Linux-Misc Digest #290, Volume #20 Fri, 21 May 99 14:13:15 EDT
Contents:
prevent detection of 2nd HD ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
glint problem (Richard j. Freedman)
Re: Linux Newbie needs Help with installation (Dogstar)
RH 4.2 and Jdk1.1.5.rpm ("Folkert Meeuw")
RH 6, sndconfig, sound balster 16 PnP (Dan Finn)
Re: Pro-Unix vs anti-WinTel (was: Re: Is Unix a single user operating system?)
(Jason T. Nelson)
Re: NT the best web platform? (mlw)
Re: NT the best web platform? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Getting Started with Linux (Chaz7perx)
Re: RedHat 6.0 -- how to compile for RH5? (Clifford T. Matthews)
Re: glint problem (Edwin Chacon)
Re: prevent detection of 2nd HD (Paul Grayson)
Re: Help! Sound Loop Error with Crystal CS34232 Sound Card! (Matt Willis)
Re: Root Password lost... (Rene Bauer)
Re: Can anybody recommend a multi-user email. (Duncan Simpson)
csh-programming-manual (Oliver Gebele)
starting a new shell... (Oliver Gebele)
Re: Communism dosn't even exist, never did... (Raj Rijhwani)
Re: A Capitalists view of freedom (George MacDonald)
Re: Samba_2.0 NT4_SP3 and Linux SuSE6.1 (Matt)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: prevent detection of 2nd HD
Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 16:04:56 GMT
How can I prevent Linux (or Windows, for that matter) from knowing about
the 2nd hard disk? I would like it to stay spun down, but every now and
then linux accesses it for whatever reason. (Windows does too.) The OS
is RH5.2.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard j. Freedman)
Subject: glint problem
Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 16:08:04 GMT
I am running kernel 2.2.9. I have been slowly converting from rh 5.2 to rh 6.0
by downloading packages from the 6.0 distribution. So far the only thing
that doesn't work is glint. I get the following when glint is executed:
Traceback (innermost last):
File "./glint.py", line 23, in ?
from rhtkinter import *
ImportError: No module named rhtkinter
I am using glint-2.6.2-1
Some questions:
1) Am I courting disaster with my approach to upgrading?
2) Is there something I need to do besides upgrade packages from Rh6?
3) is glint-2.6.2-1 the correct version to use with rh6?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dogstar)
Subject: Re: Linux Newbie needs Help with installation
Date: 21 May 1999 14:59:06 GMT
Thanks, carl. I appreciate your help. DS
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, cpw@bluesign says...
>
>In article <7i1h8g$5d0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>Dogstar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>I've installed Red Hat 5.2 on an IBM Thinkpad 760 and have found that both
the
>>command line and x versions occupy only the center half of my screen. I
suspect
>>that on the origional installation I indicated a 800x600 resolution rather
than
>>the 1024x768 that the screen is most comfortable with (in Windows). My video
>>card (Trident Cyber 9385) is listed as compatable with Linux. How do I get to
>>the file with this resolution data so that I can change it? Or must I
reinstall
>>Linux form the begining? If the latter, what's the best way to uninstall what
I
>>have now? Red Hat support has been of no help with this despite their
>>trumpeting 90 day support. In a word, they s...!
>>
>>Thanks for any ideas about this.
>>
>>
>
>Does that distribution have the program XF86Setup? (Usually found in
>/usr/X11R6/bin/ or /usr/X11/bin). Run that as root while X is NOT running.
>It will present you with various help screens and buttons for mouse, keyboard,
>video card, monitor, mode, etc.
>You probably can go straight to the mode and monitor sections and fiddle
>with them. Usually when you leave it you go straight to something called
>xvidtune which might also affect your monitor. XF86Setup basically
>builds a config file called XF86Config which might exist in anyone of
>several places, like /etc/X11. It is an ASCII file which you could try
>to construct or modify yourself, so, you could also try finagling with
>values in that.
>
>--
>Praeterea censeo Micromolle non esse utendum.
>("Moreover, I maintain that Microsoft should not be used." A toned down
>adaptation of a sig from Cato the Elder regarding the city of Carthage.
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From: "Folkert Meeuw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: RH 4.2 and Jdk1.1.5.rpm
Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 21:52:45 +0200
Hi Dear Friendly Readers,
I want to upgrade my Jdk, and therefor I copied the rpm package via ftp on
my Red Hat 4.2 Machine. But every time I type rpm --upgrade Jdk115.rpm
it gives an error:
failed dependencies:
/bin/sh is needed by jdk115-1.1.5-1
libXm.so.2 is needed by jdk115-1.1.5-1
I made today updatedb to be secure that locate gives me the right
information. So on, I typed locate bin/sh and I get the Information that
/bin/sh exists, libXm.so.2 doesn't exist, only usr/local/lib/libXm.so.1.2.0.
In which, or out of which rpm package I can get the libXm.so.2.
ThanX !
NG Folkert Meeuw
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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 11:38:05 -0400
From: Dan Finn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: RH 6, sndconfig, sound balster 16 PnP
I recently installed RedHat 6.0. I have a sound blaster 16 PnP. I was
able to get this sound card to work with RedHat 5.2 using sndconfig so I
was hoping that RH6 would work fine. When I ran sndconfig it detected
the card as the right card, it then told me it was going to re-write a
couple of files, it then complains about certain lines in the
/etc/isapnp.conf file and not knowing what to do with a certain line. I
tried it multiple times and even tried it with a different card and the
same exact thing happened (it also detected that card fine). I tried to
install the isapnptools and sndconfig packages off my RH 5.2 cd and
sndconfig complained that it needed two library files that I didn't
have. Any help would be really appreciated,
Thanks
Dan Finn
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jason T. Nelson)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Pro-Unix vs anti-WinTel (was: Re: Is Unix a single user operating system?)
Date: 21 May 1999 15:49:45 GMT
According to Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> OK, I'm waiting. Stiiiilllll waiting. Well? No guffaw. Oh, could that
> be because FreeBSD's rise and fall cannot be calculated because the numbers
> just aren't there yet whereas Linux, on the most optimistic observations, has
> surpassed Mac's base install with a majority of that being servers? Hmmm,
> food for thought.
Numbers please. Proof.
Yeah, thought so. Maybe FreeBSD's "rise and fall" cannot be calculated
because most users of FreeBSD aren't rabid pitbulls who insist that anything
other than Linux is evil and should be shunned? Perhaps FreeBSD users are
quiet and dignified about their choice of operating system.
Linux is currently the posterchild of a media starved for real technical
news.. NT also had its day to shine in the media. I'm curious to see what
will happen when the media tires of reporting on yet another Linux
"breakthrough" and IBM et al feel the need to test the precious GPL in court.
--
Jason T. Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
BOFH Extraordiaire
http://www.eboai.org/~jtn/
disclaimer: My opinions are my own. Don't bother my employer about them.
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: NT the best web platform?
Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 20:45:43 +0000
Look carefully at the technology used. Windows NT used native compiled
code and the UNIX (Sun and Linux) boxes used java and perl. All the
technology discussions are smoke screens for the inequity in the
implementation.
I don't care what OS you are using, you can not load a java VM and
execute a java program as fast as you can load a Windows .dll or UNIX
shared library. I'm surprised that the UNIX resuts were as fast as they
were.
--
Mohawk Software
Windows 95, Windows NT, UNIX, Linux. Applications, drivers, support.
Take the Mohawk Software Computer Survey at: www.mohawksoft.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: NT the best web platform?
Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 16:23:04 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Anthony Ord) wrote:
> On Wed, 19 May 1999 12:17:49 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > bz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> please.. no more benchmark crap. anyone can make a bechmark say
> >> whatever you want. if you had statistics, you remember that.
you
> >> could even take ms stats and make them say whatever you want.
the
> >> reality is that you cannot count on ms.
> >>
> >> a bit off topic.. i remember when all the managers at hertz
believed
> >> the hype that ms spewed and ditched their os400 machines for new
$20k
> >> PCs for servers. the short of that story is that they are back
to
> >> the old os400s. what a waste of time & money.
> >
> >That's a shame and very short sighted. I recently went down to IBM's
> >Teraplex Center in Rochester MN and tested my company's application
> >using one of those huge honk'n AS/400's (12cpus, 40Gb RAM and 1.2Tb
> >disk)
>
> Excuse me while I wipe the drool off the screen.
>
Yeah. It was a very, nice system. Too bad it wasn't a PC. But you
can run Windows NT on the system! IBM has an add-in card that allows
you to run up to 16 NT servers on their AS/400 platform.
> > as our database server. Wow! What a nice box, what a nice OS.
> >
> >I can see why every person I know that has worked on the AS/400 raves
> >about them. Hopefully IBM will fix some of the minor short comings
of
> >their RDBMS (lack of LOB and nested outer join support) soon and
it'll
> >rock.
>
> What's LOB?
>
Large OBjects. BLOBs (binary large objects), CLOBs (character), DBLOBs
(double byte. Almost every RDBMS has support for LOBs except DB2/400.
LOB support allows you to, for example, save a file into the database.
Most LOB support in the industry allows you to save 2Gb objects.
DB2/400's LOB support is 15M in V4R4 and with future releases it will
increase.
> >cheers.
>
> Regards
>
> Anthony
> --
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> | They fall apart |
> | When the walls come tumbling in |
> | Though we may deserve it |
> | It will be worth it - Depeche Mode |
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chaz7perx)
Subject: Getting Started with Linux
Date: 21 May 1999 16:34:09 GMT
Right now my 486 boots to DOS, but things are screwed up. I understand Linux is
a free download.
1. Where do I download it, and How do I get my machine to recognize Linux
instead of DOS/Windows?
Thanks
Chaz
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Clifford T. Matthews)
Subject: Re: RedHat 6.0 -- how to compile for RH5?
Date: 21 May 1999 10:07:53 -0600
>>>>> "lg" == Larry Gritz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
lg> Now that I'm done with the install, I have no idea how to
lg> instruct the compiler to make sure binaries will run on the old
lg> OS. Anybody know?
You now have a new C compiler named "i386-glibc20-linux-gcc". You can
do things like:
make CC=i386-glibc20-linux-gcc foo
or
i386-glibc20-linux-gcc bar.c
However, you can't use this compiler to compile anything that calls
the db routines or any other function in a Red Hat 5.x shared library
that returns a struct that is larger than 32 bits. It will appear to
compile properly but will likely die soon after the call is completed.
I don't know what shared libraries contain functions that return
structs that are larger than 32 bits; I know that's fairly rare, but
our own use of the ndbm routines alerted us to this problem.
I've reported it to Red Hat using bugzilla, mentioned it a few times
on usenet, sent e-mail to SuSE and nobody seems to care that they
changed calling conventions without a BIG INCOMPATIBILITY WARNING
(much less bumping up the .so numbers).
lg> -- lg
lg> -- Larry Gritz Pixar Animation Studios [EMAIL PROTECTED] Richmond, CA
Regards,
Cliff Matthews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
ARDI
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From: Edwin Chacon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: glint problem
Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 09:19:48 -0700
I am using glint 2.6.3
"Richard j. Freedman" wrote:
> I am running kernel 2.2.9. I have been slowly converting from rh 5.2 to rh 6.0
> by downloading packages from the 6.0 distribution. So far the only thing
> that doesn't work is glint. I get the following when glint is executed:
>
> Traceback (innermost last):
> File "./glint.py", line 23, in ?
> from rhtkinter import *
> ImportError: No module named rhtkinter
>
> I am using glint-2.6.2-1
>
> Some questions:
>
> 1) Am I courting disaster with my approach to upgrading?
> 2) Is there something I need to do besides upgrade packages from Rh6?
> 3) is glint-2.6.2-1 the correct version to use with rh6?
>
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From: Paul Grayson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: prevent detection of 2nd HD
Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 18:07:30 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> How can I prevent Linux (or Windows, for that matter) from knowing about
> the 2nd hard disk? I would like it to stay spun down, but every now and
> then linux accesses it for whatever reason. (Windows does too.) The OS
> is RH5.2.
>
Disconnect it! :-)
--
Unemployed UNIX and networking expert with 9 years of experience.
Someone out there must has some position for me; anywhere in the UK will
do.
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From: Matt Willis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Help! Sound Loop Error with Crystal CS34232 Sound Card!
Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 15:55:14 +0000
Whoa. That sounds crazy. I too struggled with PnP and all that. I got my
cs4232 card working, but then my modem stopped. Rather than frig with
things forever, I disabled PnP in my BIOS, compiled support for the card
into my kernel, and everything works fine now.
Try that. Failing that, try getting the OSS drivers from
www.4front-tech.com and seeing if they work.
- Matt
Chris Wilson wrote:
>
> I have spent *weeks* trying to get my sound card configured correctly for my
> system, all with very little success. My latest problem is that regardless of
> the application I use, whenever I play a sound file, a one second clip of it
> plays, and repeats over and over and over again, until I finally stop it.
>
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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 09:36:15 +0200
From: Rene Bauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: Root Password lost...
Thomas Veach wrote:
>
> D. Vrabel wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 20 May 1999, Beni Huber wrote:
> >
> > > Argh! It really has happened. We forgot our root password.
> > >
> > > Please have a heavy laugh.
> > >
> > > We'll probably have to reinstall Linux. Is there a way to just replace
> > > some of the components or does it
> > > have to be a complete reinstall?
> > No you don't.
> >
> > > Is there another way to get at the password? We have RH 5.2 with shadow
> > > passwords on. We still have
> > > user access.
> > boot into single user mode (use single option at the LILO prompt). Or use
> > a boot disk that come with Red Hat.
> >
> > David
> > --
> > David Vrabel
> > Engineering Undergraduate at University of Cambridge, UK.
>
> Is it just me, or is it realy this easy to break into a linux machine
> and take over as root?
>
The single user mode "feature" can be changed, so that if you boot in
single user mode you are asked for the root password. The possibility of
using a boot disk can also be taken away by disabling the floppy drive
as boot device in the BIOS and setting an BIOS password. This makes
Linux at least as save as your BIOS is. But anyway if somebody has
longer physical access to your computer he could do a lot af thing with
it. A removeable hard drive is not bad :-).
Ciao,
Rene
--
Rene Bauer
TESIS SYSware GmbH, Munich (Germany)
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: +49 (0)89 747377-26
Never trust a programmer with a screwdriver!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Duncan Simpson)
Subject: Re: Can anybody recommend a multi-user email.
Date: 21 May 1999 17:31:55 GMT
In <7i1src$hnc$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>I have a Linux machine in a shared lab can anyone recommend a Multi-user
>email client to put on it. to be used in a single guest account.
>The other users are mostly computer illiterate, so needs to be nice
>and simple point and click.
>The only other requirement is that the Mail must be left on the server
>and not clog up the Hard drive.
>Thanks in advance Douglas.
There are several choices for this job. Having mail both kept on the
server and not clogging up its hard drive is a chanllenge
though. Assuming`you mean the client's hard drive then at least some
POP and IMAP clients should work, if carefully configured (you can
stop lusers changing the configuration by the configuration files read
only).
The major alternatives I can see are:
- standard clients like pine, elm, exmh, etc with NFS or SMB mounted
places the mail gets moved from people's inboxen to. (These are
automatically multiuser because Un*x is multiuser).
- Web-based CGI client running on an appropiate web server (possible
the mail server). I under LJ has one in the present issue. Otherwise
there are free and non-free alterntives out there. You could roll
your own in perl if you prefered (there is a POP3 module
out there I hear).
- Standatd POP or IMAP clients carefully configured. Example of these
include pegasus, eudora, outlook express and netscape. Run an
appropiate collection of servers on the mail server in addition to
sendmail. Again you may want to use SMB or NFS to keep people's
mail on the server.
Duncan (-:
"software industry, the: unique industry where selling substandard goods is
legal and you can charge extra for fixing the problems."
--
Duncan (-:
"software industry, the: unique industry where selling substandard goods is
legal and you can charge extra for fixing the problems."
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From: Oliver Gebele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: csh-programming-manual
Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 15:18:06 +0200
hello everyone,
is there a csh-programming manual on the web???
(beside the man-page)
thanx, oli
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From: Oliver Gebele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: starting a new shell...
Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 15:21:20 +0200
hello everyone,
on the local system i can't change the login-shell
(via chsh, too bad)
so i'd like to start the tcsh from .login
and terminate the old shell automatically.
how do i do this?
thanx, oli
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Raj Rijhwani)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Communism dosn't even exist, never did...
Date: Fri, 21 May 99 17:16:17 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <01be9ec6$3b5cc000$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[EMAIL PROTECTED] "Mage..." writes:
> [I loved it when they changed the name from Personnel to Human Resources,
> so, like am I a resource, just like the electricity and the copier toner is
> a resource?]
What makes you think you're not?
--
Raj Rijhwani (umtsb5/16) | This is the voice of the Mysterons...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | ... We know that you can hear us Earthmen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | "Lieutenant Green: Launch all Angels!"
http://www.courtfld.demon.co.uk/raj/ (demon, and gods, willing...)
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From: George MacDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: A Capitalists view of freedom
Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 17:19:24 GMT
David Kastrup wrote:
>
> George MacDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Peter Seebach wrote:
> > >
> > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > > mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >In the US, if you are robbed at gun-point. They'll shoot you for fun. If
> > > >a guy has pointed a gun at you, he intends to kill you.
> > >
> > > Not always; as I understand it, it's not more than about 50% likely.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Geesh people can you take this elswhere! And besides, your missing
> > the point! It's not about what you do when a criminal is pointing a
> > gun at you, it's about what you do when it's your own government!!
>
> So you would suggest pulling a gun and shooting if a police officer
> gets fresh?
>
Sir, you are attributing to me facts, statements and or opinions that I
have not voiced. Misrepresenting my statements and then attributing them to me
is slander and I *DEMAND* that you apologies immediately.
We stand on the shoulders of those giants who coded before.
Build a good layer, stand strong, and prepare for the next wave.
Guide those who come after you, give them your shoulder, lend them your code.
Code well and live! - [EMAIL PROTECTED] (7th Coding Battalion)
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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 08:40:40 +0100
From: Matt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Samba_2.0 NT4_SP3 and Linux SuSE6.1
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.networking.tcp-ip,comp.protocols.smb
Mark,
Yep, the user is root. It has full 777 permit's to all dirs and
commands.
Many thanks
Matt
Mark McCoy wrote:
>
> Matt wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have just configured SuSE 6.1 with the updated
> > samba.rpm. The NT box can see Linux and can logon
> > to the Linux box using NT4 SP3 (using the active
> > descktop).
> >
> > However when I attempt to copy a file to Linux
> > from NT I get a permissions error. I have
> > added full permissions to the user on NT.
> >
> > even with the option of
> >
> > security=share or security=user in the smb.conf
> >
> > If I attempt to change the permissions on NT
> > just in case (to ckeck the permissions)
> > I get an active desktop explorer error exception.
> > The active desktop then reverts to the recovery
> > desktop.
> >
> > I can copy files from Linux to the NT directory
> > but not the other way (NT to Linux).
> >
> > Is there another problem in samba, or is there
> > another setting in the smb.conf that I have
> > missed ?
> >
> > Many thanks
> >
> > Matt
>
> does the user have _Unix_ write permissions to the directory??
> Even if Samba gives read/write permission to a SMB user, the user account on the
> Linux box must have write access to the directory.
>
> For example, if I export /usr/local/projects as a read/write share "proj" (in
> smb.conf), and fictitious user "larryb" (in the fictitious group "programmers")
> mounts that share, he can only write to the directory if the directory looks
> like any of these (ls -ld /usr/local/projects):
> drwxr-xr-x 3 larryb root .............. projects
> drwxrwxr-x 3 root programmers ............. projects
> drwxrwxrwx 3 root root ............. projects
> (of course 777 permissions are dangerous, so no follow-ups explaining that
> please)
>
> larryb can not write there if the permissions look like this:
> drwxr-xr-x 3 root othergroup ............. projects
> since he is not in the group that owns the directory, even though samba tells NT
> that this is a read/write share.
>
> --
> Mark McCoy -- Proud to run Linux since February 1996
> Systems Administrator - Cajun Brothers Technology, llc
> The views in this message do not necessarily reflect the views of my employer
> This message posted from snowdog, a 100% MS-free machine.
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