Linux-Misc Digest #538, Volume #20 Tue, 8 Jun 99 06:13:09 EDT
Contents:
Re: Finger... "No Plan" ("Peter Caffin")
Re: Linux and MSN e-mail (Denton)
MB doesnt like Non-SMP kernel (David Tansley)
Re: finding files with words that may be on different lines (Andreas Kyek)
SBLive locks up system! (David Tansley)
Re: using winmodems under Linux ?? (Mark Hahn)
Re: Redhat 5.2 and fort77 (Ronald Fowler)
Re: Large CD-ROM file errors...? (Mark Tranchant)
Re: RH 6: How to change login default screen ("Evan R. Battle")
Driver for HP Laserjet 4000N in WordPerfect 8 ??? (Nguyen-Dai Quy)
Re: ipfwadm only works for sometimes ("RJHM van den Bergh")
PPP Config-Requests Problem (Nathan)
Re: whee is FETCH? (Frank Wassermann)
LILO and BeOS ("Aureliano Buendia")
gnome and enlightenment (Jonas Pedersen)
Re: Q: ppp connection (Mihaly Gyulai)
Errors Rotating Logs Mail Message (Mike)
Re: Disk Druid not improving, and why... (Mike)
Re: Does Java run well on Linux? (Donal K. Fellows)
Re: Screenwriting/playwriting software for Linux? (Mike)
Re: using winmodems under Linux ?? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: strange network problem ("Manuel Garc�a Tall�s")
Re: SOUND: /dev/sndstat unreadable ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: "Peter Caffin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Finger... "No Plan"
Date: 8 Jun 1999 07:19:50 GMT
Nick Codignotto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> When I am logged on remotely via telbet and I execute finger on one of the
> users on the system, the contents of the .plan file do not display. [...]
> Is this a permissions problem? [...]
Yep. `chmod 644 ~/.plan` should fix it.
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Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 21:07:22 -1000
From: Denton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux and MSN e-mail
Daved wrote:
>
> Does anyone know how (if possible) to access MSN e-mail?
No, it is NOT possible. Their server is set up so that only Outlook and
Outlook Express can access email. It has someting to do with the
authentication protocol they are using.
Jeff
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Tansley)
Subject: MB doesnt like Non-SMP kernel
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 08:13:37 GMT
Just compiled a 2.2.5 kernel for use with my SuSE 6.0 system and have discovered an
odd thing. I have a crappy socket 7, PCChips Mobo (M572) which quite definately only
has one CPU. However, when I try to boot from a kernel with NO SMP support built in,
the system gets to "Uncompressing kernel. Linux is now loading" and hangs
indefinately. Putting SMP support into the kernel solves this everytime.
Does anyone know why this should happen or how I can cure it?
Thanks in advance
--
Dave
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Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 10:23:24 +0200
From: Andreas Kyek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: finding files with words that may be on different lines
Hey,
grep -E 'pattern1|pattern2|pattern3' file_list (or egrep, if it's there)
finds all lines in file_list containing one of the three patterns.
Andreas
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I'm trying to use grep to find files containing keywords.
> Unfortunately these keywords are not all on the same line so grep won't
> find all the correct files. Is there a way I can do this?
>
> Paul
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Tansley)
Subject: SBLive locks up system!
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 08:10:54 GMT
I've just compiled a 2.2.5 kernel to use with my SuSE 6.0 system and as a consequence
also managed to get my SBLive Value card working....sort of.
I'm using the latest beta drivers from creative, and had to manually install them.
After an "insmod soundcore; insmod -f sblive" the sound seems to work fine. It will
play back WAVs with KDE's media player. However, any other attempt to play sound (KDE
system events, games etc) causes the entire system to lock up, requiring a reset
button press.
Anyone know why this should be so?
The only thing I can think of is that I had to compile the kernel with SMP support
(see another post) and the drivers say they are compatible only with non-SMP
kernels....
Thanks in advance
--
Dave
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From: Mark Hahn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: using winmodems under Linux ??
Date: 8 Jun 1999 05:04:47 GMT
> Quite simple really. No, Win modems can't work with Linux.
thisi a quite simply false, of course. the problem is that winmodem
vendors refuse to document their products. since without this
documetation, their products are glorified sound effect cards,
they do not currently work with Linux. they COULD, but don't.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ronald Fowler)
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.install,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Redhat 5.2 and fort77
Date: 8 Jun 1999 08:52:55 GMT
On 8 Jun 1999 02:40:58 GMT, Nick Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Hi,
>
>I was wondering if anyone could help. I have just installed RedHat 5.2 from
>a PCPLUS cover disk (May 1999). I cannot get fort77 to compile a fortran
>program. The error message reads as follows:
>
>ld: cannot open crt1.o: No such file or directory
>
>I have installed the updated libc-5 libraries from redhat.
>
Have you tried g77? It comes with the egcs package(s) and compiles
directly, without converting to C. It works for me on RH5.2.
I have not tried fort77 myself.
Ron
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From: Mark Tranchant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: Large CD-ROM file errors...?
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 07:44:54 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thanks to an earlier poster, it looks like the "cruft" mount option is
the problem / cure. As I have worked around my problem, I'm not bothered
any more - until the next time!
Mark.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > I got a friend to burn the StarOffice 5.1
> download onto a CD-R for me
> >
> > On getting home, I booted up Linux (2.2.9, with
> full CD support
> > including Joliet compiled in) and tried to copy
> the 70.6MB file.
> > However, Linux could only see the first 16MB or
> thereabouts.
>
> I've got the same problem with CD-R's written
> under Win95. If you look at /var/log/messages
> you'll see some errors like this:
>
> kernel: isofs_read_level3_size: More than 100 file
> sections ?!?, aborting...
>
> I got around this by patching fs/isofs/inode.c,
> just above this error message, and another similar
> one, to use 10000 retries insted of 100. It looks
> like some CD-R's will get written with many
> fragments.
>
> Can anyone confirm this is the fix?
>
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> Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
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From: "Evan R. Battle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: RH 6: How to change login default screen
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 20:39:17 -0400
edit your etc/inittab and change a line that looks something like:
id:5:*&%$## (i can't remember what it says -- I'm using M$ right now :-( )
to
id:3:*&%^$#
this line will be after the lines that tell the different runlevels and give
you a description of each.
Good Luck
Al Dev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I enabled the xdm login screen during install of RH6.
> The result is every time i log out the login screen displays user and
> pw.
>
> How do I enter the command line console mode login screen??
>
> I want to go into command line login: prompt and than I want to do
> 'startx' to
> start the xsession
>
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From: Nguyen-Dai Quy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup,alt.os.linux
Subject: Driver for HP Laserjet 4000N in WordPerfect 8 ???
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 10:36:15 +0200
Hi,
I just installed WP8 on my Linux box (RH-5.2). But I con not found
driver for my Printer HP Laserjet 4000N.
You have any ideas ?
Thanks in advance.
__
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// \ \ Tel:+32-4-3669241 Fax:+32-4-3669311
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From: "RJHM van den Bergh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: ipfwadm only works for sometimes
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 10:56:39 +0200
Got the answer.
Changing the mtu only doesn't help.
On my setup I've also set the mru to 576.
This was the setup for the ppp0
location /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-ppp0
This is the maximum recieve unit.
You can't set mru with ifconfig , only mtu.
So I edited the ifcfg file to use an mtu and mru of 1500
same as the ethernet card and all worked well.
(both where 576 the optimum for demon.nl)
Thanks for the suggestions.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.nedernet.nl/~rvdb
==========
<snip>
RJHM van den Bergh wrote in message
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>I do have a problem with Linux RedHat 5.1 and ipfwadm.
>
>Situation:
>ppp0 with external ISDN TA
>Private LAN 10.0.0.0
>The Linux box acts as a gateway to the internet.
>Attached on the Linux Box is an NT workstation.
>
>With the Linux box I can surf to every site.
>With the NT box I can surf to ALLMOST every site.
>I use ipfwadm on the Linux box to do masquarading.
>
......
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From: Nathan <"nathan@nocannedmeat"@ipeg.com>
Subject: PPP Config-Requests Problem
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 01:28:26 -0700
First off I'm running RH 6.0 with pppd version 2.3.7. My ISP is running
Debian with 2.0.35. I'm using Redhat's ifcfg network configuration
system as my ppp interface. But once I connect it gives me 'IPCP:
timeout sending Config-Requests' and then terminates. What is happening
here? Any suggestions are appreciated. Below is the error log and my
config files.
/var/log/messages
<---------- Snip ----------->
May 14 01:00:28 rival chat[473]: expect (ogin:)
May 14 01:00:28 rival chat[473]: 57600^M
May 14 01:00:31 rival chat[473]: ^M
May 14 01:00:31 rival chat[473]: Commserver 1 - Authorized Use Only ^M
May 14 01:00:31 rival chat[473]: ^M
May 14 01:00:31 rival chat[473]: ^M
May 14 01:00:31 rival chat[473]: login:
May 14 01:00:31 rival chat[473]: -- got it
May 14 01:00:31 rival chat[473]: send (nathan^M)
May 14 01:00:31 rival chat[473]: expect (ord:)
May 14 01:00:31 rival chat[473]: nathan^M
May 14 01:00:31 rival chat[473]: Password:
May 14 01:00:31 rival chat[473]: -- got it
May 14 01:00:31 rival chat[473]: send (**********^M)
May 14 01:00:31 rival chat[473]: timeout set to 50 seconds
May 14 01:00:31 rival pppd[468]: Serial connection established.
May 14 01:00:31 rival pppd[468]: Using interface ppp0
May 14 01:00:31 rival pppd[468]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/modem
May 14 01:00:35 rival kernel: PPP BSD Compression module registered
May 14 01:00:35 rival kernel: PPP Deflate Compression module registered
#Hangs right here for 30 secs
May 14 01:01:05 rival pppd[468]: IPCP: timeout sending Config-Requests
# Then ...
May 14 01:01:06 rival pppd[468]: Connection terminated.
May 14 01:01:06 rival pppd[468]: Connect time 0.6 minutes.
May 14 01:01:07 rival pppd[468]: Exit.
<---------- Snip ----------->
/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-ppp0
PERSIST=yes
DEFROUTE=yes
ONBOOT=no
INITSTRING=ATZM1
MODEMPORT=/dev/modem
LINESPEED=57600
ESCAPECHARS=no
DEFABORT=yes
HARDFLOWCTL=yes
DEVICE=ppp0
PPPOPTIONS=
DEBUG=yes
PAPNAME=
REMIP=
IPADDR=
BOOTPROTO=none
MTU=
MRU=
DISCONNECTTIMEOUT=
RETRYTIMEOUT=
USERCTL=yes
/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/chat-ppp0
'ABORT' 'BUSY'
'ABORT' 'ERROR'
'ABORT' 'NO CARRIER'
'ABORT' 'NO DIALTONE'
'ABORT' 'Invalid Login'
'ABORT' 'Login incorrect'
'' 'ATZM1'
'OK' 'ATDT6384734'
'CONNECT' ''
'ogin:' 'nathan'
'ord:' '**********'
'TIMEOUT' '5'
'~--' ''
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From: Frank Wassermann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: whee is FETCH?
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 09:36:06 +0200
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try to run fetch with the switch -vvv to have verbose output...
Frank
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> hello
>
> i setup leafnode as per instructionsbut and after a reboot i try
> typing fetch (after logging on) but nothing happens?
>
> do i need to add an absolute path to fetch???
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From: "Aureliano Buendia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.install,redhat.general
Subject: LILO and BeOS
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 12:42:01 +0400
Hey there.
Here's the deal: I used to have a dual boot box (Win98 and Linux on separate
drives) and LILO worked just nicely.
Now, I have also installed BeOS onto a separate partition and the LILO got
replaced by the BeOS boot manager which boots both Be and Win just OK but
fails as far as Linux is concerned.
It detected all my Linux partitions (swap and two native ones) and lists
them in the boot options menu. The problem is neither of them boots. I get
the following error message: "Loading Linux native. Boot sector signature
not found"
What do you think would be a better solution for triple boot: LILO or the
BeOS boot loader? How can I restore LILO (I currently cannot acces Linux at
all)
Please, copy your replies to my e-mail.
Aureliano
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From: Jonas Pedersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: gnome and enlightenment
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 10:51:18 +0200
I have just compiled gnome and enlightenment on my linux box. I run it
thrugh gnome-sesseion.
My cuestion is how do I place any icons on the deskto????
Please HELP
Jonas Pedersen
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From: Mihaly Gyulai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Q: ppp connection
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 06:38:34 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"U.Baumanis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I can't get ppp connection to my ISP (dialup)
> localhost chat[5175]: Your IP address is 159.148.60.104.
> localhost pppd[5174]: Serial connection established.
> localhost pppd[5174]: Using interface ppp0
> localhost pppd[5174]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/ttyS0
> localhost pppd[5174]: LCP: timeout sending Config-Requests
It seems that you have your PPP connection well established, but you
did not sent or received anything, therefore the connection was closed...
If you tried to send (or receive) anything, this is another case...
If your server is a bit slow, you can try to add to your 'chat' file :
lcp-max-configure 30
(into the line where 'modem' 'noipdefault' and 'crtscts' are...)
--
Mihaly Gyulai
http://www.freeyellow.com/members5/gyulai/
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mike)
Subject: Errors Rotating Logs Mail Message
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 09:10:00 GMT
Hi,
When I log on as root (as opposed to su) I get a notification that I
have mail. When I check it I get 2 or more messages stating that there
were errors rotating the httpd logs. So the question is what does this
mean? And where should I go to start looking into it? man httpd? man
syslogd?
Any help appreciated, thanks!
mike
p.s. RH 6.0, also occured in 5.2. Stock install nothing changed with
respect to logging or setting up httpd.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mike)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Disk Druid not improving, and why...
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 08:58:26 GMT
kind of late to the thread but my prob with Disk Druid has been it's
seeming inability to format swap space unless that space has already
been formatted with another OS. There has been several times that
I've had installs crash after copying just about enough files to fit
into my swap. I eventually figured out that if I format that partition
with NT and then delete it and recreate it in Disk Druid it formats it
ok and the install proceeds without a hitch.
go figure
mike
On 02 Jun 1999 10:01:44 -0400, Johan Kullstam
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne) writes:
>
>> On Fri, 28 May 1999 07:54:11 -0700, Chad Mulligan
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >>> Well that's something to keep in mind when using linux. Your device
>> >>> drivers may be written by a part time hacker. If the performance
>> >>> suffers there isn't a whole lot you can do about it.
>> >>
>> >>Usually someone in the community will write a better driver.
>> >>Dont you understand yet? Thats the whole essence of what is great about
>> >>open source software. If something sucks, its fixed - fast.
>> >>
>> >If this is so.. Please explain Disk Druid?
>>
>> If there are two programs that fulfil the same general purpose, one of
>> them is buggy, and the other is not, people will tend to use the one
>> that is less buggy.
>>
>> Add to this the consideration that changes are made by those that are
>> *capable* of programming. The people that are capable of fixing Disk
>> Druid very probably already use fdisk because it is generally more
>> featureful, and thus don't greatly *care* that Disk Druid is
>> "broken."
>
>i think it also has a hell of a lot to do with how often you are
>likely to run disk druid. i don't know about you, but i repartition
>my drives fairly seldom - on the order of once per year if that.
>now some people are always setting up machines, but these will be a
>minority.
>
>btw what is it that is broken with disk druid anyway? i found it kind
>of awkward and confusing, but i think that is almost completely due to
>me running it a grand total of twice with over a year between.
>
>--
>johan kullstam
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donal K. Fellows)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.caldera,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Does Java run well on Linux?
Date: 8 Jun 1999 09:14:56 GMT
In article <7jaq1r$144$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Pokka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sorry, the fact is: Java is as crappy as (if not more crappy than)
> Windoze. If you ever tried writing an application on Java, you'll
> notice that its performance is worse than the worst VB program you
> can write.
My job is (amongst other things) writing a server[*] in Java. My
experience shows that for server applications, Java is around 40% of
the speed of highly optimised C, but with a much larger memory
footprint. These measurements were taken with 1.1.7 so it is even
possible that things may have improved even further now.
> The latest version (2.x) is a joke. I used to have a
> P100 32MB RAM PC. It's so slow that I can see how the menus are
> drawn. Its performance is tolerable now after I upgraded the PC to
> 450Mhz AMD K6-2 with 192 MB RAM.
Hmm. I wonder why, since 2.0 is completely useable on an Ultra5 with
128MB of memory (my development platform.) Somehow, Motif manages to
conspire to be even slower than Java...
Donal.
[* I have not yet performance-tested the GUI side. ]
--
Donal K. Fellows http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~fellowsd/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- The small advantage of not having California being part of my country would
be overweighed by having California as a heavily-armed rabid weasel on our
borders. -- David Parsons <o r c @ p e l l . p o r t l a n d . o r . u s>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mike)
Crossposted-To: misc.writing.screenplays
Subject: Re: Screenwriting/playwriting software for Linux?
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 09:05:59 GMT
I would be interested as well. Sounds like a good project for someone
to tackle. Maybe someday I'll be there, still waiting for the World to
respond to my Hello.
On Sun, 06 Jun 1999 11:37:59 GMT, Paul Gallagher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Hi,
>Hope I've got the right forums. My operating system is Linux
>(specifically, Red Hat Linux 6.0), and I wondered if anyone knew
>whether screenwriting software existed for Linux. I'm searching for
>either complete packages, similar to Final Draft or Movie Magic, or
>add-ons which can work with either WordPerfect 8 (for Linux) or
>StarOffice.
>Anyone have ideas? Thank you.
>
>P
>
>
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: using winmodems under Linux ??
Date: 8 Jun 1999 11:09:04 +0100
Ronald Haynes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi, I am considering purchasing a new computer. Almost every system
> I consider comes with a winmodem.
> I had heard in the past that this may cause difficulties under Linux, is
> this the case?
Winmodems simply won't work under Linux, as nobody has been able to write
a driver so far (and probably won't before a long time as the winmodem
makers seem reluctant to release programming info about them).
Apart from that your system should work just fine as a standalone
workstation :-)
--
Alain Borel
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: "Manuel Garc�a Tall�s" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: strange network problem
Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 10:41:41 +0200
under my knowledge the netmask for loopback is 255.0.0.0
try to change this....
bye
Sitaram Chamarty escribi� en mensaje ...
>On 3 Jun 1999 14:27:34 GMT, Stefano Ghirlanda
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Hi,
>>I have upgraded from redhat 5.2 to 6.0, and I have a problem with my
>>networking setup. For example:
>>
>>stefano: stefano> ping localhost
>>PING localhost (127.0.0.1): 56 data bytes
>>
>>--- localhost ping statistics ---
>>7 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss
>
>Does "route -n" show up a list with this line in it?
>
> 127.0.0.1 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 lo
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: SOUND: /dev/sndstat unreadable
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 02:20:34 -0700
>>For now, you can make a regular file called /dev/sndstat which'll fool
>>studio into thinking it's read the info. It only really gets used for
>>cosmetic purposes.
Thank you ever so much -> all is working nicely thanks to your post.
>>Then send us a postcard!! (see above link also 8-)
Promise.
Prem
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