Linux-Misc Digest #290, Volume #21 Wed, 4 Aug 99 19:13:11 EDT
Contents:
Re: Change from DHPC to Static IP ("Mikeg")
Is DHCP needed for PPP? ("R. Alcazar")
users can't mount cdrom (Jeff Greer)
Re: mouse problem (Jayan M)
WIN Server ("Hugh")
Linux colocations available cheap (Allen Ahoffman)
Re: Getting NTP to reset CMOS clock (Timothy J. Lee)
Re: helping the Third World (Matthias Warkus)
newbie: what is "Segmentaion fault"? (Andrew de los Reyes)
Re: ATI and X Server problem (John)
Re: What I think of linux. (Jo)
compiling pgp error (Mike Jarvis)
Re: boot without fsck? (Randall Parker)
Linux and NT on one system....help!!! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: users can't mount cdrom ("gus")
!! password in /etc/shadow (bruce)
Re: Database program ("Art S. Kagel")
Re: guaranteed annual income ("A.T.Z.")
Re: IDE vs scsi? ("Art S. Kagel")
Clone a harddisk (Robert Rehrl)
Re: Must root and swap partitions be primary? (Cameron L. Spitzer)
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From: "Mikeg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Change from DHPC to Static IP
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 12:33:57 -0700
That GUI way did work, Thanx.
I don't feel like I learned anything though.
BUT- I'm not looking a gift horse in the mouth. It works!
MikeG
Mike Werner wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Mikeg wrote:
>
>> Greetings,
>>
>> I recently built my first Linux server (RedHat6.0). When I was going
>> through the setup, I chose DHCP. I'd like to give it a static IP, but
can't
>> figure out where this is done.
>>
>> I'd go ahead and just re-install, but I am using that machine for an
online
>> Linux class I'm taking.
>>
>> Thanx in advance,
>> MikeG
>
> One way is ....
>1) control-panel &
>2) select the network configuration button
>3) then the network configurator dialog pops up
>4) highlight the interface you want to change and select the edit button
>5) then the edit dialog pops up
>6) select a new value for the field "interface confiuration protocol"
>7) done done apply save etc.
>
>Another way ....
>modify the appropriate script in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts
>for example, ./ifcfg-eth0
>
>You may also need to check that /etc/HOSTNAME is set correctly.
>There may be other things that you have to do also.
>
>mtw
>
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From: "R. Alcazar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Is DHCP needed for PPP?
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:48:16 -0500
Hello all,
I've tried to setup my PPP connection based on the recent article provided
by Linux Journal. I've had my PPP connection working properly for quite
some time, but there was an extra step in the article that raised my
attention.
I'm running RHL6, 2.2 kernel. After configuring PPP0 under linuxconf the
article stated that I should configure a network adaptor under for DHCP with
a net device of PPP0. Is this necessary? I achieved a working PPP
connection without this. What effect does setting the DHCP device have on
an otherwise fine PPP connection?
My Linux setup is just a standalone workstation and I've setup a dummy eth0
device so I can setup DNS, Apache (virtualhosts), etc. *I don't have a lan
yet... doh!* When I try to create the dhcp adapter (adaptor 2) linuxconf
loses that configuration! The next time I run linuxconf, the settings that
I had made disappear or appear as if they have never been made! I've have
both dhcpd and dhcpcd packages installed. What is the problem?
Please advise.
R. Alcazar
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jeff Greer)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: users can't mount cdrom
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 21:13:44 GMT
Hello,
Why can I only mount the cdrom drive as root?
here is /etc/fstab
/dev/scd0 /mnt/cdrom iso9660
noauto,ro,user 0 0
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root users 37672 Oct 6 1998 /bin/mount
brwxrwxrwx 1 root users 11, 0 May 5 1998 /dev/scd0
lrwxrwxrwx 1 guest users 4 Mar 26 04:23 /dev/cdrom
-> scd0
Shouldn't this be automatically setup by mainstream linux
distros? Linux will be useless as an OS for the desktop as long
as braindead problems like this exist. Linux sure needs a set of
desktop standards.
I like Linux, but setting up some things is a complete waste of
time. I am not interested in knowing how to make my cdrom
mountable by guests. There should be a standard script to handle
this.
--
Jeff Greer
B.S. computer science, University of MO - Rolla
==================================================
Windows NT has crashed,
I am the Blue Screen of Death,
No one hears your screams...
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From: Jayan M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: mouse problem
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 13:40:34 GMT
Do an 'ls -l /dev/mouse' and check if it is linked to
ttyS0 or cua0, which should be your com1 under Doze..
Chin Yew Tuck wrote:
> Charles Gilker wrote:
>
> > You mouse is probabely not detected by the OS. Look into the
>
> > /var/log/bootlog file to see if you mouse is detected. The /dev/mouse
>
> > should be redirected to your com port.
>
> >
>
> > See under the "gpm" label...
>
> >
>
> > Regards,
>
> > Charles
>
> >
>
> > Chin Yew Tuck a =E9crit:
>
> > >=20
>
> > > When I tried to start X window by typing "startx" , I got this error
>
> msg:
>
> > >=20
>
> > > "Fatal server error:"
>
> > >=20
>
> > > "Cannot open mouse (Device or resource busy)"
>
> > >=20
>
> > > For your info, I'm using a Microsoft serial mouse at com1.
>
> > >=20
>
> > > Any help will be appreciated. Thank you.
>
> > >=20
>
> > > regards
>
> > >=20
>
> > > Y T Chin
>
> > >=20
>
> > > ------------------ Posted via SearchLinux ------------------
>
> > > http://www.searchlinux.com
>
> Hello,
>
> My /dev/mouse is already directed to my com port 1.
>
> If I try killing the gpm, it gives me the following msg:
>
> "fatal error (shouldn't happen)"
>
> If I type: "gpm"
>
> I'll receive the following msg:
>
> "gpm: /dev/mouse: Device or resource busy"
>
> Thank you.
>
> regards,
>
> Y T Chin
>
>
>
> ------------------ Posted via SearchLinux ------------------
> http://www.searchlinux.com
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From: "Hugh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: WIN Server
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 16:13:49 -0500
Does anyone have any hints on how to set up a Linux box on a NT network that
uses a WINS server, but not a DNS server. I can see a host from the linux
box using an IP, but not using the host name. That creates problems
--
Hugh A. Duguid, Professor
Hopkinsville Community College
P.O. Box 2100
Hopkinsville, KY 42241-2100
(502) 886-3921 x 149
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
nullius in verba
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From: Allen Ahoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linux colocations available cheap
Date: 4 Aug 1999 15:14:00 GMT
You can lease a linux server starting at $100 / month from Announce
Communications.
If you send the box for colocation you can pay as low as $50 / month.
See http://announce.com for more information.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Timothy J. Lee)
Subject: Re: Getting NTP to reset CMOS clock
Date: 4 Aug 1999 21:15:37 GMT
Reply-To: see-signature-for-email-address---junk-not-welcome
Yousuf Khan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
|My Linux PC's clock is several seconds ahead of actual time. I have
|ntpdate come up during boot to set the OS clock to the right time and
|date, and xntpd runs during the course of the session to keep the clock
|in sync, but as soon as I restart the machine, the OS clock gets set by
|the local CMOS clock until these utilities come on and set the time
|properly. I'd like the CMOS clock to get reset by these utilities so
|that it too has the right time of day.
You could do it crudely by using hwclock after ntpdate to set the
hardware clock, and also use hwclock in a cron job to keep the hardware
clock reasonably accurate.
--
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Timothy J. Lee timlee@
Unsolicited bulk or commercial email is not welcome. netcom.com
No warranty of any kind is provided with this message.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: helping the Third World
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 22:29:39 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the 4 Aug 1999 11:49:14 -0400...
..and Donovan Rebbechi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> We're going around in circles. The rest of the world is doing better than
> the USA on high school education with more "beaurocratized progrssiveness".
> Why are you blaming the "progressives" when they are doing a better job
> in their countries than the rightists are in the US ?
Actually, this is the big hallucination of most US rightists. Just
because the US economy is doing fine, they cheerfully ignore that on
almost every other area, "bureaucratised progressives" are doing
better than them.
If someone could manage to show them that it's not them, the
rightists, who are responsible for the US's economic success, no, that
even with a leftist administration, the US economy would do fine, I
suppose they would all drop into a huge ego hole.
mawa
--
The utility of a fancy Web browser is damn near zero compared with the
utility of a really good text editor.
-- mawa
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From: Andrew de los Reyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: newbie: what is "Segmentaion fault"?
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 21:49:23 GMT
hi.
I'm a linux newbie. occasionally I get an error message "Segmentation fault
(core dumped)". Could someone tell me where it's dumped to, is it sitting
around wasting my limited HD space? Am I completely off base?
thaks in advance,
Andrew de los Reyes
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From: John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.help,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: ATI and X Server problem
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 14:17:24 -0500
JPC wrote:
> I�m having a serious problem:
> I have a PC with an ATI RageII-chipset Mach64GT, 4Mb card and a 15"
> monitor.
> I�m using RH 5.2 Linux.
>
> Linux install OK.
>
> But when trying to launch XWindow problems come.
> When trying to autoprobe system crashed.
> When running XF86Setup I have already tried various chipsets: Mach 64,
> Mach 64+, Mach84GT, generic VGA... None of them seemed to work - giving
> an error: can�t connect to XServer.
> Tried also several combinations with monitor parameters - even the
> lowest. Nothing.
>
> Anyone having same problem?
> Can someone please enlighten me on how overcome this situation?
>
> Many many thanks
This is an easy way out. Use the Diamond speedstar pro (not SE) card from
the card list in XF86Setup. If you are using the Mach64 server then you
will need to add in the SVGA server as well
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From: Jo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.linux.sux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: What I think of linux.
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 20:59:09 GMT
I'm 31. Started on a Commodore 64 when I was 14. At school we used Apple
IIc's. I hated those... My C64 was a lot more user friendly on the same
processor. Of course I learned Basic and I even learned Assembler.
At 17 or 18 I bought my first XT. In a way, it seemed like a step
backwards, but I wanted to know what the fuss was all about. So I
started with DOS and Win3.11. Then I went on to a 486 with Win95 then a
P166. We started to use WinNT at work. I liked it over OS/2. Last year I
upgraded to a Pentium II, 350 MHz. Apart from the C64 and the XT I
assembled them all myself.
Last October I started with Linux. I abandoned it for a few months and
now I'm using my vacation to get really in to it. My opinion is that the
'sabbat' period has been a good thing. I learned the theory back then
and read a book about it right now. It still isn't easy, but at least
it's getting less of a black box every day. I hope to be able to leave
Windows and its ever two years returning investments (OS and Office)
behind me real soon!
Jo
alann wrote:
>
> On Wed, 28 Jul 1999, DistressedCanadian wrote:
> >I tend to agree with the original poster. I am a computer
> >scientist that is relatively new to the Linux world. I
> >encounter problems everyday. Most involve things that
> >would be simple tasks in windows.
> >
> >The fact that some things are made so easily in windows is
> >also one of it's weaknesses however. I like Linux to use
> >for programming and as a web server...
> >
> >But, for all of those people that think that Linux is the
> >next generation, you are sadly mistaken. The majority of
> >computer users are barely able to use Windows, let alone
> >something as complex as Linux.
> >
> You're right, somewhat. I would be curious as to the average age of Linux
> users. I'm 34. First computer I ever had my hands on was a Commodore PET.
> That was a LONG time ago. Right now there are a gazillion Windows users.
>
> How many are over 40 and grew up in a generation that computers DIDN'T exist?
> How many users used a computer with Windows for their "virgin" computer
> experience?
> Thats all they know.
>
> There are a lot of 8 year old's now that are more computer literate than some
> 50 year olds. My son included.
>
> >As the second poster said, Linux was made by geeks for
> >geeks, and unfortunately it will probably always remain
> >so. I have to say that there is NO WAY Linux will ever
> >become mainstream... simply because of the lack of computer
> >savvy demonstrated by over 90% of PC users.
> >
>
> Nope, your wrong. Kids now have more computer skills than most "windows" users.
>
> I see this now in my local linux user group. A lot of the members are "kids"..
> HS'ers, college kids that know thier way around
> linux as much as I *WOULD* like to.. Today's kids at 8,9,10-15 that master
> Windows are not going to be satisfied with "sh*tty software and OS's.
>
> Linux gives thier minds a chance to grow. I give M$ 10 years max.
> They might still be around, but they will be writing apps, not OS's..
> Todays kids will certainly make sure that happens.
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From: Mike Jarvis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: compiling pgp error
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 16:03:02 -0600
I'm trying to build PGP 2.62 on an HP Vetra XM (pentium 75) running
Linux
RedHat 5.2 distribution. I compile fine but get the following
errors while linking:
/home/mjarvis/p1/src/crypto.c:627: undefined reference to `P_SETP'
crypto.o: In function `signfile':
/home/mjarvis/p1/src/crypto.c:864: undefined reference to `P_SETP'
crypto.o: In function `compromise':
/home/mjarvis/p1/src/crypto.c:1044: undefined reference to `P_SETP'
/home/mjarvis/p1/src/crypto.c:1052: undefined reference to `P_SETP'
crypto.o: In function `signkey':
/home/mjarvis/p1/src/crypto.c:1202: undefined reference to `P_SETP'
crypto.o:/home/mjarvis/p1/src/crypto.c:1351: more undefined references
to
`P_SETP' follow
mpilib.o: In function `mp_udiv':
/home/mjarvis/p1/src/mpilib.c:392: undefined reference to `P_ROTL'
/home/mjarvis/p1/src/mpilib.c:395: undefined reference to `P_SUBB'
mpilib.o: In function `mp_recip':
/home/mjarvis/p1/src/mpilib.c:429: undefined reference to `P_ROTL'
/home/mjarvis/p1/src/mpilib.c:431: undefined reference to `P_SUBB'
mpilib.o: In function `mp_mod':
/home/mjarvis/p1/src/mpilib.c:517: undefined reference to `P_ROTL'
/home/mjarvis/p1/src/mpilib.c:519: undefined reference to `P_SUBB'
mpilib.o: In function `mp_mult':
/home/mjarvis/p1/src/mpilib.c:662: undefined reference to `P_ROTL'
/home/mjarvis/p1/src/mpilib.c:664: undefined reference to `P_ADDC'
mpilib.o: In function `mp_dmul':
/home/mjarvis/p1/src/mpilib.c:1230: undefined reference to `P_SMULA'
mpilib.o: In function `stage_smith_modulus':
/home/mjarvis/p1/src/mpilib.c:1588: undefined reference to `P_SETP'
/home/mjarvis/p1/src/mpilib.c:1616: undefined reference to `p_setrecip'
/home/mjarvis/p1/src/mpilib.c:1617: undefined reference to `P_SETP'
mpilib.o: In function `smith_modmult':
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Mike Jarvis
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Randall Parker)
Subject: Re: boot without fsck?
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 14:43:45 -0700
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
says...
> Subject: Re: boot without fsck?
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Burrow)
> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc
>
> On Sun, 1 Aug 1999 13:27:18 -0700,
> Randall Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >If you mount a hard drive read-only then could you put tmp and other
> >things that need to be writeable on a different partition?
>
> Absolutely. Be sure /etc is on a writeable partition, or mtab won't get
> updated.
I get it.
>
> >What would be clever would be to make all the temporary writeable files
> >(eg swap file) go on a partition that was writeable. Then put the OS on a
> >read only partition. Then have the OS on boot-up go and even reformat the
> >writeable partition if it had gotten corrupted.
>
> Linux router disks boot from a diskette and create a ramdisk from files
> stored on the floppy. If the server crashes, a complete recovery can be
> made by just power cycling.
Smart idea.
I'm looking for ideas for how to make servers less likely to corrupt when
the OS crashes or there is an unexpected power outage. The problem is
very similar to the problem of using Linux in embedded applications.
>
> >Could one even use this sort of strategy on a normal Linux server that
> >you needed to have always be rebootable after an OS crash or power
> >failure.
>
> Yep. Most distros need to be cleaned up some, since they write to the
> root filesystem, /usr and other places that should really be read only
> by default. Only /var, /tmp and /home need be writeable -- /etc
> sometimes for administrative purposes.
So correct me if I'm wrong: One could make Linux far more resistant to OS
partition corruption after unexpected crash/shutdown by making an
distribution that gave you the option during install to choose to have a
whole bunch of these writeable directories placed on a different
partition?
Couldn't it then even have the ability during boot-up to detect that this
"scratchpad" writeable temp file partition is corrupt, try to repair it,
and if it can't be repaired then to automatically (or semi-automatically
depending on the options you choose) reconstruct the partition that holds
writeable temporary files?
It seems like this could be set up so that, unless the partition that
contains only readable files corrupts (which should be a very rare event
involving hard disk media problems) Linux should always be able to
reboot.
You do get into the issue of where to place various config files that do
get occasionally written to. It doesn't seem smart to put them on the
partition that has all the spool and tmp directories since you don't want
to lose your OS config just because something is being written to a tmp
directory when the OS crashes.
If these various config files (eg SERVICES for TCP/IP, info about dial-up
access, etc) are small then they could be put on their own partition.
>
>
>
> --
> William Burrow -- New Brunswick, Canada o
> Copyright 1999 William Burrow ~ /\
> ~ ()>()
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Linux and NT on one system....help!!!
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 20:36:04 GMT
I had Windows NT installed on my system. I installed Redhat linux 6.0
on the same system. But lilo gave me an error message during the
installation process when I tried to include the NT partition in the
boot sequence. So I omitted it for now. How can I setup the computer
now so I can boot both systems. I have linux running now and it's
working great of course. But I need to run NT sometimes. What should I
do?
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From: "gus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: users can't mount cdrom
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 18:35:19 -0400
I ain't the big linux expert, but as a Net Admin in a corporate environment
with 150+ users, there are arguable reasons for making it difficult to
freely use CD-ROMs:
1. Software piracy - not so much an issue with OSS, but a BIG issue in the
Windoze world if some vendor catches you. Remember Xtree? When Joe
HomeUser brings his favorite apps from home, he puts the entire organization
at risk.
2. Got any idea how hard it is to maintain 100+ PCs, no two of which are
configured the same way??? Lotsa organizations won't put CD-Roms on client
PCs for this reason. They set a standard setup of approved (& licensed )
software...
I'm not trying to start a flame war - I just think that the guys who
distribute linux might be leaning in the above direction when setting the
defaults.
The good thing about Linux is that you can make it work any way you want by
writing scripts. I do not, however, know of any way to switch CDs without
having to umount the old one & mount the new one...
It doesn't seem so strange to me; you have to do the same thing on a Netware
server.
Mostly, I've found that, at work & at home, the CD is used mostly for
installing software...
There might be some clever software somewhere that monitors the CD drive, to
see if you put in a new CD... You might want to poke through whatever
"Jukebox" source you can find & learn how they do it...
Jeff Greer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:37a9ab35.44553265@news-server...
> Hello,
>
> Why can I only mount the cdrom drive as root?
>
> here is /etc/fstab
>
> /dev/scd0 /mnt/cdrom iso9660
> noauto,ro,user 0 0
>
> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root users 37672 Oct 6 1998 /bin/mount
> brwxrwxrwx 1 root users 11, 0 May 5 1998 /dev/scd0
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 guest users 4 Mar 26 04:23 /dev/cdrom
> -> scd0
>
>
> Shouldn't this be automatically setup by mainstream linux
> distros? Linux will be useless as an OS for the desktop as long
> as braindead problems like this exist. Linux sure needs a set of
> desktop standards.
>
> I like Linux, but setting up some things is a complete waste of
> time. I am not interested in knowing how to make my cdrom
> mountable by guests. There should be a standard script to handle
> this.
> --
> Jeff Greer
> B.S. computer science, University of MO - Rolla
> --------------------------------------------------
> Windows NT has crashed,
> I am the Blue Screen of Death,
> No one hears your screams...
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From: bruce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: !! password in /etc/shadow
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 15:02:09 -0400
When I create an account, but do not specify a password, !! is placed in
the password field of /etc/shadow. I plan on using samba with domain
authentication, so users don't need a "real" password on the linux
server. They cannot login with no password. What does !! stand for. If
it's safe, I would like to leave it.
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From: "Art S. Kagel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Database program
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 16:44:27 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Is there a linux equivalent to Access or SQL ?
Only:
mSQL
MySQL
PostGreSQL
Informix
Oracle
Sybase
Interbase
Yard SQL
Solid Server
AdaBase
and many many more.
Art S. Kagel
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From: "A.T.Z." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: guaranteed annual income
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 23:53:05 +0200
Jo schreef:
> The both of you are talking about two different social systems. Social
> security in countries like Holland and Belgium is totally different from
> social security in the States,
>
Tried to explain, he just won't listen.
> Jo
>
> Richard Kulisz wrote:
> >
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, A.T.Z. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >In The Netherlands (here) nobody has to die because he or she doesn't have
> > >a job. To many people without jobs are complaining about their situation
> > >and they don't do a single thing to get a real job. I don't think I have
> >
> > If people are dying in a tidal wave, are you gonna complain they didn't
> > "do a single thing to get" to higher ground?
> >
> > >an attitude problem. If a person has good health and he or she can work,
> > >he or she has to do everything to get a real job. For people who do not
> >
> > And this "everything", does it involve organ selling, pushing drugs, or
> > prostitution?
> >
> > >succeed in getting a job social security should provide an income. Our
> > >government has the policy that those people who don't want to find a job
> >
> > And you determine this how? "Hmmm, I don't think I like your face ..."
> >
> > >get less money from social security. You can't compare the situation in
> > >countries the way you do, some people would call it their culture and you
> > >could really insult them with what you're saying.
> >
> > So your proposed solution is to beat people. If they aren't sufficiently
> > obsequious then you whip them until they are.
> >
> > Helping people get jobs is possible, but it takes a lot of money; a
> > hell of a lot more money than the pittance "welfare" gives people.
> > So on the one hand, you're complaining about people being on welfare
> > but the only reason they're on welfare is because you're a selfish
> > stingy rat bastard.
> >
> > >> The answer to your question is: you're the "loser," a "man" whose
> > >> morals are still those of that first creature to drop from the tree
> > >> and walk upright on the ground.
> > >
> > >Do you really want to insult me for my opinion?? And yes I would be a
> > >loser if I was paying to much tax.
> >
> > He's not insulting you for your opinion, he's pointing out that you're
> > an inhuman immoral creature with no empathy whatsoever for the plight
> > of your fellows. And by attaching so much importance to your own petty
> > selfish interests, you prove it.
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From: "Art S. Kagel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: IDE vs scsi?
Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 13:06:36 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Art S. Kagel" wrote:
>
> Rod Smith wrote:
> >
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > "Duy D." wrote:
> > >
> > >> I'm considering to buy a scsi disk to install Linux on. When i do
> > >> hdparm -t /dev/hda on my ide disk, it reads about 15 mb/s most of the
> > >> time. Can somebody give me a number on the fastest scsi disk? Thanks.
> > >
> > > I use a Seagate Barracuda LVD 9.1GB model # ST39173LW it is capable of
> > > 80MB/s and works great.
> >
> > I doubt that very much. I also doubt the 40MB/s figure somebody else
> > quoted. Those are both limits for particular implementations of SCSI
> > busses. Real-world hard disk transfer speeds are almost always
> > substantially lower than the hard disk bus speed. You achieve bus speed
> > saturation only when using several devices or when transferring data
> > to/from the hard disk's cache.
>
> That's what I used to think. Then someone pointed out to me that a 10,000 RPM
> drive with 35 sectors per cylinder on average (entirely possible with even one
> high density platter/head and easy with 2 or more) is capable of reading 170MB
> per second! Even a 7200 RPM drive can do > 120MB/sec! Do the math! Also I
> checked out the spec sheets for those new SCSI drives. They all claim sustained
> read transfer rates in excess of 70MB/sec.
Oh D**M! And I was a Math major, Mr. Rabinowitz would kill me! Had that
problem all through high school, losing units, signs, etc. Sorry. Even
so that works out to ~3MB/sec and as others have pointed out modern drives
have many more than 35 sectors per track and many more than one
platter/head. Also my note about checking out the spec sheet is still
valid. So the point is still made, many of the best SCSI drives out there
claim 40-80MB/sec sustained throughput which is, alone, sufficient to
saturate a SCSI bus and an EIDE bus, at 33MHZ, cannot even come close to
allowing the drive to run flat out!
Art S. Kagel
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robert Rehrl)
Subject: Clone a harddisk
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 19:40:38 GMT
Hello!
we have a SUSE 6.1 Internet- and E-Mail- Server (P166; IDE-Harddisk
8,4 GB) installed. To be save from a total breakdown, we need to clone
the actual state of the harddisk. Does Anybody know any tools to do
this?
Thanks ...
cu
Robert
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Cameron L. Spitzer)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Must root and swap partitions be primary?
Date: 4 Aug 1999 22:09:22 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Hankel O'Fung wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>1) Must the root partition and the swap partition be primary partitions?
No. They can be anywhere. The BIOS does not have to be able to see them.
However, your boot files (bzImage, message, map, chain.b) have to be
where BIOS can see them.
>Can they be logical partitions?
Yes. Swap can be a file on your MSDOS partition. Performance hit for that,
though.
>
>2) Given that I have only one IDE hdd with a primary DOS partition and
>an extended DOS partition on it. If both linux partitions mentioned in
>(1) must be primary, does it mean that I cannot create any linux
>extended/logical partitions (since 2 DOS partitions + 2 linux partitions
>= 4 partitions already attain the 4-partition limit)?
>
>Thanks.
>
>Cheers, Hankel
>
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