Linux-Misc Digest #349, Volume #20 Tue, 25 May 99 22:13:12 EDT
Contents:
Re: Linux Books (David A. Rogers)
new 2.2.5 Kernel (Giuseppe Pittavini)
Re: Using SCO object files under Linux (NF Stevens)
Re: wtf is the enlightenment logo? (NF Stevens)
How to Stay Online - ISP Kicks my off during inactivity (Jason Bond)
Re: A Simple Question ("J�rgen Exner")
Re: Auto-update RPMs? (James Lee)
Re: Bart or Lisa could keep the family running Linux (brian moore)
Re: Road Runner Customer User Agreement Violation - Using Alternative Operating
Systems ("elliottb")
Re: A Capitalists view of freedom (Kenneth P. Turvey)
G200? ("Chris Knapp")
Printer Drivers ("Chocolate Moose")
Re: Increase Swap size ? ("D. Vrabel")
Help with LPR printing! (Jason)
Re: how to kill a dead process? ("John Burton")
Free Software Bazaar --Digest-- (Axel Boldt)
Re: Use of memory (M van Oosterhout)
Re: A Capitalists view of freedom
The best audio denoise for linux (David A. Rogers)
Re: Communism dosn't even exist, never did... (steve)
Re: A Capitalists view of freedom ("Chad Mulligan")
Re: Fun things to do with an extra linux box (coffee)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David A. Rogers)
Subject: Re: Linux Books
Date: 25 May 1999 23:27:01 GMT
On Mon, 24 May 1999 09:08:32 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> speaketh saying:
>Hi there,
>
>I wonder if anybody knows any simple introductory books on Basic Linux
>OS Administration.
You might also consider _A Practical Guide to Linux_ by Mark Sobell.
Administration is not it's main topic, but it's covered better than a lot of
other Linux intro books.
Cheers,
dar
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From: Giuseppe Pittavini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: new 2.2.5 Kernel
Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 17:16:27 -0700
I have a Yamaha cd-rw and an Acer cdrom 24x. Both cd drivers are
atapi EIDE drives. The cd-rw is set to be a slave, and the Acer is a
master. I was running RedHat 5.2 kernel 2.0.36 and it was able to
recognize both of my drives while booting, but since I upgraded to
RedHat 6.0 the new kernel 2.2.5 recognizes only my cd-rw in boot time
but not the cdrom. Any idea why this happens? Anybody has a similar
problem?
Thanks in advance
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (NF Stevens)
Subject: Re: Using SCO object files under Linux
Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 00:06:35 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>I'm trying to use a object file that was built under SCO. When I try to
>link the object to my objects developed under linux, I get a link error:
>
><sco_object>.o: file not recognized: File format not recognized
>collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
>
>Is there anyway to use the SCO object under linux? I have messed around
>with the iBCS and that seems to only be for binary compatibility not so
>much "object" compatibility. Would it be possible to use a SCO compiler
>to compile the project? If so, where might I get a hold of a SCO
>compiler?
>
>Any assistance would be appreciated.
You could try building gcc as a cross compiler. Looking
at the configure scripts various versions of sco seem
to be supported.
Norman
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (NF Stevens)
Subject: Re: wtf is the enlightenment logo?
Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 00:06:35 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (pikachu73) wrote:
>wats it suppose to be???
>
>a golf club with hair???
I suspect it's a zen like thing. You experience
enlightenment when you finally work out what
it is.
Norman
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From: Jason Bond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: How to Stay Online - ISP Kicks my off during inactivity
Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 16:50:53 -0700
Does anyone out there know of a program that automatically sends out a
packet every (specified) amount of time?
My damn ISP kicks me off if I'm inactive for something like 5
minutes....and it's starting to get annoying. I used to use Netprophet
for windows....is there something similiar for Linux? Thanks kindly,
Jason
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From: "J�rgen Exner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: A Simple Question
Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 17:30:23 -0700
Reply-To: "J�rgen Exner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:7if31n$ff5$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Ok...I've got one...I just want to delete all the files of a given type
> recursively through a subdirectory structure. For example - to make
> sure a build is 'fresh', I want to delete all the object (.obj) files
> from a tree structure and recompile.
> Any help?
Quite trivial:
find . -name '*.obj' -exec rm \{} \;
> (no, 'rm -rf *.obj' doesn't work nor does 'rm -rf *obj')
Well, those commands will remove all files in the CWD whose names end with
".obj" resp. "obj" plus all directories in the CWD whose names end with
".obj" resp. "obj" including their content (that's what the "-r" is about).
Why would you expect that the "*" would expand to any path/filename in a sub
directory?
jue
--
J�rgen Exner
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From: James Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Auto-update RPMs?
Date: 25 May 1999 09:43:49 -0500
Andrew Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: The primary reason that one might want to do this is for the security
: fixes. Personally, I don't rely on automated installation of RPMs, but
: I know people who have had good experiences with autorpm. It's
: basically a huge PERL script, and is highly configurable.
: Check out:
: http://lwn.net/lwn/980521/a/autorpm.html
I don't know, but it scares the hell out of me. Some things are very
critical, and if it is updated not in tandem with others, that can be
disaster. For example, I wouldn't want to mess with kernel headers,
modules, etc, unless I am really upgrading my kernel. When I installed
the rpms for kernel 2.2.5 and the required requisite rpms,
my 2.0.x broke when I reboot it just to see
what effect it had, so I had to go ahead and compile for 2.2.5.
Fortunately, I just kept my cool and slowly worked at it.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Subject: Re: Bart or Lisa could keep the family running Linux
Date: 26 May 1999 00:41:21 GMT
On Tue, 25 May 1999 19:32:10 GMT,
Gilles Pelletier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Gerald Willmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> �crivait/wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 25 May 1999, Gilles Pelletier wrote:
> >
> >> I certainly realize this. No later than yesterday, I was telling a
> >> friend that if you exclude Linux users who boot Windows by default,
> >> there might be no more than 100,000 linux users left.
> >
> >and I'm one of them - how nice.
>
> Indeed! And I'm glad to take your word for it: now I can say I know
> one of those rare birds. Still 99,999 to find. That's a lot.
You can find me on that list as well. Closest I have to Windows is a
DOS floppy in my desk drawer at work that has just enough to boot and
run '3c5x9', the 3Com network card configuration program (since we use
3Com NICs at work on the firewalls).
I personally know several other people who have as much to do with
Windows as I. They don't seem very hard to find and it's not like I
live in a big city.
> No doubt, this project wouldn't turn Homer Simpson into a hacker, but
> maybe Bart or Lisa could keep the family running Linux.
You haven't dealt with the 'real world' much, have you? One of our very
common tricks in dealing with Windows users is to ask if they have a
teenager. The call drops down from being a hour plus nightmare to, "you
just need to nuke and pave dialup networking" and the kid agrees and
does it.
Today's teens are tomorrow's Linux users.
--
Brian Moore | "The Zen nature of a spammer resembles
Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | a cockroach, except that the cockroach
Usenet Vandal | is higher up on the evolutionary chain."
Netscum, Bane of Elves. Peter Olson, Delphi Postmaster
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From: "elliottb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.fan.roadrunner,comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Road Runner Customer User Agreement Violation - Using Alternative
Operating Systems
Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 16:32:05 -0700
What does supported by mean? Usually it means if you have a problem you're
on your own, that's all. hacking would be a leap for them to claim. I
don't think they care what you use. You just got a form letter, not a
specific reply.
Eddie wrote in message <374a8915.229005@news-server>...
>My Road Runner account will be terminated shortly...here is the letter
>I will be mailing to Time Warner on Tuesday:
>
>[deleted address]
>Westerville, OH 43081
>May 24, 1999
>
>
>
>
>Terry O'Connell
>Time Warner Communications
>1266 Dublin Road
>Columbus, OH 43215
>
>Dear Mr. O'Connell:
>
>I was disappointed to learn from someone in your organization recently
>that I am violating the Customer User Agreement by using an
>unsupported operating system, BeOS for Intel. I have made
>arrangements to terminate my service from Time Warner, including cable
>and Road Runner. If Time Warner wishes to reconsider its position
>please send a written version of the amended Customer User Agreement
>to me at the address above. Here is a portion of an email I received
>from "Roadrunner Customer Support" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>"... At this time, the operating platforms which we support are:
>Windows 95, 98,
>and NT, and MacOS(excluding 8.5.x).
>
>In the end, accessing the Service using means not supplied by us is
>'hacking', and if discovered, can lead to suspension and/or
>termination of
>Service."
>
>Sincerely yours,
>
>
>
>Eddie Rowe
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kenneth P. Turvey)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: A Capitalists view of freedom
Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 13:48:00 -0500
[Please follow-up to poster and not the newgroup]
On 25 May 1999 03:34:18 GMT, Richard Kulisz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Yeah, tactical nuclear warheads and rocket-propelled grenades. Or were
>you thinking of something different? What do you plan to do when the
>tyrannical government you want to protect yourself from sends tanks to
>roll over you? What will you do against an Apache helicopter? What will
>you do against an elite commando unit?
>
>Any *sane* person knows they don't have a snowball's chance in hell.
Any *sane* person would understand that you don't have to win, you just
must make governing impossible. BTW, how do you think the war in
Afghanistan was won? Do you think they had stingers the whole time? You
can't build enough tanks to roll over a well armed populous.
>>Assault weapons were responsible for less than one tenth of one percent
>>of all the gun related homicides in this country when they were banned.
>
>You must be mistaken, they aren't banned!
You are correct; their importation is banned.
>>Trying to be sensible about gun control has lead to foolish laws and
>
>The problem is that nobody has tried to be sensible. Being sensible would
>mean that you ban all firearms of any kind except those owned by the cops
>and the military, and make the manufacture, import and export of firearms
>illegal. Experiments run in LA(?) show an immediate drop in homicide when
>gun laws are enforced.
Actually the experiments you refer to actually showed that searching
poor black men on the street and during traffic stops without cause
reduced crime. This isn't the kind of behavior I believe our country
should be engaged in.
>>that are poorly enforced. It is unfortunate that the supreme court has
>>allowed the erosion of the second amendment (and the fourth).
>
>>I do think an armed citizenship is not only positive but a requirement
>
>Then you don't think too well. An armed citizenry *cannot* withstand
>an organized army and anyone with more than a single functioning brain
>cell will tell you that. So instead of an armed citizenry, you must
>have a *dis*armed government.
Afghanistan. Again I note that winning isn't necessary. It is only
necessary to prevent the government from governing and it will die on
its own.
>>for sustaining a free society. I find it unfortunate that our children
>>will not have the guarantees that we did; that their children may not
>>have the rights that we do.
>
>The right to die in a violent homicide?
Every right we have has some cost in human life (believe it or not).
The right to bear arms is no different, nor more expensive than many of
the others. I believe the cost is worthwhile. If you would prefer to
live in a society that is as safe as possible, you will find that it is
requires doing away with the Bill of Rights completely.
--
Kenneth P. Turvey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
================= http://www.tranquility.net/~kturvey
The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The
pessimist fears it is true.
-- Robert Oppenheimer
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From: "Chris Knapp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: G200?
Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 20:44:40 -0400
Hello all,
I'm using RH5.2. Is support for the G200 included out of the box? I can't
seem to get X to work properly.
Thanks!
Chris
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From: "Chocolate Moose" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Printer Drivers
Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 18:25:02 -0400
Does anyone here know where I can find a printer driver for an NEC
SuperScript 100C for Linux? How about where I might go to look for one?
Chocolate "New to Linux" Moose
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From: "D. Vrabel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Increase Swap size ?
Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 23:07:47 +0100
On Mon, 24 May 1999, TurkBear wrote:
> Hi,
> Is it possible, post-install, to expand the swap file size...I have some free
> space that I would like to add to the /swap partition, but I can't figure out
> how...
look at the man pages for mkswap, swapon and fstab.
You can use these commands to create a new swap partition in addition to
your existing one.
If you want one big swap partition (can't think why) you can use swapoff
then delete the partition with fdisk and recreate as normal.
Do you need the swap space? You might like to keep the space free inase
you run out of space elsewhere.
David
--
David Vrabel
Engineering Undergraduate at University of Cambridge, UK.
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From: Jason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
linux.redhat.install,linux.redhat.misc,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Help with LPR printing!
Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 21:24:55 +0000
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
I'm running into some problems with my printer daemon. I was having
problems prior to recompiling my kernel, so I started from scratch
afterwards and used apsfilter and ghostscript. After running them, my
printer worked great! I was able to get color and formatting to print
correctly in all apps- applixware, netscape, etc. However, seemingly
overnight, my printer won't work at all! I can't even get a test ASCII
page to print directly to the port. Here are some of the error
messages:
1) When trying to print ASCII directly to port... "Can only print
directly to a LOCAL printer."
2) When trying to print either ASCII or postscript to lpr, it doesn't
do anything. I do an lpq, and there is nothing queued. However, when I
go into /var/spool/lpd/... there are the queued jobs! Why won't they
show when I do lpq, or in the RedHat printtool, or in klpq?
If anyone thinks they can help, I would be greatly appreciative. Here
are the specs on my box- RedHat 5.2, recompiled to kernel 2.2.7 with
SCSI support for ZIP drive. I *do* have two parallel ports, the second
just installed to give individual support to both ZIP and the printer.
Keep in mind, that this upgrade *was* made prior to the recompile, and
it has been working great up til now. The printcap file is included for
your review. If you might require any additional files, please let me
know. I used apsfilter 5.0 and the most current (at the time) version
of ghostscript.
Thanks in advance,
Jason Dixon
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii;
name="printcap"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Disposition: inline;
filename="printcap"
##
## Please don't edit this file directly unless you know what you are doing!
## Be warned that the control-panel printtool requires a very strict format!
## Look at the printcap(5) man page for more info.
##
## This file can be edited with the printtool in the control-panel.
#
#
###PRINTTOOL3## LOCAL ap3250 360x360 letter {} EpsonAP3250 Default {}
#lp:\
# :sd=/var/spool/lpd/lp:\
# :mx#0:\
# :sh:\
# :lp=/dev/lp1:\
# :if=/var/spool/lpd/lp/filter:
# LABEL apsfilter
# apsfilter setup Thu May 20 21:41:19 EDT 1999
#
# APS_BASEDIR:/download/apsfilter
#
#
ascii|lp1|uniprint-letter-ascii-mono|uniprint ascii mono:\
:lp=/dev/lp1:\
:sd=/var/spool/lpd/uniprint-letter-ascii-mono:\
:lf=/var/spool/lpd/uniprint-letter-ascii-mono/log:\
:af=/var/spool/lpd/uniprint-letter-ascii-mono/acct:\
:if=/download/apsfilter/filter/aps-uniprint-letter-ascii-mono:\
:mx#0:\
:sh:
#
lp2|uniprint-letter-auto-mono|uniprint auto mono:\
:lp=/dev/lp1:\
:sd=/var/spool/lpd/uniprint-letter-auto-mono:\
:lf=/var/spool/lpd/uniprint-letter-auto-mono/log:\
:af=/var/spool/lpd/uniprint-letter-auto-mono/acct:\
:if=/download/apsfilter/filter/aps-uniprint-letter-auto-mono:\
:mx#0:\
:sh:
#
lp3|uniprint-letter-ascii-color|uniprint ascii color:\
:lp=/dev/lp1:\
:sd=/var/spool/lpd/uniprint-letter-ascii-color:\
:lf=/var/spool/lpd/uniprint-letter-ascii-color/log:\
:af=/var/spool/lpd/uniprint-letter-ascii-color/acct:\
:if=/download/apsfilter/filter/aps-uniprint-letter-ascii-color:\
:mx#0:\
:sh:
#
lp|lp4|uniprint-letter-auto-color|uniprint auto color:\
:lp=/dev/lp1:\
:sd=/var/spool/lpd/uniprint-letter-auto-color:\
:lf=/var/spool/lpd/uniprint-letter-auto-color/log:\
:af=/var/spool/lpd/uniprint-letter-auto-color/acct:\
:if=/download/apsfilter/filter/aps-uniprint-letter-auto-color:\
:mx#0:\
:sh:
#
raw|lp5|uniprint-letter-raw|uniprint auto raw:\
:lp=/dev/lp1:\
:sd=/var/spool/lpd/uniprint-raw:\
:lf=/var/spool/lpd/uniprint-raw/log:\
:af=/var/spool/lpd/uniprint-raw/acct:\
:if=/download/apsfilter/filter/aps-uniprint-letter-raw:\
:mx#0:\
:sh:
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From: "John Burton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: how to kill a dead process?
Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 22:12:58 +0100
Not that I'm aware of. A process should not get hung in this state
indefinitly so there is no need for there to be a way to kill them (!)
Either there is a kernel bug, a hardware failure has occured, or possibly
the process is waiting for some resource. Unless it's something obvious like
you've run out of disk space
on one or your devices, or memory I doubt there is much you can do.
Sam Steingold wrote in message ...
>>>>> In message <7ievrb$4ae$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>> On the subject of "Re: how to kill a dead process?"
>>>>> Sent on Tue, 25 May 1999 21:02:38 +0100
>>>>> Honorable "John Burton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >> It's state is "D" (uninterruptable sleep) so kill isn't going to
> >> have any effect on it so there probably isn't any way to kill it.
>
>sorry - I didn't mention that I did try killing it, to no avail (I
>wouldn't post then, right? :-)
>
>is there a way to destroy a process other than by kill(1)?
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From: Axel Boldt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Free Software Bazaar --Digest--
Date: 26 May 1999 03:36:56 +0200
Ladies and Gentlemen,
the Free Software Bazaar at
http://visar.csustan.edu/bazaar/
allows people to offer money for the completion of free software
projects. The following offers have been added since the last digest
was posted here:
- Enhancement of WINE to access USB devices like scanners or printers
- Linux USB driver for HP ScanJet 6200C scanner
- Reverse engineering Visio's VSD file format for multilayer 2D
graphics
- Linux driver for Winmodems
- Backup system for Debian which doesn't backup unmodified package
files
- Ghostscript driver for Epson Stylus Color 800 printers
Offers are now available in two lists: sorted by submission date and
by category.
Thanks,
Axel
--
Axel Boldt ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** math-www.uni-paderborn.de/~axel/
Sponsor free software at the Free Software Bazaar visar.csustan.edu/bazaar/
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Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 11:31:43 +1000
From: M van Oosterhout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Use of memory
SKSK wrote:
>
> When you run 'ps -xl' you get a list of mots (all) the running processes.
> Sadly i cannot remeber the column name but even the simplest of programs
> seem to use at least 800k of memory.
>
> Why is this so ?
> And, is some of this perhaps shared with other processes ?
>
> JonP
Usually the 800k refers to the amount of memory
currently mapped into that processes address space.
Since the C library is at least 600k and the size
of the binaries itself make most of the rest, there's
really no worry.
So yes, most of that is shared.
PS: A friend of mine has a Riva TNT and so
his Xserver claims to take 20Meg. 16Meg of
that is not even in main memory!
Hope this helps...
Martijn van Oosterhout
Australia
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: A Capitalists view of freedom
Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 15:44:49 -0700
On Tue, 25 May 1999 16:30:52 +0100, Ed Avis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Marco Antoniotti wrote:
>
>>You are not the lender. And an individual should be able to know what
>>is known about him/herself. An information gathering agency,
>>especially if private, should not have *any* right whatsoever to keep
>>information about an individual, without allowing the individual the
>>"right to know".
>
>That's very much a matter of opinion. They aren't doing you any harm
>- surely what they do, in private, behind closed doors is none of your
>business.
By maligning your good name, they can do a considerable
amount of harm. That is why credit accounting agencies
and those that make reports to them are held so accountable
even now in the current political climate.
>
>It's a very short step from 'you shouldn't have *any* right to keep
>information' to 'you shouldn't have *any* right to hold secret
>meetings' or 'you shouldn't have *any* right to distribute damaging
>information about a person'.
The precedent in that area was set quite a long time ago.
So, holding those who distribute some other sort of
damaging information accountable is not such a radical idea.
--
Novice end users deserve better than a |||
random collection of spare parts optimized / | \
for cost rather than ease...
In search of sane PPP Docs? Try http://penguin.lvcm.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David A. Rogers)
Subject: The best audio denoise for linux
Date: 26 May 1999 00:56:58 GMT
I've tried Gramofile and it makes the audio mushy. I don't understand how to
get dnr to work at it's best. Is there another alternative for those who
don't have a degree in digital signal processing?
Regards,
dar
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (steve)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Communism dosn't even exist, never did...
Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 23:07:45 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Totally off topic but, most people consider America (USA) to be a
corporate oligarchy (sp?)
The large corporations own, run and buy off, the GOVT via lobbyists
and connections.
If IBM wanted a tax on all personal computers to make up for piracy
and infringed copyrights, chances are quite good they would be able to
push it through.
How about all the corporate downsizing and consultant hiring?
How about all the foreign labor at cheap rates?
We have NO power....Might as well be communism..
You and I as ordinary people have no say, except for our one measly
vote which when pooled with the vast amount of Jerry Springer morons
out there means nothing.
Steve
On 25 May 1999 22:21:58 GMT, dentoir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>dhs.org> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Organization:
>X-No-Archive: Yes
>
>In gnu.misc.discuss W.A. Scheer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> When the Soviet Union fell apart, the dream of achieving Communism around
>>> the world died with
>>> it.
>> GOOD !!
>
>Yeah wonderfull, Russia is doing great these days isn't it? Complete total
>economic meltdown and stuff. Glad to see they've left the days behind when
>they could get free college education etc.
>
>>> So what is all this dribble about Linux being a Communist Software package.
>> It's fairly 'drivel' actually. Linux is one of the best examples of whatcan
>> happen when INDIVIDUALS have the freedom to pursue their own goals, rather
>> than those dictated by the state. NEVER COULD HAPPEN under any centralized
>> system of control. It would be too much of a threat to the 'Party' toactually
>> allow the 'workers' control over their own destiny in such a fashion.
>
>Ofcourse ideal communism has nothing to do with dictatorship of the state,
>it's about the PEOPLE taking control instead of some corporation.
>
>
>-- dentoir
>http://www.xs4all.nl/~edtx/
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From: "Chad Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: A Capitalists view of freedom
Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 15:52:25 -0700
Richard Kulisz wrote in message <7idj7f$kpi$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>In article <7id6s1$hd8$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>Chad Mulligan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>I guess Ho Chi Mihn wasn't sane, either were the Afgan Rebels that tackled
>>the Sovs.
>
The US wasn't a "First World" Govt? The USSR either?
>
>In the first case, it was a foreign government and in the second, it
>wasn't a First World government. The situation I describe doesn't apply
>in either case.
>
Both are a case of the local citizenry overthrowing a tyrannical government,
in what way doesn't that apply to the situation that existed in 1775?
>
>>>Then you don't think too well. An armed citizenry *cannot* withstand
>>>an organized army and anyone with more than a single functioning brain
>
>>The KLA don't agree with you. They are claiming victories against a very
>>well equiped Yugoslav Army.
>
>There is a spectrum with organized army at one extreme and armed citizenry
>at the other. What gun-nuts who advocate "an armed citizenry" mean is a
>chaotic bunch of yahoos (the rednecks of the NRA); the KLA doesn't compare.
>
Why? Because they're an "Organized" Militia. BTW, they have a few
professionals, veterans, training them.
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From: coffee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Fun things to do with an extra linux box
Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 21:09:05 -0500
Gerritt Baer wrote:
>
> Well, I've found myself with an extra PII/266, and can't find a real
> use for the darn thing. I could install w95 on it to chain my pcs
> together so I can play quake2 with myself, but I was hoping to do
> something more useful/interesting with it. So i've installed SuSE 6.1
> on it yesterday and I'm trying to think of some interesting/fun things
> to do with the box. As, of now, it just sits there doing not much of
> anything :) Anyone have any good ideas?
>
> Gerritt Baer
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I had a spare 486 sitting around and I set it up as a file
server. I just download all files to it thru my main
terminal off internet and store it all there. I also put in
a tape backup to keep things safe.
It sits in a corner of my bedroom running 24/7. Sometimes I
forget its even there :))
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