Linux-Misc Digest #358, Volume #20 Wed, 26 May 99 15:13:12 EDT
Contents:
ramdisk (David L. Bilbey)
Linux PPP ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
OPEN SOURCES in LaTeX and PostScript (Matthijs van Leeuwen)
Re: Commercially speaking....? (Erik Olson)
Re: Problem booting from hard disk (Stefano Ghirlanda)
Re: A Capitalists view of freedom
Re: MySQL 3.22.22 confusion... installed from source code... ("test")
Re: Commercially speaking....? (David Damerell)
Re: Commercially speaking....? (Erik Olson)
can't unzip .gz (bill g)
Re: NFS with Redhat 6 server and clients (Adnan Vora)
Re: LILO not working without (empty) 2nd HDD? (Joachim Feise)
Re: any plugin or app similar to this ... (Nicolas Bouthors)
Insmod ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: David L. Bilbey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: ramdisk
Date: 26 May 1999 17:16:22 GMT
Here's what I'd like to do:
Boot linux using a ramdisk as my root filesystem (_without_ using a
floppy).
Basically, my setup is like this:
hda-|
|-hda1-|
| |-zImage
| |-ramdisk
|
|
|-hda2-|
|-some files to access when I mount this partition
Now I think I can create the ramdisk. (with help of the Loopback-RootFS
HOWTO and ramdisk.txt from the source documentation) But I can't figure
out how in the world to boot it without a floppy. Also please note that I
don't need the Loopback device (or do I?)
Thanks,
David Bilbey
--
"If a kid ever asks you how Santa Claus can live forever, I think a good
answer is that he drinks blood." --Jack Handey
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Linux PPP
Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 17:15:47 GMT
I'm having a lot of trouble getting my RedHat 5.1 system to connect to my ISP
with pppd. If anyone could help, I'd really appreciate it. The modem dials
my ISP ok, starts making all of the handshake noise, goes silent (which is
when, under Windows it is verifying user name and password), and then
disconnects.
I set up syslogd to generate a log which looks like this (9999999 is my ISP's
phone number): May 26 12:43:27 localhost pppd[230]: pppd 2.3.3 started by
root, uid 0 May 26 12:43:28 localhost chat[231]: timeout set to 5 seconds May
26 12:43:28 localhost chat[231]: send (ATZ^M) May 26 12:43:29 localhost
chat[231]: expect (OK) May 26 12:43:29 localhost chat[231]: ATZ^M^M May 26
12:43:29 localhost chat[231]: OK May 26 12:43:29 localhost chat[231]: -- got
it May 26 12:43:29 localhost chat[231]: send (ATDT9999999^M) May 26 12:43:29
localhost chat[231]: abort on (NO CARRIER) May 26 12:43:29 localhost
chat[231]: abort on (BUSY) May 26 12:43:29 localhost chat[231]: abort on (NO
DIALTONE) May 26 12:43:29 localhost chat[231]: abort on (WAITING) May 26
12:43:29 localhost chat[231]: timeout set to 45 seconds May 26 12:43:29
localhost chat[231]: expect (CONNECT) May 26 12:43:29 localhost chat[231]: ^M
May 26 12:43:42 localhost chat[231]: ATDT9999999^M^M May 26 12:43:42
localhost chat[231]: CONNECT May 26 12:43:42 localhost chat[231]: -- got it
May 26 12:43:42 localhost chat[231]: send (^M) May 26 12:43:42 localhost
chat[231]: timeout set to 5 seconds May 26 12:43:42 localhost chat[231]:
expect (name:) May 26 12:43:42 localhost chat[231]:
33600/ARQ/V34/LAPM/V42BIS^M May 26 12:43:43 localhost chat[231]: ^M May 26
12:43:43 localhost chat[231]: Welcome to 3Com Total Control HiPer ARC (TM)^M
May 26 12:43:43 localhost chat[231]: Networks That Go The Distance (TM)^M May
26 12:43:43 localhost chat[231]: ^M May 26 12:43:47 localhost chat[231]:
alarm May 26 12:43:47 localhost pppd[230]: Connect script failed May 26
12:43:47 localhost chat[231]: Failed May 26 12:43:48 localhost pppd[230]:
Exit.
My /etc/ppp/options looks like:
connect "chat -v -f /etc/ppp/chatscript"
lock
crtscts
modem
defaultroute
asyncmap 0xa0000
user richs
/dev/modem 38400
My /etc/ppp/chatscript looks like:
TIMEOUT 5
"" ATZ
OK ATDT9999999
ABORT "NO CARRIER"
ABORT BUSY
ABORT "NO DIALTONE"
ABORT WAITING
TIMEOUT 45
CONNECT ""
TIMEOUT 5
"name:" ppp
My pap-secrets file is the standard: username * password
Any ideas? Thanks in advance.
Rich
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From: Matthijs van Leeuwen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.misc
Subject: OPEN SOURCES in LaTeX and PostScript
Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 17:12:39 +0000
The recent "freeing" of the <a href="http://www.oreilly.com/">O'reilly</a> book
<a href="http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/opensources/book/toc.html">Open Sources: Voices
from the Open Source Revolution</a> has allowed me to take the "source code" of
the book, convert it into a nicely formatted LaTeX document, and make the LaTeX source
code
and PostScript file available below.
<p>If you like to read the copyright statement first, read it
<a href="http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/opensources/book/copyright.html">here</a>.
Get the PostScript and LaTeX source code <a
href="http://www.interprise-orange.com/os/">here</a>.
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From: Erik Olson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Commercially speaking....?
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,linux.help,linux.news.groups,uk.comp.os.linux
Date: 26 May 1999 18:08:58 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy brian moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Um, Erik: xxgdb is not an HP product.
I don't know what the exact name is but HP sells it, I saw it, and it exists.
> It's an example of a gdb wrapper that does much of what you claim HP's
> product does. DDD is another one.
A couple years ago I was at a real-time show and I talked to rep at the HP
booth. I forget the RTOS, chances are it was vxWorks since I use that the
most, but at the time I was doing a survey of different RTOS's for this chip
project, so it could of been any RTOS. In anycase it was a HP unix platform,
it was gdb, and they created a wrapper. In fact I actually questioned the HP
rep of how such a product could be proprietary and closed source, how was that
legal I asked? And the rep explained the GUI wrapper was their value added
and while they did make the source mod's to gdb available the GUI was not.
I was impressed with HP's clever side stepping of the GPL, and at the same
time I was horrified, I saw big business taking advantage of the spirit of
free software, I had lost my innocence. It was a day I will never forget.
>> Now this has confused me, making system calls to the Linux kernel by non
>> open source commercial programs should be illegal, or at least my
>> interpretation of the GPL makes me think so. But apparently it is not.
>> I don't understand. Can you explain why?
> Why would it be?
Because the Linux kernel is GPL and not LGPL, and the GPL states "programs
that make library calls (aka kernel calls) of a GPL'd program, whether
static or dynamically linked must have the source code freely available" or
something like that. This I believe is the main distinction between the
GPL and the LGPL.
>> If indeed this is a special case, then this is just a tiny tear in the GPL
>> which IMO is about to become a huge hole when big business challenges and
>> relentlessly thrashes the GPL in court.
> It's not a special case at all.
Here is my logic:
1) Any program can be twisted and bent into the form of a library.
2) So if indeed the "dynamic linkage of libraries" (as opposed to static
linkage) falls apart in count, then the GPL is basically downgraded to
the equivilent of the LGPL. Then I can legally turn any GPL program
into a LGPL library and use it as commercial closed source.
3) A wrapper, ignoring the inefficencies and pointer manipulation
limitations for a moment, is functionally the same as a library call.
4) So with the wrapper case, I don't even need to wait for the GPL to get
beaten up in court inorder to use a GPL program commercial closed source
as HP's gdb based GUI debugger demonstrates.
Game over man.
>> > Hint: there is a HUGE difference between a GUI wrapper (such as xxgdb
>> > and its role with gdb) and integration into one program (such as what
>> > sendmail.com sells).
>>
>> Really? Other than a couple layers of OS and command parsing, please tell
>> me what is this huge difference? And don't go saying speed or pointer
>> manipulation or some rubish like that. Functionally a wrapper can be made
>> to behave like a library. Imagine a futuristic OS and the speed and pointer
>> issues go away. Don't some companies sell commercial perl scripts?
>> And isn't there a perl or some other scripting language compiler?
> A wrapper can not behave like a library.
Yes it can.
> It has nothing to do with speed, but everything to do with program
> design. Regardless of how I invoke, say, xxgdb, it can't behave as
> libc. If it did, it wouldn't be a wrapper, but a library.
> And, yep, there is some commercial Perl. So what? The 'perl' program
> is available under GPL, but that doesn't mean all works that use it are.
You missed my point, I guess I wasn't clear.
My point was shell scripting languages can call programs like "rmdir",
this is what I mean as a wrapper (calling a program instead of a function).
They can do this legally even if the program is GPL'd. I know rmdir is
BSD and not GPL, work with me here, just pretend that rmdir is GPL. So in
the case of scripting languages the source is freely available since that
is the way shell scripts are. Now throwing in the existence of a perl or
csh script compiler, you now can have closed source perl scripts.
So please tell me, how is the wrapper for "rmdir" (calling it as a program)
functionally any different that doing a rmdir(const char *pathname); from
your program?
Hmm, here is a good question: are RPC's (remote procedure calls) technically
wrappers or library calls? What about a socket based command pipe like X?
Your program isn't the one doing the linking so my guess is that its not
a library call thus not under the infectious jurisdiction of the GPL.
Ahhh, the myriad ways we can skirt the GPL and tarnish its spirit.
>> From my point of view the whole LGPL vs libraries under GPL issue is
>> blurred. It's not going to hold up in court.
> And precisely what are your legal qualifications?
The same as yours.
Why do these discussions always result in "put your money where you mouth
is" or "what are your legal qualifications"? I'm no laywer, thank God,
but I have a brain, and you have a brain, so why don't you use it?
> Considering your take on things is so blurry that you argue that
> sendmail is somehow GPL'd, I would seriously question your ability to
> reach any sort of sensible conclusion on what licenses mean.
Now I admitted my mistake in thinking Sendmail was GPL'd. But your
comments have been next to worthless in clearing my blurry vision in
reguards to licensing issues.
>>> I gather you've never done serious programming or
>>> you'd understand the distinction.
>>
>>I gather a kiddie as yourself ought to show a little more respect to an old
>>fart like me who has likely been programming since before you were even born!
>>Take that flame baby.
> Really? I've been using Unix since 1978. (Ah, the good old days of
> Evans Hall at UCB with the excitingly named 'unixa' through 'unixe'
> PDP-11's.)
I started programming in 1976 at the age of ten.
> And you?
Well indeed you are a slightly older fart than I.
But at least I'm not a Sysadmin! :P
erik olson
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stefano Ghirlanda)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.misc,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Problem booting from hard disk
Date: 26 May 1999 12:29:14 GMT
>----
>Not found any [active partition] in HDD
>DISK BOOT FAILURE, INSERT SYSTEM DISK ...
>----
I think some BIOS can mark partitions as active/inactive, and one cannot
boot from inactive ones. You may look in your BIOS setup menu if there is
such an option.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: A Capitalists view of freedom
Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 09:52:40 -0700
On 26 May 1999 09:38:47 +0200, Marco Antoniotti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] () writes:
>
>> On 25 May 1999 14:28:19 +0200, Marco Antoniotti
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >
>> >ABSOLUTELY OFF-TOPIC.
>> >
>> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Wilson) writes:
>> >
>> >> Did you know that the fascists of Italy and the Nazi's of Germany passed
>> >> massive gun restrictions that effectively disarmed the populace?
>> >
>> >Ahem. Of course, history is not done with "if's", but if the pre-1922
>> >italian goverments had effectively disarmed the Fascist Squads, maybe
>> >we wouldn't have had to endure "Him". The same argument holds for the
>> >Weimar Republic goverments wrt the "Brown Shirts". Your knowledge of
>> >history seems spotty. Your argument leaks.
>>
>> Except the SA was notorious for BEATING people not shooting them.
>> If you think weapons controls slow down thugs, you've been living
>> a sheltered existence.
>
>I lived in NYC for 5 years in the early 90's and dared take the subway
>at 2:00am, alone, unarmed. So much for "living a sheltered
>existence". :)
>
>I do not think that a thug with a gun can be slowed down. I don't
>believe that evan a thug without a gun can be slowed down. But if he
>has a gun I get killed more easily.
Dead is dead.
>
>My point is that all over (Western) Europe, where gun controls are in
>place, violent crime is not at the levels reached in some US cities.
>This is statistics. Your argument leaks. Of course, I could go on
No, this is bad statistics. There are more variables present
in the situation than you are letting on. You are also
confusing a correlation with causation.
[deletia]
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From: "test" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MySQL 3.22.22 confusion... installed from source code...
Crossposted-To:
redhat.hardware.arch.intel,redhat.general,linux.redhat.misc,alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.databases
Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 18:33:35 GMT
> ># cd /tmp ; wget
> >http://www.mysql.org/Downloads/MySQL-3.22/mysql-3.22.22.tar.gz ; tar -zxvf
> >mysql-3.22.22.tar.gz ; cd mysql-3.22.22 ; ./configure ; make ; make install
>
> try: ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/mysql
>
If I do that and then make install over the binary version
<http://www.mysql.org/Downloads/MySQL-3.22/mysql-3.22.22-pc-linux-gnu-i686.tar.gz> I
untarred to /usr/local/mysql , will that work fine? Will it directly overwrite all the
old files or what?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Damerell)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,linux.help,linux.news.groups,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Commercially speaking....?
Date: 26 May 1999 19:38:24 +0100 (BST)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Erik Olson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Now this has confused me, making system calls to the Linux kernel by non
>open source commercial programs should be illegal, or at least my
>interpretation of the GPL makes me think so. But apparently it is not.
>I don't understand. Can you explain why?
Because Linus says you can. No, really.
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From: Erik Olson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Commercially speaking....?
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,linux.help,linux.news.groups,uk.comp.os.linux
Date: 26 May 1999 17:01:45 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Gareth Owen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Russ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> Very Quickly - Doesn't the GPL say that you cannot sell the code or any code
>> you used from it (or something very similar)??
>
> No it doesn't, but it does stop you stopping those people to whom you
> sell the code from giving it to whoever they like.
Yes, my understanding of the GPL says anyone can make money selling your
program, and they can even modify it and sell that as long as they make the
new source code freely available. Also I believe the GPL takes away your
licensing freedom a bit by saying something about you not being allowed to
change any part of the GPL. For example you are not allowed use the GPL and
have a clause that says "anyone who distributes my program for money must
send me a percent as a kickback, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] for distribution
licensing details." If they did allow such modifications it would create
a mess.
erik olson
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From: bill g <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: can't unzip .gz
Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 13:42:52 -0400
i downloaded word perfect in .gz format but gunzip 1.2.4 says it's not
valid format. using:
gunzip gui00.gz ; tar -xvf gui00
any help appreciated, bg
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,linux.redhat.misc
Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 13:39:03 -0500
From: Adnan Vora <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: NFS with Redhat 6 server and clients
On Wed, 26 May 1999, Rich Piotrowski wrote:
Thats exactly what my exports file says :
/filesystem1 abc1.xyz.edu(rw) abc2.xyz.edu (rw) ....
/filesystem2 abc1.xyz.edu(rw) abc2.xyz.edu (rw) ....
The problem is only one client machine (out of 8) can access the remote
filesystem... besides even the one that can access the filesystem cannot
access the _other_ filesystem which is also exported..
These machines are (to the best of my knowledge) identically setup...
with the required differences ofcourse...
but still ... "permission denied"
Any clues?
Thanx
Adnan Vora
PS the one that _can_ access a remote filesystem is not even the 1st
on the list...
> Date: Wed, 26 MAY 1999 12:15:36 GMT
> From: Rich Piotrowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Newgroups: comp.os.linux.networking, comp.os.linux.misc, linux.redhat.misc
> Subject: Re: NFS with Redhat 6 server and clients
>
> On Wed, 26 May 1999 14:56:22 +0900, "G. Hugh SONG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> >Jon Paterson wrote:
> >>
> >> I am having a frustrating problem with a Redhat 6 server that was
> >> previously a redhat 5.2 server rebuilt.
> >>
> >> I have a Linux client (redhat 6.0 also) that is trying to connect to the
> >> server and is always getting the "permission denied" message.
> >>
> >> There is nothing wrong with the exports file, I have even deleted it and
> >> done the configuration through Linuxconf, and the same error exists.
> >>
> >> I think that it may have something to do with Knfsd, but am not sure
> >> where to look.
> >>
> >> can anyone help or point me in the right direction?
> >>
> >> regards,
> >>
> >> Jon Paterson
> >
> >I am having the same problem on both systems of Intel/Linux and
> >Alpha/Linux. The error message reads as
> >
> >fh_verify: ///permission failure, acc=3 error=13
> >
> >and something similar but related to nfs-something.
> >
> >I guess that it is not related to RedHat6.0. In my case,
> >it appears that it is related to the recent kernels, 2.2.8 and
> >2.2.9. It appears that it does no harm on the system. But,
> >certainly, it makes me quite nervous.
> >
> >Unfortunately, I don't know more than that.
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >--
> >G. Hugh Song
>
> Simple!
>
> Redhat 6.0 NFS now defaults to Read-only. Check your setup in
> linuxconf again! Or check man exports. My exports file now loks like
> this.
>
> / machine.name(rw)
>
> Note the addition of the "(rw)" switch to allow read-write.
>
> Rich Piotrowski
>
>
>
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From: Joachim Feise <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,alt.linux,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: LILO not working without (empty) 2nd HDD?
Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 11:45:07 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
John Girash wrote:
:
: In comp.os.linux.misc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: : I noticed something very disturbing the other day: I have 2 HDD's; one
: : of them (/dev/hda) contains all software and LILO, the other (/dev/hdb)
: : does not hold any Linux partitions or bootsectors. Recently I
: : disconnected the unused one, and it would not boot any more! Not at all!
: : I got "bad magic number" and freeze (on subsequent attempts I got an
: : incomplete LILO prompt). Booting from the rescue disc did not work
: : either. Can someone explain why LILO depends on unused hardware, and how
: : I can switch this off? I don't want to have a dead system some day just
: : because an unused piece of hardware fails.
:
: I'll bet this is a hardware problem, not a sw one. (Hints: the "magic number"
: message, and the rescue disc -- which should completely bypass LILO on hda --
: not working). Some IDE drives have different jumper settings for "master of
: two drives" and for "lone drive on this IDE channel"; perhaps your hda does.
:
: Or it could be a loose cable.
:
: Just disconnecting the power cable isn't enough, the data cable has to go too.
And you also need to remove the BIOS entry for the disk.
-Joe
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nicolas Bouthors)
Crossposted-To: linux.dev.apps,comp.graphics.apps.gimp
Subject: Re: any plugin or app similar to this ...
Date: 26 May 1999 19:03:57 GMT
On Wed, 26 May 1999 19:28:43 +0200, Zeljko Blace <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>http://www.arcsoft.com/photomontage.htm
>is there anything similar in opensource community (as Gimp plugin or
>separate app.)
see 'pmosaic' in the registery (registry.gimp.org) it seems to do the stuff you
are looking for... It works perfectly with gimp-1.0.0 at home...
See ya.
Nico
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Insmod
Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 18:12:17 GMT
I have an external zip drive on my printer port. As root I have it set
to auto "insmod ppa" When I logon as a user insmod is not able to be
used. Why?
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