Linux-Misc Digest #260, Volume #20 Wed, 19 May 99 09:13:09 EDT
Contents:
Re: A simple (reliable) browser (Mihaly Gyulai)
Re: NT the best web platform? (mike)
Re: advice partion etc (Mikkel Rasmussen)
Re: advice partion etc (Mikkel Rasmussen)
Mounting an ISO9660 image. (Nick)
Re: AutoInstall is for experts, not beginners!!! (Richard Corfield)
Re: Partition problems (Edy Kho)
Re: A Capitalists view of freedom (David Kastrup)
FTP Symbolic Links ("Angel")
Re: A Capitalists view of freedom (Kenneth P. Turvey)
Re: creating RH 6.0 CD - Part II ("William B. Cattell")
CD-R panasonic unsupported ? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Q: how to make a bootable CD image (for 'mkhybrid' users) ??
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: [Q] PPP-strange error!! (Ian Briggs)
Pine and files ("NN")
Re: Partition problems ("D. Vrabel")
Re: Partition problems (RoadHawk)
Re: Pro-Unix vs anti-WinTel (was: Re: Is Unix a single user operating system?)
(Stephen E. Halpin)
Re: NT the best web platform? (Benoit Goudreault-Emond)
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From: Mihaly Gyulai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: A simple (reliable) browser
Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 07:18:06 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Aamer Nazir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi,
> Can anyone please recommend a simple and reliable browser(under X) ?
Try AMAYA. It's 3 MB, runs faster than Netscape. You can use it
for editing HTML files, too.
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From: mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: NT the best web platform?
Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 07:44:40 GMT
Erik Jensen wrote:
> Do-Hoon Kwon wrote:
> >
> > \begin{sarcasm}
> > In a country where making/saving money is of the utmost importance,
> > why isn't there a fair comparison like this?
> ^^^^
> > \end{sarcasm}
> >
>
> Here's your problem: there's NOTHING fair about making money...
So this is your problem with A fair comparison?
Mike
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From: Mikkel Rasmussen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: advice partion etc
Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 09:45:56 +0200
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> I would appreciate some suggestions from people
> need some space to try out other linux distributions.
>
> Also can I use wine to run most M$ office stuff if needed?
I would not bet on it, but you may be successfull, I have not!
>
>
> So suggestions on how to partition, and how to boot etc
> would be nice.
Make 5 (or more) partitions
1 Linux root partition about 60 MB
2 Linux swap partition 64MB
3 Linux /usr partition 3GB(Size depends on how much you install)
4 Linux /home partition 1,8GB(Size depende .....)
5 Windows partition 5GB(Size depende .....)
>
>
> My system is:
>
> PIII-450
> 256 Mb ram
> 10 Gb IDE disk
>
> Best regards
> JS
>
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From: Mikkel Rasmussen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: advice partion etc
Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 09:47:38 +0200
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> I would appreciate some suggestions from people
> need some space to try out other linux distributions.
>
> Also can I use wine to run most M$ office stuff if needed?
I would not bet on it, but you may be successfull, I have not!
>
>
> So suggestions on how to partition, and how to boot etc
> would be nice.
Make 5 (or more) partitions
1 Linux root partition about 60 MB
2 Linux swap partition 64MB
3 Linux /usr partition 3GB(Size depends on how much you install)
4 Linux /home partition 1,8GB(Size depende .....)
5 Windows partition 5GB(Size depende .....)
>
>
> My system is:
>
> PIII-450
> 256 Mb ram
> 10 Gb IDE disk
>
> Best regards
> JS
>
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From: Nick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Mounting an ISO9660 image.
Date: 18 May 1999 22:30:57 GMT
Is there a utility to mount an image of this type? or something like
that...
Thanks.
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From: Richard Corfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: AutoInstall is for experts, not beginners!!!
Date: 19 May 1999 08:40:37 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Mark Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Now if I could just stop the help appearing when I don't want it....
>
>dselect is very helpful, isn't it? :-)
Its just a case of developing those lightning reflexes to hit space
(I think it is) not enter when the help pops up.
What it really needs is some way of helping get rid of those libraries
that were installed with something a long time ago and are no longer
needed as you got rid of that something or it changed libraries since.
Either some way of flagging things as auto-installed so they can be
auto-uninstalled when nothing depends on them any more or an interface
that shows whats at the top of the tree and what isn't so any libraries
at the top of the tree can be uninstalled by the user.
Now if only I had the time and no `everything though writes belongs to
us' contract to develop the thing in.
- Richard.
[Stuck on the train again - ho hum more time to catch up on usenet]
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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 20:09:35 +1000
From: Edy Kho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.help,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Partition problems
The fdisk can not recognise the linux partitions....if you want to delete
the Linux partitions you need to run the linux installation again and use
the Disk Druid to delete the linux partitions (both native and swap file)
and then press ok and exit the installation ............. now use fdisk
command to view the partition..............
i'm not sure it' ll work but please try...............:)
"E B+S Prof. Dr. F. F. Branco-Porto Santo" wrote:
> Hi
>
> Here's my problem:
> computer with one 2.6GB hard drive. Linux RH 5.2.
>
> After several attempts trying to fix the ATI card problem to work with
> XWindow, I gave up - but only for now (I wanted to get much more
> information to try it again). For the moment, just using Windows 98
> -which, by the way, was already installed on that machine
>
> The problem is that I wanted (for the moment) to uninstall Linux and
> recover that partition it was on.
> I did fdisk/mbr in order to recover the original partition table. No
> message error.
> When using once again fdisk (DOS/Windows one) to see what partitions
> there where and their size - surprise: The system didn't recongnize any
> other partition (although it reported the correct size of the drive)
> and, worst than that, didn't let me erase the extende DOS partition.
>
> Please, anyone can tell me what to do?
> ALL sugestions are obviously welcome
>
> Thanks JPC
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From: David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: A Capitalists view of freedom
Date: 19 May 1999 12:35:41 +0200
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kenneth P. Turvey) writes:
> On 19 May 1999 00:02:53 +0200, David Kastrup
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [Snip, I'm not even going to comment on the fear aspect.]
>
> >No honest person has a chance to make any use of a weapon he might be
> >carrying if a hoodlum chooses to attack him with a weapon. The
> >hoodlum will not stand there as an open target and start the process
> >by warning the other person. The honest person has no option to shoot
> >potential hoodlums unawares. For that reason, the general easy
> >availability in bearing arms is heavily disparaging honest people.
>
> Statistics don't bear you out.
Unfortunately, they do. Your chance of death by shooting in the
U.S. is about a factor of 5 higher than in comparable countries with
gun control. The school shootings are just an insignificant top of
the iceberg.
> The most successful way to defend against rape is with a handgun.
What percentage of rapes has been avoided by the use of a handgun?
Have any statistics?
> This does increase the risk of accidental shooting, and the risk of
> the `hoodlum' getting the gun (from zero to something finite), but
> the risk of rape drops dramatically.
Where have you got your numbers from? How many rapists will let their
victim fumble with her handbag?
> Just because you believe you have no use for a gun doesn't mean that no
> one has a need for one. I don't need a gun to defend myself either, but
> I am pleased that I have the right to if necessary.
Unfortunately, so has everybody else. And the persons that have the
best "private" use for guns are those you would not want to have guns.
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Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fax: +49-234-709-4209
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From: "Angel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: FTP Symbolic Links
Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 11:17:14 +0200
When you download with FTP a Symbolic Link file, what you are
downloading is the real file.
�How can I download just Link file?
Thank you.
Angel Belda
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kenneth P. Turvey)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: A Capitalists view of freedom
Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 22:34:01 -0500
On 19 May 1999 00:02:53 +0200, David Kastrup
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[Snip, I'm not even going to comment on the fear aspect.]
>No honest person has a chance to make any use of a weapon he might be
>carrying if a hoodlum chooses to attack him with a weapon. The
>hoodlum will not stand there as an open target and start the process
>by warning the other person. The honest person has no option to shoot
>potential hoodlums unawares. For that reason, the general easy
>availability in bearing arms is heavily disparaging honest people.
Statistics don't bear you out. The most successful way to defend
against rape is with a handgun. This does increase the risk of
accidental shooting, and the risk of the `hoodlum' getting the gun (from
zero to something finite), but the risk of rape drops dramatically.
Just because you believe you have no use for a gun doesn't mean that no
one has a need for one. I don't need a gun to defend myself either, but
I am pleased that I have the right to if necessary.
I noticed that you picked your words carefully. I didn't respond to the
assertion directly because it is irrelevant and probably impossible to
prove or disprove.
--
Kenneth P. Turvey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
================= http://www.tranquility.net/~kturvey
The world is full of fools and faint hearts; and yet everyone has
courage enough to bear the misfortunes, and wisdom enough to manage
the affairs, of his neighbor. -- Benjamin Franklin
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From: "William B. Cattell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: creating RH 6.0 CD - Part II
Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 01:44:00 GMT
Bob, I just wanted to compare some notes. I'm having the EXACT same
problem as you described. I've burnt the image four times, can boot the
CD but run into the same error during stage two.
My most recent modification to the directory structure (before making
the image) was to put do a chmod 755 * in all the bin dirs and the
scripts in the etc dirs.
My next thought was to do a chmod -R 755 * at the root of the dir
structure but I'm not sure that would fix it. I've also thought about
the sym links that certain files had (mostly in the lib dirs).
Please feel free to email me with any ideas or suggestions. Thanks.
Bill
Bob Cunius wrote:
>
> hi,
> Earlier i posted a message asking how to make a bootable linux cd from
> files off of the internet from withing Win 98. I was having problems
> getting the linux install program to reckognize the cd. From the responses
> to my posting i was able to get linux to recognize the cd. I created a Rock
> Ridge format iso image file using the windows port of mkisofs. However i
> still cannot get linux to install. It now fails in the second stage of the
> loader. Here is the error code the linux install program gave me: error in
> exec of second stage loader :-(
> error: No such file or directory
> After that message it just hangs. I tried installing straight from the hd
> and it gets past that stage of the install.
> When i created the iso file from mkisofs i typed in the following
> command line:
> mkisofs -o ./redhat.iso -a -r -T /downloads/redhat6.0/i386
> (i386 being the root directory i downloaded off of ftp.redhat.com)
> (I also had tried using the -f option)
> The burning program i used was easy cd creator 3.50b from adaptec.
>
> Thanks for all the help again,
> Bob
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: CD-R panasonic unsupported ?
Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 10:39:44 GMT
Hi all,
I have a pb with my scsi panasonic (7502 matsushita) cd-recorder. When
I enter this command :
cdrecord dev=6,0 -inq
I get :
Cdrecord release 1.8a19 Copyright (C) 1995-1998 J�rg Schilling
scsidev: '6,0'
scsibus: 0 target: 6 lun: 0
Device type : Removable unsupported
Version : 2
Response Format: 2
Capabilities : SYNC LINKED
Vendor_info : 'MATSHITA'
Identifikation : 'CD-R CW-7502 '
Revision : '4.16'
Device seems to be: unknown.
I heard it could be a pb with my scsi adapter (aha2920, similar to a
future domain) and I would like to know if some of you heard the same
or know a solution for my pb.
Thanks in advance.
Fabien
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Q: how to make a bootable CD image (for 'mkhybrid' users) ??
Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 11:27:18 GMT
Hello here,
I've tried to copy & burn the SuSE CD 1, but when
I tested it, it didn't boot: I re-tried with options
in the mkhybrid command, and spoiled up several CDs
without succeeding in making a real bootable CD (there
was no way obsviously).
Question:
1- Is there a way of making a bootable CD WITHOUT USING
the -c & -d (if I well remember...) mkhybrid options
and the previously prepared 1.44 disk boot image ???
Or is this disk boot image path to include in the
command line THE ONLY WAY to produce another bootable
Unix CD ???
2- If it's the case, how do you make, for instance from
the SuSE CD 1, this disk-image file ??
Thanks a lot for any enlightenments !
Seb
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ian Briggs)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: [Q] PPP-strange error!!
Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 11:25:54 GMT
Janusz Kawczak wrote:
:.... modprobe: can't locate module lo:0
Don't know anything about this, I'm afraid.
:May 18 22:30:58 localhost pppd[704]: LCP: timeout sending Config-Requests
<snip>
:May 18 22:30:58 localhost pppd[704]: Receive serial link is not 8-bit
clean:
:May 18 22:30:58 localhost pppd[704]: Problem: all had bit 7 set to 0
Often seems to happen when the ISP's end isn't starting any PPP
negotiation because it isn't getting the appropriate prod from your
script.
You may find Bill Unruh's "How to hook up PPP" helpful (at
<http://axion.physics.ubc.ca/ppp-linux.html>), which is a good
step-by-step guide to creating PPP scripts.
Good luck.
Ian
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From: "NN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Pine and files
Date: 19 May 1999 12:17:50 GMT
Hello,
I use Pine 4.10 (delivered with Redhat v60) and when Pine is launched for
the first time, Pine creates a directory ~/mail/. and put the config files
in ~/. I would like to put the messages in ~/mailandnews/mail/. and the
config files in ~/mailandnews/. How can I make this possible. I've read
several HOWTO's and man-pages, but I can't find the solution.
Thank you in advance!
Regards,
Gert Veldhuis
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From: "D. Vrabel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.help,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Partition problems
Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 13:21:07 +0100
On Wed, 19 May 1999, E B+S Prof. Dr. F. F. Branco-Porto Santo wrote:
> Hi
>
> Here's my problem:
> computer with one 2.6GB hard drive. Linux RH 5.2.
>
> After several attempts trying to fix the ATI card problem to work with
> XWindow, I gave up - but only for now (I wanted to get much more
> information to try it again). For the moment, just using Windows 98
> -which, by the way, was already installed on that machine
>
> The problem is that I wanted (for the moment) to uninstall Linux and
> recover that partition it was on.
> I did fdisk/mbr in order to recover the original partition table. No
> message error.
fdisk /mbr replaces the MBR with the standard dos one. the MBR does not
contain partition information only the boot code. ie tell the BIOS to
look at the boot sector of the boot partition.
> When using once again fdisk (DOS/Windows one) to see what partitions
> there where and their size - surprise: The system didn't recongnize any
> other partition (although it reported the correct size of the drive)
> and, worst than that, didn't let me erase the extende DOS partition.
Delete the linux partitions with linux's fdisk. Then DOS will be able to
see the free space.
David
--
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Engineering Undergraduate at University of Cambridge, UK.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (RoadHawk)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Partition problems
Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 11:39:33 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>When using once again fdisk (DOS/Windows one) to see what partitions
>there where and their size - surprise: The system didn't recongnize any
>other partition (although it reported the correct size of the drive)
>and, worst than that, didn't let me erase the extende DOS partition.
>
>Please, anyone can tell me what to do?
>ALL sugestions are obviously welcome
Use PartitionMagic. It will see ext2 partitions, delete them and
format them to fat(32)
>Thanks JPC
RoadHawk
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stephen E. Halpin)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Pro-Unix vs anti-WinTel (was: Re: Is Unix a single user operating system?)
Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 04:06:56 GMT
On 14 May 1999 14:43:25 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John S. Dyson) wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>> Hash: SHA1
>>
>>>>>>> "Peter" == Peter Mutsaers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>> Peter> FreeBSD's more conservative and ordered approach used to
>> Peter> make its slower than Linux, but I think that Linux's
>> Peter> relative chaos is beginning to reverse this. It would be
>> Peter> good for Linux to also start using a single CVS tree with a
>> Peter> -current and -stable branch and a core team instead of a
>> Peter> single individual that needs to approve everything.
>>
>> Well, I've been reading FreeBSD'ers predictions of linux's imminent
>> demise for a year and a half. We seem to be progressing in the market
>> while FBSD just hangs around where it's always been.
>>
>> Linux development is driven by user demand.
>>
>FreeBSD is driven by user demand (partially.)
>
>>
>> FBSD development is
>> driven by the agenda of its development team.
>>
>FreeBSD development is driven by the agenda of the development
>team (partially.)
>
>>
>> Linux development is
>> oriented toward the individual user.
>>
>There is no centralized Linux-based OS development organization actually
>controlling Linux kernel based OS distributions. The Linux kernel
>part is controlled by a single czar. It is by that czar's whims that
>features get included (e.g. delayed inclusion of the raw disk mechanisms,
>which are quite advantageous for commercial database work.) If
>anything, Linux development is much more dependent on BOTH the whims
>of an individual kernel hacker AND the various somewhat incompatible
>distributions. This makes Linux fundamentally much more fragile from
>a project standpoint.
>
>>
>> FBSD development is oriented
>> toward the business user.
>>
>FreeBSD development is oriented towards the users who contribute, either
>in the sense of positive criticism, or code contribution. Alot of
>FreeBSD work is embedded, alot is inter-networking, and some is
>office-networking.
>
>>
>> I don't know what Linus' plans are, but I surely do hope he does not
>> adopt the `ignore the individual user' philosophy of FBSD.
>>
>Linus is the czar of the kernel only. His decisions don't necessarily
>show sensitivity to the needs of at least one large class of users
>(out of psuedo-asthetic reasoning.) Give me a *competent* committee
>with a structured organization for an entire OS, over a single kernel
>hacker's control -- anyday.
>
>Linux seems to be mostly (apparently) anti-Microsoft driven, and
>something like that based upon hate and revolution seems to be very
>uncaring to the userbase. GPL is also (in itself) a hate filled
>document with an agenda that doesn't effectively economically support
>the developers of code (including those who add to the code)
>themselves. In order for this revolution to survive, it needs people
>inexperienced in life (the trekkie set) to promulgate FUD against all
>other alternatives. Those using and manipulating that set of individuals,
>get to profit from (and stay above) the mess that the hacker revolt
>causes (both in a macro sense, and in the micro sense.) (The micro
>sense being the waste of otherwise brilliant programmers spending
>their potentially profitable time on GPLed works.)
There is nothing wrong with being driven by wanting a better alternative
for a desktop system. The real risk is implosion when every faction
goes off saying they represent the one true way to UNIX, and the efforts
will divide to the point of uselessness. The number of Linux distributions
is already a problem for those trying to build commercially for the Linux
platform. The BSD camp isnt exactly a single face either, and had the
BSD variants become significantly more popular, the number of people
trying to produce their own variants would likely increase substatially
as well. This may be a failing of open systems (APIs, code bases, etc...)
rather than a failing of a particular licensing arrangement.
To try to frame the side you oppose as "hate filled" when you make
statements about brilliant programmers wasting their "profitable time"
you appear to be the hate filled opposition. Different teams explore
different approaches, and positive competition can be a good thing
for both sides. You choose one way for yourself, and thats fine, but
dont slam people who make different choices about how they want their
work used. You want the option to profit from your work, and thats
fine, but respect those who dont want others to profit from what they
give freely. The next time you start thinking choice is bad, think
about a world where the Yugo was the only car anyone could buy and
spam was the only food you could buy, because the chosen few who know
whats best for you decided that these were the right solutions..
>The key for general economic success is to USE GPLed works when it
>is appropriate, but work towards free software. As a developer,
>almost all GPLed works are a licensing curiousity, and interesting
>reimplementations of work already done by creative people who spend
>time inventing and making money on new ideas.
You assume that only people who are paid are capable of producing
new ideas. If this is true, then how was it that the GNU C compiler
had fewer bugs and produced better code than so many commercial
compilers in its early days? Why was it that so many other GNU
utilities were faster and more bug free than their commercial
counterparts? If the commercial entities had all the bright ideas
one would think they would produce the better quality products -
after all, they were paid to develop them! As it stands, it appears
that the commercial UNIX players (Sun, HP, Compaq, SGI, IBM, and
even Apple) are all working on Linux options, and these are hardly
altruistic entities, so it is not unreasonable to conclude that
there is money to be made using GPLed software.
If anything, too many ideas seemed to be the death of the FSF.
EMACS and GCC came out like gangbusters, and offered a lot of
capabilities that their commercial counterparts couldnt match.
Unfortunately they have been dawdling over the best way to write
a kernel for 15 years with little to show for it. Had they cranked
out a simple UNIX-like kernel in the 1984-1985 timeframe and
evolved it at the pace EMACS and GCC evolved in their early days
Linux and assorted BSDs may never have occurred. As it is now,
keeping the pace of change in features such as the GCC optimizers
has taken a back seat to more etherial persuits. One can look at
a number of compiler vendors in both the PC and Mac space to see
that stagnation and death is not limited to GPLed software.
>--
>John | Never try to teach a pig to sing,
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] | it makes one look stupid
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] | and it irritates the pig.
-Steve, a user of free, open source, GPL, shareware and commercial
software.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Benoit Goudreault-Emond)
Crossposted-To: comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: NT the best web platform?
Date: 19 May 1999 02:47:28 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Marc Slemko wrote:
> In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> TRG Software : Tim Greer
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> >It doesn't. How any ISP's (real one's) run NT, and how many run Unix?
> >There's a reason.
>
> On the contrary. IIS on NT will outperform Apache on any OS you can
> pick for static content as measured by current popular benchmarks.
>
> That has no relation to how much load it can handle in the real world.
However, there is one thing that strikes me as odd, that I read somewhere,
and have not seen since (was it wrong? Perhaps). Apparently, IIS caches
its static content, but Apache does not, relying on Squid or a similar cache
manager to do so. Therefore, a fair test would probably be to use Squid as
well; any other test does NOT test Linux, but rather, Apache. (Obviously,
Apache may, in fact, be caching stuff, but I would not know)
I'm actually quite surprised that the Linux system worked that well, having
a 2.0 series kernel on an SMP system. Even more surprising (and much more
indicative of reality) is that Linux trounced NT on the dynamic tests,
despite being stuck with CGI scripts where NT & IIS had some in-process
stuff. Apparently, ZD Net folks never heard of the numerous Apache
plugins...
I think this is not a benchmark that should worry anybody except (perhaps)
the Apache folks. The fact that the dynamic web stuff works *better* under
Linux than under IIS (despite a high handicap) makes it clear which OS has
better memory, disk, cache, process, etc. management. In fact, if IIS
required all sorts of threading and async I/O stuff to do that well, it is
either seriously broken, or the underlying OS is.
--
Benoit Goudreault-Emond
CoFounder, KMS Group ; Student, B. Comp. Eng, Concordia University
``Being too close to a fireball can worry a man --- to death.''
-- Zeb Carter in "The Number of the Beast" by Robert A. Heinlein
Note: the "From:" address is not correct to protect myself against spam.
My actual e-mail address is: ``bgoudem AT axess DOT com''
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