the same) mails as user and root. What have I
to do to avoid the problems for me as user when root has written to the
folders? I've tried to link the users XFMail- and mail-folders to the
root directory, set the owner to user, but without success.
Thanks in advance.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve Lamb)
Crossposted-To: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: Eudora-like mail program for linux? (With Filters etc)
Date: 15 May 1999 02:10:24 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 13 May 1999 00:52:54 -0700, Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Use procmail to sort your mail. That's what it's for & it's already
>installed.
Wow, gotta love assumptions. I love them, don't you?
{morpheus@teleute:~} which procmail
procmail not found
--
Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your
ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls.
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From: "Ron G" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Aviion/Motorola 88000 Linux?
Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 23:48:07 -0400
Anyone know of, or even hear rumors of Linux for the old Data General Aviion
systems with Motorola 88000 processors?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Pro-Unix vs anti-WinTel
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 01:34:06 GMT
On 14 May 1999 16:27:04 -0400, Paul D. Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>%% [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> z> Ports is probably the only package system that *does* have a
> z> central repository.
>
>What exactly do you mean by that? Debian certainly does. Even RedHat
>does, basically (although they have a lot of unofficial stuff on their
>site, too, and it's less well-organized). I'm not following your
>terminology.
Ports provides *a centralized point,* wherein resides:
a) Package indices,
b) Pointers to the definitive source of the "pristine sources,"
c) Patches/Makefiles for deployment,
d) A copy of the pristine sources.
In contrast, Debian provides a *set of centralized points* (because
crypto code has to reside outside the US), wherein reside:
a) Package indices,
b) Pointers to the definitive source of the "pristine sources,"
c) Patches/Makefiles for deployment,
d) A copy of the pristine sources, and a copy of compiled binaries.
Pretty similar, I'd say.
The "network" of access to RPMs isn't nearly as well-organized; there
are some third-party structures such as <http://rpmfind.net> that kind
of externalize that "centralized point."
Note that since RPMs and .debs both permit use of MD5/PGP to validate
who created them, it is possible to argue that the "centralized point"
is whomever holds the main "validation key." This is truer for
Debian, where extensive use seems to be made of PGP for identity
authentication, than it is for RPMs.
> z> access through CVSUP, which makes keeping an upto date ports tree
> z> *trival*. So much so that many, myself included, simply stick the
> z> job in a cron tab:
>
> z> From my /etc/weekly.local:
>
> z> /usr/local/bin/cvsup -E -g -Z /usr/share/examples/cvsup/ports-supfile
>
>Unfortunately I don't have the disk space or 'Net bandwidth to download
>all the code, much less keep it. However, I agree it would be nice to
>have the option; you can obviously get the source for all Debian
>packages but it's not this trivial (it's not hard, though).
>
>But I can do this in my /etc/weekly.local (or the equivalent) on my
>Debian system, and get the same effect without compiling anything:
>
> apt-get update
> apt-get upgrade
> apt-get clean
>
>(basically) and Viola [sic]!
Which is about as slick.
> z> One word, "libc". Linux above all else should know the pain of not
> z> building from source.
>
>With proper dependency checks, this isn't a problem. libc5->libc6 was
>easy, once people thought about it for a minute, since the sonumber
>changed; just keep both.
>
>The changes between glibc 2.0 to 2.1 had a small enough impact that a
>dependency scheme is perfectly appropriate. I upgraded my Debian system
>to glibc 2.1.1 and everything works fine. I didn't have to build
>anything locally.
I think there has been a *bit* more "fun" than that, but those that
have caused themselves desperate problems out of this sort of thing
have been jumping into the "fire" of beta-testing things that they
probably weren't competent to beta-test.
Red Hat's over-aggressive "leap" into glibc2 has given it a bad name
that doubtless will plague glibc for years to come.
> z> Actually, for stability, consistency, ease of use, and legal
> z> reasons, it *is* thus far the best system going.
>
>I disagree on all those points, of course, when compared to my Debian
>system, but that's largely a matter of personal preference.
If the plan is to just plain 'have software installed,' they're little
different from one another.
>What would be great is if the Debian stuff was upgraded to allow a
>ports-like source code distribution mechanism, and/or ports was upgraded
>to provide prebuilt binaries as easily and slickly as Debian.
>
>Then we could have the best of both worlds!
The benefit that seems apparent to me in BSD Ports is in that you can
grab the sources, have them present, and then fiddle with "the
package," perhaps breaking it repeatedly while trying to compile it,
but doing no "damage" 'til you do that "make install."
I've not build any Debian packages from source, so I can't speak for
it; I *have* built some RPMs, and RPM has the "lack" that you can't
just "fiddle 'til you get it right," but rather, in order to use a
.src.rpm file, need to do a "big bang compile pretty much all of it in
scripted manner."
If there's some obscure thing broken, it would be nice to just go in
and do repeated "makes," patching things as needed until it works.
RPM isn't too happy with that approach...
--
Where do you *not* want to go today? "Confutatis maledictis, flammis
acribus addictis" (<http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/msprobs.html>
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
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From: Aqeel Mahesri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522)
Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 21:32:24 -0700
Ketil Z Malde wrote:
> "FM" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > It's more like, there was problem X, untouched for many years,
> > finally resolved by government initiation. The suggestion that
> > private initiatives would have contributed better in terms of
> > universal education is rather laughable.
>
> Why? Weren't there adequate schooling in the US before socialized
> education began? How much higher is literacy now, compared to before
> socialized education, and compared to nations that have suffered no
> such system change in the same period?
>
> -kzm
> --
> If I haven't seen further, it is by standing in the footprints of giants
Literacy in the US before public education was instituted during the
progressive era was under 50%. Today it is 96%. (Yes, it really is 96%.
I'm not kidding you. 24 out of 25 Americans really can read.)
Hey, did you go to some private school that you're saying this?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Subject: Re: How to share mail folders?
Date: 14 May 1999 16:22:38 GMT
On Fri, 14 May 1999 12:31:36 GMT,
Roger Sondermann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> today I've installed XFMail (uses MH-style mail folders).
>
> I want to send and read (the same) mails as user and root. What have I
> to do to avoid the problems for me as user when root has written to the
> folders? I've tried to link the users XFMail- and mail-folders to the
> root directory, set the owner to user, but without success.
It's bad for root to get mail (mail clients have been known to have
nasty bugs and you shouldn't be reading mail as root any more than you
should be in IRC or web browsing as root).
Set up an alias for root mail to go to your mailbox.
--
Brian Moore | "The Zen nature of a spammer resembles
Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | a cockroach, except that the cockroach
Usenet Vandal | is higher up on the evolutionary chain."
Netscum, Bane of Elves. Peter Olson, Delphi Postmaster
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Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 15:25:36 +1200
From: Peter Rodriguez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: No space left on device
g gilmore wrote:
> My HD filled up so I cleared somethings out and made space. But
> still when logged in as an user I cannot make directories, write to
> files, compile programs --anything that writes to anything. I get an
> error message that says 'No space left on device'. I believe there is
> space. Root does not have this problem.
>
> How come?
>
> --
> http://www.speakeasy.org/~gilmore
Have you tried "df" to see just hw much space is available?
--
Peter Rodriguez
136, Kolmar Road, Papatoetoe, Auckland
NEW ZEALAND
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From: "dongwon Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: adding new system call??
Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 17:54:06 +0900
I made my own system call and kerenl complie and reboot.
and the book said (linux kernel internals 2nd)
register the system call to library fuction for using this system call in
application.
so I made a C code
#include <linux/unistd.h>
_syscall(int, holydive)
and then ... I don't kown what I need to do?
How I compile the C code for registering?
My system call is
asmlinkage int sys_holydive(void)
{
return 1;
}
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alan Fried)
Subject: Re: Most stable kernel?
Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 04:20:13 GMT
jik- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Tam wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I would like to hear from anybody about your experience with stability
>> of your Linux system. I want to do heavy serial I/O without ever seeing
>> a crash:) Seriously, do I need to write my own embedded system to see
>> this kind of reliability? I've heard stories of peoples' systems staying
>> up for months at a time. Please (in)validate these stories.
>
>2.0.35 seems to be quite stable. I did the 2.2.x thing for a while
>until ppp stoped working and I got a whole seriese of kernel explosions.
>>
Yes I had the same problem as well and in addition I am unable to get sound support
going as well as the printer. This is also why I hesitate to upgrade from Red Hat
5.1 to Red Hat 6.0.
Any other opinions?
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From: Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Enough already! Re: Pro-Unix vs anti-WinTel
Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 23:48:10 -0400
Alexander Viro wrote:
> Folks, could we fscking stop this idiocy? All packaging systems in
> question are documented. STFW and RTFM. It is there. None of those systems
> is ideal. IMO RPM is the weakest of them, but you may have different needs
> and YMMV. Could we bloody stop this holy war and RTFM instead of imitating
Agreed. But how about Slackware's tgz package format? I don't
know if it handles dependencies or not; I always thought that
Slackware just installed the package "forcibly" ala dpkg --force.
Slack's package format seems to be a lot like FreeBSD's package
format, and even "pkgtool" and "setup" resembles FreeBSD's
"sysinstall". I get the impression that Slackware's setup and
package management tools were modeled after FreeBSD'.
Another scenario is that FreeBSD inherited sysinstall and package
management from the original 4.4BSD admin. tools, and Slack
borrowed either directly from original BSD or FreeBSD or a
combination of both.
How about a web-based system for doing upgrades, package
management, and installs? I think Solaris does it this way,
imitating Microsoft's patented method for Windows upgrades.
(BTW, does Windows NT have the same web-based upgrade?)
I can't believe people are flaming each other over which distro
and/or package management is best. Can't we just compare and
contrast without hurling insults back and forth? It seems like a
dumb thing to start a flame war over.
--
Donn
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John S. Dyson)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Pro-Unix vs anti-WinTel
Date: 15 May 1999 03:44:04 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve Lamb) writes:
> On Fri, 14 May 1999 22:35:07 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>> Ports has more redundancy and consistency systems then you could
>> possibly fathom.
>
> Uh-huh, that is why I've had problems downloading archives that weren't
> around any more because an author updates his archive. Sure. Say whatever
> you will these are real life examples I'm throwing out.
>
There are indeed cases where the user can't deal with the simplest
issues, or perhaps uses the wrong version (e.g. -current), given their
goals. All of this is spelled out in the FreeBSD online docs. Of
course, with FreeBSD, there is one primary packaging mechanism. With
Linux kernel based OSes, you need to deal with the various types
of packaging, some with gratuitiously different file formats. (Often
commonly called proprietary.)
--
John | Never try to teach a pig to sing,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | it makes one look stupid
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | and it irritates the pig.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dave Spensley)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: LS-120
Date: 15 May 1999 04:26:28 GMT
In article <7gqk7h$k9k$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, James Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In comp.os.linux.setup Dave Spensley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>: The LS-120 likes to be the master. I hope this helps.
>
>huh? why?
>
>On my machine, the cd-rom is on /dev/hdc, and the ls-120 is on
>/dev/hdd, both internal.
Uh, okay -- my brain-fart. While experiencing problems getting my internal
LS-120 working, I read how some users got it working by setting it as
Secondary Master (at the time, my LS-120 was SS, and the CD-ROM was SM).
Setting my LS-120 as SM and the CD-ROM as SS made it work.
SE440BX-2 motherboard, then and now.
I've just spent some time looking through my printed documentation on the
SE440-BX2, and on-line at "www.intel.com/design/motherbd/se2/se2_ds.htm",
and did not find anything supporting putting the LS-120 as SM to get it to
work.
It seems I stand/sit corrected.
But I'd still like to know how to low-level format the damn things under
Linux.
--
mocTODtenxTApsevad \ yelsnepS evaD | Dave Spensley / davespATxnetDOTcom
"I bought the Star Trek chess set and the Civil War chess set.
O- Now I have the South fight the Klingons." O-
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522)
Date: 15 May 1999 04:55:33 GMT
On Fri, 14 May 1999 21:32:24 -0700,
Aqeel Mahesri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Literacy in the US before public education was instituted during the
> progressive era was under 50%. Today it is 96%. (Yes, it really is 96%.
> I'm not kidding you. 24 out of 25 Americans really can read.)
Depends on who you believe for that number. Jonathon Kozol has a
completely different number than you, complete with studies (not funded
by the US Dept of Education) to prove it.
(And, yes, I've taught 20 year old American who couldn't even read
their own name. It is a scary thing to know that someone is missing out
on a huge portion of what the world has to offer. Call your local
library and ask to volunteer for their literacy program. It's a few
weeks of training, usually on weekends, and will scare the hell out of
you.)
Of course, none of this has anything to do with any of the above
newsgroups.
Followups corrected.
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Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | a cockroach, except that the cockroach
Usenet Vandal | is higher up on the evolutionary chain."
Netscum, Bane of Elves. Peter Olson, Delphi Postmaster
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