Linux-Misc Digest #291, Volume #20 Fri, 21 May 99 15:13:09 EDT
Contents:
Re: Communism dosn't even exist, never did... (Robert Washburne)
Re: New Star office for glibc 2.1 (Peter Englmaier)
Re: NT the best web platform? (Marc Slemko)
Re: The Vi Lovers Home Page (Aqeel Mahesri)
Re: New cable modem means I have a lot to learn (ByteMe)
Re: Upgrading from kernel 2.0.36 (RH 5.2) (Salman Ahmed)
Re: SETI comparisons (John Girash)
Re: [?] GNOME + KDE applications (Ewald R. de Wit)
Re: Partiton Problem With RedHat 5.2 (Sod Enfopol98)
Re: Kernel 2.2.3 mystery (Unclebob)
Install help: HD BIOS cylinder 4092 limit. (Abe Lin)
Re: Journaling Filesystem Anyone? (Christopher Browne)
Re: Registry in Linux ??? (Christopher Browne)
Re: Linux Book (Christopher Browne)
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From: Robert Washburne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Communism dosn't even exist, never did...
Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 12:54:01 -0400
Sod Enfopol98 wrote:
>
> Robert Washburne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> decided to put finger to keyboard
> on the Thu, 20 May 1999 16:34:51 -0400. In doing so, they felt we
> would all like to know:
>
> >There appear to be only three models in the world;
> >1) Marketable Commodity, where you are free to sell your services to
> >whomever. This whould include entrepaneurship where you hire yourself as
> >a farmer, painter, etc.
>
> Called 'whoring' in certain circumstances. Media whores being the most
> repulsive example.
No argument with the example. Although some folks might take offence
for the farmer who works hard to grow wheat and then trades some of his
surplus for a pig being called a whore for selling his labors.
>
> >2) Serf/slave, where you are told what you will do. This is the model
> >used by socialist/communist(alleged)/feudal/dictatorship systems.
>
> I didn't even have to check your addy or message pathway to see that
> you were an american... only americans tend to associate socialism
> with Leninist/Stalinist communism...
Sorry, bad typological stucture. The slash was intended to indicate a
collection, not association, as in "these are all economic systems". I
thought at the time I typed it that it might be mistaken for association
(socialism=communism), but decided that the collection was so diverse
and so obviously NOT equated that noone would make that mistake. I have
long since given up on trying to make things fool-proof as nature will
always provide a superior fool. ;-) (take note, Spock. Language, like
logic, is inately contextual).
I still stand by the original statement which is that under the DIVERSE
systems of socialism/communism/fudalism/dictatorships/etc. the lowest
rungs of the social ladder do not have the freedom to choose their lot
in life or the mobility to improve it.
>
> >3) Unusable. Noone tells you what to do and noone hires you. Could be
> >because you are independantly wealthy, the head of a "2)" form of
> >government or just don't have anything of value to offer.
>
> Liberal socialism? Generally referred to as 'anarchism' - but anarchy
> merely being the absence of the State, as opposed to the common spin
> of a system of violent lawlessness.
I agree, these labels don't appear to aply here. I wasn't sure what
label did, so I coined "unusable". Perhaps "drone"?
>
> >> I can see how a car is a product, but i cannot percieve of myself as
> >> such.
> >
> >Perception is one thing. The human mind is quite adept at "putting a
> >spin" on reality. The important question is which of the above three
> >models do you fall fit into. Having answered that, you know have the
> >ability to rationally plot your future.
> >
> >Don't worry about being manipulated or exploited. You will be.
> >Guarenteed.
>
> Hell, even as a little child i could figure out that the only way
> someone could get rich was by charging people more than the product
> they were selling was worth, and paying less than the work was worth.
Don't see why that is a requirement. Karl Marx wrote that wonderfull
little example about how the furniture maker made a chair that was
"worth" so much, but how under capitalism it had to be sold for more in
order to make a profit. But what Karl didn't take into account were the
concepts of "value add" and "market demand".
The down home example is linux. It is free for the taking off of the
Internet. Yet these "whoring" companies like Red Hat have the
unmittigated gaul to charge $40 for that which is free. This is truely
evil UNLESS you put some value into
1) The collection of all the required files into one set.
2) The burning of a CD so that I don't have to download.
3) The scripts which take care of putting everything in the right place.
4) The book.
5) and so on...
It is this "value add" which I gladly pay for.
Back to the chair. I might be able to pay exactly "what it is worth"
for it at the factory, but what if it isn't close by? What is it worth
for someone to collect chairs from different factories from around the
world and bring them someplace convienient to me? I happily pay
WalMart, Tesco, etc. for that value add.
And what about "market demand"? How does Karl determine just what that
chair was worth? In a simplistic model you could say that it was worth
the materials and the labor. But on a desert island both of these
things are free. Why is gold worth more than sand? Why does one worker
command a different wage than another? There are local perturbances
(this is SPECIAL sand, the company that hires is stupid...) but for the
overall population the values are determined by demand.
The bottom line is that something or someone is "worth" exactly what
others are willing to pay. No more and no less.
>
> Yet far too many politicos seem incapable of grasping something so
> obvious...
Or grasp it fully well, but have different personal agendas. -=<CYNIC
ALERT>=-
>
> You cannot have a capitalist system and have a system that is fair.
Which is why it is the best system out there.
People talk about being "fair" as if it were something desireable. It
is not. The world is not fair; little mice get eaten by strong owls,
vulcanos kill and destroy, floods devistate, the sun burns and the ice
freezes. Take it up with the owner.
What is desireable is a system, such as regulated capitalism, where
there is an opportunity for anyone to succeed OR fail. You cannot have
one without the other.
>
> >> But then again, i never was a good little communist.
> >
> >It's a human trend. The Pilgrims tried to set up a cummunist state when
> >they came to America in 1620---all were to share equally in the
> >harvest. But they were not good little communists and slacked off
> >figuring that they would get the grain whether they worked the fields or
> >not. Bottom line: bad harvest, winter of starvation with close to half
> >of the population dieing. They changed to capitalism the next year with
> >everyone responcible for their own food.
>
> Whoops... i should have said capitalist - the only system where the
> powerful get to shit on the little people, and yet the little people
> willingly subscribe to it because occassionally one of them gets to
> become one of the big people (and therefore shit on other people)...
Whoops, caught you on that one! _EVERY_ system of economics allows for
the powerful to crap on the little people. Soviet socialism was just as
bad, if not worse, as turn-of-the-century monopolistic capitalism.
The only difference, in this respect, is 1) the mobility of the people
so that the little person can become a big person and 2) the freedom for
the big person NOT to take a dump if they don't want to (e.g. Thomas
Watson, Sr.)
>
> Also the only system where i am not a person, i am a tradeable
> product.
Caught you again! You are not a person under _ANY_ economic system.
Economic systems are not concerned with "humanity". You are a person
under the arts, religion and sociology. Not economics. From the
standpoint of economic models you are, as listed above, either 1)a
commodity, 2)a slave or 3)a drone. You can philosophise as to the
reletive honorability of such things, but since economics is being
isolated from the humanities for this study, such things are best viewed
with clinical detatchment.
This is not saying you cannot be a person under these systems. You
cannot have a society which doesn't have arts, humanities, religion,
economy, etc. Only that the economy is not that area of society where
humanity is experianced.
>
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>
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>
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Disclaimer: I speak for myself, alone. Go get your own opinions!
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From: Peter Englmaier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: New Star office for glibc 2.1
Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 22:59:23 -0400
I didn't say it's impossible. I run 5.0 in RH6.0 using
the trick I posted here. Somebody else posted a way
to install SO by patching the binaries. I downloaded
that, because I thought it would fix my problem as
well, but than I could not print. My fix allows you
to print but not install. Without print, staroffice
would be pretty useless for me. Somebody else again
posted a way to fix the print problem with a statically
linked bash. My fix avoids this extra trouble.
Charles E Taylor IV wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Peter Englmaier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Nada. Still based on the old glibc....
>
> I *have* heard (on Slashdot) of people running it on RH6 with success,
> however.
>
> --
> --------------------------------------------------------
> Charles E Taylor IV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> --------------------------------------------------------
> Visit me on the web!
> http://orangesherbert.ces.clemson.edu
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From: Marc Slemko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: NT the best web platform?
Date: 21 May 1999 16:39:24 GMT
In <7i16ff$c2j$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hascall) writes:
>Marc Slemko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>}[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Benoit Goudreault-Emond) writes:
>}>Then again, NT caches files as well, so the OS cache should be about
>}>equivalent.
>}In fact, the OS is really the thing that knows the best about caching and
>}that is by far best suited to cache things.
>}In more complex and more real world situations, when you have to
>}have a balance between various uses of memory, larger data sets, etc.
>}that is what a good VM system does for you. In addition, it lets you
>}more easily (in some cases) avoid copys when doing IO if it is from
>}kernel memory to the network.
> Well, on 'any decent' system there is scant difference between
> pages cached by the buffer cache and pages the application
> has cache (e.g., in malloc'd or mmap'd space).
Incorrect. If it is in the kernel's memory then it can, aside from
being shared, also do copy avoidance in some situations on some platforms.
That can be a real win in some situations.
> The difference being you save time and cycles if the app
> caches it because the OS has to do less work (e.g. path
> chasing, access checking, etc).
Not really if you already have the descriptor open.
>}Now, you still can use a cache (eg. file descriptor cache), but caching
>}the data isn't necessarily the thing to do.
> FD caching (esp, if the underlying I/O system is good)
> may well get you most of the way there.
> However, in my profiling of my modified version of
> thttpd, I discovered that the hot spots were all
> essentially loops like:
> for (fd = 0; fd < maxfd; ++fd) {
> /* do something */
> }
> so keeping maxfd's down seems like 'a good thing'.
You need to have both an OS that can handle large numbers of
open descriptors in a process efficiently (many don't yet) and be
sure your application deals with it well.
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From: Aqeel Mahesri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Vi Lovers Home Page
Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 23:36:02 -0700
Sorry about dissing Vi, guys. I've only used it about twice (from that impression I
thought it sucked), but I just thought it would be fun to start an emacs vs. vi
flame war.
However, I do use emacs a lot, and have a favorable impression of it. Also, on a
P2-400, emacs is NOT slow.
Aqeel Mahesri wrote:
> All of our CS course readers' reference sections on emacs begin:
> "In the interests of truth, beauty, and justice -- and to undo, in some small
> part, the damage Berkeley has done by foisting vi on an already-unhappy world --
> Emacs will be the official CS(course number) text editor this semester."
>
> UC Berkeley has unofficially appologized for the creation of the
> not-much-better-than-Windows-Notepad editor vi. Why do people still keep using
> it?
Windows notepad doesn't give line numbers.
>
>
> "Thomer M. Gil" wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Please visit the Vi Lovers Home Page. Vi is *the* editor under Unix, Windows
> > 95/98/NT and many other operating systems.
> >
> > The Vi Lovers Home Page:
> > http://www.cs.vu.nl/~tmgil/vi/vi.html
> >
> > The Vi Lovers Home Page contains much Vi related info and links to:
> > - Many downloadable Vi versions for a large range of operating systems,
> > - Vi FAQs,
> > - Tutorials,
> > - FTP sites,
> > - jokes and the like,
> > - and much more.
> >
> > The Vi Lovers Home Page:
> > http://www.cs.vu.nl/~tmgil/vi/vi.html
> >
> > Thomer M. Gil
PS Anyone here like to program in Smalltalk?
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From: ByteMe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: New cable modem means I have a lot to learn
Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 00:48:46 -0700
Steve Snyder wrote:
> The good news: after years of dithering my cable TV provider is providing
> Internet access. The bad news: I need to quickly get up to speed on
> everything needed to provide Internet access to my whole LAN via the cable
> modem.
>
> My simple LAN consists of a server running RedHat v5.2 (updated to kernel
> v2.2.x and glibc v2.1) and 10 clients (running Win95, Win98 and OS/2) all
> running on the same subnet. Name resolution is done via an identical hosts
> file on each system. The server does not provide Internet access to the
> clients.
>
> I do not intend to run any additional local services (mail, Web, news, etc.)
> at this time. I just want my LANs server to pass packets between the client
> machines and the cable modem.
>
> With the imminent arrival of my cable modem I quickly need info on:
>
> 0. My ISP will provide a dynamically-allocated IP address. Does that mean I
> need to configure my server for DHCP? All the client system will continue
> to have static addresses.
>
> 1. Supporting a 2nd NIC in my server. Having Linux recognize both NICs is
> a no-brainer, but how do I configure it to communicate only with the cable
> modem? (The 1st NIC will remain connected to the hub, of course.)
>
> 2. IP Masquerading?
>
> 3. Firewall? Up to now I haven't had to think much about security, since
> the LAN doesn't have direct Internet access. Now that we'll be constantly
> connected, I'm wondering if I need a firewall. I have an older machine that
> I could use solely as a firewall if needed.
>
> Any information, or pointers to info, on these topics would be gratefully
> received.
>
> Thank you.
>
> ***** Steve Snyder *****
Be extremely concerned about security when connected via a cable modem.
do not run telnetd if you don't need it.
set up a dedicated firewal/GW and or Proxy machine and use ip_masq.
strip the machine down to as few services as posible to start ( it's called
bastion host )
no ftp, http ,telnet, tty , finger , netstat, whois or ping services.
( crond even has a hole )
some important files to pay attention too are /etc/hosts.deny, hosts.allow,
hosts
take complete control over these files and others , such as chmod , su , chgrp,
chown , login ,
passwd , etc.
if you strip the services (and know how to maintain the box manualy ) you can
take control of the /bin , /etc dir's so that no one else can see or execute
them ( the machine will still run just fine ) to do this ( chmod -R
o-rwx,g-rwx /bin /etc ) check your documentation befor you do this for the
correct syntax for your machine & MAKE A BACKUP first on these directories
somewhere else on the hard drive , if you screw it up you'll be locked
completely out of the machine ( hense the security aspect of doing this ) and
you will probably have to rebuild you system.
do some reading befor you go nuts on your machine , But I promise you , you
will be hacked through the cable modem if you don't pay attention to security
!!!
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From: Salman Ahmed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Upgrading from kernel 2.0.36 (RH 5.2)
Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 00:03:35 -0400
CSRA wrote:
> I have (had) a redhat 5.2 system and that exact soundcard and it worked for
> me.
Me too. I finally did get it working. However, I had to use the ALSA drivers
with which I was having a problem. Someone was kind enough to send me
detailed instructions on which ALSA driver files to try and how to install them.
After that, sound worked like a charm. Funny thing is that now that the sound
card is configured, I don't use it that much!
> > What about building a new kernel on your own, by using YOUR "own special
> > configuration" ??? ;-))
> > Maybe your card isn't supported by the original kernel....
The 2.0.36 kernel that came with RH5.2 has support for the
PCI128 (Ensoniq AudioPCI 1371 sound module, I think), but for some reason
I couldn't get it to work without installing the ALSA drivers.
Thanks.
--
Salman S. Ahmed
ssahmed AT interlog DOT com
Remove the "nospam." portion from my email address
to reply to this message.
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From: John Girash <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: SETI comparisons
Date: 21 May 1999 00:03:05 -0500
Chester Raffoon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Caveat: The Linux setiathome is version 1.1, the Win32 app is version 1.0.
: Maybe there's a major internal difference? I dunno, but the difference in
: the throughput here is astounding, so much so that it is suspicious. NT is
: not the brainchild of Bill Gates, but rather David Cutler, and you VAX/VMS
: fossils out there (me included) know that this guy is no dope when it comes
: to OS design ... something about the Win32 setiathome code is just not
: right. I've emailed the setiathome folks with my results, no response so
: far. No "Microsoft simply sucks, you blind dumbass" flames please.
: This is certainly an interesting processor & operating system test. Take my
: advice - don't try it on your old Pentium laptop ... it takes over a _week_
: to run!
My guess'd be that it's a difference in compilers and/or optimisation that's
causing the big discrepency as opposed to just the OS's themselves.
jg
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ewald R. de Wit)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: [?] GNOME + KDE applications
Date: 21 May 1999 08:46:02 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Francisco Cribari wrote:
>I have just upgraded from RH 5.2 to 6.0 (intel) and I am running
>Linux w/ GNOME. I am having a couple of problems.
>
>1) I have also installed all of the KDE RPMs from the RH CD. However,
>when I try to open some of the KDE applications (under GNOME), they
>crash. Some work (e.g., xdvi), but the icons are messed up. For
>example, when I try to open kmail, I get the following error:
>
>[cribari@edgeworth cribari]$ kmail
>We are starting normaly
>ERROR: cannot load bitmap /opt/kde/share/apps/kmail/pics/stopwatch.xbm
you have KDEDIR set to /opt/kde which is wrong here; for RH6.0 you need
to set it too /usr
--
-- Ewald
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sod Enfopol98)
Subject: Re: Partiton Problem With RedHat 5.2
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 04:08:40 GMT
notbob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> decided to put finger to keyboard on the
Wed, 19 May 1999 23:37:41 GMT. In doing so, they felt we would all
like to know:
>If you already had a partition created to put RH in, then that is your
>problem. Linux must create it's own partition with it's own fdisk or
>diskdruid software. You need unused HDD space, which is not
>partitioned, to make a Linux partition. You can not put a linux on a
>partition created with another OS.
Not strictly true.
You can set-up an ext2 partition on a primary with PQMagic v4.0, and
then merely tell disk druid to address it as "/".
Although from experience, you can only get 4 primaries onto a drive.
RedHat5.2 tends to come with the 2.0.x kernel which can't recognise
FAT32s, but can recognise FAT16s.
As to his specific problem - buy a second hard-drive. Running 4
seperate O/Ss off of one drive is crazy.
If you're determined on installing both flavours of NT (why??? NTs bad
enough, but to inflict on yourself twice over), then have the first
hard-drive with Win98 installed down at the start of the drive on a
FAT32 and then have a Linux ext2 above it, for your "/" mount point,
another Linux ext2 above that (also on a primary - nothing you can do
about it i'm afraid) and give that whatever mount point you feel like
("/usr"???), create a Linux Swap (which also sits on a primary
partition). Then set-up LILO as you like on this drive.
Install NT on the second-drive and that way you won't have to even
concern LILO with it. To choose which drive you boot from at a session
merely switch the drive that's called first in your BIOS.
Hmm.. quick thought. Linux can address FAT16s, so would it be possible
to have ext2's as logicals on a FAT16 primary, and set mount points on
these logicals?
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From: Unclebob <unclebob@this-ain't-it.net>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Kernel 2.2.3 mystery
Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 18:26:17 +0000
"Martin A. Boegelund" wrote:
> Experience is obtained by trying -
> ignoranrance by laughing at those who try.
> Mr Sparkle - Aka Martin A. Boegelund
> -Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> -Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
My own experience, too close to the truth to laugh.
--
ub
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From: md5�ϼs�[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Abe Lin)
Subject: Install help: HD BIOS cylinder 4092 limit.
Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 08:55:48 GMT
Houston, we got a problem:
system: P75+AMI BIOS+New Maxtor 10Gig.(C:H:S 19390:16:63)
Seems like BIOS's too old. Won't boot if Cylinder number in CMOS is
over 4092.
And If I just write 4092 in BIOS, Redhat installation disks
(diskuid/fdisk) would just use that and believes it's a small 2 Gig
HD.
What should I do to save the *wasted* 8 gig?
Kind of ashamed of this. Been running Redhat on a 486 for a couple
of years...
Thanks, guys.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: Journaling Filesystem Anyone?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 04:16:02 GMT
On Thu, 20 May 1999 09:32:18 +0200, Rene Bauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Michael Segulja wrote:
>> What exactly is a journaling file system? I remember reading an interview
>> with Linus Torvalds, and he mentioned this being one of the big things in
>> upcoming kernel versions. From what I understand, all the major versions of
>> Unix do it (SGI, Sun, etc.), so it makes sense for Linux to have it,
>> according to Linus.
>>
>> Just some info floating around in my head!
>
>As a matter of fact SGI has just announced that they will license there
>own journaling filesystem XFS as Open Source. Full story at:
>http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,36807,00.html?st.ne.fd.tohhed.ni
General idea of journalling is that updates are first "spewed" out to a
journal data structure on disk before being treated as true updates to
the filesystem.
Essentially, you lay down the changes, and a process comes back a little
later and establishes linkages to make that data that is already on disk
into part of the data that is addressable.
This may improve speed of updates overall.
It has the *really important* effect that supposing the system goes down
uncleanly (e.g. - you shut down while updates are outstanding), the
"fsck" process to re-establish consistency of the filesystem becomes
*much* quicker, and supposing a bunch of updates were queued up before
the system went down, they may even be set up to continue updating after
the system comes back up.
Journalling isn't a big deal if you've got small disks, but if you have
600 GB, you really don't want to have to run e2fsck on all of that...
--
"Linux: the operating system with a CLUE... Command Line User
Environment". (seen in a posting in comp.software.testing)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: Registry in Linux ???
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 04:16:16 GMT
On Thu, 20 May 1999 16:26:43 +0200, Selious
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>"Lumping configuration data, security data, kernel tuning parameters,
>>etc. into one monstrous fragile binary data structure is really dumb."
>
>But can be the difference between linux and LINUX !!
Obviously so...
--
"Linux: the operating system with a CLUE... Command Line User
Environment". (seen in a posting in comp.software.testing)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: Linux Book
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 04:16:16 GMT
On Thu, 20 May 1999 22:23:42 +0200, W.M.Crielaard
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I have quite some experience (certifications) in networking with Novell
>Netware, Citrix producs and... I hardly dare to say...
>Micro-you-know-what products
>
>Im gonna buy a book on Linux, because it looks like a lot more fun.
>Anyone to disagree?
>
>So, specialists, what book should I buy to get into Linux?
In terms of Linux-specific books, one of the better ones is "Running
Linux," by Matt Welsh (and some other co-author in the latest version),
published by O'Reilly.
It provides "useful overview" material on a diverse set of services,
utilities, and applications.
It generally provides enough material to allow you to:
a) Do something fairly small that's useful,
b) Figure out if you care about that facility,
c) Find out where to look for more info if you want to know more.
As such, it is *not* comprehensive, but it *is* useful to help show the
scope/breadth of the sorts of things you can do with Linux.
Methinks that goes along well with the "looks like a lot more fun"
comment.
There are other more "comprehensive" books, that unfortunately tend to
be out of date quite quickly.
Look also at <ULINK URL="http://www.linuxpress.com"> Linux Press
</ULINK>; they have a book <Ulink URL=
"http://www.linuxpress.com/0-9659575-2-7.html"> LINUX Volume 1: ac to
zcat - the basics, </Ulink > a book with an approach based on a
well-known and well-liked book on Coherent, a PC-based UNIX-like
operating system that probably was effectively "buried" by the advent of
Linux.
--
"...very few phenomena can pull someone out of Deep Hack Mode, with two
noted exceptions: being struck by lightning, or worse, your *computer*
being struck by lightning." -- By Matt Welsh
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