Linux-Misc Digest #607, Volume #20 Sat, 12 Jun 99 19:13:16 EDT
Contents:
Linux Software Archive + more (Never spam a hacker)
How to download kodak DC210 pics to linux? (Turpin Rob)
Re: LinuxShopping.com Domain name. (Jim Shaffer, Jr.)
Re: ? Linux community manage vs. chaos ? (Erik de Castro Lopo)
Re: Can I load Windows95 from Linux (-ljl-)
Re: using dd (-ljl-)
Re: Cd-rom Install Problem (John Girash)
Re: putting wordperfect 8 icon on KDE (Sid Boyce)
Re: procmail question (Cameron L. Spitzer)
Re: Microsoft =?iso-8859-1?Q?FrontPage=AE?= 2000 Server Extensions for Linux...
(Cameron L. Spitzer)
Re: Shutting down as a normal user.. (Anthony DeLuca)
Re: Shutting down as a normal user.. (Anthony DeLuca)
Help: setting up cdrom on ide on SB16 PnP ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: What is the newest version of Apache for RedHat 5.2? (Cameron L. Spitzer)
Re: how do I save my desktop in KDE? (Mircea)
Apache in SuSE 6.0 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Cache tuning ("David Means")
HP-720 ("T.Goudriaan")
Re: command not found (Collin W. Hitchcock)
Re: Shutting down as a normal user.. (Klaus Koch)
Apache directory Listing (Andre Giordano)
Re: Commercially speaking....? (Peter Hayes)
Re: Can I use SCSI Emulator & SCSI? (Tom Reinertson)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Never spam a hacker)
Subject: Linux Software Archive + more
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 22:15:12 GMT
Hi
http://members.xoom.com/myvillage/linux
includes a new Linux Help Forum for beginners and advanced users. This
forum is still new, so start posting. But the main feature of this
site is its software archive for Linux. It will soon be having a
search engine but it currently neatly categorized.
Check out this site now.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Turpin Rob)
Subject: How to download kodak DC210 pics to linux?
Date: 11 Jun 1999 22:37:39 GMT
I'm thinking of getting a Kodak 210 digital camera but, don't know how I would
download the pics to linux. Anyone have some advice? Thanks.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Shaffer, Jr.)
Subject: Re: LinuxShopping.com Domain name.
Date: 12 Jun 1999 15:16:08 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The InterNIC (or whoever serves their function now) needs something like the
FCC's "due dilligence" policy: if you don't put up a meaningful site in a
certain period of time, your name gets revoked. How would I go about suggesting
this?
--
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Member, Susquehanna Valley Amateur Astronomers
<http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/2999/svaa.html>
Personal Home Page: http://woodstock.csrlink.net/~jshaffer
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From: Erik de Castro Lopo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ? Linux community manage vs. chaos ?
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 06:48:44 +1000
pangloss wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > Hi Linux community members,
>
> > How is it possible that Linux has succesfully grown by contributions from
> > so many different persons, without degenerating into chaos ?
>
> > Where did the structures originate, and become disciplined/enforced to:
> > collect bug reports and enhancements, to feed into next code update,
> > ...............................................documentation update,
> > enable contributions from dispersed outsiders, yet avoid chaos from
> > undiscipled/incompetent 'members',
> > allow division of labour, (specialisation) in co-operated efforts,
> > etc .............etc ?
>
> > Thanks, Chris Glur.
>
> > Ps. I thought I posted this some time ago ? perhaps I missed the replies ?
> > Please reply me a copy, direct email. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
>
> There is an essay on how it works, by Eric Raymond. It is called
> "The Cathedral and the Bazaar", and it is webbed (I don't have the
> url at hand, just do a search.)
Its somewhere under http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/
Erik
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Erik de Castro Lopo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Running MS-Windows on a Pentium is like having a brand new Porsche
but only be able to drive backwards with the handbrake on.
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From: -ljl- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Can I load Windows95 from Linux
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 20:37:41 GMT
In article <01beb429$5e5d8a80$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"David Murray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > But, if you're in Linux, what in the world would compel you to go
back?
> > Anyway, what's wrong with lilo?
>
> I still have to use Windows95 for my scanner, video capture card, and
> StarCraft. The thing is, I like my computer to boot to Linux by
default,
> so Lilo defaults to Linux. In order to reload Windows I have to shut
down,
> reboot and wait for the Lilo prompt to tell it to load Windows. This
is a
> pain.. I'd like to be able to do something that would automatically
halt
> Linux and reload Windows95 without changing LILO to default to
Windows95.
Have you looked at VMware. You can run Windows (3.1, 95, 98, NT)
under Linux, concurrently, having the best of both worlds.
http://www.vmware.com
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From: -ljl- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: using dd
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 20:27:28 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Marc Mutz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dan Kubilos wrote:
> >
> > I am running RH 5.2
> >
> > I have an identical empty harddrive.
> >
> > What commands do I need to run in order to use 'dd' to copy entire
disk to
> > disk?
> >
> dd if=/dev/source of=/dev/dest bs=512
Should the device be "/dev/hdc" rather than "/dev/hdc1", i.e. the whole
disk rather than a partition? Of course this would make a disk-image,
I think.
> > Do I need to partition the same first?
> no
>
> >
> > Thanks
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From: John Girash <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Cd-rom Install Problem
Date: 12 Jun 1999 20:47:57 GMT
In comp.os.linux.misc J Chan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> How about the SOny CDU-535? IS there a similar solution?
I don't have kernel sources handy right now, but do remember there being
another file in /usr/src/linux/drivers/cdrom (or similar) whose header
comments described it as being an extension to the Sony CD driver that
supported more models. Take a look there and at the CDROM-Howto and I'll
bet you'll have all the info you need.
jg
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From: Sid Boyce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: putting wordperfect 8 icon on KDE
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 23:42:49 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> How can I make Wordperfect 8 start from an icon on my KDE desktop?
>
> Sorry for the newbie question,
> and thanks for any help...
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
Right, in one of the folders, e.g under
/opt/kde/share/applnk/apps/Office, edit a file called Wordperfect.kdelnk
with the following ....
# KDE Config File
[KDE Desktop Entry]
WmCommand=
BinaryPattern=
Name=Wordperfect
MiniIcon= ### If there is a mini-icon, you can put the name
here ###
Protocols=
MimeType=
Exec=Wordperfect ### or whatever the binary is called ###
Icon=Wordperfect.xpm
TerminalOptions=
Path=
DocPath=
Type=Application
Terminal=0
Comment=Wordperfect 8 Office Suite
Copy your Woedperfect icon to /opt/kde/share/icons/ and if there is a
mini-icon copy it to /opt/kde/share/icons/mini/.
Do a panel restart and that should do it. There is a mkkdelink util,
but it doesn't work under the latest kde versions, so you have to do
hand editing.
Regards
--
... Sid Boyce...Amdahl(Europe)...44-121 422 0375
Any opinions expressed above are mine and do not necessarily represent
the opinions or policies of Amdahl Corporation.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Cameron L. Spitzer)
Crossposted-To: nl.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: procmail question
Date: 12 Jun 1999 21:04:13 GMT
In article <7jjpjj$oc7$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, AMJ wrote:
>Hi there!
>
>I'm using the following .procmailrc file:
>
>LOCKFILE=$HOME/procmail/.procmail.lock
>LOGFILE=$HOME/procmail/procmail.log
>:0 b:
>* ^Subject:.*pm
>$HOME/procmail/bla
>
>Is there a way to save attachments (plain text in this case)
>to a file without the leading body and
>[MIME stuff]
I decode MIME-encoded messages with a command line utility
called munpack which came with Debian-2.1. It's really nice,
detaches the files automatically and tells you what it's doing.
Fixes that gawd-awful Quoted-printable crap, too.
Perhaps something like
:0 b:
* ^Subject:.*pm
| ( cd $HOME/procmail/bla/attachments; munpack >> unpack.log )
would do it.
Cameron
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Cameron L. Spitzer)
Crossposted-To:
microsoft.public.frontpage.extensions.unix,comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix
Subject: Re: Microsoft =?iso-8859-1?Q?FrontPage=AE?= 2000 Server Extensions for
Linux...
Date: 12 Jun 1999 20:58:15 GMT
In article <01beb112$d9fdf720$24921e18@obi-wan-kenobi>, test wrote:
>http://officeupdate.microsoft.com/frontpage/wpp/ is the official website
>for the extensions...
One of my users asked for Frontpage Extensions to Apache, and I looked at
the source patch and it was full of comments like "this creates a race
condition but it doesn't happen very much..." It appears that security
was not exactly the first concern. I can't afford to compromise security
so I didn't install the patch.
What do the Frontpage Extensions really *do*? Is there any functionality
there that can't be had using the normal, trusted Apache modules?
Is there an independent implementation with better security than
Microsoft's version?
Conversely, it turned out my user only wanted the "Extensions" because
he didn't know how to generate plain HTML with Frontpage.
Apparently, Frontpage (or Frontpage Express...) comes "out of the box"
wanting to generate this half-baked stuff that the Extensions turn into
plain HTML when the page is fetched.
Now I have other users who have no problem generating
ugly but usuable plain HTML with Frontpage. (Much less crufty than the
mess Adobe Page Mill generates...) It's just this one guy
could not find the switch in his version of Frontpage that tells it
to generate ordinary HTML instead of the Microsoft proprietary stuff.
He was *not* trying to generate any kind of dynamic content, "webbot,"
none of that.
Could someone describe that switch for me, in terms of finding it
in the Microsoft Frontpage user interface? I don't have any PCs with
Microsoft on them, so I can't try it myself.
TIA
Cameron
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From: Anthony DeLuca <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Shutting down as a normal user..
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 15:20:26 -0400
Yes I know. But, I found it out after I acted too hastily (just a little too much
coffee this morning) . I wish I came across one of his replies earlier, but
I didn't. I did post an apology and am sorry. In the end I am the one who feels
like
an ass. Oh, well.... And again sorry.
Tony
Stewart Honsberger wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Jun 1999 11:03:10 -0400, Anthony DeLuca wrote:
>
> >So, you are a fortune teller that could tell someone had obvious haste and that
> >they babbled.
>
> It's a quote line. He wasn't insulting you, it's likely a generic line that
> gets appended to all of his messages.
>
> Grow a skin and come back when you have the maturity to read the group.
>
> --
> Stewart Honsberger (AKA Blackdeath) @ http://sprk.com/blackdeath/
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Remove 'thirteen' to reply privately)
> Humming along under SuSE Linux 6.0 / OS/2 Warp 4
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From: Anthony DeLuca <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Shutting down as a normal user..
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 16:00:59 -0400
This is the email I sent to Andrew with my apology. Again, sorry and was wrong
for jumping the gun.
This is here for the group to see.
Andrew,
My apologies for the response to your help. I did not know that it was
a quote that you included it in all your replies. I do appreciate the
help from you. I took the response out of context and feel really bad
about my stupid reply to you. I hope you can forgive me. I wish
I would have come across one of your other replies earlier, but I
didn't. That way I would have seen your style and not taken it the
wrong way. My problem was that a while ago I was really belittled for a
posting by someone. This person in turn ended up feeling like I do now
and sent me an apology. I overreacted and have paid dearly for it in
the way of my own guilt, postings and email from others. Again, please
take my apology, and I hope if I do ask a question again that I would
receive help. If not then I understand. Take care.
Tony
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> In his obvious haste, Anthony DeLuca <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled thusly:
> : How come I can't shutdown or reboot as a normal user. This is my home
> : machine....I am told that shutdown is not an available command... I even
> : tried su shutdown -h now.... and it still didn't work...Thanks in
> : advance..
>
> Why do you need to?
> <CTRL ALT DEL> does the same thing.
>
> You must remember that Linux is a multi user operating system, and many of
> the config files are written by the distributors to take this into account.
>
> (This stopping Joe Bloggs from issuing a shutdown command and trashing
> everyone elses work).
>
> Root is the only user that *SHOULD* have that power...
>
> But... The three fingered salute will reboot or halt (depending on the
> config options) the individual machine. Unless the sys-admin/owner has
> disablewd it because it's a multi-user machine).
>
> : Tony
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Help: setting up cdrom on ide on SB16 PnP
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 21:10:35 GMT
I have a quad speed cdrom that is connected to a IDE port on a
Soundblaster16 PnP. If I boot into dos, then soft reboot into Linux it
works because the PnP card is already initialized.
Can I initialize the PnP card before the disks are recognized?
By setting up isapnp.conf, I can initialize the card afterwards. If I
can't get PnP initialized earlier, then can I get the cdrom recognized
after the PnP initialization?
My poor old 486 will be cursed with having to run Dos if I can't solve
this :-(
btw: I'm using Debian 2.1
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Cameron L. Spitzer)
Subject: Re: What is the newest version of Apache for RedHat 5.2?
Date: 12 Jun 1999 21:08:45 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Brad Ball wrote:
>... and where can I download it. In RPM format.
The current version of Apache is 1.3.6. Go to www.apache.org
and pick a nearby mirror to download it.
If you're running a personal Web server for convenience at the
office, grab an RPM.
If you're serious about running a public Web server, build a
custom Apache with exactly the features and layout you need.
No two Apache installs are the same, chances are whoever made the
RPM has different security concerns than you, and the build is pretty easy.
Cameron
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From: Mircea <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: how do I save my desktop in KDE?
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 19:53:33 -0400
For me, KDE does this automatically (version 1.1.1). I don't know about
RH, but in Slackware xinitrc is a symlink, and the default window
manager is the one it points to (xinitrc->xinitrc.kde).
MST
William Schwartz wrote:
>
> I'm trying to save my desktop so when I login next time all my windows come
> back. This is on RedHat6.0 with the KDE that comes with it.
>
> Also, how do I set the login manager so I get kde by default instead of
> gnome?
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Apache in SuSE 6.0
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 22:56:00 GMT
I know I'm a newbie...
Upon running httpd (trying to start up Apache for
the first time), I get this:
sqlinit: DBROOT must be set !!!
For the life of me I can't find where to set
DBROOT. Maybe I'm blind or something but it
doesn't seem to be in any of the confs.
Thanks in advance
PS This is SuSE 6.0 kernel 2.0.36
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From: "David Means" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Cache tuning
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 16:36:48 -0700
Raymonds Doetjes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> You should try to think a bit further pal.
I agree with the request to think a bit further, but it should be taken
to heart. MP3 files are nearly *always* accessed from beginning to end
exactly once, when the `video' is played. So Pierre's question wasn't so
dumb, after all. And it *would* be nice to be able to say to Linux:
"Don't cache files from this {directory, tree, device}". But I don't know
how to tell it that, either.
> mp3 is also just a file and file caching is for files, so that it is
cached
> is logical and coorect. It should make a mess off your system, to cache
> certain files and not to cahce other files. Your timing would clash.
>
> You can however set the max time for caching though you can do that with
> bdflush.
>
> Raymond
>
>
> Pierre Monestie wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> > I would like to know if there is way to tell the linux kernel not to
> > cache certain files or deactivate the caching mecanism for certain
> > processes. Ex: When reading MP3 files from Cd's they get cached and
> > after a certain time all the memory belonging to the cache is allocated
> > for these MP3 files. This is useless and it slows down all the other
> > processes which don't benefit from caching anymore.
> > Thanks for the answers.
> > Pierre
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From: "T.Goudriaan" <goudr @worldonline.nl>
Subject: HP-720
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 23:02:41 +0200
Hello.
I'am just a new user of linux program + software and i have the following
question.
Maybe somebody can tell me how to install (software) for my HP-720
printer, and let it working under linux.
Any help would be appreciated.
T.Goudriaan .Netherlands
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Collin W. Hitchcock)
Subject: Re: command not found
Date: 12 Jun 1999 18:33:35 -0400
> "make command not found" error if i try to use make...as in make
> kernel like this install file is tellin me to do....im usin red hat
> 5.2..i think...anyone know where it is?...or should be
Sounds like make isn't installed. Mount your installation cd or go to
the directory on your harddrive where you downloaded the distribution.
Go to where the rpm files are -- Should be
i386/RedHat/RPMS
There should be a file in this directory:
make-3.76.1-5.i386.rpm
as root type the following:
rpm -i make-3.76.1-5.i386.rpm
Collin
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From: Klaus Koch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Shutting down as a normal user..
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 23:13:24 +0200
try the sudo-command (http://www.courtesan.com/sudo/). it allows
users to run commands as root. i use it to shutdown/reboot my
system and to have control over my isdn-device.
klaus
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From: Andre Giordano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Apache directory Listing
Date: 12 Jun 1999 22:30:43 GMT
Hi , I was wondering if anyone could tell me how to enable the directory
listing in APACHE version 1.3.The permissions are setup ok it's just that
when I do not have a .html it gives me " Forbidden".
Anybody have any solutions or suggestions ?
thanks
Sincerly,
Andr� Giordano
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From: [email protected] (Peter Hayes)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.msdos.misc,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Commercially speaking....?
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 23:05:52 GMT
Reply-To: [email protected]
On Sat, 12 Jun 1999 09:11:11 GMT, John Garrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Peter Hayes wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 10 Jun 1999 05:06:16 GMT, John Garrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > Windows is started from the DOS program Win.com. If it is started from another
> > > OS then it is not as OS.
> >
> > So you're saying that if I start Linux from the DOS prompt using
> > Loadlin, then Linux is not an OS, but merely an app running on top of
> > DOS?
> >
>
> Ummmm NO. Linux does not NEED DOS to start.
LILO
> It is capable of starting from DOS,
> Windows HAS to have DOS, if you delete DOS windows don't work, If you don't have
> DOS 7.0 Windows don't work.
Yeup. Loadlin loads vmlinuz which kicks DOS out of memory and takes
over.
You say above, "If it is started from another OS then it is not an
OS". Linux is an OS that CAN be started from another OS (loadlin). So
do we know _for_a_fact_ that win.com doesn't do the same thing? That
win.com isn't Win9x's equivalent of loadlin? That's my point really.
You may need DOS 7.0 to get win.com to run but there's an awful lot of
code that bypasses DOS. Presumably the DOS stuff is in there for
backwards compatability.
> > I'll leave you to the wolves.
> >
>
> You compare Linux to Windows in the area of depending on DOS and your leaving ME to
> the wolves. If that ain't the pot calling the kettle black.
Sorry, it was meant to be tongue in cheek.
Peter,
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From: Tom Reinertson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Can I use SCSI Emulator & SCSI?
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:57:00 +0000
Bill,
Thanks for the response. Since you told me it could be done I
scrutinized my setup more carefully and found the problem - a cockpit
error.
Tell me though, I also have two IDE CD-ROMS and I use the
append="hdc=ide-scsi"
to specify scsi emulation on the first. To use emulation on the second
I tried
append="hdc=ide-scsi"
append="hdd=ide-scsi"
but LILO complained so I tried
append="hdc=ide-scsi,hdd=ide-scsi"
and LILO ignored both. Do you know the proper syntax for this?
Thanks.
Tom
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