Linux-Misc Digest #607, Volume #18 Thu, 14 Jan 99 00:13:08 EST
Contents:
Re: Statement of Bill Neukom As Government Rests Its Case (Raj Rijhwani)
Re: Statement of Bill Neukom As Government Rests Its Case (Steven C. Den Beste)
Re: Statement of Bill Neukom As Government Rests Its Case (Steven C. Den Beste)
Re: infinite loop with nfs? (Greg Porr)
mail (Jorge)
Re: 32-bit FS mounting? (Dan Nguyen)
Re: Statement of Bill Neukom As Government Rests Its Case ("Patrick A. Bryan")
Linux/laptop docking station (Matt Bettencourt)
Re: Best Free Unix? (why Pentium Pro?) (Andrew Comech)
MSCHAP 80 HELP PLEASE !!!!!!!! ("Niculescu Mihnea")
Re: Q: Downloading and installing Linux (Rod Smith)
Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers (BobO)
Re: Staroffice Lib problem (Fx Fraipont)
Re: Looking for developers editor (vi with color context) (David M. Cook)
Re: NT & RHL 5.2 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
emacs won't start (Lyle Ainsworth)
Re: Best Free Unix? (fernando)
Re: Linux newbie asks a question about booting Linux that he believes he (Matthew
Waters)
Re: netscape plugin (zentara)
Making reliable profilings under linux !!!! ("Pedro Ribeiro")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Raj Rijhwani)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Statement of Bill Neukom As Government Rests Its Case
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 99 09:20:25 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <#zRVoioP#GA.146@upnetnews03> [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Netnerd" writes:
> All of you understand facts and truth. What you've been subjected to in the
Indeed we do, which is why most of us are hoping that Microsoft get
canned for their sharp business practice and market-deforming tactics.
> Finally, we are looking forward with great enthusiasm to putting our
> witnesses on the stand. You've seen the first example of the kind of
> testimony you're going to get from Microsoft's witnesses. This case is going
Yup. If it's all as unbiased and as honest as this posting deriving from
such an untainted source as MSN, then justice will be done...
(Oh, and BTW, <plonk> and FU set... If you want to go around parading
your naked stupidity, fine, just don't troll the linux groups.)
--
Raj Rijhwani (umtsb5/16) | This is the voice of the Mysterons...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | ... We know that you can hear us Earthmen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | "Lieutenant Green: Launch all Angels!"
http://www.courtfld.demon.co.uk/raj/ (demon, and gods, willing...)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steven C. Den Beste)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Statement of Bill Neukom As Government Rests Its Case
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:50:39 -0800
On 13 Jan 1999 16:43:45 GMT, Thomas Womack contributed this to the
collective wisdom of the human race:
>In gnu.misc.discuss David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>: "Netnerd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>: > David Steuber wrote in message ...
>: > >Netnerd, I gotta ask you one question. Why would a Microsoft
>: > >spokesperson use such a silly pseudonim? You represent your company
>: > >poorly. Or is this like a football game for you? You aren't really a
>: > >Microsoft employee, it is just your favorite teem?
>: >
>: >
>: > I am not and never have been a Microsoft employee.
>: >
>: > I don't even go to their seminars.
>
>: But you are a housepet of them? Or how should one understand that you
>: use "we" when referring to Microsoft, as in the following drivel:
>
>Um, he's posting *unmodified testimony* given by the first defence witness
>in the MS antitrust case. It even says so in the title!
>
>Tom
It wasn't even that. What he posted was the statement made in court by the
head attorney representing Microsoft (Neukom), just after the government
rested its case.
The first person aspect of it was because the words you were reading were
officially on behalf of Microsoft, as expressed in court.
========
Steven C. Den Beste [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"True expertise on a subject is demonstrated by
the ability to win a series of wagers on that subject."
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steven C. Den Beste)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Statement of Bill Neukom As Government Rests Its Case
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:51:12 -0800
On 13 Jan 1999 11:27:34 -0500, Thomas Bushnell, BSG contributed this to the
collective wisdom of the human race:
>"Netnerd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> I am not and never have been a Microsoft employee.
>
>Then why did your post refer to Microsoft in the first person?
>
>"Finally, we are looking forward with great enthusiasm to putting our
>witnesses on the stand," for example.
>
>Thomas
It was a quote (without the quote marks) of a speech made in court by
Neukom, who is a Microsoft employee.
========
Steven C. Den Beste [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"True expertise on a subject is demonstrated by
the ability to win a series of wagers on that subject."
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Subject: Re: infinite loop with nfs?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Greg Porr)
Date: 13 Jan 99 19:10:04 GMT
In article <77h5kl$opq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>OK this one is keeping me up at night...
>
>Let's say that user A who lives in frodo.com nfs mounts a drive belonging to
>user B at hermes.com. Locally, for user A, all of user B's drive is
>available under /mnt/hermes. Now let's pretend that user B decides to nfs
>mount user A's drive on /mnt/frodo. For user B, all of user A's drive
>(including /mnt/hermes) is available under /mnt/frodo. Now, let's further
>pretend that user B does an ls -R on /mnt/frodo. This will eventually reach
>the directory on frodo /mnt/hermes which will of course list all of user B's
>local drive, INCLUDING /mnt/frodo !!! And so on and so forth as nauseam. Is
>this a valid conclusion? Will there really be an infinite filesystem? Have
>the authorities been notified? Has this been asked before? Am I an idiot?
It's not a stupid question. But no, the scenario described above won't occur.
For "hermes" to mount one of "frodo"'s resources, "frodo" must first
make that resource available via the "share" command. A resource can be
an entire filesystem (say, /home), or a subdirectory within a filesystem
(say, /home/joe/bin).
Only the files which are physically located on the shared filesystem
(or subdirectory within that filesystem) can be accessed when the
resource is mounted.
Let's take your example, and for simplicity, assume both machines "frodo"
and "hermes" have all their local files on the root filesystem ("/"), and that
each machine has shared its entire root filesystem. Also assume
that initially, /mnt exists but is an empty directory, on each machine.
Then, we do the following:
* On frodo -> mkdir /mnt/hermes
* -> mount -F nfs hermes:/ /mnt/hermes
* On hermes -> mkdir /mnt/frodo
* -> mount -F nfs frodo:/ /mnt/frodo
A user on frodo can then see all of the files which are physically located
on hermes' root filesystem, under /mnt/hermes. This will include
/mnt/hermes/mnt (which is hermes:/mnt) and /mnt/hermes/mnt/frodo
(which is hermes:/mnt/frodo, which was created above). However, since
there are no other files or directories which physically exist on
hermes' root filesystem under hermes:/mnt/frodo, /mnt/hermes/mnt/frodo
is the end of the line.
Let's expand the example a bit. Let's say that initially, each machine
has users Moe, Larry, & Curly, with /home/moe, /home/larry, & /home/curly.
Eventually, Larry finds that he needs more space for his files. On each
system, a new filesystem is created and mounted as /home/larry. Moe &
Curly continue to live under /home/moe & /home/curly on the root filesystem.
Let's say the system administrator, for whatever reason, did not remove
the files from /home/larry which physically reside on the root filesystem.
So, with /home/larry mounted, Larry can get to his new files, but there
are files which he can't get to under the root filesystem's /home/larry
directory, since a new filesystem is mounted on that directory.
If each machine shares its root filesystem, but doesn't share /home/larry,
and then we do the NFS mounts as above, what will we see?
As expected, users on frodo who look at /mnt/hermes/home/moe or
/mnt/hermes/home/curly will see Moe's & Curly's files. But what
will they see under /mnt/hermes/home/larry? They'll see Larry's old
files, which are physically on the hermes' root filesystem. Why don't
they see Larry's new files? Because they're on the separate filesystem,
hermes:/home/larry, which has not been shared or NFS mounted.
What it boils down to is that each shared resource is limited to a filesystem,
and nothing mounted on top of that filesystem (whether another local filesystem
or an NFS filesystem), is visible via NFS.
- Greg Porr
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 14:07:54 -0500
From: Jorge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: mail
When I send myself mail from the command prompt, I get a mail from the
systems telling me that it is unsupported.
Also, though I am connected to my ISP, I can not down load the
messages, but I can do it with NetScape.
Please if you know the answer to any of these problem reply to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thanks in advance.
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From: Dan Nguyen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 32-bit FS mounting?
Date: 13 Jan 1999 19:21:25 GMT
Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Can I mount a 32-bit file system (95) in Linux?
32-bit file system? Do you mean FAT32? If it is yes you can. Mount
it as a vfat parition.
--
Dan Nguyen | There is only one happiness in
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | life, to love and be loved.
http://www.cse.msu.edu/~nguyend7 | -George Sand
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From: "Patrick A. Bryan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Statement of Bill Neukom As Government Rests Its Case
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 21:59:23 -0600
Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote in message ...
>"Netnerd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> I am not and never have been a Microsoft employee.
>
>Then why did your post refer to Microsoft in the first person?
>
>"Finally, we are looking forward with great enthusiasm to putting our
>witnesses on the stand," for example.
He was fantasizing...
>
>Thomas
>
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From: Matt Bettencourt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linux/laptop docking station
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 13:37:10 -0600
Is it posible to set up XFree86 so it knows that you have a docking
station for a laptop and when the extra monitor is hooked up it will
use the extra monitor and when it is not hooked up it will use the
internal display???
Thanks
Matt
ps
I am planning on using the dell insperation 7000 w/ an ati rage pro
Matt
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 13:33:00 -0500
From: Andrew Comech <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Best Free Unix? (why Pentium Pro?)
Adam Sampson wrote:
>
> On 3 Jan 1999 21:33:51 -0500, Andrew Comech <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >I've got K6-2 333 (running cool at 350=100x3.5 without
> >the voltage increase) on FIC 2013 (1MB cache).
> >Not a single trouble under Debian 2.0.
>
> Have you tried the K6 kernel patches? The last I found would only work
> against 2.0.36, and I'm still running 2.0.34...
I use 2.0.35 kernel.
I got some patch to enable UDMA for the hard drive (Quantum EX, 6.4GB
Ultra DMA/33
EIDE 9.5ms 256k cache). I believe it was Jumbo-2.0.35-9.patch (UDMA
on-board
support has been added to 2.2.0-preX kernels).
For me, UDMA doubled the speed of the disk; now it is
# hdparm -t /dev/hda
Timing buffered disk reads: 32 MB in 2.54 seconds =12.60 MB/sec
Actually, 2.2.0 compiles in about 7 min, and this results in even more
coffee...
If you care about your health, you are better off with 2.0.35.
Best,
Andrew
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From: "Niculescu Mihnea" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: MSCHAP 80 HELP PLEASE !!!!!!!!
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 20:50:35 +0100
Hi,
I have a problem connecting to my ISP from linux (RedHat 5.2)
I get the latest version of pppd (2.3.5), recompiled it as specified in the
README.MSCHAP80 file provided in the ppp package, configuerd chap-secrets
file, set up options, but the ppp conection doesnt initiate.
I attached the the ppplog file (debug output of pppd) and the options file
as well.
Thanx a lot ...
Mihnea Niculescu
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith)
Subject: Re: Q: Downloading and installing Linux
Date: 14 Jan 1999 02:54:28 GMT
[Posted and mailed]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Morten Frederiksen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> I have tried downloading Redhat Linux 5.2 (i386) (all files from
> ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/redhat-5.2/i386/) and then record
> everything on a CD.
>
> Creating the bootdisk was succesfull, but the installation program was
> unable to detect my Adaptec 1520 SCSI-adapter. As my CD-rom drive is SCSI,
> I cannot install Linux. Does anyone know this problem, how to solve it
> and/or where to seek information?
Try using the "advanced installation" option. This gives you more control
over what devices Red Hat will attempt to use.
> I tried the installation on another PC, where the installation detected
> the CD-rom drive (IDE). However, the installation does not recognize the
> CD in the drive as the Linux CD, and consequently stops the installation.
> Is the CD required to have a particular label or to be burnt in any
> particular way?
See:
http://www.users.fast.net/~rodsmith/rhjol.html
--
Rod Smith
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.users.fast.net/~rodsmith
NOTE: Remove the digit and following word from my address to mail me
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (BobO)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers
Date: 14 Jan 1999 04:40:58 GMT
On Wed, 13 Jan 1999 21:50:09, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jeremy
Mathers) said:
|In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
|BobO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
|....
|>Actually the wording would have been better if he had said, But I
|>think it is pretty clear that you would not be in a right mind if you
|>were trying to do anything that is critical you stay up and running
|>using Win9x/NT. I am sure lots of critical work gets done on both
|>systems, but stability may not be the critical factor.
|
|Actually, I am giving consumers credit (probably more than they deserve).
|I don't think most of them are as stupid as a lot of us seem to believe.
|
|Most consumers think it is normal for their computers to crash at
|least once a day - and, as such, that nothing critical ought to be
|done on such a system.
Well you could have a critical proposal that needs to get out. And
you could do backups so that if it crashes you won't fall more than
say 15 minutes behind schedule. Of course, I have on more than one
occasion found myself with an unbootable Windows machine with a lot of
work to get done in a hurry. In fact Windows computers seem to know
when that is the situation.[g]
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From: Fx Fraipont <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Staroffice Lib problem
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 21:25:09 +0100
Yes, I did install the glibs included with SO, which would not install
otherwise. But I'm still stuck with my problem.
fx
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David M. Cook)
Subject: Re: Looking for developers editor (vi with color context)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 20:26:32 GMT
On Wed, 13 Jan 1999 20:02:42 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I just downloaded an awesome Win95 VI clone (Lemmy 3.0), and I am now looking
>for something similar for LINUX. Features that I like:
Have you tried gvim?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.install;
Subject: Re: NT & RHL 5.2
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:26:45 GMT
I know for a fact you can, because I boot linux from the NT booter.
1) Install lilo on the partion linux is on
2) as root: dd if=/dev/hd?? of=/bootsec.lnx bs=512 count=1
3) copy /bootsec.lnx to your c:\
4) add c:\bootsec.lnx="Linux" to c:\boot.ini
In article <77idau$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (THOMAS J. STIEHM) wrote:
> I don't believe this can be done. But if you install Linux and LILO
> after NT they will play nicely with the NT 4.01 Boot Loader.
>
> Tom
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> : I would like ot make the NT 4.01 Boot Loader aware of a RHL 5.2 partition on
> : another HDD. I want ot be able to use the NT BL instesd of LILO, can this
be
> : done?
>
> : Thanks
> : MJT
>
> : -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----------
> : http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own
>
============= Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ============
http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lyle Ainsworth)
Subject: emacs won't start
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 22:40:02 -0600
hmmm....
Here's a good one. I just compiled a new kernel (2.1.132) and everything
appears work work with the exception of emacs. When I start it from the
command line, it just sits there, no response from any key combo except
Ctrl+Alt+Del. I tried it in X and it wouldn't start there either, I went
on to do something else and about 15 minutes later, up pops the emacs
window.
Emacs runs fine if I start my other kernel 2.0.35
Any suggestions?
BTW, The only other thing that I can think of that I changed along with
the kernel recompile is I added a line to lilo.conf that says VGA=791
Thanks
Lyle
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From: fernando <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Best Free Unix?
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 15:18:15 +0500
I use SCO since some years ago and it DOES support IDE.
Ken Deboy wrote:
>
> Also, when I look at SCO's compatibilty list, it only works with
> SCSI hard drives, so I got Solaris because my computer has EIDE
> drives. It (Solaris) is a lot of fun, but I use Linux mostly for
> Unix in case I accidentally use my computer for something that
> isn't non-commercial.
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This are my personal opinions
Real email: sanabriaf at yahoo dot com
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From: Matthew Waters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux newbie asks a question about booting Linux that he believes he
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 22:38:31 -0600
You don't necesarily have to have your entire Linux partition under cyl. 1023.
Try making a /boot partition 5 MB big and put your kernel and other boot files
in it. As long as /boot is below cyl. 1023, you should be fine. You could also
look for a disk partitioning utility called Disk Druid. This automatically takes
the cyl. 1023 problem into account when partitioning.. If you have Red Hat 5.2,
it should be on your install CD already.
Mark Wallis wrote:
> But...I thought I'd ask anyway.
>
> I have a 6.5GB hard drive with DOS and Win and OS/2. Eventually I want to
> ditch all these OSes entirely, but for the time being I want to run them
> all.
>
> Here's the rub:
>
> I want to install Linux after cyl. 1023, therefore keeping all the existing
> stuff intact (for now). I know, I know, they say it can't be done, but I
> thought I'd dump it out here anyway. And I like to experiment, but help from
> newsgroups does save a considerable amount of time. Perhaps simply booting
> from a floppy would work, but I won't hold my breath. I already have a
> seperate dedicated machine running Linux flawlessly and impressively, so, if
> my imaginary boot scenario doesn't work out, I can still enjoy Linux.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Mark
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (zentara)
Subject: Re: netscape plugin
Reply-To: ""
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 20:46:49 GMT
On Tue, 12 Jan 1999 23:53:04 -0500, Antal Tamas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Hi,
>
>may someone send me his/her .netscape/plugin-list file. I do not know
>anything about its format and I have not found anythig valuable so far.
>
> Thaks, Tamas
If you click on HELP in Netscape, then choose About Plugins
it will list your current plugins. The plugins themselves are
either in /opt/netscape/plugins or $HOME/.netscape/plugins
depending on your setup.
To adjust the behavior of your applications and plugins,
go to edit/preferences/navigator/applications and you
will see where everything is defined.
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From: "Pedro Ribeiro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Making reliable profilings under linux !!!!
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 21:12:22 -0000
I'm trying to profile a program under linux but, because all of my functions
executes in less that 10ms, gprof tell 0.0 to all function avg execution
times ... leaving-me with just a function execution count which isn't much
usefull without the times ...
How can i obtain more precise times ??
Tweaking the kernel ??
include/asm-i386/param.h HZ define ??
Thanks in advance.
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