Linux-Misc Digest #220, Volume #25 Sun, 23 Jul 00 18:13:01 EDT
Contents:
Re: ICQ in RH6.2? (Michael Mitchell)
Re: recovering my /usr/src/linux/.config file? ("Andrew E. Schulman")
Re: Apparently slow modem speed (Mark Hymers)
ontrack ddo; windows doesn't see my files (Oktay Altunergil)
Favorites and Outlook address book migration from Windows to Linux (Andy Kinsey)
Re: Netscape 4.73-us has Alzheimer disease? (Prasanth A. Kumar)
Re: Favorites and Outlook address book migration from Windows to Linux (Prasanth A.
Kumar)
Re: Please sign the "Grand Prix Legends" petition! (FDA)
GO2CALL problems behind firewall (Laetus)
Re: Best Linux distribution for newbie (David W Lacey)
Re: Compaq Armada 1700 and built in modem (Dave Slusher)
Re: just wondering.. (Dirk Reckmann)
Re: split (Victor Wagner)
Re: Linux & free ISPs (Richard)
Re: StarOffice doesn|t show vfat partition (Reinhard Karcher)
Re: Dualboot - Windows 2000 and Redhat 6.2 ("Andy Judge")
Re: Best Linux distribution for newbie ("Andy Judge")
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From: Michael Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ICQ in RH6.2?
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 20:12:47 GMT
Try the Gnome website, the version I located there worked for me.
ICQ # 10023367
Michal Szymanski wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Which RPMs should I install to get ICQ running on my RH6.2 machine?
> I tried 'licq' + 'licq-qt' (ver. 0.85) but then I get following
> error message:
>
> 21:40:22: [ERR] Unable to load plugin (qt-gui):
> /usr/lib/licq/licq_qt-gui.so: undefined symbol:
> dragEnterEvent__14QMultiLineEditP15QDragEnterEvent.
>
> I have 'qt-2.1.0-4.beta1' installed if that might be important.
>
> any hints would be appreciated,
>
> regards, Michal.
>
> --
> Michal Szymanski ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
> Warsaw University Observatory, Warszawa, POLAND
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From: "Andrew E. Schulman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: recovering my /usr/src/linux/.config file?
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 16:15:48 -0400
> >I accidentally deleted my old /usr/src/linux directory (didn't notice
> >the softlink), is there any way I can recover the .config file? Perhaps
> >there is a command that will generate it given a kernel?
> >
> >I'm having trouble building a new kernel, I'd like to try 'make oldconfig'
> >instead.
>
> It might help if you said what you are trying and what error message you
> get.
He's trying to build a kernel, and he wants to use his old .config file
instead of recreating one, but he can't because he deleted the old one.
> For a new kernel you should 'make mrproper' before doing anything else.
... which will also remove any .config that's already there.
I think the answer to Peter's question is, as David said, no, you've
removed your old .config and will have to reconfigure before you rebuild.
It won't take that long, maybe 20-30 minutes.
Once you've reconfigured, back up your .config by, for example,
cd /usr/src
cp linux/.config config
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark Hymers)
Subject: Re: Apparently slow modem speed
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 20:26:00 GMT
......
>setserial -v /dev/ttyS3 port 0x2e8 irq 3
>or
>setserial -v /dev/ttyS3 port 0x2e8 auto_irq skip_test autoconfig
It doesn't work (nothing can see the modem) if I set the irq to 3 or 4
and if i use auto_irq / autoconfig, it keeps the irq set as 0.
>Too bad about the DIP switches... are there any letters/numbers near
>said switches? Those may mean something to modem gurus in this NG...
No, unfortunately they are just labelled 1-6 and have the usual off/on
positions labelled.
Any suggestions as to where I might obtain the DIP switch information?
I think that this is the root of the problem as it looks like the
modem is misconfigured. Otherwise, I might have to try fiddling with
them in various positions until they work - this shouldn't break
anything should it? (apart from my temper at having to reboot
hundreds of times for the various configurations of switches!)
Thanks for your help
Mark
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From: Oktay Altunergil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: ontrack ddo; windows doesn't see my files
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 20:30:07 GMT
Hello,
I have a problem with Seagate's Disk Wizard which installs OnTrack's DDO
software. Something went wrong during installation and there seems to be
nothing in the C: drive anymore. Only a file called 'L' and an empty
'Windows' directory. However, when I boot Linux using using the boot
disk,
I can see that my windows partitions remain unchanged and I can access
all
my files which do not show up in DOS. I believe somehow Linux remembers
the
correct geometry or something. While it's good that I can back up the
files
in Linux, I would like to be able to save the Windows installation since
I
know everything is there somewhere. Tried 'fdisk /mbr' already but that
did
not help. I believe I have to uninstall Ontrack's overlay software but I
don't know how to go about doing it. Does anybody have any idea?
Thanks
Oktay
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From: Andy Kinsey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Favorites and Outlook address book migration from Windows to Linux
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 16:45:28 -0400
Does anyone know of a way to migrate the following from Windows to
Linux?
Internet Explorer's Favorites folder
Microsoft Outlook 98's address book
I could type all of this stuff in, but it sure would be a lot easier if
I could convert it. Maybe mtools...?
Thanks in advance for your help.
Andy
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Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.suse
Subject: Re: Netscape 4.73-us has Alzheimer disease?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Prasanth A. Kumar)
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 20:53:48 GMT
blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Any body has this problem?
>
> My Netscape 4.73 (downloaded from netscape.com, u.s. version)is having
> Alzheimer disease.
> Won't save anything. No bookmark, no nothing!!!!
>
> Alex / blowfish.
Check the permission of the files in ~/.netscape.
--
Prasanth Kumar
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: Favorites and Outlook address book migration from Windows to Linux
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Prasanth A. Kumar)
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 20:55:21 GMT
Andy Kinsey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Does anyone know of a way to migrate the following from Windows to
> Linux?
>
> Internet Explorer's Favorites folder
> Microsoft Outlook 98's address book
>
> I could type all of this stuff in, but it sure would be a lot easier if
> I could convert it. Maybe mtools...?
>
> Thanks in advance for your help.
>
> Andy
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In IE, under file/exports, it can convert your favorites folder into a
bookmarks.html file suitable for Netscape. Also, the KDE browser can
understand IE favorites but cannot convert them though.
--
Prasanth Kumar
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From: FDA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.mandrake,rec.autos.simulators
Subject: Re: Please sign the "Grand Prix Legends" petition!
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 23:01:30 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Kirk Lane wrote:
> You don't expect to have to restart your car after a few
> hours of driving,
If that allows to buy my car for $100, I shall gladly
accept that. There are also mainframe systems that
boot less that once per year statistically, like MVS,
but they will cost you $1000... per day !
> or for the car to decide it wants to take a longer
> slower way when you know a faster one, or the car to slow down
> dramatically after a few months of use...why do people accept that in
> their computers???
If they do not, they should not run Linux as well. I have always
been surprised to see my disk drives lights go wild for many
minutes, while the console was terribly slowed down, when
I was not doing anything special. If I issue a "top" command
when that happens, it just say that there is a .so (!) doing
something. Same junk than in Windows, the only enhancement
being that you the name of the culprit program :-(
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From: Laetus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: GO2CALL problems behind firewall
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 20:53:05 GMT
Quick overview. I can't get my WIN2K machine (IP 192.168.1.14 on my
home network) to work with GO2CALL. I'm behind a Linux firewall
running IPCHAINS to masq the backend of the network. Chain rules:
:input ACCEPT
:forward DENY
:output ACCEPT
-A forward -s 192.168.1.0/255.255.255.0 -d 0.0.0.0/0.0.0.0 -j MASQ
I'm also doing portforwarding with the following rules:
/usr/sbin/ipmasqadm portfw -a -P tcp -L firewall's.incoming.ip.address
\ 2090 -R 192.168.1.14 2090
/usr/sbin/ipmasqadm portfw -a -P tcp -L firewall's.incoming.ip.address
\ 2091 -R 192.168.1.14 2091
/usr/sbin/ipmasqadm portfw -a -P udp -L firewall's.incoming.ip.address
\ 2090 -R 192.168.1.14 2090
/usr/sbin/ipmasqadm portfw -a -P udp -L firewall's.incoming.ip.address
\ 2091 -R 192.168.1.14 2091
where firewall's.incoming.ip.address is the outside NIC of the firewall
and 192.168.1.14 is the IP of my WIN2K workstation.
/usr/sbin/ipmasqadm portfw -ln reports:
prot localaddr rediraddr lport rport pcnt pref
UDP firewall ip 192.168.1.14 2091 2091 10 10
UDP firewall ip 192.168.1.14 2090 2090 10 10
TCP firewall ip 192.168.1.14 2091 2091 10 10
TCP firewall ip 192.168.1.14 2090 2090 10 10
I've successfully used DIALPAD.COM doing autoforwarding using these
rules which work fine:
/usr/sbin/ipmasqadm autofw -A -v -u -r udp 51200 51201 -c tcp 7175
/usr/sbin/ipmasqadm autofw -A -v -u -r tcp 51210 51210 -c tcp 7175
Anyone got any ideas why GO2CALL.COM won't work? I'd really
appreciated it. Thanks,
-- laetus
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From: David W Lacey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 21:14:22 GMT
Subject: Re: Best Linux distribution for newbie
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about Linux on the intrnet - the true multitasking, fast and stable!=20
After using Windoz since 1985 (started with MS Windows 3.0, stopped at=20
Win95 after 9-10 fixes - heh-heh-heh!)I am very familiar with the=20
frequent up(bug)grades and fixes of MS and their techno anxiety marketin=
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approach. I even tried IBM's OS/2 Warp 3.0 and 4.0 to attempt escape fro=
m=20
the MS tried and failed OS. So, Linux seemed viable as my next=20
alternative OS.
I then started with RH 5.0. Many books later and several free distros=20
that came with the books, I stumbled onto Mandrake. The hype seemed=20
typical of the then exploding popularity and zealous talk about Linux,=20
but what the heck. I had a hard drive already set up with RH 5.0 on it, =
and for $29.00 at Best Buy I bought the Mandrake 7.0 Complete version.
WOW! Was I surprise! Installation was very easy, all my hardware was=20
recognized and to this day I am still amazed at how much faster and=20
stable it is over Windoz! I've posted several messages about the=20
seemingly unused swap drive on my PC because of mdk's very exellent use =
of memory, and they must have wrote the book on true multitasking. The=20
more apps I load up, the longer the uptime (no re-boots required anymore=
=20
during app installs) the faster it seems to go!?!
RH, well, I'll take Mandrake any day. Suse? Same asnwer. I've tried RH=20
through version 6.0 and Suse through 6.1 - no comparison for ease of=20
install or use.
Hope this may help. Having been a long time MS Windows user I did find=20
the transition difficult, but Mandrake made it much easier.
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regarding Best Linux distribution for newbie:
> Hello to all!!! I'm looking to make a career change into computers (I=
> hope!!) and in addition trying to teach myself HTML and Visual Basic 6=
,
> I've been looking into Linux so I can really learn about what an=20
operating
> system is all about and take a break from Windows. I was wondering wh=
ich
> would be the best Linux distribution for someone like myself who is
> looking to use it both as a WIN98 replacement for my desktop needs and=
as
> a way to really learn about an operating system? Any help would be
> greatly appreciated. I'm presently reading "Running Linux" but after =
a
> few chapters realized it's time to "do" as I'm reading. I've also=20
ordered
> a beginning Unix book figuring it might fill in some gaps. Thanks in
> advance. BTW, I'm familiar with computers as an enduser, but not real=
ly
> versed in the real "nitty-gritty" of software and hardware. However I=
'm
> very eager to learn as much as I can. Computers have always been
> interesting to me, but I've never really gotten into the workings "und=
er
> the hood" and I'd really like to now. Thanks in advance. ERH
> --
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I
thought perhaps my experience would be helpful.
Back in 1999 (Feb I think) I got all excited about the things being
said about Linux on the intrnet - the true multitasking, fast and
stable! After using Windoz since 1985 (started with MS Windows 3.0,
stopped at Win95 after 9-10 fixes - heh-heh-heh!)I am very familiar
with the frequent up(bug)grades and fixes of MS and their techno
anxiety marketing approach. I even tried IBM's OS/2 Warp 3.0 and 4.0 to
attempt escape from the MS tried and failed OS. So, Linux seemed viable
as my next alternative OS.
I then started with RH 5.0. Many books later and several free distros
that came with the books, I stumbled onto Mandrake. The hype seemed
typical of the then exploding popularity and zealous talk about Linux,
but what the heck. I had a hard drive already set up with RH 5.0 on it,
and for $29.00 at Best Buy I bought the Mandrake 7.0 Complete version.
WOW! Was I surprise! Installation was very easy, all my hardware was
recognized and to this day I am still amazed at how much faster and
stable it is over Windoz! I've posted several messages about the
seemingly unused swap drive on my PC because of mdk's very exellent use
of memory, and they must have wrote the book on true multitasking. The
more apps I load up, the longer the uptime (no re-boots required
anymore during app installs) the faster it seems to go!?!
RH, well, I'll take Mandrake any day. Suse? Same asnwer. I've tried RH
through version 6.0 and Suse through 6.1 - no comparison for ease of
install or use.
Hope this may help. Having been a long time MS Windows user I did find
the transition difficult, but Mandrake made it much easier.
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On 7/22/00, 7:30:19 AM, Edward R Hartung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote=
regarding Best Linux distribution for newbie:
> Hello to all!!! I'm looking to make a career change into computers=
(I
> hope!!) and in addition trying to teach myself HTML and Visual Basi=
c
6,
> I've been looking into Linux so I can really learn about what an
operating
> system is all about and take a break from Windows. I was wondering=
which
> would be the best Linux distribution for someone like myself who is=
> looking to use it both as a WIN98 replacement for my desktop needs
and as
> a way to really learn about an operating system? Any help would be=
> greatly appreciated. I'm presently reading "Running Linux&quo=
t; but after
a
> few chapters realized it's time to "do" as I'm reading. =
I've also
ordered
> a beginning Unix book figuring it might fill in some gaps. Thanks =
in
> advance. BTW, I'm familiar with computers as an enduser, but not
really
> versed in the real "nitty-gritty" of software and hardwar=
e. However
I'm
> very eager to learn as much as I can. Computers have always been
> interesting to me, but I've never really gotten into the workings
"under
> the hood" and I'd really like to now. Thanks in advance. ERH=
> --
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From: Dave Slusher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.portable,linux.help
Subject: Re: Compaq Armada 1700 and built in modem
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 13:29:02 -0700
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Hans Vredeveld
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > How do I have to proceed to use the internal modem of a Compaq Armada
> > 1700 (6300/T/5000/D/0/2) model with SuSE-Linux 6.4 ?
>
> Correct me if I'm wrong, but is the Armada a notebook? If so, you may
> quiet safely assume the internal modem is a Winmodem (also known as
> software modem), which means it will not work with Linux.
>
> Hans
No you cannot. I have an Armada 1590DMT with RedHat 6.1 running on it
(with no Windows installed whatsoever). I have no idea what the modem
is, but the first time I tried to use it, it worked. I've never really
pursued the mystery of what modem it is, but it is either a hardware
modem or somehow magically works. I dial up with it regularly.
What is your source for this broad and incorrect generalization?
d
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dirk Reckmann)
Subject: Re: just wondering..
Date: 23 Jul 2000 21:31:09 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
>> Or you have only installed the Kernel header files. (Forget it, if you
>> built your own kernel, you have of course installed the sources... :-)
>>
>> Last try: My kernel is 2.2.9-2, is yours pre-1.3 ??? :-))
>
> 2.2.16 But as I said it is a custom built kernel, stripped down to only
>what my system needs. After being compiled there is a lot of the code
>that can be removed from the system. About the only thing left on my
>system is .h files for the kernel.
OK, i've counted the original source tree, without removing unneeded
files.
>You do know about the bug in all kernels prior to 2.2.16 don't you?
Errm, no... what is it? Very serious???
Ciao,
Dirk
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Victor Wagner)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.powerpc,comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: Re: split
Date: 22 Jul 2000 10:33:31 +0400
In comp.os.linux.misc viv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Does anyone have the source code for the split utility which splits a
: file into chunks which can be concatenated later.
You have.
split is part of textutils package. Mount your source CD and get
textutils source package.
If you haven't got a source CD, you've got a wrong distribution.
In this case, go to www.gnu.org and get textutils package from there.
And next time you are about to buy Linux on CD, beware.
: Thanks,
: Viv
--
The state of some commercial Un*x is more unsecure than any Linux box
without a root password...
-- Bernd Eckenfels
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Subject: Re: Linux & free ISPs
From: Richard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 14:48:24 -0700
Okay, I set up a FreeAtLast account using windows, but I have
not been able to figure out how to set up KPPP or gnome-ppp to
use it in Linux. The problem I have is that they use two
userID/passwords -- one is a dialup ID/password (that they
assign) and the second is a user account ID/password (that you
choose). I have tried using the dialup ID/password for
authentication and then sending the second user ID/password via
script after connecting, but haven't been able to get that to
work. I get a connection but it immediately disconnects. Anyone
know how to set this up, or how to go about figuring it out?
Dick
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh) wrote:
>In <UF0e5.779$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Robert Barry"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>>Freeatlast.com website says you must use IE to connect to
their service. I
>>think it has to do with directing you to their homepage /
portal
>
>No, they say you must use IE to set yourself up. After that you
can use
>Netscape they say. So the problem for a linux user would be to
set
>yourself up. I tried but they refused to recognize me (maybe
because
>they have no service in Canada, or maybe because I do not have
IE).
>So I would suspect that youcould use IE to get yourself and
account, and
>then use Linux thereafter.
>
>
>
>
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Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 12:29:33 +0200
From: Reinhard Karcher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: StarOffice doesn|t show vfat partition
Karel Jansens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Like it says basically: StarOffice 5.1 doesn't recognize my vfat
>partition.
>The /etc/fstab line says: /dev/hda2 /mnt/DOS_hda2 vfat
>user,exec,conv=auto 0 0
Change your mountpoint to /mnt/dos_hda2! Staroffice doesn't see
any files or directories with uppercase letters.
Reinhard
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From: "Andy Judge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Dualboot - Windows 2000 and Redhat 6.2
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 18:12:25 -0000
Shane,
I did this on Mandrake and it worked. Red Hat is almost the same.
Create a small partition at the beginning of the disk then make your Linux
partitions after the dos partition. Load windows on the dos partition.
make sure windows works. load Linux on the efs2 partitions and the /boot on
the small partition up front. That will place LILO / GRUB at the beginning
and not the MBR. make the small partition active and try. It will also
help if you have a large disk since it may get picky about the 1024 cylinder
limit.
"Shane R. Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:yaKd5.27720$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> So far I have done the following -
>
> Created boot file using (sda5 = /root):
> # dd if=/dev/sda5 of=/bootsect.lnx bs=512 count=1
>
>
> Copied "bootsect.lnx" from Linux partition to boot drive ( C:/ ).
>
> Modified "boot.ini" to include:
> c:/bootsect.lnx="Linux"
>
> When I select "Linux" at bootup I get a black screen with a blinking
> cursur.
>
> Any ideas??
>
> Thanks,
>
> Shane
>
>
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From: "Andy Judge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Best Linux distribution for newbie
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 18:15:58 -0000
Try Mandrake. I think it is easier than RH, but that's just me. It is a RH
knock off and has a few added features that consolidate utilities.
"Edward R Hartung" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Hello to all!!! I'm looking to make a career change into computers (I
> hope!!) and in addition trying to teach myself HTML and Visual Basic 6,
> I've been looking into Linux so I can really learn about what an operating
> system is all about and take a break from Windows. I was wondering which
> would be the best Linux distribution for someone like myself who is
> looking to use it both as a WIN98 replacement for my desktop needs and as
> a way to really learn about an operating system? Any help would be
> greatly appreciated. I'm presently reading "Running Linux" but after a
> few chapters realized it's time to "do" as I'm reading. I've also ordered
> a beginning Unix book figuring it might fill in some gaps. Thanks in
> advance. BTW, I'm familiar with computers as an enduser, but not really
> versed in the real "nitty-gritty" of software and hardware. However I'm
> very eager to learn as much as I can. Computers have always been
> interesting to me, but I've never really gotten into the workings "under
> the hood" and I'd really like to now. Thanks in advance. ERH
>
> --
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