Linux-Misc Digest #472, Volume #20 Thu, 3 Jun 99 03:13:22 EDT
Contents:
Re: What are the differences between mySQL and mSQL? (Paul D. Smith)
Re: Is This Illegal? (brian moore)
Re: Need help editing PATH Variable (Anupam Sengupta)
Re: Java Development Kit for Linux (Anupam Sengupta)
Re: Disk Druid not improving, and why... ("Chad Mulligan")
Re: Offline newsreader for Linux (Bruce Stephens)
Re: What are the differences between mySQL and mSQL? ("Jon Smirl")
Re: glibc-crypt-2.1.1 ? (Paul Kimoto)
Re: PPP problem?! ("Frank Yan")
Re: Moving /usr to separate partition. ("David Means")
Re: WordPerfect 8 (Johan Kullstam)
What backup program? (Ken Arromdee)
Help! what hostname is that? ("news.jaring.my")
Re: telnet in as root? (TRG Software : Tim Greer)
vmware for linux (Ramin Sina)
Re: What are the differences between mySQL and mSQL? (Paul D. Smith)
Re: Only ROOT can login??
Re: Dumped Redhat like a stale girlfriend...SuSE is for me ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Paid Linux Support (brian moore)
Re: telnet in as root? ("Adam C. Emerson")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul D. Smith)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.lang.java.databases
Subject: Re: What are the differences between mySQL and mSQL?
Date: 03 Jun 1999 00:49:25 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
%% [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
p> According to Ruiming Chen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> The Subject askes its all. Are they the same free database software
>> with two names? Or they are two different free database software?
>> Are they both run on Linux?
p> MySQL started out as a set of matches to mSQL by a team of application
p> programmers who wrote a package arround mSQL. When they realized the
p> limitations of mSQL, and that no amount of patches would get arround
p> them, they re-wrote their own database engine internally from the
p> ground up, but maintained (more or less) the same external (mSQL)
p> interface.
This is a common misconception, but it is not true. The database engine
of MySQL is significantly older and more mature than the entire mSQL
package; originally, though, it wasn't used with an SQL database. Heck,
mSQL has only had even acceptable indexing since mSQL 2.0 was released
what, a year ago?
When TcX decided to modify the database engine to be an SQL database,
they did use mSQL as the model for the API, etc. They wanted the MySQL
interface to be a drop-in replacement for those using mSQL.
Since then, it has diverged significantly.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Subject: Re: Is This Illegal?
Date: 3 Jun 1999 04:40:59 GMT
On 3 Jun 1999 03:42:42 GMT,
K Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Carl Fink <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> : On 2 Jun 1999 21:23:53 GMT K Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> : >
> : >Just so my post was not misconstrued as I am intending, although I could
> : >see how it may have been, to burn distro CDs to distribute for profit, I
> : >refer to you the links below:
>
> : Just so you know: several companies are already doing this, and
> : you'll have a hard time competing with prices like LSL's or
> : Cheap*Bytes's, which range as low as $1/disk.
>
> I guess you never checked out the links I provided. That's fine.
I did, and I saw no difference between a book store duping "RH GPL" and
Cheapbytes doing it. (Heck, if it's a book store, they're cutting their
own sales by selling a few less copies of the 'official' book that they
make a nice healthy royalty on.)
--
Brian Moore | "The Zen nature of a spammer resembles
Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | a cockroach, except that the cockroach
Usenet Vandal | is higher up on the evolutionary chain."
Netscum, Bane of Elves. Peter Olson, Delphi Postmaster
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From: Anupam Sengupta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Need help editing PATH Variable
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 10:10:22 +0530
On Wed, 02 Jun 1999, David Perkins wrote:
>I just installed RedHat 6.0, and have installed the KDE packet. However, I
>have to edit the path, apparently, and I don't know how to do that. When I
>try running the "startkde" command, I get all of the KDE files with (for
>example) kbgndwm: cannot connect to X server
>kcontrol: cannot connect to X server
You need to set the variable KDEDIR using the following command (assuming the
KDE package has been installed in the default location):
set KDEDIR=/opt/kde
Then type the following commands (from your home directory)
/opt/kde/bin/usedkde
/opt/kde/bin/kde_on
after these commands (which sets KDE to be your startup desktop), type
startx
This should do it (unless you have problem with the X setup). And make sure you
have installed the KDE QT library packages as well.
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From: Anupam Sengupta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Java Development Kit for Linux
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 10:18:13 +0530
On Wed, 02 Jun 1999, Ted wrote:
>Does anyone know if the Sun's JDK will work on Linux?
Don't think so (unless Sun has come out with a linux version). However, you can
use the guava and the kaffe packages to have java on your m/c (and Java binary
support is built right in the kernel : -)
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Reply-To: "Chad Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "Chad Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Disk Druid not improving, and why...
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 13:04:43 -0700
benjamin j snyder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:7j3j90$mo1$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >btw what is it that is broken with disk druid anyway? i found it kind
> >of awkward and confusing, but i think that is almost completely due to
> >me running it a grand total of twice with over a year between.
>
> I only foundit awkward the first time I used it. After that it seems to
make
> perfect sense to me. Although I went through it five or six time before I
> got my system the way I wanted it (due to my newbie-ness at the time), and
then
> I had to redo it on another system as well.
>
> I cant think of anything that I would need that disk druid doesnt offer.
I can
> always use partition magic as well (yes, I have windows on a second hdd -
but
> for games only).
>
How about the little but that, when patitioning drive 1, it reset at the
bios level, drive 0 to dos compatibility mode. I consider that a serious
defect.
>
> I would like to be enlightened on how fdisk is more versatile, if any of
you
> who could inform me are still reading this thread.
> --
> Ben Snyder
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From: Bruce Stephens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Offline newsreader for Linux
Date: 02 Jun 1999 21:57:58 +0100
Steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Blush. Yes, so I see. Actually, I didn't know that xemacs was
> installed on my machine, but I do now!
Updated versions (of Gnus) appear at <URL:http://www.gnus.org/>.
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From: "Jon Smirl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.lang.java.databases
Subject: Re: What are the differences between mySQL and mSQL?
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 01:12:05 -0400
It's not clear to me that I want the ability to modify my database engine.
Commercial versions of these engines go through extreme reliability testing
before being released.
Sybase on Linux is completely free in binary form - check out
http://linux.sybase.com. If you want to use Perl you don't have to buy
anything.
The Sybase Java driver for Linux is not free, but you only need the
workplace version to cover Linux.
http://www.sybase.com/products/internet/jconnect/ It costs $495. This gives
you an unlimited user, commerical deployment license. $495 is less than
msql/mysql would cost for commercial use. There is a free eval of JConnect
available too.
If you want to use the Sybase Linux server from Windows, just configure the
Microsoft SQL Server ODBC driver to point to the Linux server. MS SQL and
Sybase SQL were the same product at one time and they are very compatible
with each other. You can get ADO support with the ADO:ODBC bridge.
Sybase is a full feature database engine that is the flagship product of a
billion dollar software company. It is extremely reliable and well tested.
The Sybase engine supports thing like hot backup, mirrored servers, two
phase commit, multiple language sorting, SMP, etc. that are not availabe in
the mSQL/mySQL packages.
Oracle and Informix and also offering free versions of their engines for
development purposes only. Expect a big bill ($10-50K) from them when your
app goes live.
Jon Smirl
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kimoto)
Subject: Re: glibc-crypt-2.1.1 ?
Date: 3 Jun 1999 01:00:02 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Robert Burrows wrote:
> I am thinking of upgrading my glibc from 2.0.7 to 2.1.1. For this I
> understand I need glibc-crypt-2.1.1.tar.gz but I cannot find it. Do I
> really need it
Yes, you do. There were no changes in glibc-crypt between 2.1 and 2.1.1,
so you should use glibc-crypt-2.1.tar.gz.
--
Paul Kimoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: "Frank Yan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: PPP problem?!
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 01:25:19 -0400
I changed initial string for the modem, it's better, but it's still not
so fast as under windows. Could you please tell me what your
initial string is?
Thanks.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> If you invoke pppd with the debug option it will log the handshake
>over the modem to syslog, including reporting the modem speed. What I
>found, when I got my external USRobotics modem, was that I was always
>connecting at 9600 and it was very frustrating. Then, one time, I happened
>to break out of a minicom session and when I fired up pppd I got a 48000
>baud connection! I tried to duplicate minicom's initializating string in
>my chat script but it didn't do any good, so now, when I boot up my
machine,
>I start minicom, and then either kill 9 it or exit without resetting the
>modem, and everything is fine after that until I turn off the modem or
>reboot.
> Hope that helps. (And yes, if I knew how to get the furshlugginer
>chat script to initialize the modem without minicoms help that would be
>great too. But figuring that out is just too far down on my queue right
>now as I don't reboot very often.)
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From: "David Means" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Moving /usr to separate partition.
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 15:03:18 -0700
Walter Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> [...]
> What I did was 'cp -dpR /usr /usr2' (which turns out I made a
> subdirectory in the nature of /usr2/usr/* but I moved them back out) and
> as far as I can tell all permissions and ownerships were preserved.
This looks good to me.
>
> So I renamed /usr /usr3, changed /ect/fstab to reflect the new /usr
> partition mounted on /usr, now the system uses the new parition for
> /usr, no problem.
>
> Just wanted to make *real* sure that everything should be okay with the
> method I used before I rm -R /usr2.
>
> I did a du -s on both partitions, coming up with the same bytes, but
> permissions I am more scared of.. (hehe, first time I tried it I didn't
> put in the d flag in cp, that was ugly.. :)
Talk about belt and suspenders. You must have been bitten once before,
or else listened when the old warhorses were talking in the barn :-)
> [snip]
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From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: WordPerfect 8
Date: 02 Jun 1999 16:45:24 -0400
/gf/ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> It turns out WordPerfect 8 is not really enjoyable
> as crippled as it is.
>
> Before I go ahead and buy the full version, does it allow
> to make the pull-down menus bigger? My eyes have problems
> reading the menu entries.
try using 100dpi fonts. install the 100dpi fontset and edit
XF86Config to put the 100s in front of the 75s in the font path. this
helped me with netscape. perhaps it will work on wordperfect too.
--
johan kullstam
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Subject: What backup program?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ken Arromdee)
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 21:57:54 GMT
I'd like to know what tape backup programs people recommend (Red Hat 6,
Iomega Ditto parallel port 2G drive).
I'd like something I can download for free and that is a little easier to use
than mt, tar, and *io. I'm running the Cheapbytes version of Red Hat 6,
without the extra disks.
--
Ken Arromdee |They said it was *daft* to build a space
[EMAIL PROTECTED] |station in a swamp, but I showed them! It
[EMAIL PROTECTED] |sank into the swamp. So I built a second
http://www.inetnow.net/~arromdee|space station. That sank into the swamp too.
================================+My third space station sank into the swamp.
So I built a fourth one. That fell into a time warp and _then_ sank into the
swamp. But the fifth one... stayed up! --Monty Python/Babylon 5
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From: "news.jaring.my" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Help! what hostname is that?
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 14:04:34 +0800
well, sorry to say that I finally manage to install Redhat v6. But also
need to point out that i was a complete newby to linux system. On the first
booting into the newly installed redhat, it asks for Hostname and password.
Well, i do remember to provide a password, but there is no hostname that I
have fixed during the installation process. What hostname should I key in,
I have try things like 'Administrator' like in NT4 etc, but nothing seems to
work....
any help will be appreciated.
newbies
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Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 15:23:02 -0700
From: TRG Software : Tim Greer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: telnet in as root?
"D. Vrabel" wrote:
>
> > There's not usually a very good reason to want to do that. It's best
> > (and more secure, obviously) to 'su' from a current telnet session.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Logging in as root and su'ing to root have the same security risk because
> the password is sent as plain text for anybody to read. Use ssh for
> greater security.
>
> David Vrabel
As I stated in my prior post, "In comparison to flat out allowing
someone to just telnet in as root straight off, it's much better".
It's a lot less likely in the prior manner, then his original question,
is all I had meant. Be it ssh or not, it's still a bad idea (if you ask
me) all around to allow someone to initially log in as right right off.
My post hadn't made mention of ssh, as a few others already did. The
chances of retrieving the current users' session and password, *and* the
su password, are less likely then just the user alone. He wanted to be
able to log in as root right off, and I was (A poor example perhaps)
stating that it's not a good idea. I should have made my post more clear
of what I meant and why. Sorry for the (possibly misleading) confusion.
:-)
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From: Ramin Sina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: vmware for linux
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 18:28:45 -0400
has anyone tried vmware ? Any opinions?
Ramin Sina
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul D. Smith)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.lang.java.databases
Subject: Re: What are the differences between mySQL and mSQL?
Date: 03 Jun 1999 01:53:51 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
%% "Jon Smirl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
js> It's not clear to me that I want the ability to modify my database
js> engine. Commercial versions of these engines go through extreme
js> reliability testing before being released.
MySQL can be modified to do such things as add new types, functions,
etc. Sometimes people need this flexibility in order to make their
database accesses sufficiently fast or useful.
However, I'm not denying that Sybase is a much more powerful engine than
MySQL and supports many features it doesn't. Obviously if you require
transactions, etc. then MySQL is definitely not for you.
I'm merely pointing out that, as behooves us on a Linux newsgroup, when
I say "this app is free" I mean much, much more than just "it doesn't
cost anything".
js> The Sybase engine supports thing like hot backup, mirrored
js> servers, two phase commit, multiple language sorting, SMP,
js> etc. that are not availabe in the mSQL/mySQL packages.
Agree for all this... except SMP? MySQL is a threaded solution so it
should be able to take full advantage of SMP. Certainly mSQL, which is
single process/single thread, cannot make much use of SMP.
On the other hand, all these features come with a cost, in speed,
complexity of management, minimum hardware requirements, etc.: for many
purposes a very fast, reliable, lightweight solution like MySQL is more
appropriate.
--
===============================================================================
Paul D. Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Network Management Development
"Please remain calm...I may be mad, but I am a professional." --Mad Scientist
===============================================================================
These are my opinions---Nortel Networks takes no responsibility for them.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: Only ROOT can login??
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 06:58:05 GMT
On Sun, 30 May 1999 03:49:53 GMT, Edmond Cheng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Yes, it works.
>
>Could anyone tell me which program creates the /etc/nologin file and how it
>creates!!!
>
>Thanks,
>Edmond
SysVinit in 5.1 is buggy. Upgrade to SysVinit-2.74.4.i386.rpm.
See http://www.redhat.com/corp/support/errata/rh51-errata-general.html#SysVinit
korthals
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Dumped Redhat like a stale girlfriend...SuSE is for me
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 05:59:20 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, I wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mike Kerr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Yes, but when people ask, "So, what OS you runnin' these days?" it sounds
>>soooo much cooler to answer, "Why, Red Hat, of course." than to say "Me, I
>>like Soooze." I mean, "Sooze?" Come on, really.
....<snip>...
> The best name anybody's thought up for their distribution so
>far is slackware though. It's only my opinion of course, but it's
>true. I will however agree that RedHat ain't a bad name either. Maybe
>Suse is ultra-cool in German.
>
....<snip>...
I just had a thought, could 'Suse' have been inspired by the name
of German computer pioneer Konrad Zuse?
--
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("Moreover, I maintain that Microsoft should not be used." A toned down
adaptation of a sig from Cato the Elder regarding the city of Carthage.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Subject: Re: Paid Linux Support
Date: 3 Jun 1999 06:00:11 GMT
On Tue, 01 Jun 1999 20:51:24 GMT,
Darren Greer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> A friend of mine works for a company that uses Debian Linux as there
> servers. I heard a while back that HP was going to be offering a paid
> support program for Linux. Two question follow:
>
> -Does that only include Linux support in HP hardware?
> -Does that require a specific distribution?
No idea. I do know HP is providing hardware and support to port Linux
to their own hardware including PA-RISC.
> If anyone knows of any other company that, for a monthly fee, would
> provide linux techinical support, please let me know, so I can let my
> friend know.
Try http://www.linuxcare.com/
--
Brian Moore | "The Zen nature of a spammer resembles
Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | a cockroach, except that the cockroach
Usenet Vandal | is higher up on the evolutionary chain."
Netscum, Bane of Elves. Peter Olson, Delphi Postmaster
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From: "Adam C. Emerson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: telnet in as root?
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 23:04:24 GMT
[ Followup-To set to comp.os.linux.misc ]
In comp.os.linux.misc jimlynn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[ Reformatted for width ]
> Hi,
> I have a RedHat 5.2 system and I want to be able to telnet into
> the system as root. How would I go about setting this up?
1. Don't. Telnet in as a normal person, then su to root. That
way you'll have a log of who became root over telnet. (Useful
for detecting the occasional cracker.)
2. If you really want to, add ttyp0, ttyp1, ttyp2, etc. to
/etc/securetty. Some people reccommend removing everything
from securetty, so that everyone has to su to root, making
sure there's always a log of whose account may be compromised.
--
Adam C. Emerson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.calvin.edu/~aemers19/
Preach from it unto the Righteous, that they may renounce their
ways and repent. -- Honest Book of Truth
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