Linux-Misc Digest #229, Volume #21 Sat, 31 Jul 99 04:13:11 EDT
Contents:
Re: XWin Terminal Emulator (Rod Smith)
Re: What I think of linux. (Ian Smith)
Pressing the windows key will quit my application! (Raymond Li)
Re: Boot sector/SCSI driver viruses and CD AutoRun (was Re: Linux and Viruses - Not
the same old question) (Robert Heller)
Re: Boot sector/SCSI driver viruses and CD AutoRun (was Re: Linux and Viruses - Not
the same old question) (Robert Heller)
Re: CIA assassinations (Matthias Warkus)
svc: bad direction 65536, dropping request (Raymond Li)
Re: Quicktime (Frank Hahn)
Re: Power off on shutdown (BIOS problem?) (Ciprian Toader)
Re: Kernel compile errors (Paul Kimoto)
Re: helping the Third World (Donovan Rebbechi)
PCMCIA setup ("tberd")
Re: X-server Crash (Howard Mann)
Re: brain teaser (Timothy J. Lee)
Re: CIA assassinations (Jerry Lynn Kreps)
Re: What I think of linux. (Arthur)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith)
Subject: Re: XWin Terminal Emulator
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 03:27:56 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Posted and mailed]
In article <7nt4a2$22t$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Hello,
>
> I'm not quite sure if this'd be the right place to post, but I've a
> question. I am planning on adding a linux box to my at home lan and I
> thought it'd be cool to be able to run an X-Windows Terminal Emulator
> from my Windows 98 PC.
>
> Can anyone recommend a Free X-Windows Terminal Emulator for my Windows
> PC?
If you mean an X server for Windows, so that you can run Linux X programs
on the PC, I know of three solutions that might suit you:
1) MiX. This was previously free, but I understand the latest versions
carry a price tag. I wasn't terribly impressed with the versions I
tried, but the latest may be better. Check
http://www.microimages.com/freestuf/mix/ for more information.
2) XWin32. This isn't free (it's $200), but there's a time-limited (2
hours per session) demo available. http://www.starnet.com/
3) VNC. This isn't actually an X server; it uses a different technology,
but it accomplishes similar results.
http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/index.html
--
Rod Smith
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.channel1.com/users/rodsmith
NOTE: Remove the "uce" word from my address to mail me
Author of _Special Edition Using WordPerfect for Linux_, from Que
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From: Ian Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.linux.sux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: What I think of linux.
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 10:46:06 +0000
Christopher Browne wrote:
>
> Are we going to evolve away from traditional religions into the
> worship of The Kirk, The Picard, The Riker, The Emissary, and Seven of
> Nine? (I nearly died laughing when she was added in. I can just
> imagine the meetings at Paramount: "Ratings are *bad.* We're not
> getting enough viewers. Let's take out the ugly chick, and replace
> her with a Borg Babe with Big Breasts." Boy, that's a lot of "B's."
> That casting change made a pretty clear statement about what they
> consider to be the target demographics...)
I started off calling her "seven of eleven". It's a habit now [g].
> Are we headed to "Star Trek economics"? That would be defined as a
> fantasy world where they pretend that human nature will change in the
> area of economics, eliminating the notion of "greed," whilst
> simultaneously pretending that human nature has not changed in all
> other areas.
They just farm them off one-by-one onto other species eg. Ferengi.
Allows cultural stereotyping way beyond what would be acceptable in
human characters.
> >My redneck friends at work in 1992 used to laugh at me when I would
> >tell them about the future and the fact that they would own a
> >computer one day. Some were violent about it.
Damn Klingons (or is that Jem H'dar?). The latter I think, very little
honour involved.
--
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Ian Smith Linux Help: alt.os.linux
uk.comp.os.linux
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Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 13:31:25 +0800
From: Raymond Li <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Pressing the windows key will quit my application!
Hello,
I found that in my Red Hat 6.0 (with Chinese Language Extension), in
the kde, when I press the windows key, which is between the 'ctrl' and
'alt' key, the current application in focus will be quitted.
How can I disable this 'quitting hot key'?
Thanks in advance!
Yours,
Raymond
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From: Robert Heller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Boot sector/SCSI driver viruses and CD AutoRun (was Re: Linux and Viruses
- Not the same old question)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 03:42:42 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lucius Chiaraviglio),
In a message on Fri, 30 Jul 1999 16:05:17 GMT, wrote :
LC> Robert Heller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
LC> In addition, on other types of media, MacOS needs to load a
LC> SCSI driver (not sure if this applies to IDE hard disks, but wouldn't
LC> be surprised if it does) for the media and drive before it will mount
LC> the media (Microsoft isn't the only company to come out with brain-
LC> dead ideas). I haven't yet heard of a virus being written to spread
LC> this way, but I have read about system crashes/lockups due to
LC> insertion of removable media containing a driver incompatible with
LC> another such driver already running on the system. (I read about this
LC> a few years ago in a MacWorld or MacUser review about removable media
LC> disks, when SyQuest 88 Mbyte cartridges and drives were fairly new --
LC> some OEM drives based upon this "standard" were egregious offenders.
LC> I have also had MacOS users tell me of similar crashes occurring when
LC> connecting a Mac to hard disks with incompatible SCSI drivers.)
LC>
LC> To get this back to Linux, what does LinuxPPC do with Mac
LC> media and SCSI drivers? Ignore them? (Never could figure out why
LC> MacOS needed these excrescences anyway.) Or does it have to run them
LC> in order to be able to make use of the media, like MacOS does? (Any
LC> operating system which uses this "feature" is going to be subject to
LC> the same bugs and potential viruses that MacOS is.) I could
LC> understand having to use the one on the boot media if it also
LC> functions analogously to a PC MBR (not sure if it does), but having to
LC> use another one for each media (especially removable media) is a
LC> sure security hole (and demonstrated bug incubator).
LC>
LC> (Maybe I should be posting this to the LinuxPPC newsgroup, but
LC> I didn't even figure out that I should be reading that newsgroup until
LC> I am in the middle of a vacation and away from access to my new news
LC> server, and not about to try to pull my hair out trying to pull
LC> messages or groups from my old one.)
My *guess* about MacOS needing to 'load drivers' from the media
probably stems from a (mis-)feature that MacOS seems to share with
MS-DOS -- the lack of a uniform I/O sub-system. Both MacOS and MS-DOS
use an 'ac hoc' device driver system -- each *device* gets its own
driver and there is no such thing as 'classes' of devices. Eg.
instead of layering the SCSI system into a controller-level driver with
high-level *general device class drivers*, each SCSI device gets its
own driver. LinuxPPC is likely built just like LinuxX86: there are
drivers for SCSI boards (eg an AIC-7xxx driver for Adaptec-ish 2940
type boards), which are loaded by kerneld or at boot time (from a
initrd) -- based on install options (hardware sensing or manual
configuration) and then sd, st, sr, and sg drivers for hard disks
(fixed and removable), tape drives, CD-ROM drives, and generic SCSI
(catch-all for odds and ends, like CDRs CDRWs, scanners, etc., that use
user-mode "drivers" via generic SCSI interface commands). Under Linux,
Zip, Jaz, Syquest, and ANY other 'disks' (removable or not) are just
disks and use the high-level sd driver over the driver for the
interface board. At boot time, the kernel maps a sdL to a controller #
(scsi0, scsi1, ...) and SCSI id (0-7 / 0-15) -- the controller #
(scsi0, scsi1, ...) maps to the board-level driver (in case you have
multiple *different* SCSI cards). ALL proper SCSI devices respond in a
standardized way to a SCSI Enq command -- the result buffer contains
bit fields for device class: disk, tape, CD-ROM, other, a manufacturer /
vender, model number, and other random device information: disk size,
preferred sector size, tape densities, etc.
I think MacOS does issue an Enq command (MS-DOS probably also does), but
probably does not use the results in the same way as Linux does. MacOS
and MS-DOS probably use the vendor and model strings to find a driver
based on vendor and model, which is really dumb, since this information
is really not meant for this. Linux does not use the vendor and model
info for anything but for documentaional purposes (except for some
*older* devices with broken firmware which mis-report flag bits or just
don't behave as they ought to). Linux 'clasifies' all SCSI devices into
one of the supported classes. MacOS and MS-DOS treat *each* model as a
class unto itself, even if this means loading multiple drivers that are
logically identical ie. a *different* driver for Seagate SCSI-II disks
from the driver for IBM SCSI-II disks, even though both disks could
share a generic (high-level) SCSI-II disk driver -- Linux would use the
generic sd (SCSI disk) driver for both disks, since both disks are
'SCSI-II' disks and respond to standard SCSI-II disk commands in an
identical way.
--
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Robert Heller ||InterNet: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://vis-www.cs.umass.edu/~heller || [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.deepsoft.com /\FidoNet: 1:321/153
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From: Robert Heller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Boot sector/SCSI driver viruses and CD AutoRun (was Re: Linux and Viruses
- Not the same old question)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 03:42:41 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lucius Chiaraviglio),
In a message on Fri, 30 Jul 1999 16:05:17 GMT, wrote :
LC>
LC> > Presumably, the operator knows what he or she is doing at
LC> >that point (we hope) -- eg a virus scan of some sort has been run
LC> >(Norten, et. al. for MS-* and MacOS, a good eyeballing under Linux/UNIX).
LC>
LC> Er . . . Excuse me. My most humble apologies in advance, but
LC> I can't read binary very well. How am I supposed to give boot sector
LC> code (let alone any larger binary) "a good eyeballing" reliably?
The "a good eyeballing" referred to *source code* typically available for
Linux and UNIX. If *you* can't follow the C, C++, Pascal, etc., you
have the option of finding a *trusted* programmer to do it for you.
--
\/
Robert Heller ||InterNet: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://vis-www.cs.umass.edu/~heller || [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.deepsoft.com /\FidoNet: 1:321/153
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 00:45:01 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the 30 Jul 1999 22:38:12 +0100...
..and Phillip Lord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Matthias> Ah, and yes, the Bastille was never stormed. It
> Matthias> capitulated after firing a single shot and was then torn
> Matthias> down by paid demolition workers.
>
> This is probably true. Much like the storming of the winter
> palace. It doesnt change the fact that a revolution had happened. The
> bastille is just a "photogenic" reminder of it.
The real revolution happened in the Ball House rather than in front of
the Bastille.
mawa
--
We wanted leaders, but we got stooges.
-- Kanji Ram, leader of the untouchable's political revolt in India.
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Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 13:28:58 +0800
From: Raymond Li <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: svc: bad direction 65536, dropping request
Hello,
After upgrading my kernel, I got the message as in the title, what
does that mean?
Thanks in advance for your help!
Yours,
Raymond
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Frank Hahn)
Subject: Re: Quicktime
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 02:53:15 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 30 Jul 1999 01:42:08 -0700, Noah Roberts (jik-) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dave Brown) writes:
>
>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Robert Grimm wrote:
>> >Is there a Quicktime compatible program for Linux? Oh! Right! Apple
>> >holds their tech close so nobody can copy it. They have to right one.
>> >Does anybody know an email address that I (and everyone else) could send
>> >a request for the Linux version to?
>>
>> Those folks can't even get a Win version to install, so I wouldn't
>> lose any sleep over worrying about a Linux version.
>>
>> They use a web-based installer which apparently fails to install,
>> after about 30 minutes of downloading. They have a forum which
>> is full of complaints about it, and they're still trying to figure
>> it out.
>
>The new version can't even play QuickTime movies either...the video
>keeps stopping for long periods of time.
>
If you want a program that plays quicktime movies, just do a
search for the program xanim. It will play several different
types of movie files.
--
Frank Hahn
One nice thing about egotists: they don't talk about other people.
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From: Ciprian Toader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Power off on shutdown (BIOS problem?)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 17:58:36 +1200
Regit Young wrote:
>
> What does "command=" for halt in /etc/rc.d/init.d/halt says ?
>
command="halt"
That is OK. I don't think there would be any problems there since my
system is a new installation of RedHat6.
Ciprian
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kimoto)
Subject: Re: Kernel compile errors
Date: 31 Jul 1999 02:00:02 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <7ntnoi$e3s$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I think something is buggy with the hardware.
> gcc: Internal compiler error: program cc1 got fatal signal 4
> gcc: Internal compiler error: program cc1 got fatal signal 4
> gcc: Internal compiler error: program cc1 got fatal signal 4
See http://www.bitwizard.nl/sig11/ for advice.
--
Paul Kimoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: helping the Third World
Date: 31 Jul 1999 02:08:59 -0400
On Fri, 30 Jul 1999 20:37:11 -0700, Bev wrote:
>Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
>Uhh, I just got here, so I must have missed a lot. Is somebody trying
>to collect old linux CDs for distribution in 3rd world countries, or is
>somebody going to STEAL them from us to send there? Seems like more
The socialists have said that they don't want to distribute the linux CDs
to third world countries until the government mandates it. Apparently, they
ware talking about using a "wealth tax" to fund the scheme (-;
cheers
--
Donovan
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From: "tberd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: PCMCIA setup
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 00:53:10 -0500
I have a 3Com 10/100 modem card and have successfully installed the module
for the nic, but I am not sure which /dev/xxx device to use to access the
ether and modem. Do I use eth0, cua0, etc or are there other devices for
pcmcia?
Also, I currently use NT to configure routers. Is there a way to configure
linux to use the serial port as a com port so that I may use it for a
console connection?
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From: Howard Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: X-server Crash
Date: 29 Jul 1999 21:30:32 GMT
Matthew D. Melbert wrote:
>
> Yesterday my X-server crashed and it crashed hard. When I tried to
restart
> the X-server I got the real nice and famous "_X11TransSocketUNIXConnect :
> Can's connect: errno = 111 " Joy.
The messages you see before this line may reveal the nature
of your problem.
You may write the full log to a file ( on "startx" ) for analysis.
Peruse : http://www.xmission.com/~howardm/Xwoes.html
Anyway I rebooted the computer and tried
> to use the "XF86Setup" command and well..nothing happend...just got that
> same message again and again (I tried both options at the start of
XF86Setup
> and they both gave me the same result). I went into Lisa and tried to
> configure it that way to no avail. I also tried MANY MANY MANY times
using
> "xf86config".
What happened when you used "xf86config" to write the XF86Config file ?
Did it write successfully ?
I am sure that my moniter settings were ok and pretty darn
> sure that my card settings were correct (I tried every different
possibility
> there is just about". Is there anything I can do short of reinstalling
> (which I really dont want to do)???? I even removed and reinstalled all
of
> the "X" rpms. I need some HELP.
Do not re-install Linux.
You may want to post the results of "startx" and the _relevant_
portions of your XF86Config file here.
Cheers,
Howard Mann.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Timothy J. Lee)
Subject: Re: brain teaser
Date: 30 Jul 1999 22:02:28 GMT
Reply-To: see-signature-for-email-address---junk-not-welcome
Jeff Trisoliere <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
|What is the most commonly used MS-DOS command? Hint it's still used in
|Windows NT and does not work at the Netware server console. Hint 2: This
|command is also available in Linux, the command does a different
|function in NT as it does in DOS or Linux and this command can be
|disabled in Linux.
ctrl-alt-del?
(gives the login screen on Microsoft Windows NT, reboots MS-DOS,
and behavior in Linux depends on the configuration)
--
========================================================================
Timothy J. Lee timlee@
Unsolicited bulk or commercial email is not welcome. netcom.com
No warranty of any kind is provided with this message.
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From: Jerry Lynn Kreps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 19:40:55 -0500
Richard Kulisz wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, A.T.Z. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Richard Kulisz schreef:
> >> It's been done, over and over and over and over and over at nauseum and
> >> you still remain unenlightened.
> >
> >Where ???? If you did then it might not be clare to everyone. Still think you
> >dan't have a vision other then the Robin Hood kind of doing things.
>
> If you dismiss my vision as "the usual whining" (as you do below) then
> this implies you must have known about it. So why the hell are you
> complaining about a lack of vision? Hey, you may not want democracy
> but plenty of people do.
>
"my vision" ???
A replay of a common socialist hallucination in which they see
themselves as saviors of the "working" class while they battle the
"exploiting" class. If they get power they end up exploiting everyone
as petty dictators. Their views are so "heroic" in their own eyes that
it could be considered a religious faith, replacing the worship of God
with the worship of Man-God. Usually accompanied by Wagner's "Also
Spoke Zarathustra" - Yup, selfless supermen, every one of'm.....
--
JLK
Linux, because it's STABLE, the source code is included, the price is
right.
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From: Arthur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.linux.sux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: What I think of linux.
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 21:50:30 -0700
John Hasler wrote:
> I used an IBM 1620 with Fortran as my "virgin" computer experience.
Sounds like the University of Wisconsin Engineering
Computing Lab to me.
Am I right? Or did someplace else run those dogs too?
Where the hell is Elmwood?
Arthur (UW '73)
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