Linux-Misc Digest #220, Volume #20 Sat, 15 May 99 22:13:09 EDT
Contents:
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (NF Stevens)
Re: silly windows ("Nevyn")
Re: Another problem ("Travis Landry")
Re: G-N-O-M-E as default instead of Fvwm ("Spud")
Re: fdisk /MBR ??? ("J�rgen Exner")
Re: SECURITY ISSUES: Single user restriction at lilo boot: (Helmut Kreft)
Re: LS-120 ("Cameron Spitzer")
Can I change X login screen In RedHat 5.2 (Mike Rego)
Re: In defence of UNIX man pages (Bob Nelson)
CompuServe? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: silly windows (Juergen Heinzl)
Re: In defence of UNIX man pages (John Thompson)
Re: How to Dialup to Linux Server !? (root)
Re: car mp3 player ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Problem in Getting Kernel 2.2.9 work with RH 6.0 ("Bhola N. De")
Re: Gnum as default instead of Fvwm ("Gero H. Marten")
Re: SECURITY ISSUES: Single user restriction at lilo boot: ("Charles Sullivan")
Re: can't send email through qmail ("Curt")
Re: Need help setting up system. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (NF Stevens)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 20:26:08 GMT
"Martin Ozolins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Andrew Carol wrote in message ...
[snip]
>>I agree. We are where we are. We can't change the past. Where are
>>we going from here?
>>
>Don't you mean Were do you want to go today? :-)
No. The question is "Where do you want to go tomorrow?".
Norman
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From: "Nevyn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: silly windows
Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 23:32:02 +0100
> are you smoking something or am I just to old to understand your problem
k...if u want to put an option on an msdos command like a page at a time on
the dir command.....u go dir /p
to add summin to a linux command u would put say ls -a
in the msdos ping command u still woudl use -a....not /a
i jus wonder y if they could keep it the same an not confuse people
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From: "Travis Landry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.linux,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x,linux.redhat,linux.redhat.install,linux.redhat.misc,linux.redhat.rpm,nl.comp.os.linux,nl.comp.os.linux.installat
Subject: Re: Another problem
Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 18:49:24 -0400
Not if you're using RH 6.0, Its gnorpm there
Tomer Brisker wrote in message ...
>The XFree RPM manager is called glint. To check if you have it installed,
>run "rpm -q glint" from a virtual console. If it is intalled, all you
>have to do is type "glint" on any xterm, or set it up to be in your
>menu/icons by reading the man pages for your window manager. If it is not
>installed, you can get the latest version from
>http://rufus.w3.org/linux/RPM/glint.html
>
>[This followup was posted to alt.linux and a copy was sent to the cited
>author.]
>
>In article <7gcp2q$3i6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>> Under xwindows the RPM manager was available. I don't know what happened
but
>> it is gone. Can someone tell me how to get it back under Xwindows that is
??
>>
>> Thanx
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>>
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From: "Spud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: G-N-O-M-E as default instead of Fvwm
Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 00:28:25 GMT
>I'm re-sending this question, fixed ( i hope so ) and more detailed.
>
>I'm trying to set G-N-O-M-E to be default instead if Fvwm,
>but with no success.
You are confused here. GNOME is a desktop environment, FVWM is a window
manager. They are meant to be run *TOGETHER*.
>I'm using RedHat 6.0 .
>As far as I understand, this the scenario in my computer ( and many
>others i guess.. ):
>
>"/etc/x11/xdm/Xsession"
>then
>"root/.Xclients"
>then
>"root/.Xclients-defaults" ( who choose what to run according to
>".wm_style" )
>
>I think that "/etc/x11/xdm/Xsession" is trying to find some file and
>can't find it because there i see the command "exec gnome-session", but
>it fails and continues to "root/.Xclients" etc.
What you need to do is make a .xinitrc in your home directory, and add the
following line to it:
exec gnome-session
Then when you start up X, it will run the session manager. If fvwm is not
started, run it. Then gnome-session will remember that it was running, and
you will have it on subsequent startups.
>Can anybody help, and tell me in which i set the default ?
>Thanks,
>Itzik.
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From: "J�rgen Exner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: fdisk /MBR ???
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 13:49:43 -0700
Reply-To: "J�rgen Exner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Joachim Feise <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
[...]
> I sure wished
> Redhat would change their installation procedure to keep lilo out of the
mbr. That
> would also cut down on the amount of newsgroup questions on this topic.
I have to disagree.
If you are not installing LILO in the MBR, then you must have some other
initial step boat loader.
Why would you want to enforce the use of (usually) a DOS boot loader? There
are people, who don't have DOS.
jue
--
J�rgen Exner
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Helmut Kreft)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.security,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: SECURITY ISSUES: Single user restriction at lilo boot:
Date: 16 May 1999 00:31:12 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hi ,
>
>Comming to the point, How do you block the "linux single" param at boot
>up? what other work arounds can you suggest? Since these are PCs and
>have reset buttons, power cords any user can reboot the machine.
man lilo.conf
look for "restricted"
I think this will solve your problem.
Helmut
--
Un*x IS user friendly. It's just selective about who it's friends are.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Cameron Spitzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: LS-120
Date: 16 May 1999 00:10:33 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Rex Basham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Cameron Spitzer wrote:
>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> Gene Heskett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >Reply to: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > DS> But I'd still like to know how to low-level format the damn things under
>> > DS> Linux.
>> >
>> >mkfs? Works for me, on some disks whose sectoring was at best AFU due
>> >to a hardware fault when the drive was attached to another machine (this
>>
>> The mkfs command does not perform the function known in the MS-DOS world
>> as a "low level format." Mkfs requires that the media already contain
>> tracks and sector marks. If you bulk-erase a floppy you will find mkfs
>
>Why would you need to low level format anything?
"DS" asked what to do if the "sectoring was at best AFU due to a
hardware fault when the drive was attached to another machine"
I.E., DS wants to restore the damaged format on the medium, not
write a file system.
>Run fdisk, delete all
>the partitions, create a single primary, and write it to disk. Now mkfs
Suppose the first cylinder of the LS-120 medium is okay, but the rest
has been demagnetized. For example, the diskette was sitting under
a phone (with old-fashioned mechanical ringer) when it rang, or was
carried in a dashboard glovebox next to the speaker.
The fdisk might succeed, but mke2fs would fail because the media is
not formatted.
>works fine. Only problem I have with LS-120 is getting one to boot.
>mkbootdisk --device /dev/hda1 2.2.8 appears to write everything fine
>but the boot gets to LI and hangs forever. Any insight?
According to Werner's LILO Technical Overview the I means the secondary
boot loader is about to start. You only get the second L if the geometry
matches and the mapfile is found. So, most likely your lilo.conf
file does not accurately describe the drive and the file systems on it.
Cameron
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From: Mike Rego <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Can I change X login screen In RedHat 5.2
Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 23:08:45 GMT
I have X started as I login can I change the background of the login
screen and how do I do that?
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From: Bob Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: In defence of UNIX man pages
Date: 15 May 1999 18:17:36 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Matt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm a university student who in order to share an opinion requires an
> "experts" opinion to back up my point of view. If you are an expert, please
> read on.
> Our task is to criticise the UNIX man pages and rewrite our selected man
> page topics for a novice user.
[...]
> It is because of a strong swing to graphical operating systems that the UNIX
> man pages are both unfamiliar and difficult for novice users to understand,
> not because they were poorly written."
Or could it be that the difficulty of the Unix man pages led to the rise
of a GUI-based means of communicating with the computer? :)
- On a more serious note, a fault that I find with many of the man pages
is an emphasis on ``cleverness'' over ``clarity''. Though this style is
consistent with Raymond's profile of J. Random Hacker, it offers fails
to convey meaningful information such as the familiar error, ``You don't
exist, go away''[1]. See van der Linden's _Just Java_ for other examples.
Exhibit A: The ``NAME'' section of less(1).
Exhibit B: The ``BUGS'' section of fvwm2(1).
--
[1] Sophomoric messages are not limited to Unix or free software. Central
Point Software's commercial ``PC Tools'' displayed the following error
(which looked a like a /*NOTREACHED*/ that was reached):
``You are up the creek. You have no paddle.''
Accurate? Possibly, but its dignostics (prescriptive or otherwise)
were/are unhelpful.
--
========================================================================
Bob Nelson -- Dallas, Texas, USA ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
http://www.oldradio.com/archives/nelson/open-computing.html
``Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.''
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: CompuServe?
Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 13:56:10 GMT
In an installation of SuSE Linux I saw a reference to Compuserve being
used as an ISP when setting up PPP. I'm not currently on SuSE but would
like to use Compuserve if possible. At the moment I'm unable to connect
due to chap secrets error. If anyone out there in Linux Land is using
Compuserve and would like to share examples of chap setup or other
critical considerations please email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ray Seiffert
--== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==--
---Share what you know. Learn what you don't.---
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Juergen Heinzl)
Subject: Re: silly windows
Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 00:45:35 GMT
In article <7hkstl$rga$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Nevyn wrote:
>> are you smoking something or am I just to old to understand your problem
>
>k...if u want to put an option on an msdos command like a page at a time on
>the dir command.....u go dir /p
>to add summin to a linux command u would put say ls -a
>in the msdos ping command u still woudl use -a....not /a
>i jus wonder y if they could keep it the same an not confuse people
Might be the M$ guys are a bit confused too.
Cheers,
Juergen
--
\ Real name : J�rgen Heinzl \ no flames /
\ EMail Private : [EMAIL PROTECTED] \ send money instead /
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From: John Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: In defence of UNIX man pages
Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 20:05:17 -0600
Matt wrote:
[clip]
> It is because of a strong swing to graphical operating systems that the UNIX
> man pages are both unfamiliar and difficult for novice users to understand,
> not because they were poorly written."
I think if usage examples were a common component of man
pages many novices would have a much easier time.
--
-John ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: root <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: How to Dialup to Linux Server !?
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 15:05:13 -0700
Yes, you can use "mgetty".
Setting mgetty up to accept dial-ups, do authentication, and then being
able to access all the services (telnet, ppp, mail, etc.) you want
requires configuration, possible mgetty re-compilation, and is not as
easy as one could wish for, however.
Others here may be able to give you better information on setting mgetty
up to do exactly what you want.
Best Wishes,
AT
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Subject: Re: car mp3 player
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 20:37:32 GMT
According to David L. Bilbey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I'm looking into constructing an mp3 player for my car. I've searched the
> web, but come up with lots of useless (for me) info.
Uh, you really haven't searched that hard, then. Go to www.mp3car.com
and follow the links...
> Basically, what I'm
> looking for is a linux mp3 program that I can use for the playing. It
> should support keypad control, and ideally, output to an LCD screen. Does
> anyone have any pointers. If not, where can I get info on writing one
> myself? Thanks.
I'm pretty sure that people have posted source they have written.
However, unless you duplicate someone's hardware setup *exactly* you
are going to need to roll your own software to some extent.
-p.
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From: "Bhola N. De" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
linux.redhat.install,linux.redhat.misc,linux.dev.kernel,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Problem in Getting Kernel 2.2.9 work with RH 6.0
Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 09:00:46 -0400
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I tried compiling the newer kernels (starting from 2.2.7 to 2.2.9) under RedHat 6.0
and use them especially for reading NT drive. I keep getting the following error
message during boot:
[snip]
hdb:[PTABL] [525/64/63] hdb1
Kernel panic:VFS:Unable to mount root fs on 03:08
and it hangs in there. I can still boot using Kernel 2.2.5-15 that originally comes
with RH 6.0.
Now I had successfully done this with RH5.2 upto kernel 2.2.7 both manually and also
sometimes by using buildkernel.
Have anybody done this already with RH 6.0? Can you please give me a clue? I used my
previous .config file (from RH 5.2) and checked under RH 6.0. It looked OK. Had to
change a few things (for example: RAID-4/RAID-5 Mode under BLOCK DEVICES changed to y.)
Noticed that kernel files under RH 6.0 are fragmented into many more parts than it
used to be under RH 5.2.
Thx in advance.
--
Bhola De ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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<pre>I tried compiling the newer kernels (starting from 2.2.7 to 2.2.9) under RedHat
6.0 and use them especially for reading NT drive. I keep getting the following
error message during boot:</pre>
<pre><font color="#FF0000">[snip]
hdb:[PTABL] [525/64/63] hdb1
Kernel panic:VFS:Unable to mount root fs on 03:08</font></pre>
<pre>and it hangs in there. I can still boot using Kernel 2.2.5-15 that
originally comes with RH 6.0.</pre>
<pre>Now I had successfully done this with RH5.2 upto kernel 2.2.7 both manually and
also sometimes by using <font color="#3333FF">buildkernel</font>.</pre>
<pre>Have anybody done this already with RH 6.0? Can you please give me a
clue? I used my previous <font color="#3333FF">.config</font> file (from RH 5.2)
and checked under RH 6.0. It looked OK. Had to change a few things (for
example: RAID-4/RAID-5 Mode under BLOCK DEVICES changed to y.)</pre>
<pre>Noticed that kernel files under RH 6.0 are fragmented into many more parts than
it used to be under RH 5.2.</pre>
<pre>Thx in advance.</pre>
<pre>--
Bhola De ([EMAIL PROTECTED])</pre>
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From: "Gero H. Marten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Gnum as default instead of Fvwm
Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 07:06:24 +0200
"Itzik S." wrote:
> I'm trying to set Gnum to be default instead if Fvwm,
> but with no success.
Its a little tricky, as you have to edit your .xinitrc and/or
.xsession files. Assuming GNOME to be in /opt/gnome, I start it with
startx /opt/gnome/bin/gnome
Does that work for you?
--
Gero H. Marten
<http://www.provi.de/gmarten/index.html>
--
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From: "Charles Sullivan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.security,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: SECURITY ISSUES: Single user restriction at lilo boot:
Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 21:45:14 -0400
You'll also have to disconnect any floppy drives, or at least prevent the
PC from being booted from a floppy. There are DOS programs which
allow ext2 partitions to be read and written under DOS without regard
to the Linux file permissions.
Helmut Kreft wrote in message ...
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Hi ,
>>
>>Comming to the point, How do you block the "linux single" param at boot
>>up? what other work arounds can you suggest? Since these are PCs and
>>have reset buttons, power cords any user can reboot the machine.
>
>man lilo.conf
>look for "restricted"
>I think this will solve your problem.
>
> Helmut
>
>--
>Un*x IS user friendly. It's just selective about who it's friends are.
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
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Reply-To: "Curt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "Curt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: can't send email through qmail
Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 20:16:39 -0500
add MYDOMAIN to /var/qmail/control/rcpthosts
and /var/qmail/control/locals
and /var/qmail/control/defaultdomain
Kelvin Leung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Hello,
>
> I have a qmail setup in my RH 5.1 system. It is connected to internet
> through cable modem. I have PC clients connected to this server which
> use Netscape as email client. But the PC client cannot send email
> outside the local network. Any email going outside of this local network
> will get the following error message:
>
> The mail server responded:
> sorry, that domain isn't in my list of allowed rcpthosts (#5.7.1)
> Please check the message recipients and try again.
>
> And I have execute the qmail-showctl, with the following setting shown:
>
> ============================================================
> [root@MYHOSTNAME qmail-1.03]# qmail-showctl
> qmail home directory: /var/qmail.
> user-ext delimiter: -.
> paternalism (in decimal): 2.
> silent concurrency limit: 120.
> subdirectory split: 23.
> user ids: 80, 81, 82, 0, 83, 84, 85, 86.
> group ids: 80, 81.
>
> badmailfrom: (Default.) Any MAIL FROM is allowed.
>
> bouncefrom: (Default.) Bounce user name is MAILER-DAEMON.
>
> bouncehost: (Default.) Bounce host name is MYHOSTNAME.MYDOMAIN.
>
> concurrencylocal: (Default.) Local concurrency is 10.
>
> concurrencyremote: (Default.) Remote concurrency is 20.
>
> databytes: (Default.) SMTP DATA limit is 0 bytes.
>
> defaultdomain: Default domain name is MYDOMAIN.
>
> defaulthost: (Default.) Default host name is MYHOSTNAME.MYDOMAIN.
>
> doublebouncehost: (Default.) 2B recipient host: MYHOSTNAME.MYDOMAIN.
>
> doublebounceto: (Default.) 2B recipient user: postmaster.
>
> envnoathost: (Default.) Presumed domain name is MYHOSTNAME.MYDOMAIN.
>
> helohost: (Default.) SMTP client HELO host name is MYHOSTNAME.MYDOMAIN.
> idhost: (Default.) Message-ID host name is MYHOSTNAME.MYDOMAIN.
>
> localiphost: (Default.) Local IP address becomes MYHOSTNAME.MYDOMAIN.
>
> locals:
> Messages for localhost are delivered locally.
> Messages for MYHOSTNAME.MYDOMAIN are delivered locally.
>
> me: My name is MYHOSTNAME.MYDOMAIN.
>
> percenthack: (Default.) The percent hack is not allowed.q
>
> plusdomain: Plus domain name is home.com.
>
> qmqpservers: (Default.) No QMQP servers.
>
> queuelifetime: (Default.) Message lifetime in the queue is 604800
> seconds.
>
> rcpthosts:
> SMTP clients may send messages to recipients at localhost.
> SMTP clients may send messages to recipients at MYHOSTNAME.MYDOMAIN.
> SMTP clients may send messages to recipients at k166.MYDOMAIN.
> SMTP clients may send messages to recipients at k166.localdomain.
> SMTP clients may send messages to recipients at pm7300.MYDOMAIN.
> SMTP clients may send messages to recipients at pm7300.localdomain.
> SMTP clients may send messages to recipients at k166.
> SMTP clients may send messages to recipients at pm7300.
> SMTP clients may send messages to recipients at wonderland.dns.org.
>
> morercpthosts: (Default.) No effect.
>
> morercpthosts.cdb: (Default.) No effect.
>
> smtpgreeting: (Default.) SMTP greeting: 220 MYHOSTNAME.MYDOMAIN.
>
> smtproutes: (Default.) No artificial SMTP routes.
>
> timeoutconnect: (Default.) SMTP client connection timeout is 60 seconds.
>
> timeoutremote: (Default.) SMTP client data timeout is 1200 seconds.
>
> timeoutsmtpd: (Default.) SMTP server data timeout is 1200 seconds.
>
> virtualdomains: (Default.) No virtual domains.
> [root@MYHOSTNAME qmail-1.03]#
>
> ===========================================================
>
> Please help... thanks.
>
> Kelvin
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Need help setting up system.
Date: 16 May 1999 02:48:22 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
theoddone33 scribbled manically:
: From
: my limited experience installing windows, I'm assuming it will only install
: itself in the first partition. Is this correct?
I admit I'm not sure about the first partition, but I know Windows
_does_ want to be on the first hard drive (the master, that is), so it seems
a good guess that it would want the first partition. OTOH, the LILO mini-
howto suggests that you can boot DOS, at least, from a later partition.
: Also, I read in Linux
: Journal that LILO can load windows. I would like RH to load by default,
: even if windows is in the first partition and I want to put LILO in the
: Master Boot Record. Is there anyone who knows how to do this that would
: like to explain it to me further? Specifically, I need help with getting
: LILO to load windows. Any help is greatly appreciated.
You might want to take a look at the LILO mini-howto at
http://www.linux-howto.com/ptHOWTO/mini/LILO
and the Linux+Win95 mini-howto at
http://www.linux-howto.com/ptHOWTO/mini/Linux+Win95
Plus, of course, the lilo and lilo.conf manpages, which are pretty good,
and the lilo docs in /usr/lib/lilo/doc (assuming you installed them, or have
them on CD). The short description is: install windows first (making sure
you leave empty space for your linux partition), then install linux, then,
from linux, install lilo, with a lilo.conf file which gives you a choice
between Windows and linux, with linux as the default. Not hard at all...
like I say, 'man lilo.conf' is your friend.
JD
--
"Corporations can't teach hacking. It has to be in you."
--Emmanuel Goldstein
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