Linux-Misc Digest #381, Volume #20 Fri, 28 May 99 12:13:07 EDT
Contents:
Re: word processing, what to use? (Adam C. Emerson)
Re: Corrupt Superblock (Adam C. Emerson)
Re: I want all of you exterminated! (Igor)
SlackWare 4.0 ISO available! ("discussion group")
Re: Make my own boot/root? (Tom Fawcett)
Re: Graphics Tablet for Linux (Michael Sobolev)
IP Addresses of Interfaces ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: RPM Libraries/CVS Question (Tom Fawcett)
Re: IP Addresses of Interfaces (-ljl-)
Re: choosing an OS for a retired Sun -- no BSD? (Bob Keys)
RE: only seeing 32mb memory ?? (Andrew Clayton)
Re: choosing an OS for a retired Sun workstation (David C.)
Re: prevent detection of 2nd HD (Duncan Simpson)
Re: Commercially speaking....? (Craig Kelley)
Re: How to Stay Online - ISP Kicks my off during inactivity ("D. Vrabel")
Re: car mp3 player (rs)
Re: AutoInstall is for experts, not beginners!!! (Gilles Pelletier)
nVidia Riva TNT2 (Guillossou Olivier)
Re: Linux vs. NT performance / Mindcraft results (rs)
Re: USB on Linux ("Anthony J. Gabrielson")
rescue disk (Daniel TONG)
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From: Adam C. Emerson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: word processing, what to use?
Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 13:59:51 GMT
Philip Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 27 May 1999 10:03:51 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>...
>>
>> Wrong! vi is a very nice, quick way to edit text files.
> It can be used to "quickly edit files". However,it does not fit the
> description of "nice".
> any one of dozens of modeless editors would better fit the description
> "nice, quick way to edit text files".
> jove, joe, uemacs, jed, .....
Quickly edit files, not quickly start editing files (though it
does that too.) vi's good for writing up a resume (if you have
troff handy), or writing a program, or anything else you
need to do (for evaluating lisp expressions, I use a lisp interpreter,
no need to put one in the text editor, any more than there's need to
put in a C compiler.
--
Adam C. Emerson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.calvin.edu/~aemers19/
Preach from it unto the Righteous, that they may renounce their
ways and repent. -- Honest Book of Truth
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From: Adam C. Emerson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Corrupt Superblock
Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 14:02:35 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> A couple of days ago I tried to boot linux and to my dismay I got a kernel
> panic. After some poking around I realized that I have a corrupt superblock.
> Reinstalling is not a problem (been planning on getting SuSE since 6.1 came
> out anyway) as most of my important data is backed up but there is some data
> that I did not back up. So I am hoping that someone has a great trick to be
> able to access the drive so that I can get my data off before formatting the
> disk. If anyone has any ideas please send them on to me.
e2fsck -b 8193
--
Adam C. Emerson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.calvin.edu/~aemers19/
Preach from it unto the Righteous, that they may renounce their
ways and repent. -- Honest Book of Truth
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Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 09:35:04 -0500
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Igor)
Crossposted-To:
relcom.politics,soc.culture.russian,soc.culture.finnish,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: I want all of you exterminated!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
* I want Carelia returned to Finland immediately.
* I want the russian dirty pigs killed in gas chambers.
* You are nothing better than filthy gangsters, fit only as slaves to the aryan
superrace.
*
But, come to think of it, even Linus Torvalds is not really a Finn.
igor
* Sieg Heil, Seppo Lehto
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From: "discussion group" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: SlackWare 4.0 ISO available!
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.slackware,alt.linux.slakware,alt.linux,alt.os.linux
Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 19:24:36 GMT
ftp://news.cwnet.com/hidden/sw40.iso
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From: Tom Fawcett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Make my own boot/root?
Date: 28 May 1999 09:00:22 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ken Williams) writes:
> I need to make some custom boot and root disks? How can I do that?
The Bootdisk-HOWTO was written to answer this.
http://metalab.unc.edu/LDP/HOWTO/Bootdisk-HOWTO.html
If you don't want to do it manually, check out the Yard package.
-Tom
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Sobolev)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Graphics Tablet for Linux
Date: 28 May 1999 13:50:38 GMT
Erik Lins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I would like to use some kind of graphics tablet (on which one can draw
>with a kind of pen and has some button for certain actions) with linux
>(especially GIMP).
I have bought Wacom Intuos tablet for my wife. She's using Windows, but
since it's running on the same computer, I tried it under Linux. It works
like a charm. If you check Wacom's site, you will find a link to the Linux
driver for it.
Cheers,
--
Mike
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: IP Addresses of Interfaces
Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 14:00:43 GMT
Is there a file where Linux stores the IP addresses (in a.b.c.d format)
of active interfaces?
In other words, is there a file that contains the information supplied
by running ifconfig?
Thanks,
Sherif
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From: Tom Fawcett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: RPM Libraries/CVS Question
Date: 28 May 1999 09:12:00 -0400
Jason Bond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I'm thinking of installing a CVS version of a program...and this, in
> general requires the absolute latest versions of sets of libraries (not
> in general supported but the actual developers?...or am I off on
> this?). Are these daily newest libraries a good idea to install or are
> they considered dangerously unstable?
I doubt anyone can answer this in general since it depends on the quality
control of the library's author.
> Secondly, when one tries to install a given RPM file and it
> comes back saying:
>
> libORBit.so.0 is needed by x11amp-0.9beta1.1-19990519cvs1
> libORBitCosNaming.so.0 is needed by
> x11amp-0.9beta1.1-19990519cvs1
> libart_lgpl.so.2 is needed by x11amp-0.9beta1.1-19990519cvs1
> libgnome.so.32 is needed by x11amp-0.9beta1.1-19990519cvs1
>
> etc., say.
>
> How does one know where to get the rpm's that contain
> these libraries (or at least the names of the rpms that contain
> them)?
A good place to start is an RPM archive that uses rpmfind, for example:
http://rufus.w3.org/linux/RPM/
When you select a specific rpm it shows you Provides and Requires lists
which are hyperlinked. Click on a dependency and it shows you what
packages provide it. For example:
http://rufus.w3.org/linux/RPM/libORBit.so.0.html
I don't know if this will get you everything you need but it's a lot better
than archie searches.
-Tom
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From: -ljl- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: IP Addresses of Interfaces
Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 14:28:44 GMT
In article <7im7ia$in9$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Is there a file where Linux stores the IP addresses (in a.b.c.d
format)
> of active interfaces?
>
> In other words, is there a file that contains the information
supplied
> by running ifconfig?
The short answer is yes; at least on every distribution I've used,
and it has always been under '/etc' somewhere.
--
Louis-ljl-{ Louis J. LaBash, Jr. }
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Keys)
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.bsd.openbsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.unix.solaris
Subject: Re: choosing an OS for a retired Sun -- no BSD?
Date: 28 May 1999 14:33:18 GMT
Mikhail Teterin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: The responses so far:
:
: . Solaris would be way too slow on this machine (perhaps, some
: tweaking is possible?)
Needs lots of ram, too.
: . Linux (RedHat) is happy, but may need tweaking to run Netscape
: successfully
OK, but also needs lots of ram, and loads up everything but the kitchen
sink. You may be able to trim the fat and make it comfy on a small machine.
: . not a word from the *BSD world :( Did I make a mistake of
: mentioning Open and Net BSDs in one sentence?
I just posted a high rating of OpenBSD 2.5 on my Sparcs. Lean, mean and
runs like a striped arsed ape, even on 12 meg ram running X. I have
not had good luck with NetBSD, sadly, although I have tried several
times and several ports. OpenBSD just runs, well, out of the box.
I gotta figure out why that happens.
: =The requirements are to be stable (of course), have PPP software, and
: =run Netscape... I'd prefer to set the disk up at home, using my
: =FreeBSD/i386 machines, but I'm not sure I can make it bootable by a Sun
: =box.
:
: Seems, like Linux is going to be the choice... Oh, well...
I would suggest you may be happier with OpenBSD 2.5, unless you really
like Linux on the Sparc. Linux is good, but feels too much like frufru.
Some of us still like a lean mean Spartan unix.
Caveat, YYMV, and try them all..... and no flames please, me ol' 'Net
Flak Suit got hung up almost 20 years back, and is a tad dusty and
full o' moth holes.....(gotta watch out fer those kevlar-eatin' net moths...
they be pesky critters....(:+}}....).
Bob Keys
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From: Andrew Clayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: only seeing 32mb memory ??
Date: 28 May 1999 15:32:34 GMT
Try adding the line
append="mem=96M"
to your /etc/lilo.conf file.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David C.)
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.bsd.openbsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.unix.solaris
Subject: Re: choosing an OS for a retired Sun workstation
Date: 28 May 1999 10:35:56 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mikhail Teterin) writes:
>
> A friend of mine received a working, but too old and slow (by todays
> standards) Sun workstation for free. The disk is dead, but we have a
> 1Gb replacement. The machine has 16Mb of RAM, is by itself diskless --
> fits entirely in what a casual observer would call monitor. I do not
> know the model :(, but can get it if needed. The disk we have is
> external. There is also an external CD-ROM available. No floppy
> drives in sight, though... The RAM can be increased. A tape drive is a
> painful option.
First off, max out the RAM. You should definitely be able to take it to
32M. Possibly 64M, depending on what model the thing is.
As for OS, I happen to be a fan of Sun's products, but the current
version will run slowly on old hardware and it may be difficult to get
older versions.
I have personally used SunOS 4.1.4 and Solaris 2.6 on an IPX. It was
annoyingly slow with 32M of RAM. Still slow, but acceptible at 64M.
Netscape was painfully slow with any amount of RAM. Both OSs worked
just fine, although installing and configuring SunOS is a
pain-and-a-half.
Someone else here mentioned that Solaris 7 (which is free if you sign up
for one of their special programs) is pretty slow on old hardware. But
you be more tolerant on your box.
I would recommend a larer hard drive than 1G if you choose to go with a
Sun OS. Most of that 1G will be consumed by the system. Fortunately,
2G and 4G drives are pretty inexpensive these days.
-- David
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Duncan Simpson)
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: prevent detection of 2nd HD
Date: 28 May 1999 15:24:36 GMT
In <7ih02h$q8c$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
<lots of stuff snipped>
>Unfortunately it will NOT prevent Windows and Linux from spinning up the
>HDD. I already have no entries for that HDD in fstab and no files
>whatsoever that are needed by either OS. I have tried disabling them in
>BIOS; however, then it stays spun UP permanently when using Win, which
>is clearly not what I want, and Linux spins it up anyway (I'll try
>putting "noprobe" in lilo.conf and hope that my system still works
>afterwards). Also, APM should never spin a drive UP (unless used),
>right?
Both OSes read the partition table and to do this they have to spin up
the drive. After that it is a feature of linux if it stops snippping
due to Linux's code (it might be a feature of the drive instead). With
or without APM this drive needs spinning up to do basic things like
learning the /dev entires that are valid for this HDD (and, if using
devfs, which ones exist).
After that they should be prepared to stop using the drive and let in
spin down again. All the hard drives I have, none of them old, spin up
in all cases even when not connected to any interface (so no OS can
use them, period).
--
Duncan (-:
"software industry, the: unique industry where selling substandard goods is
legal and you can charge extra for fixing the problems."
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,linux.help,linux.news.groups,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Commercially speaking....?
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 28 May 1999 09:44:26 -0600
Erik Olson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
[snip]
> OK, if this is the case then how is calling a GPL'd Linux kernel function
> any different than calling a GPL'd library function? Being called is what
> they both were designed for.
When was the last time you linked against the Linux kernel?
[snip]
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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From: "D. Vrabel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How to Stay Online - ISP Kicks my off during inactivity
Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 16:44:20 +0100
On Fri, 28 May 1999, Adam C. Emerson wrote:
> Jason Bond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Does anyone out there know of a program that automatically sends out a
> > packet every (specified) amount of time?
> > My damn ISP kicks me off if I'm inactive for something like 5
> > minutes....and it's starting to get annoying. I used to use Netprophet
> > for windows....is there something similiar for Linux? Thanks kindly,
>
> Get pppupd, it sends traffic, and if you are disconnected, it reconnects
> you. It's available in a Debian package (what isn't other than Gnome?)
GNOME 1.0.5 is now packaged in can be found in Potato (Unstable).
David
--
David Vrabel
Engineering Undergraduate at University of Cambridge, UK.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (rs)
Subject: Re: car mp3 player
Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 15:40:51 GMT
On 25 May 1999 11:28:45 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Jim Richardson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>: if you know what Voltage and current requirements you have, let me know
>: and I'll paw through their app-notes at work and see if they have a simple
>: to build solution.
>: (I assume you need +12V, +5V and -5V, but the current draw makes a diff.
>: you could check the ratings of whatever was the original powersupply.
>: Absent that avenue, an educate guess :)
>
>Chances are that you can ditch the -5V and the -12V, they are
>virtually unused nowadays. A typical 200W power supply has the
>following maximum current draws. The voltage of the power supply
>should not drift more than +-5%.
>
> -5v .3A
> -12v .3A
> +12v 8A
> +5v 20A
>
>Eric
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I actually contemplated the same thought myself. Now, I need to just
take a needle and pull the right wires from J8 and J9 to test this
theory.
If anyone has a link to a schematic, that would be nice, I would even
want to try and do it myself with Radio Shack part numbers, just to
give the other do-it-yourselfers an instant-gratification solution.
Kind of like the LIRC thing at the bottom of this page:
http://www.mindwell.com/lirc/receivers.html
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gilles Pelletier)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: AutoInstall is for experts, not beginners!!!
Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 15:40:21 GMT
Tom Jordaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> �crivait/wrote:
>(Um, should you be fiddling with mtab manually?)
No. But checking what's in mtab in comparision with fstab can give you
an idea of how your system is set up.
>Use fvwm, as it supports Debian's menuing
>system, and then you'll find every package listed on fvwm's menu,
>with new ones appearing after installation and a restart of fvwm.
Interesting. I couldn't use KDE or GNOME anyhow with my 486 16 megs 1
meg video.
>I suppose, for user friendliness, this is what Debian should be aiming
>for - and with Corel's user-friendly modification to the installation
>process in progress, could well manage it soon.
I always hear good comments about Debian. Still, I wonder if that's
gonna be it for me. See my post "The Glass Cathedral" on
comp.os.linux.misc and alt.os.linux
GP
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From: Guillossou Olivier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: nVidia Riva TNT2
Date: 28 May 1999 15:48:06 GMT
Do you know whether the Riva TNT2 works under X (does the TNT driver wor
ks with it ?)
Please answer bu mail if possible.
Thanks
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (rs)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.qnx,comp.realtime,comp.arch.embedded
Subject: Re: Linux vs. NT performance / Mindcraft results
Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 15:46:56 GMT
On 25 May 1999 08:18:32 -0700, Armin Steinhoff <Armin@Steinhoff_de>
wrote:
>In article <7ie85g$jm3$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Tewpin says...
>>
>>1. In comp.arch.embedded it isn't so interesting...
>
>Nothing heard about 'embedded NT' ?
Hmm, dont know
> ... embedded LINUX ??
Here is a good starting point (http://edge.fireplug.net). A whole
router solution on a single floppy. I think their links will get you
to other thin or embedded solutions.
>
>>2.Yes. Linux has some problems with threads...
>
>No ... there are multi-threaded driver of RAID systems for LINUX.
>
>Why has Mindcraft choosen a single-threaded beta driver for the LINUX benchmark?
>
>Was it choosen by chance ?? I don't think so ...
>
>>3.Yes. Linux hasn't problems with drivers for newest devices...(no drivers -
>>no problems).
>
> ... there is some changing :-)
>
>Armin
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From: "Anthony J. Gabrielson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: USB on Linux
Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 11:07:58 -0400
Yes there is, its just not stable yet. I have heard of people using USB
mice and keyboards & there working on other devices as well. It comes
with 2.2.7 & above but isn't enabled, its only enabled for the development
kernel.
Anthony
On 27 May 1999, Brent wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> : I'd like to know peoples experiences using USB devices
> : with Linux. I'd like to know if I would have any problems
> : connected with a USB adapter?
>
> : Greg
>
> Greg, there is no USB support in Linux, as of yet.
>
> -Brent
>
> __________________________________________
>
> "A 'conclusion' is that point in an
> argument where you get tired of thinking."
>
> -Ray Jennings
> __________________________________________
>
>
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From: Daniel TONG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: rescue disk
Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 11:15:10 -0400
I believe there must be way (as in NT) to back up the system files of
my RH52 and in case of failure have it retrieved.
Would anyone advise me as to where to find the info' required.
Any suggestion would be appreciated.
Daniel at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Toronto
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