Linux-Misc Digest #229, Volume #20 Sun, 16 May 99 17:13:09 EDT
Contents:
why cant I built executables ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
AutoInstall is for experts, not beginners!!! ( (Gilles Pelletier))
Re: Registry in Linux ??? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: In defence of UNIX man pages (Floyd Davidson)
Re: How can I back *everything* up? (Rod Roark)
Re: FTP with Resume feature? (Ed Hurst)
Re: sticky shift keys in linux ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Virtual Desktop in X386 (ay-soterr)
Re: LILO docs available in PDF, Re: LS-120 ("RBasham")
Re: Registry in Linux ??? (Mark Forsyth)
Re: 'Find'. what a strange command (Mark Forsyth)
Re: Network: Can I use Crossover Cable Instead of a Hub? (brian moore)
glibc2 netscape 4.6 undefined symbols ("John M. Flinchbaugh")
OMNIS Studio RAD Tool available on Linux soon....... ("Richard D")
Re: KPPP and lock up problems. (blankreg)
reinstalling rpms ("Nevyn")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: why cant I built executables
Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 19:52:38 GMT
I have installed gcc, and I am trying to build some binaries, but when I
run the ./configure script I get:
[root@localhost wine-990508]# ./configure
loading cache ./config.cache
checking whether make sets ${MAKE}... yes
checking for gcc... gcc
checking whether the C compiler (gcc ) works... no
configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C compiler
cannot create executables.
[root@localhost wine-990508]#
I am using RH5.2. I have installed the following packages:
gcc-2.7.2.3-14
make-3.76.1-5
bison-1.25-5
flex-2.5.4a-4
egcs-1.0.3a-14
egcs-c++-1.0.3a-14
libtool-1.2b-1
xpm-devel-3.4j-3
pmake-1.0-10
wmakerconf-1.1.1-3
automake-1.3-2
autoconf-2.12-6
linuxconf-devel-1.12r5-6rh
gimp-libgimp-1.0.1-2
gimp-1.0.1-2
xv-3.10a-13
xzip-180-1
howto-5.2-2
libstdc++-devel-2.8.0-14
(Not all of them are attempts to get the build to work :).
Please mail & Post if you have a hint for me.
//jon
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ( (Gilles Pelletier))
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: AutoInstall is for experts, not beginners!!!
Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 20:23:14 GMT
I installed Gnome 6.1 last weekend. Everything went well until the
menu driven installation refused to install the server (driver?) for
my Mach32 video card. I then had to go to the prompt.
What a nightmare to work at the prompt when you don't know even know
about mounting! The book, with its very brief explanation of "mount"
and "umount" was no help. I had to call a friend.
So, I figured out that a beginner would be much better of building his
system manually. You know, mkdir /dev, /mnt, /cdrom, whatever...
Once the kernel is installed, Emacs could be opened with instructions
in a top window and the prompt or the file to edit at the bottom.
Instructions could be formatted in HTML so that if you were installing
a second IDE drive from a CD, you wouldn't have to find your way
through SCSI installation from ftp. You'd read just what you need.
And IMHO, the HOWTO are a pain in... the red neck. All I need for
information is, e.g. "mtab means mounted tab. Here appears the list
of mounted devices". That's clear enough to me for the time being.
The configuration files seem pretty easy to edit as there are tags
just as in HTML files, kind of �PutTheHorizontalFrequencyHere=""�
So what's the difference between entering the frequency of a monitor
in a text file or in a graphic interface, mainly if you're given the
right instructions?
Had Suse's automatic installation worked neetly, I would still feel
it's not the way to go. Sooner or later, you have to look under the
hood and if you have no practical knowledge of your system, you're in
for a rough time reading books.
Autoinstalling Linux is like putting a nice body around a Ferrari's
mechanics and giving the keys to John Doe saying "You just press the
gas pedal and it moves forward."
Whereas an expert might save time using autoinstall, it's most
certainly a waste of time for a beginner. If there's a distribution
like the one I'm describing here, please advise me.
Gilles Pelletier
--
Rencontrez N�fertiti, Einstein, Tocqueville, etc.
�La Masse Critique�: http://users.mmic.net/gillesp
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Registry in Linux ???
Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 20:33:26 GMT
In article <7hmra5$49q$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Thomas Scholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Ok, let me try to explain what I'm looking for.
>Let's put aside Unix/Linux, Windows and any other os.
>
>Let's look at an os as an object that provides basic
>functionality (file system, user-hw interface) and a
>platform for objects with more "advanced" functionality
>(maybe editors, CAD, StarOffice, ...).
>Administration of these "advanced" objects is currently
>the task of the sysadmin. He can do a good job or not.
>So why not using the os to administrate these objects?
>Obviously there is a need for this (Packet Manager,
>Installer/Uninstaller, Cleaner).
...<snip>...
Hmmm, I think I understand most of what you're saying. I'm not
an authority of the unix philosophy but my impression is that the kernel
(which I'm equating to the os here) should be rather minimal and things
like a registry added on as a 'layer'. That to me is the unix way.
Also, I think it's doable. You could probably configure a system
where only root or special groups had access to everything, and users only
to their own file systems, and create tools to act as a registry, if not
rpm then an enhanced rpm. With any system you'd want some human to be able
to override the decisions I would think, so you're back to having an
administrator who just has a powerful tool to keep track of the system and the
self-discipline to abide by it. And users can still do compile-link-execute
of programs in their home directories without worrying about any registry.
Does this make sense or have I missed your point or am I just too
incredibly naive?
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adaptation of a sig from Cato the Elder regarding the city of Carthage.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Floyd Davidson)
Subject: Re: In defence of UNIX man pages
Date: 16 May 1999 19:18:53 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ed Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Matt and others,
> Here's my perspective: I'm a computer hobbyist, with some three years
>playing with Microsoft, and three months using Linux. My knowledge is spotty,
>and I love reading well written books on computer topics. I'm also a certified
>school teacher, and my greatest asset is not what I know about the subject
>matter, but my ability to remember not knowing the subject matter. Thus, I
>translate my vast knowledge of the subject (I had a 4.0 average) to those
>without a clue. Further, I must accurately judge just how much they are able
>to absorb, and what would be most useful to them.
> Sometimes the man pages I read are helpful. Roughly half of the ones I've
>tried are not. A couple were excellent. The FAQs and HOWTOs tend to be better,
>but often assume too much. Some of the hard to find Linux books are great, a
>couple are useless. If you can't tell the difference when you recommend them,
>you've helped no one.
> If the elites on this newsgroup intend to entertain themselves at the
>expense of newbies (slashing, snobby comments), that is their right. Nobody
>owns this newsgroup. But don't expect us true seekers to respect you. You
>might know Linux, but you don't know people. Most of you are quite gracious,
>and I'm impressed. A few of you are lucky you're out of bullet range.
> Please learn to discern the difference between honest ignorance and gross
>stupidity.
>
>Ed
Ed you clearly do not understand that man pages are not tutorials, they are
not a FAQ nor a HOWTO in any sense of those terms. They *are* technical
reference manuals. In that light they *must* list every nitpicking detail
about a program, but need not necessarily describe when or how to actually
use the program. (Reread that last phrase carefully.)
Now, do we attribute your lack of understanding the basics of tech manuals
to honest ignorance or gross stupidity? (The answer is that we don't care,
it makes no difference, because the results are the same either way.)
Floyd
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From: Rod Roark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How can I back *everything* up?
Date: 14 May 1999 21:23:07 GMT
marco tephlant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>As a real beginner I frequently mess up my whole linux installation,
>whats getting to me is having to redo everything when I reinstall, ppp
>settings, etc..
>For windows I used tar to make a bzipped "image" of my C drive, so when I
>want to reinstall I delete everything on C and untar from within linux,
>it takes less than ten minutes and I dont have to go hunting round for
>Cd's with drivers on, dont have to renter email settings and lilo remains
>intact aswell! Is there anyway I can do this in linux? I can't think of
>anyway of backing everything up and don't know what specific bits should
>be backed up. Recently I have been mucking up my system trying to
>install the latest version of Gnome and Enlightenment - who says RPM's
>are easy?!?
>Any suggestions?
What I did is put in an extra drive just for backups, and allocated a
partition on it for a "rescue" installation of Linux, as well as a "work"
partition to hold the backed-up data. Then at backup time I can boot up
the rescue partition so I'm not backing up from a live filesystem, and I
also have a good way to recover if either hard drive crashes. The same
drive also backs up other machines via NFS and Samba.
Also with hdparm you can get the extra drive to spin down after some
period of inactivity, so for your normal work there's no extra noise
or power consumption.
-- Rod
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http://www.sunsetsystems.com/ and Custom Software
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From: Ed Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: FTP with Resume feature?
Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 15:26:40 -0500
Rob,
I like ncftp. I know that it's smarter than I am, and automates some
really good features, like remembering where you left off, even if you
stop the download manually yourself.
Ed
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: sticky shift keys in linux
Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 19:46:36 GMT
Maybe this reply would be a sufficient answer for an expert like you;
for a newbie like me it just repeats the question. I am already aware
that it can be done, and that it would probably be done with XKB
extensions or such. But I remember the HOWTO's had only vage
instructions how to write a script. Is it too much to ask for a
ready-to-run script? Surely I am not the first person to want sticky
keys under Linux.
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
John Moran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Look for the LINUX Access HOWTO, Keyboard HOWTO, and the XKB
extensions
> to the X server.
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
<7h9hc3$4l4$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> > > How do I make the Shift-keys (and preferably Control, Alt) sticky,
as
> > >you can under Windows NT? Sticky means that pressing Shift,
releasing it
> > >and pressing "a" gives you "A", etc.
> > >
> > >This should work under X (maybe on console too, but I don't care so
> > >much), at least under KDE.
> > >
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From: ay-soterr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Virtual Desktop in X386
Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 20:29:54 GMT
Howdy..
Alright.. here's the deal :: I'm running RedHat 5.1 on a Fujitsu
lifebook series notebook.. I've gotten all the X configurations to run X
windows, but when I run it, it requires a virtual desktop which has
twice as big a pixel setting as my screen -- so the screen mode is set
at 800 X 600 and the virtual desktop must be at 1600 X 1200.. So not
only do I get four virtual desktop screens, but each one takes four
screens worth to scroll around to the next one. I would ideally like to
reduce this to 800 X 600 so that each virtual desktop fits in my screen,
but I've been having problems doing that. When I go into XF86Config and
change the Virtual setting of the screen to 800 X 600 rather than 1600 X
1200, X windows loads but everything is blacked out except the icons --
it's really weird. Because the icons are still active, I can tell that
the desktop is shrunk to the size of my screen, it's just that I can't
do anything because I can't differentiate between different windows and
such.. If anyone understands the problem I'm having, I would greatly
appreciate a hand.. Thanks!
Matty U!
--
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Electrical Engineering
Cooper Union For the Advancement
Of Science and Art
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From: "RBasham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: LILO docs available in PDF, Re: LS-120
Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 15:49:18 -0000
Reply-To: "RBasham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
: >Right. But if I cd to the LS120 /etc and edit the file to make the
: >changes, then
: >LILO -C /ls120/etc/lilo.conf
: > complains that it can't find the image and/or the initrd files.
:
: Post the output of fdisk -l while /ls120 is mounted, and the
: contents of /ls120/etc/lilo.conf
: You could be immortalized in the long-awaited next rev of
: LILO mini-HOWTO.
: After we debug it.
Okay, next attempt at playing with it.
Meantime, genned a mega-kernel with no ramdisk, no modules as a bzImage and got
it to boot with a syslinux setup on the LS120. Still not what I'm after but at
least it resembles a rescue disk and it does boot!
: Go to http://judi.greens.org/lilo/ and click on "well-documented."
: I have converted the Technical Overview, the User Guide,
: and the manpages to Portable Document Format using ps2pdf,
: a Ghostscript wrapper.
: Acroread-4.0 Beta can read them. The xpdf shipped with Debian-2.1 can't.
:
: Cameron
Thanks! That one got bookmarked immediately. The non-beta Acroread-4.0 is
available in a contrib someplace in rpm format. I have it installed but can't
recall from whence it came.
rexb.
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From: Mark Forsyth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Registry in Linux ???
Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 12:08:00 +1000
Thomas Scholz wrote:
>
> These packet managers are exactely what I ment with being just put on top of
> the os. As you said these managers (or comparable sw) don't recognize the
> stuff you put on the system, let's say manually, nor the stuff other apps
> might put on the system. So the data these managers are maintaining is
> "corrupt", not complete. The concept is wrong.
Hmmm. Not really. If you, for example, install just a stark staring
naked
operating system followed by a package manager of some sort and then
installed
EVERYTHING else via the package manager then the concept is correct. But
then
not may of us do that. We usually end up with a hybrid of managed and
unmanaged
stuff installed all over the place. The only effective management tool
in the real
world is the, soon to be legendry, system admins. little black
book[1]...:)
>
> Solution would be a database (integrated into the os, no user manipulation)
> that recognizes everything(!!!) that goes in and out of the system. This
> would provide
> system integrity.
>
> Ok, question is, if something like this is desirable.
>
> >>So there is nothing that keeps track of the applications installed
> >>on the system, regarding location, configuration, ... things like that.
> >>Everything else (e.g. finders) is put on top of the os. There are also
> >>no obligatory(!) conventions, that cannot be overcome.
> >>
> >>Please correct me if I'm wrong.
> >
> >You're wrong... Package managers keep track of where packages are
> installed.
> >They know where the files are. It just doesn't know about stuff that you
> put
> >in yourself. And there is a standard on where to put what... people just
> >don't follow it..=P
> >
[1] little black book. System admins should keep at least two little
black books.
An IP address register and a configuration register. If you have more
than one system
you have more than one config. register. ie. One per system.
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From: Mark Forsyth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 'Find'. what a strange command
Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 12:13:36 +1000
Bill Unruh wrote:
>
> In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mark Forsyth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> >Or even find / | grep -i netscape
>
> Uuurgle.
> Use the locate command.
> locate netscape.
> This does a grep on a find database which is updated daily in
> /etc/cron.daily
Ah yes but that had already been mentioned. The dreaded find / grep
combo hadn't. Surprised me that it wasn't. Of course WHY you would
use it escapes me completely...:)
Mark F...
>
> Otherwise
> find / -name \*netscape\* -ls
> to find all files with names with netscape in the name. the * must be
> escaped or your shell will try to interpret it rather than find. That is
> why the \* rather than *
> (find start-directories whattofind)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Network: Can I use Crossover Cable Instead of a Hub?
Date: 16 May 1999 21:03:35 GMT
On Sun, 16 May 1999 16:58:23 -0400,
jhull <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> Here is the question: Can I use crossover cable instead of a Hub?
Yes.
> If I don't have to use a hub, then could someone please tell me what I
> could have done wrong?
>
> I am trying to set up a local network connecting two PCs, one running NT
> server, and the other running Linux RH 5.2/Windows 98.
>
> Before I started to configure the NT-Linux network, I succefully
> configured the NT-Windows98 network using a crossover cable (without
> using a hub).
Trivial to do.
> Then I ran netcfg to configure my network on the Linux box. I
> configured two interfaces, i.e., lo-->127.0.0.1 and
> eth0-->200.50.50.49. It seemed to be OK, until I ran ifconfig which
> only reported my local loopback, but did not recongnize my network card.
Did you install the network card's drivers (either by making a new
kernel or loading the module for it)?
Having the hardware plugged in is only half of it: if you don't tell
Linux you want to -use- the hardware, it will gladly ignore it.
--
Brian Moore | "The Zen nature of a spammer resembles
Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | a cockroach, except that the cockroach
Usenet Vandal | is higher up on the evolutionary chain."
Netscum, Bane of Elves. Peter Olson, Delphi Postmaster
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From: "John M. Flinchbaugh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: glibc2 netscape 4.6 undefined symbols
Date: 16 May 1999 20:59:17 GMT
upon attempting to run netscape 4.51 or 4.6, i get the following
error:
netscape: error in loading shared libraries: netscape: undefined
symbol: __eh_pc
this is a glibc2.1 machine (debian 1.3 upgraded by hand).
how can i remedy this problem? everything else seem to work just
fine on this machine, so i'm led to believe everything is installed
properly..
thanks.
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From: "Richard D" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.m68k,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.portable,comp.os.linux.powerpc,comp.os.linux.security,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os
Subject: OMNIS Studio RAD Tool available on Linux soon.......
Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 21:13:48 +0100
Please see the following link to read our latest press release regarding the
forthcoming launch of OMNIS Studio on the LINUX operating system platform.
http://www.omnis-software.com/whatsnew/press/linux.html
The beta version will be available from July 1999, with full release in
September this year.
We believe we have a real first here, as OMNIS Studio represents a true
4GL Rapid application development system that is binary compatible with
both Windows and Macintosh machines, and soon LINUX.
This means that developers are totally free to choose their preferred
development platform, and then deploy applications without alteration in
all of the above environments.
If you require any more information about OMNIS Studio, or would like to
know about some of the many commercial applications written in OMNIS
that will soon be available for the LINUX environment please don't
hesitate to contact me.
Kind Regards,
Richard Darsa
OMNIS Software Ltd.
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From: blankreg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,apana.lists.os.linux.redhat,comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.install
Subject: Re: KPPP and lock up problems.
Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 15:47:01 -0500
brian moore wrote:
> On Sun, 9 May 1999 16:13:34 -0600,
> Otik787 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > In article <9CCC0B5CBA2A9736.349555825138D381.C5F29B59223C7C0F@library-
> > proxy.airnews.net>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> > > I just upgraded to RedHat 6.0, and tried to run KPPP, well it works, after it
>connects nothing else runs. I can?t start a File Manager window, Netscape, or
>anything.
> > >
> > > What is wrong?
> > >
> > > Is there another PPP program can use besides KPPP?
> > >
> >
> > I also have this problem, the only way I've found to get by it is to
> > start all the programs I'm going to use before I dial out. Very odd.
>
> Try editing /etc/hosts and assign your system a proper name (instead of
> 'localhost.localdomain').
>
> It sounds like the dialup scripts are renaming your system for you,
> which breaks X.
>
> --
> Brian Moore | "The Zen nature of a spammer resembles
> Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | a cockroach, except that the cockroach
> Usenet Vandal | is higher up on the evolutionary chain."
> Netscum, Bane of Elves. Peter Olson, Delphi Postmaster
Can I assign anyname to my system instead of localhost.localdomain???
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From: "Nevyn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: reinstalling rpms
Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 22:06:23 +0100
can anyone help i've killed most of my system....i seem to have accidently
wrecked a few libraries hat gnome needs and i need to uninstall and
reinstall them to be able to install gnome properly (this all started
because i managed to install half of gnome an not notice for a while). I'd
look at the man file for the commands but the libraries i've damaged are
needed for that too so i cant...if anyone can tell me the command i'd be
greatful.... Nevyn
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