Linux-Misc Digest #278, Volume #20 Thu, 20 May 99 17:13:09 EDT
Contents:
Soundblaster 16 PnP + modprobe (Lothar Krenzien)
ANN: bigbro-2.0.0 - recursively looks for broken Web links (Francois Pottier)
Re: A Capitalists view of freedom (Peter Seebach)
Linux killer for SuSe 6.1 ("Stefan Knabe")
Re: A simple message (Peter Granroth)
Re: Root Password lost... (Matthew Bafford)
Re: A Capitalists view of freedom (mlw)
Re: SETI comparisons (Bill McClain)
Re: Windows NT vs. Linux testing by mindcraft (Tom Keats)
Re: Communism dosn't even exist, never did... (Robert Washburne)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522) (Matthias
Warkus)
Re: A Capitalists view of freedom (Craig Dowell)
GDBM 1.8 released (Jason Downs)
Re: Commercially speaking....? (Neil Millar)
Re: Realplayer G2 (John Girash)
Re: Linux killer for SuSe 6.1 (Uwe Bonnes)
Re: A Capitalists view of freedom (Kenneth P. Turvey)
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From: Lothar Krenzien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Soundblaster 16 PnP + modprobe
Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 20:39:24 +0200
Hi there ;
I just updated some packages of my Suse (6.0) installation over the
internet and also the new 2.2.9 kernel. The sound modules are installed
and activeted in config.modules . But when I try to load the driver with
"modprobe -k sb.o" I get an error "device or resource busy" . Does
anybody know why ? I configured the *right* io and irq adresses as
modules in config.modules. Before I updated my installation everything
works fine.
greetings
Lothar
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Francois Pottier)
Subject: ANN: bigbro-2.0.0 - recursively looks for broken Web links
Date: 19 May 1999 22:57:26 +0200
Hello,
[Could anyone tell me how to post to comp.os.linux.announce? My
news software complains that the moderator's address is unknown.]
I am pleased to announce that Big Brother, a Web tool written in
Objective Caml, has just been placed in the public domain. The program
sources may be freely downloaded, used, modified, and re-distributed.
I now have little time to work on this project, so I would like to
encourage interested people to bring their own improvements to it. If
enough people are interested, maybe we can try and achieve some group
effort.
In short, Big Brother allows you to check the consistency of a whole
Web site. That is, it walks the site recursively and looks for broken
links. It is implemented as a command-line tool, which makes it very
convenient for regular, automated checks, as well as for use as a
component in a larger project.
The source code, as well as a Linux i386 RPM file, may currently be
found at
http://pauillac.inria.fr/~fpottier/bb.html.en
Enjoy!
--
Fran�ois Pottier
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://pauillac.inria.fr/~fpottier/
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: A Capitalists view of freedom
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Seebach)
Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 20:09:03 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Don't be silly. There is no reason to shoot me if I don't resist. If
>he was planning to kill me, anyway, there would be no point in asking
>me to pass the wallet first.
Reason?
You think these folks are *reasonable*?!?
Anyway, that's the statistics. We can argue about *why* they happen all
we want. The fact is, you're better off having a gun and resisting a robber
than not having a gun and not resisting, and that, in turn, is better than
not having a gun but resisting anyway.
This is assuming "serious injury == bad, not injured == good". If you assume
that keeping your money is useful, then you may be yet better off with the
gun.
>Of course, if in the act of me passing my wallet, he will notice that
>I have a gun strapped to my side, he might consider killing me before
>turning his back. So if I carry a gun, the option of "not resisting"
>might be considerably more dangerous than if I don't.
However, they're just comparing the overal stats on "not resisting", including
gunless people. Most people with guns end up at least waving them if they get
attacked.
Although robbery is affected some, the main things affected by guns appear to
be rape and burglary. YMMV.
-s
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From: "Stefan Knabe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linux killer for SuSe 6.1
Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 21:12:52 +0200
A simple infinite recursion kills Linux :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
void InfRecursion (){
char c[4000];
InfRecursion ();
}
int main (){
InfRecursion ();
}
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
I'm using Kernel 2.2.5, SuSE 6.1.
I started the program from kterm under KDE.
After a while, Linux was dead.
Well, one can avoid this by delimiting the stack via ulimit -s .
But it means, that Linux doesn't handle memory shortage gracefully.
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From: Peter Granroth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: A simple message
Date: 20 May 1999 21:11:41 +0200
**Nick Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Very neat. How would you do it if only the first letter was to be
> lowercased ?
the following should work:
for i in * ; do mv $i $(echo $(echo $i | cut -c1 | tr 'A-Z' 'a-z')$(echo $i | cut
-c2-)) ; done
> Frank v Waveren wrote:
> > for i in *; do mv $i `echo $i | tr 'A-Z' 'a-z'`; done
HTH
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthew Bafford)
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: Root Password lost...
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 19:37:02 GMT
On Thu, 20 May 1999 14:43:22 -0400, Thomas Veach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
held some poor sysadmin at gun point while typing in the following:
: Is it just me, or is it realy this easy to break into a linux machine
: and take over as root?
Probably no easier than any other computer operating system. Once you
have _physical_ access, there isn't a whole lot _software_ can do.
--Matthew
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: A Capitalists view of freedom
Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 20:31:25 +0000
David Kastrup wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Seebach) writes:
>
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Seebach) writes:
> > >> You may be less likely to die, net, if you have a gun, because most
> > >> of the time, people "defending" themselves with guns don't fire them
> > >> - most people aren't stupid enough to wait around to be shot at.
> >
> > >So you would be of the opinion that a criminal armed with a gun
> > >telling me to pass my wallet will, if I grasp at a gun as an answer,
> > >turn his back on me and walk away?
> >
> > Not necessarily... But he might.
> >
> > Roughly speaking, if you resist with anything but a gun, you're more likely
> > to get hurt than if you don't resist. If you resist with a gun, you're less
> > likely to get hurt than if you don't resist.
>
> Don't be silly. There is no reason to shoot me if I don't resist. If
> he was planning to kill me, anyway, there would be no point in asking
> me to pass the wallet first.
>
> Of course, if in the act of me passing my wallet, he will notice that
> I have a gun strapped to my side, he might consider killing me before
> turning his back. So if I carry a gun, the option of "not resisting"
> might be considerably more dangerous than if I don't.
Geez, I hate getting in to this conversation....
In the US, if you are robbed at gun-point. They'll shoot you for fun. If
a guy has pointed a gun at you, he intends to kill you.
--
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Take the Mohawk Software Computer Survey at: www.mohawksoft.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill McClain)
Subject: Re: SETI comparisons
Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 14:40:56 -0600
Carl Hilinski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm curious if anyone else is running this and what kind of results they are
> seeing.
Pentium II 300Mhz, setiathome v1.1, Linux 2.0.36: 13 hours. This is
running at nice 19 with me doing light work on the machine all day.
This is with i386 code. I'm waiting for the current batch to finish so I
can try the i686 version.
It is fun to watch a background job get 99% of the cpu time without
degrading interactive performance at all.
-Bill
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tom Keats)
Subject: Re: Windows NT vs. Linux testing by mindcraft
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 12:40:42 -0700
In article <7i1i5m$9cd$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> See, what gets me it you always see Linux as the sole entry from the
> Open Source community. I have yet to really see a "benchmark" test done
> against anyone of the BSD community... are they afraid this is an
So join the BSD community and do your "benchmark" tests.
> So much for OS jihads...
I hope so.
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From: Robert Washburne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Communism dosn't even exist, never did...
Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 16:34:51 -0400
Sod Enfopol98 wrote:
>
> "Mage..." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> decided to put finger to
> keyboard on the 15 May 1999 11:28:23 GMT. In doing so, they felt we
> would all like to know:
>
> >[I loved it when they changed the name from Personnel to Human Resources,
> >so, like am I a resource, just like the electricity and the copier toner is
> >a resource?]
I once worked for a company where one section of the building had a
large sign declaring it to be "Human Resources." I walked back there
and noticed a locked door the the sign "Resources" on it. I have always
wondered what I would have found---stacked like cordwood---in that
room...
>
> I never could get my head around the concept that i am a marketable
> commodity with skills for hire to a prospective employer.
There appear to be only three models in the world;
1) Marketable Commodity, where you are free to sell your services to
whomever. This whould include entrepaneurship where you hire yourself as
a farmer, painter, etc.
2) Serf/slave, where you are told what you will do. This is the model
used by socialist/communist(alleged)/feudal/dictatorship systems.
3) Unusable. Noone tells you what to do and noone hires you. Could be
because you are independantly wealthy, the head of a "2)" form of
government or just don't have anything of value to offer.
>
> I can see how a car is a product, but i cannot percieve of myself as
> such.
Perception is one thing. The human mind is quite adept at "putting a
spin" on reality. The important question is which of the above three
models do you fall fit into. Having answered that, you know have the
ability to rationally plot your future.
Don't worry about being manipulated or exploited. You will be.
Guarenteed.
The question is, can you use that knowledge to your advantage?
>
> But then again, i never was a good little communist.
It's a human trend. The Pilgrims tried to set up a cummunist state when
they came to America in 1620---all were to share equally in the
harvest. But they were not good little communists and slacked off
figuring that they would get the grain whether they worked the fields or
not. Bottom line: bad harvest, winter of starvation with close to half
of the population dieing. They changed to capitalism the next year with
everyone responcible for their own food.
>
> ***Contact me at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (PGP key available)
>
> "We have orders not to fire on anybody but Greenpeace"
> - Homer Simpson, 'Simpson Tide'
>
> "I guess being paranoid is kind of like being psychic."
> __
"When you sell your services you are a prostitute. And when you are a
prostitute you lay like the customer wants you to lay." - Dick Greggory
LET THE FLAMES BEGIN!!!!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522)
Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 19:49:00 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the 18 May 1999 09:31:36 GMT...
..and Mike Willett LADS LDN X7563 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Ketil Z Malde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >"FM" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> >> It's more like, there was problem X, untouched for many years,
> >> finally resolved by government initiation. The suggestion that
> >> private initiatives would have contributed better in terms of
> >> universal education is rather laughable.
> >
> >Why? Weren't there adequate schooling in the US before socialized
> >education began? How much higher is literacy now, compared to before
> >socialized education, and compared to nations that have suffered no
> >such system change in the same period?
> >
>
> Not wanting to be an apologiest for Communism but...
> literacy in Cuba is higher than in the USA or UK.
No big deal to have a higher literacy than the U.S... most of the
Northern and surely parts of the Southern hemisphere have. OTOH, it
surprises me that they should have got higher literacy than the UK,
maybe that's because of that little lady with the handbag, who knows.
mawa
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Craig Dowell)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: A Capitalists view of freedom
Date: 20 May 1999 19:43:54 GMT
>Oh, things are getting better in the U.S. With a just recently passed
>law, juveniles will no longer be permitted to buy half-automatic
>weapons like Uzi machine guns.
First, there's no such thing as half-automatic; you're thinking of semi-
automatic. Second, machine guns are, by definition, fully automatic.
Third, machine guns were explicitly illegal or extremely closely regulated
before the law (actually it's a bill that passed in the Senate) you mention.
Fourth, juveniles could not buy firearms before the bill either.
So, you're congratulating us for passing a bill preventing someone who
already couldn't buy any weapon legally from buying imaginary weapons
legally.
Woohoo! Progress.
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From: Jason Downs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.announce,gnu.utils.bug,alt.sources.d
Subject: GDBM 1.8 released
Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 18:02:16 -0700
GDBM (Gnu DBM) version 1.8 has been released. It is available
from ftp.gnu.org/gnu/gdbm/ and mirrors of that site (see list
below).
This release is a maintenance release, primarily containing code changes
relating to style and portability, with only a few new features added.
It has also been converted to build with ``libtool'', in order to support
shared libraries across all platforms supported by the ``libtool'' package.
As for specific changes, the ``fast'' mode options are now obsolete as the
non-sync file access mode is now the default. Options have been added for
toggling sync mode back on. File locking is now also optional, but still
defaults to on.
Two new options for dealing with free block management have also been added,
however both are disabled by default.
GDBM 1.8 uses the same file format as previous versions.
I expect a point release will be made in a couple of weeks; your feedback
on this release is appreciated.
--
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Australia:
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Neil Millar)
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Commercially speaking....?
Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 20:59:57 GMT
On Thu, 20 May 1999 13:17:30 +0100, "Phil Bousfield"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>(1) What is the right model(s) for a commercial company to market Linux
>products in the storage management space?
>(2) What model(s) should we avoid?
>(3) What source code access is appropriate or necessary?
Why not have a look at the O'reilly book 'Open Sources.' It has a few
essays by people who have done it. It's available (Open source!) on
the O'reilly website which is www.ora.com I think.
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From: John Girash <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Realplayer G2
Date: 19 May 1999 21:18:31 -0500
Allen Wong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: http://www.real.com/products/player/linux.html
yay. Has anyone gotten this to play most of the video clips on the Real.com
showcase page? On my box it plays audio fine but segfaults on most video,
complaining that not all components may be installed.
(Admittedly I've only got a 64MB 150mmx and they want a 64MB 200 but I doubt
that's causing the segfaults).
cheers
jg
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From: Uwe Bonnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux killer for SuSe 6.1
Date: 20 May 1999 20:18:44 GMT
Stefan Knabe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: A simple infinite recursion kills Linux :
:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
: void InfRecursion (){
: char c[4000];
: InfRecursion ();
: }
: int main (){
: InfRecursion ();
: }
: <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
: I'm using Kernel 2.2.5, SuSE 6.1.
: I started the program from kterm under KDE.
: After a while, Linux was dead.
: Well, one can avoid this by delimiting the stack via ulimit -s .
: But it means, that Linux doesn't handle memory shortage gracefully.
There are two posibilities in that situation:
- the system trying to shoot such wild running processes ( with a good chance
to kill innocent)
- or the system administrator shooting such wild running users.
Linus probably thinks that the latter solution is safer...
Bye
--
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Institut fuer Kernphysik Schlossgartenstrasse 9 64289 Darmstadt
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kenneth P. Turvey)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: A Capitalists view of freedom
Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 13:08:53 -0500
On 20 May 1999 16:33:18 +0200, David Kastrup
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus) writes:
>
>> It was the Wed, 19 May 1999 17:51:51 -0500...
>> ..and Kenneth P. Turvey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> [schnibble]
>> > Now how did we get from operating systems to gun control?
>>
>> Every thread degenerates into either an Emacs-vs.-vi debate or a gun
>> control flamewar after a finite amount of time.
>
>To which of those alternatives would Godwin's law apply?
I understand that Hitler liked vi and Stalin was a big emacs fan. The
used to play `hunt the wumpus' on the old PDP .00003 .
[End of Thread]
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