Linux-Misc Digest #211, Volume #21 Thu, 29 Jul 99 16:13:09 EDT
Contents:
Re: AWE64 and 2.2.5? (brian moore)
Re: help on gcc (Torbjorn Tallroth)
Re: Simple 'Kill' Question. ("Art S. Kagel")
Re: Is Linux A Memory Hogging OS? (Mark Brown)
AWE64 and 2.2.5? (David L. Bilbey)
Re: ftp uploading, man ftpaccess sucks! ("YouDontKnowWho")
Re: Java 1.2 (Ian Briggs)
Re: Is RPM unique to Linux ? (Kelley Spoon)
Re: CIA assassinations (David Turley)
Re: HP false advertising!!!! (Stuart R. Fuller)
Re: Incorrect amount of memory... ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: How can I resize my Linux-partition? ("Ryan T. Rhea")
Re: Should IBM port Visual Age for Java to Linux? (Peter Hatch)
Re: Should IBM port Visual Age for Java to Linux? (Dennis Smith)
Re: Should IBM port Visual Age for Java to Linux? (Dennis Smith)
Re: Linux has finally crashed (Graffiti)
Re: repartitioning worries (Jarek)
Re: Sticky bit?? (Jarek)
Re: Is Linux A Memory Hogging OS? (Jarek)
RAID1 Questions ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Simple 'Kill' Question. (Mark Brown)
Re: Should IBM port Visual Age for Java to Linux? (Christopher Browne)
Re: Should IBM port Visual Age for Java to Linux? ("Bob Jarvis")
Inventor 1.0 file viewer for Linux ??? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Subject: Re: AWE64 and 2.2.5?
Date: 29 Jul 1999 18:15:05 GMT
On 29 Jul 1999 15:29:08 GMT,
David L. Bilbey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> A friend of mine just installed RH6.0 and he has an AWE64. From what I've
> read elsewhere, I didn't think he had to do anything special to get it to
> work (other than compile in sound support and support for his card). Am I
> mistaken? He did these, but the card does not work still. Can someone
> point me to a _recent_ HOWTO or other document (one that pertains to kernel
> 2.2.5)? Thanks.
Well, on a stock install, he doesn't need to recompile even. (Most
distributions ship a stack of kernel modules for the most common
hardware.)
With the AWE64, it's probably Plug-n-Pray, which means he'll need to
kick it to wake it up. RedHat's "sndconfig" would do this,
For instructions on doing it by hand, see
/usr/src/linux/Documentation/sound/AWE32 on how to use the pnptools to
wake up the card.
--
Brian Moore | Of course vi is God's editor.
Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | If He used Emacs, He'd still be waiting
Usenet Vandal | for it to load on the seventh day.
Netscum, Bane of Elves.
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 18:30:24 +0200
From: Torbjorn Tallroth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: help on gcc
On Thu, 29 Jul 1999, Grant Edwards wrote:
> Is there a way to convert a set of info files into a single
> text file that can be searched?
info COMMAND > COMMAND.txt
--
tth
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From: "Art S. Kagel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Simple 'Kill' Question.
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 13:20:39 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Flash wrote:
>
> Does a 'kill -TERM' or 'kill -15' shut down a program as "gracefully" as
> if you quit it via the menu options (usually 'q') from within the app
> itself.
>
> Eg. I always have to kill Pine sessions and other console apps remotely,
> so that I can restart them in a present remote login to get the terminal
> input. I know that signal 9 destroys the process in bad form, but I use
> TERM alot, and am curious if this is as 'clean' as I like to believe.
It depends on whether the application author was savvy enough the trap the
SIGTERM and exit gracefully flushing and closing etc. There is no signal which
automatically closes things gracefully, indeed neither the exit button nor the
window menu's close button do that for you they both just send a signal to the
window management code in the application and hope it traps the message and
deals with it sanely.
So the answer to your question has to be a rousing: "Maybe!?!?"
Art S. Kagel
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From: Mark Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is Linux A Memory Hogging OS?
Date: 29 Jul 1999 18:24:40 +0100
"Youngert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I have an AMD K6-2 400MHz, 128M RAM running SuSE-6.1 with Linux-2.2.10
> kernel. The computer's setup is a basic one with X11 + KDE. Everytime I
> compile the kernel, the system starts swapping at some point and never
> releases the memory even after finishing the kernel compilation. Is there a
> way to force the kernel to release the un-used memory?
Some swapping is perfectly normal even on systems with lots of RAM -
gcc can use a lot of memory, and if you use the system iteractively
that will add to the load. It should only be a concern if you start
to see performance fall off.
How much memory you have free depends on which number you look at.
The kernel will use any otherwise unused memory for things like disk
cache. This memory is recorded as being in use, but if anything else
needs the memory it will be given to that process. If you look at
the output of free you will see something like this:
total used free shared buffers cached
Mem: 14836 14276 560 5404 1224 7148
-/+ buffers/cache: 5904 8932
Swap: 18896 4720 14176
Although there is only 560K of RAM which is not in use at all, there
is an additional 8MB or so which is avalible for use. If you really
want to forcibly deallocate it then running some process which
allocates a large amount of memory and then exits should do the trick.
--
Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness)
http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/
EUFS http://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/
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From: David L. Bilbey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: AWE64 and 2.2.5?
Date: 29 Jul 1999 15:29:08 GMT
A friend of mine just installed RH6.0 and he has an AWE64. From what I've
read elsewhere, I didn't think he had to do anything special to get it to
work (other than compile in sound support and support for his card). Am I
mistaken? He did these, but the card does not work still. Can someone
point me to a _recent_ HOWTO or other document (one that pertains to kernel
2.2.5)? Thanks.
David Bilbey
--
"One bad thing about Lassie, she was always warning you about something.
Let me be surprised for a change." --Jack Handey
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From: "YouDontKnowWho" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: ftp uploading, man ftpaccess sucks!
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 17:32:21 GMT
Have you verified the permissions of the directories you want
anonymous to upload to?
--
Principle of Minimum Access: "That which is not explicitly permitted
is denied."
ANNOUNCER: And now we return to our regularly scheduled, uncommonly
entertaining thread...
Jeff Greer wrote in message <37a1fb49.11088328@news-server>...
>Can someone tell me why an anonymous user cannot upload. I've
>tried "man ftpaccess" This man file sucks like most other man
>files.
>
>thanks.
>
>I am running RH 5.2. Here is the file "/etc/ftpaccess"
>-----------------------------------------------------
>
>email root@localhost
>
>loginfails 5
>
>readme README* login
>readme README* cwd=*
>
>message /welcome.msg login
>message .message cwd=*
>
>compress yes all
>tar yes all
>chmod no all
>delete yes all
>overwrite yes all
>rename yes all
>
>log transfers anonymous,real inbound,outbound
>
>shutdown /etc/shutmsg
>
>passwd-check
>
>upload /home/ftp /pub/in yes ftp ftp 0777
>--
>Jeff Greer
>B.S. computer science, University of MO - Rolla
>--------------------------------------------------
>Windows NT has crashed,
>I am the Blue Screen of Death,
>No one hears your screams...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ian Briggs)
Subject: Re: Java 1.2
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 17:58:29 GMT
Steve Webb wrote:
:Id like to install Java 1.2 on my Linux Box (redhat 6.0). Does anyone
:know which is the best installation to go for and where to get it.
Blackdown is the only Linux port that I know of:
http://www.blackdown.org
I think their 1.2 still counts as beta, and seems to have problems with
finding the correct fonts.
Ian
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kelley Spoon)
Subject: Re: Is RPM unique to Linux ?
Date: 29 Jul 1999 18:00:31 GMT
On 29 Jul 1999 14:51:15 GMT, John Robson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> A newbie question.
> I'm just wondering : Is RPM used only on Linux ?
> Can RPM be used on FreeBSD ? and if not, why not ? Why aren't
> applications packaged as RPM on other Unix platforms ?
Check out:
http://www.rpm.org/platforms.html
--
Kelley Spoon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sic Semper Tyrannis.
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From: David Turley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 13:44:33 -0400
Gee, I thought this was linux group. Can't you people read?
MK wrote:
> On 29 Jul 1999 08:30:45 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Kulisz)
> wrote:
> >>lot of money are NOT stupid. Do not forget that large companies might move
> >>from to US to a more tax friendly country, leaving the US with more
> >>unemployed and less income from taxes.
> >
> >No they wouldn't. That's just a bluff propagated by corporations.
>
> Is it really?
>
> One day, in Germany, Siemens Nixdorf company has got up, and moved
> to US just like that, leaving only salesmen there. Virtually no
> surplus of new jobs is created in Germany. Which is hardly
> strange -- creating a job in textile industry in Germany takes about
> 15,000 DM, while in low developed country it takes a few hundred.
> The main export commodity of Germany are jobs.
>
> BTW, somebody's paying for all those ultraexpensive jobs -- the
> customer. The most common person that is there.
>
> >They're
> >blackmailing your country and idiots like you tell everyone else to fold.
> >When you actually call their bluff, and it's been done in the past, the
> >companies stay right where they are.
>
> In your dreams.
>
> Marcin Krol
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> Reality is something that does not disappear after
> you cease believing in it - VALIS, Philip K. Dick
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> Delete _spamspamlovelyspam_ from address to email me
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stuart R. Fuller)
Subject: Re: HP false advertising!!!!
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.portable,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.sys.laptops,comp.sys.intel
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 18:10:08 GMT
Darryl L. Pierce ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: On Tue, 20 Jul 1999 05:00:04 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stuart R.
: Fuller) wrote:
:
: ;Calm down and get a life.
:
: That's easy to say when it wasn't _your_ money spent on the system...
Yes, you are correct that it's easy for me to kibbitz on the side here when
it's not my money on the line.
However, I was commenting more on the issue of "bold [sic] faced lie", and "do
we have a case", suggesting that this was a deliberate attempt by HP to
separate the poster from his money, and soliciting opinions as to whether he
should sue HP over the matter.
So, in retrospect, I should have just suggested that he "calm down" and skip
the "get a life". 1000 apologies.
Stu
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Incorrect amount of memory...
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 18:09:57 GMT
Are you sure there's nothing physically wrong with your memory? How much
do you have? You may need to pass the append="mem=??M" argument to LILO
(either manually or by adding it in the /etc/lilo.conf file) where ?? is
the amount of RAM you have.
HTH,
Alan
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Morning all!!
>
> I've run into a weird problem and haven't been able to find a
solution. I
> recently built a machine with Mandrake (Venus). After some initial
weirdness
> with LILO, I got the system up and running with only 2 remaining major
issues:
>
> 1) I cannot get the build to see more than 16MB of memory. I tried
rebuilding
> the kernel, but that didn't help. I don't see anything in the FAQs,
Read Me's
> or MAN pages about this. Suggestions and pointers to information would
be
> appreciated.
>
> 2) I cannot get the system time correct. The machine is set to GMT. I
told it
> this during the build, along with my time zone, but I'm always an hour
ahead.
> Am I missing soemthing obvious? Is this a problem in the build or
kernel?
>
> I'd apprecaite that responses be CCed to my e-mail, as it takes the
machine
> forever to sort through the newsgroups on 16MB.
>
> Thanks to all!
>
> KB.
>
--
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It's either the Debian Way or the highway.
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From: "Ryan T. Rhea" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How can I resize my Linux-partition?
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 17:11:25 GMT
Tom Fawcett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in article
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> "Arik Funke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > I'd like to resize my Linux-partition!
> > How can I do this?
>
> ext2resize is designed to do this. It's beta software, though.
> I haven't used it myself.
>
> http://www.dsv.nl/~buytenh/ext2resize/
>
> -Tom
>
Actually, ext2resize only resizes the ext2 filesystem, and leaves the
physical partition size alone. You have to use another tool to resize the
partition. You can look into 'LVM' for this functionality (search 'LVM' at
http://www.freshmeat.net). You can also use fdisk in conjunction with
ext2resize if you know what you are doing - but you can't use it on a live
(mounted) filesystem, and it is still in testing (sketchy) stages.
If you really have a need to resize the filesystem and partition I would
either invest in Partition Magic 4 (which is a good thing to have anyway),
or if you already have Partition Magic 3.x, you can download a free addon
to do the same thing.
Ryan T. Rhea
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.lang.smalltalk
From: Peter Hatch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Should IBM port Visual Age for Java to Linux?
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 18:52:46 GMT
Reality is a point of view wrote:
>
> [note: crosspost added c.l.s, Cc'd tmurphy for kicks]
>
> +---- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote (Tue, 23 Feb 1999 10:18:54 -0600):
> | Well..in order for IBM to port VisualAge Java to Linux they would have
> | to port VisualAge Smalltalk to Linux because VA-Java is just a
> | VA-Smalltalk application. I would be heavily in favor of them porting
> | VA-Smalltalk to Linux because VA-Smalltalk is a much better development
> | tool than VA-Java anyway.
> |
> | They could probably do it fairly easily because they already have
> | VA-Smalltalk running on Windows, OS/2, AIX, Solaris, HP/UX, MVS, etc...
> +----
>
> Pressure from that other proprietary Smalltalk, ObjectShare's
> VW Smalltalk, will probably speed the port of VA Smalltalk.
>
I don't think so. At least, it hasn't sped up anything so far. The VW
port has been at least semi-public for a year now (information-wise).
It's been distributed for almost 6 months. The generator base of the VA
system was ported to Linux quite a while ago (like a year or so ago).
IBM has hopped onto the Linux bandwagon since then, and they've done
several interesting things. They ported some internal system to Linux
(it's on their web page, i forget what it's called), and recently they
released DB2 (I haven't used it 'cause I've got Oracle 8i). As far as I
can tell, their generator base was ported long before it was even
considered to port DB2. I think that IBM has bigger fish to fry, since
their new partnership with RedHat allows them to sell hardware to
customers. I hear that they are gearing up to start selling RS6000s
with RedHat Linux pre-installed. I don't think that VA Smalltalk is
topping their list right now.... But give it a year or two and we'll
see :-)
> For those that aren't aware, VW Smalltalk for Linux has been
> announced, or possibly just preannounced.
It's been available for non-commercial use on Linux for almost 6 months
now. The commercial version will be "unveiled" during Linux World Expo
(March 1-4).
> A lot of MIS style
> Smalltalkers like it. If I'm not mistaken ObjectShare intends
> to make a splash at a certain upcoming conference. If they do
> keep an eye out of 'deployment licensing' (see their
> preannoucement, posted to USENET, for previous plans to seek
> deployment fees), it hasn't been determined if they will retain
> that sort of silliness (but rumblings seem to indicate they
> will drop them, though encouragement couldn't hurt).
>
Most likely there will be several licenses. Some folks would much
rather have runtimes, while others just want the product for a one-time
fee. Still others want lots of support, and some want no support at
all. Then there's the large shops (200 heads) and the Little Guy (2
guys doing independent consulting). All of these people have their own
needs, but only about 1% of them speak up. The happy people are always
the quietest unfortunately. The purpose of stating the press release
the way it was stated was to gauge public opinion about the option of
re-introducing runtimes for certain customers (also to see if the 90%
price reduction could justify runtimes or a deployment license). We
shall see...
> --
> Gary Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Privacy on the net is still illegal.
--
====================================
Pete Hatch <pete at parcplace.com>
====================================
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.lang.smalltalk
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dennis Smith)
Subject: Re: Should IBM port Visual Age for Java to Linux?
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 18:53:58 GMT
On 25 Feb 1999 21:02:38 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Reality is a
point of view) wrote:
> +---- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote (Thu, 25 Feb 1999 13:47:20 GMT):
> | There is a serious problem created by the "I won't pay runtime fee"
> | argument, and that is that it hurts small companies who are trying
> | to get rolling in the 2 or 3 years up-to deployment time.
> +----
>
>I disagree. I wasn't aware of ObjectShare's recent filing
>until skimming that c.l.s thread yesterday. Maybe Lyon wasn't
>the problem. Maybe it was attitudes like the above that
>strangled the VW Smalltalk market. Yet again.
First, the comments are mine not objectshare's,
second I was not suggesting a return of runtime fees,
but an options, chooseable by the buyer so you could
have it whichever way you wanted. VWNC could in fact
be considered and extreme of runtime fees -- you use it
for free until you want to sell something commercially then
you pay per development seat.
>
>Go Squeak!
=================================================================
Dennis Smith, MaSc -- Cherniak Software Development Corporation
400-10 Commerce Valley Dr E, Thornhill ON Canada L3T 7N7
Phone: 905.771.7011 FAX: 905.771.6288
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cherniak.on.ca
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.lang.smalltalk
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dennis Smith)
Subject: Re: Should IBM port Visual Age for Java to Linux?
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 18:52:55 GMT
On Thu, 25 Feb 1999 07:41:30 -0500, "Bob Jarvis"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Peter Hatch wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>>The purpose of stating the press release
>>the way it was stated was to gauge public opinion about the option of
>>re-introducing runtimes for certain customers (also to see if the 90%
>>price reduction could justify runtimes or a deployment license). We
>>shall see...
>
>
>I don't know what other feedback you're getting, but I'm not interested in
>paying for a runtime license. I'd rather use Smalltalk, but if it's a
>choice between Smalltalk and runtime fees or something else without runtime
>fees I'll probably choose "something else". C++ on Linux is cheap.
If you want ST, you have to pay for it. You can
- pay for it up front (higher cost)
- pay for it a bit up front and more later
- maybe pay for it a bit up front and more later
as a "deployment one-time charge"
There is a serious problem created by the "I won't pay runtime fee"
argument, and that is that it hurts small companies who are trying
to get rolling in the 2 or 3 years up-to deployment time.
If you think removing runtime fees makes things cheaper (as
some here seem to), you are being pretty naive. If it costs
$x per year to build and maintain a product, and if there will
be 'n' development licenses, the cost will be x/n no matter what,
and the average cost per devloper will be the same, with or
without runtime fees. The only arguments I see against
runtime fees are those of administration -- its a nuisance,
so that is why I suggest a couple of fee structures.
=================================================================
Dennis Smith, MaSc -- Cherniak Software Development Corporation
400-10 Commerce Valley Dr E, Thornhill ON Canada L3T 7N7
Phone: 905.771.7011 FAX: 905.771.6288
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cherniak.on.ca
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From: Graffiti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: Re: Linux has finally crashed
Date: 29 Jul 1999 11:32:51 -0700
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[snip]
>Stop right there. What I said is what I meant. Netscape locks up the
>XServer and every things else. I have other machines here from which I
>could telnet, but the system would not even ping.
Then it's not a Netscape crash. It's a bug in the X server that Netscape
happens to trigger. Blame the X server.
-- DN
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From: Jarek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: repartitioning worries
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 21:09:16 +0200
"Brian D. Jones" wrote:
> of not being able to boot, seeing other partitions, etc. If I just
> delete the partition using fdisk and add another one in its place and
> then reboot, will I be ok?
You don't even need to reboot ;)
Jarek
--
Raz, dwa, trzy, proba sygnatury...
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From: Jarek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sticky bit??
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 21:27:08 +0200
"Oliver D. Bedford" wrote:
>
> Tobias Galitzien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Hello!
> >
> > Can someone give me an explanation about what the "sticky bit" is? What it
> > is good for and why would I use it for files/directories?
>
> I think the use for (executable) files is quite obsolete (?).
That's right. Nowdays it silently ignored for executables...
The same with suid scripts :)
Jarek
--
Raz, dwa, trzy, proba sygnatury...
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From: Jarek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is Linux A Memory Hogging OS?
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 21:02:36 +0200
Youngert wrote:
>
> I have an AMD K6-2 400MHz, 128M RAM running SuSE-6.1 with Linux-2.2.10
Heh, I got K62-366 128MB and WindowMaker :)
> kernel. The computer's setup is a basic one with X11 + KDE. Everytime I
> compile the kernel, the system starts swapping at some point and never
Strange, I never got swapping... Maybe because I do not have
swap file/partition. Linux is smart :) when there is no more
memory then frees cache buffers.
> releases the memory even after finishing the kernel compilation. Is there a
> way to force the kernel to release the un-used memory?
Sure, see /proc file system. More details in kernel source
tree Documentation/.
Jarek
--
Raz, dwa, trzy, proba sygnatury...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: RAID1 Questions
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 18:31:12 GMT
I am running RH 6.0, with kernel 2.2.10 and am trying to add
mirroring. I read the Software-RaidHOWTO and compiled the kernel with
RAID1 support. I created the raidtab file just as shown in the HOWTO.
Unfortunately, when I try to start RAID on md0, it doesnt work becaus
my drive is mounted.
My questions are:
Can I add RAID1 to my root drive, even while it is mounted? What's the
best and safest way of doing this?
Also, the raidtab file specifies partitions being mirrored. I would
like to mirror the whole drive which has two partitions and a swap
space. How do I go about doing that?
Thanks for Your Help,
Phil R.
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From: Mark Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Simple 'Kill' Question.
Date: 29 Jul 1999 18:40:35 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Flash) writes:
> Does a 'kill -TERM' or 'kill -15' shut down a program as "gracefully" as
> if you quit it via the menu options (usually 'q') from within the app
Depends on how the process deals with it. Some processes will just
die without attempting any cleanup, others will save their state
nicely. Check the documentation for the program to see what it does
(for some programs it may not make much sense to do anything).
--
Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness)
http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/
EUFS http://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.lang.smalltalk
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: Should IBM port Visual Age for Java to Linux?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 18:52:12 GMT
On 23 Feb 1999 20:13:52 GMT, Reality is a point of view
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[note: crosspost added c.l.s, Cc'd tmurphy for kicks]
>
> +---- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote (Tue, 23 Feb 1999 10:18:54 -0600):
> | Well..in order for IBM to port VisualAge Java to Linux they would have
> | to port VisualAge Smalltalk to Linux because VA-Java is just a
> | VA-Smalltalk application. I would be heavily in favor of them porting
> | VA-Smalltalk to Linux because VA-Smalltalk is a much better development
> | tool than VA-Java anyway.
> |
> | They could probably do it fairly easily because they already have
> | VA-Smalltalk running on Windows, OS/2, AIX, Solaris, HP/UX, MVS, etc...
> +----
>
>Pressure from that other proprietary Smalltalk, ObjectShare's
>VW Smalltalk, will probably speed the port of VA Smalltalk.
>
>For those that aren't aware, VW Smalltalk for Linux has been
>announced, or possibly just preannounced. A lot of MIS style
>Smalltalkers like it. If I'm not mistaken ObjectShare intends
>to make a splash at a certain upcoming conference. If they do
>keep an eye out of 'deployment licensing' (see their
>preannoucement, posted to USENET, for previous plans to seek
>deployment fees), it hasn't been determined if they will retain
>that sort of silliness (but rumblings seem to indicate they
>will drop them, though encouragement couldn't hurt).
ObjectShare did a presentation at the January North Texas Linux Users
Group meeting, and left us with a few Zip disks with copies of the
"freely deployable" portions.
An email directed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] might be suitable for locating
some place where the software can be found...
--
"Who is General Failure and why is he reading my hard disk ?"
-- [EMAIL PROTECTED], Felix von Leitner
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/languages.html>
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.lang.smalltalk
From: "Bob Jarvis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Should IBM port Visual Age for Java to Linux?
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 18:52:53 GMT
Peter Hatch wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>The purpose of stating the press release
>the way it was stated was to gauge public opinion about the option of
>re-introducing runtimes for certain customers (also to see if the 90%
>price reduction could justify runtimes or a deployment license). We
>shall see...
I don't know what other feedback you're getting, but I'm not interested in
paying for a runtime license. I'd rather use Smalltalk, but if it's a
choice between Smalltalk and runtime fees or something else without runtime
fees I'll probably choose "something else". C++ on Linux is cheap.
--
Bob Jarvis
Mail address hacked to foil spammers!
Remove "ob" from address to reply
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Inventor 1.0 file viewer for Linux ???
Date: 29 Jul 1999 18:30:40 GMT
Is there a file viewer or VRML plug-in (for Netscape) that
will display SGI Inventor 1.0 *.iv files ?
I've ported an audio app which will create iv files from
the sonograms but I don't know how to view them.
Please email me as well as posting to the group, thank you.
Dave Phillips
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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