Linux-Misc Digest #614, Volume #20 Sun, 13 Jun 99 15:13:16 EDT
Contents:
Re: Sound Problem on RedHat 6.0 (Hans Wolters)
Seti-linux, which is the festest version? ("Side")
Re: linux-newbie ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Sharing Cable Modem? ("R Sorak")
Re: Commercially speaking....? (Stuart Brady)
sending prepard file as mail (Felix Puetsch)
Re: ext2 bug ("Spud")
Re: Parition Magic 4.01 obliterated my ext2 partition (Dallman Ross)
Re: Where the heck is redhat hiding their rpm's? (Robert Heller)
Re: can't read cdrom/floppy (Marc Mutz)
Re: Kernel panic with new install (Stewart Honsberger)
Re: 2 newbie questions! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Performance tuning of FreeBSD and Linux: pointers requested (Chris Hedley)
Re: Kernel panic with new install ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Wrong major or minor number??? (Daniel in Oregon)
Re: SuSE vs Red Hat? (Keven R. Pittsinger)
Re: Which GUI? (Lev Babiev)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hans Wolters)
Subject: Re: Sound Problem on RedHat 6.0
Date: 13 Jun 1999 17:17:55 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Adriano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> found a keyboard
and wrote the following ....
>I have an CMI8330 onboard sound card , and used isapnptools 1.18 to
>configure it......
>I can hear CD , but Midi and wavs not........
>When I try /dev/audio , I receive the folow message : ..device is busy
>Someone can Help me?
>Thanks
Hi,
Most of us can hear midi, wav, etc.. but can't hear cd music. Take a
look at the howto in my signature. Should give some kind of solution.
Regards Hans
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http://home.gelrevision.nl/~h.wolter/linux.htm
7:16pm up 2 days, 8:22, 3 users, load average: 0.10, 0.04, 0.01
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From: "Side" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Seti-linux, which is the festest version?
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 20:52:05 GMT
I'm quite "green" in linux so i have some simple (i think so) questions.
Which setiathome version should i choose to get the best performance?
i686-pc-linux-gnu-gnulibc2.1
or
i686-pc-linux-gnulibc1-static
what is "static"??
whats the diffrence beetwen this libs?
newer means faster in this situation?
Do i need anything special to run: i686-pc-linux-gnu-gnulibc2.1
(for example X-win or sth else) ???
Im have redhat 6.0 on my comp.
big thanks for any answer :-)
Side
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Poland
ICQ UIN: 14465992
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: linux-newbie
Date: 13 Jun 1999 14:30:21 GMT
In his obvious haste, Christopher Boyde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled thusly:
: 3. If linux can't read fat 32 hard drives how can it use hard drives bigger
: than 2 GB which is fat 16 limit.
Linux can read FAT12, FAT16 and FAT32 partitions, but the linux native
partition is nothing to do with the horrendous "FAT" system. It uses its own
native partition format...
: 4. Can I use Linux for my server where all other systems use win 98 with fat
: 32 hard drives.
Yes. Lookup Samba.
: 6. Is the Celeron Processor any good for linux.
Don't see why not.
: 7. Whats the difference in the inerface between the workstation and sever
: versions.
Different software choices besically.
: 8. Does the server version come with Redhat 6.0
The distributions come with almost everything you could possibly need for
networking and everything else.
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From: "R Sorak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sharing Cable Modem?
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 10:54:57 -0500
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.caldera,linux.redhat.misc
No need to recompile a kernel if using RH 5.2 or later!
Ted Sikora <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Bill Crocker wrote:
> >
> > I'm currently running WinNT4.0WS(+SP5), and Artisoft's i.Share, to act
as my
> > cable modem server, and share my internet resources with my other Win98
> > clients. I would like to convert over to Linux. Is there software
> > available for Linux, that would allow it to act as a cable modem server,
and
> > share my internet resources, as I'm doing now? I recall reading
something
> > about NAT... am I on the right track?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Bill Crocker
>
> It's called IP-Masquerading under Linux. The kernel needs to be rebuilt
> to enable ip-masqing and a script loaded on startup to enable
> ipchains(2.2 kernel) or ipfwadm(2.0 kernel). The FAQS are in the usual
> places ie; Linux Documentation Project or Woven Goods for Linux. You
> will need (2) network cards in the linux machine. One for the cable
> modem and the other for the localnet out to the other machines. The
> setup is pretty simple. No special software required like in Windows.
> Everything is built in just needs configuring.
>
> --
> Ted Sikora
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://tsikora.tiac.net
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From: Stuart Brady <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Commercially speaking....?
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 16:56:33 +0100
On Thu, 10 Jun 1999, Anahata wrote:
>A DOS with long filename support would break *many* DOS programs built
>to the 8.3 specification. The long filenames are handled by an entirely
>different API which is only used by programs which are designed at the
>outset to expect the possibility of long filenames.
WTF can't DOS 7 use both? - e.g. old DOS programs would use the 8.3
names, but new DOS programs (and an updated command.com) could access
long file names using a VFAT API for DOS. Actually, I know why - so that
you *need* Windows to be able to do anything...
I don't know if DOS alone can read VFAT names, but command.com and all
of Win9x's DOS programs that I've seen don't know about it unless
they're running in Windows. I'm sure that it's possible to write a DOS
API for VFAT... but it would be better to do it the OS itself.
Windows 3.1 is an extention to DOS as well as a GUI - it provides swap
space, multitasking, and drivers - all of which should have been kept
seperate from the GUI. XFree86 doesn't do multitasking, does it?
Windows 4 also has protected mode which should really be done by the OS,
but it seems that Microsoft have tried to integrate OS features (such as
multitasking, swap space and VFAT) into the GUI, so that you need
Windows to be able to do anything useful - DOS is now next to useless.
So there are three parts to Windows 9x. The Windows OS extentions, the
Windows GUI, and MS DOS. The bundling of all three is to make sure that
you can't buy from anyone else. Microsoft will go out of their way to
screw you around... as long as they can make money out of you.
--
Stuart Brady: stuart@wholehog .demon.co.uk
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Felix Puetsch)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.lang.python
Subject: sending prepard file as mail
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 21:43:27 GMT
Hi,
I wrote an Python Script which is thougt to send an email message
containg an attachment to three people.
First, I tried to send the file directly via metasend, but the
recipients didn't appear properly, so I made metasend print the
prepared message out to a file, to be sent via the mail command.
Unfortunately, this command adds an empty line above the file causing
email clients to ignore the following MIME headers.
Any idea?
Thanks a lot
Felix P�tsch
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From: "Spud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: ext2 bug
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 16:12:06 GMT
Umm...k-Class.o is the object file of k-Class.c. That should
obviously be in where you compile...how do you program in C++ w/o knowing
about object files?
>I have a RedHat 5.2 version of linux installed on my PC.
>I'm working on project based on LEDA-3.7.1 C++ class library.
>Sometimes, when I compile my project my file system is corrupted:
>suddenly, I have a files of strange permission, ownership and huge size
>in
>the directory of compilation. For example: k-Class.o
>
>..> ls -l
>-rw-rw-r-- 1 ruslan users 1232 Apr 26 09:13 NodeAuxType.c
>-rw-rw-r-- 1 ruslan users 1267 Apr 5 20:59 NodeAuxType.h
>-rw-rw-r-- 1 ruslan users 111 Apr 5 00:47 k-Class.c
>-rw-rw-r-- 1 ruslan users 514 Apr 5 00:35 k-Class.h
>c---r-xr-- 26912 29811 27745 111, 118 Oct 19 2032 k-Class.o
>-rw-r--r-- 1 ruslan users 1914 Apr 13 14:46 k-Component.c
>-rw-r--r-- 1 ruslan users 739 Apr 13 14:46 k-Component.h
>-rw-rw-r-- 1 ruslan users 97 Jun 10 13:59 so_locations
>
>Any idea. ext2 bug?
>
>Please mail me directly too.
>--
>
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From: Dallman Ross <d m a n @ n e t c o m . c o m>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Parition Magic 4.01 obliterated my ext2 partition
Date: 13 Jun 1999 17:53:02 GMT
R. Paul McCarty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spake thusly:
> I don't know how else to describe what Parition Magic did when I
> resized a linux ext2 partition from the windows side of a dual boot
> win95/linux system, then it obliterated it.
> I was so happy when I finally bought the latest version of Partition
> Magic which claims to fully support Linux (still can't run the gui in
> linux though) and the first thing I wanted to do was resize a linux
> partition to take advantage of an 800M block of free space I didn't
> use when I first installed the system. I booted windows, opened PM,
> it recognizes the ext2 partitions just fine, I select resize, drag
> the end of the partition into the free space and then select apply
> changes, it checks the integrity, checks for bad blocks, updates
> the partition, and walla, done. I go to reboot under linux and get
> dropped into a shell because e2fsck encountered too many errors (note
> the root partition is separate from the one I resized). So I run
> e2fsck and it starts scrolling errors about duplicate/bad blocks.. I
> figure it'll fix whatever happened and leave it for a while, an hour
> later it's still working on it.. 2 hours.. I cancel reboot to windows
> and try to size it back. Again PM gives no complaints and claims
> everything if fine. Reboot to linux, same problem. I decide to let
> fsck run through and leave it overnight.. 10 hours later it's still
> fixing things and by my estimates it would have taken at least another
> day to fix all the problems, and I'm not sure whether "fix" would mean
> empty HDD, or recovered files.
> Has *anyone* every tried to resize a linux partition using e2fsck? Did
> I do something wrong? Any idea how to recover from this? I mean
> *anything*. After perusing Powerquests help files I discovered there
> is a separate linux native resize utility, which may actually work,
> whereas I have no evidence that the windows version knows how to
> handle linux partitions properly (despite the fact it let me do it)
I'm not sure what you did, but I use PM4.01 to move and resize my
linux partitions all the time. I back them up that way, too, to
another drive (rather than using tar); and have migrated a full-blown
four-partition install from one disk to another by way of a third
that stays in my computer. No problems. Also changes sizes on
various of the partitions with no troubles.
There are some catches: you often have to use a boot disk at this point,
then rewrite lilo (lilo -v) from within linux; as lilo seems to be
broadcasting the drive/partition geometry somewhere, and that gets
messed up. But this method -- disk boot into linux, rewrite lilo info
-- works to fix it. I also use PM's BootMagic, and have that in the
master boot record of my first drive, and have linux on a second drive.
I load lilo to the linux boot partition, not the MBR. When I do these
resizes or moves, then, I not only have to reinstall lilo as above, but
also have to go into W98 (where I have BootMagic installed and which I
called my "primary boot partition" during the BM install) and delete linux
from the boot options, save and exit; then go back into BM and add linux
back in, save and exit. This is because BM also keeps geometry
information and has to be updated. I'll know if I need to do this
because lilo will hang halfway through. . . .
There is a linux FAQ on the PowerQuest pages that contains loads of tips
and info for minimizing heartache when moving ext2 partitions.
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From: Robert Heller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Where the heck is redhat hiding their rpm's?
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 16:07:08 GMT
Henry Hollenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
In a message on Wed, 09 Jun 1999 02:08:36 GMT, wrote :
HH> I used to be able to go to the redhat site and find all sorts of
HH> intresting stuff including
HH> updated rpm's that match particular releases. I'm currently looking of
HH> libPropList for
HH> Intel RedHat 5.2 but can't find ANY rpm's on their site.
http://www.redhat.com/mirrors.html
HH>
HH> Does anyone know where they are hiding them now?
HH>
HH> --
HH> Thanks,
HH> Henry Hollenberg
HH> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
HH>
HH>
HH>
HH>
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Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 16:59:18 +0200
From: Marc Mutz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: can't read cdrom/floppy
K Hui wrote:
>
> HI,
> I am having trouble reading from my cdrom and floppy drive. I can mount to
> all of them. And when I type: cd /mnt/cdrom/, the path at prompt show me I
> am at /cdrom. But then when I try "ls", nothing is shown. The same happens
> for the floppy drive.
>
> I am using Redhat 5.2. My cdrom is Sony CDU76E-S and it is compatible to
> ATAPI, when I type "dmesg | less", I can found my cdrom on hdc and it also
> shows that linux detect it correctly as CDU76
>
> Is that I can't use ls to read the cd/floppy, so what else the command
> should be? Or it's because of other reasons?
>
Check the entries in the fstab. For the CDROM it should read
/dev/hdc /mnt/cdrom iso9660 ro,...
If that's so, cd to /mnt/cdrom after mounting and issue 'df .'. If it
reports reasonable values, make sure the floppy/cdrom actually contains
files.
Marc
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stewart Honsberger)
Subject: Re: Kernel panic with new install
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 17:56:44 GMT
On Sun, 13 Jun 1999 15:37:10 +0000, Kerry J. Cox wrote:
>Okay, I am trying to installl the latest 2.2.9 kernel. It's been awhile
>since I did anything like this. I am trying to upgrade from a
>monolithic RedHat 6.0 install. I did the usual untar and unzip in
>/usr/src/ making a linux directory. Thanks to Ted Sikora was able to
>copy the new bzIMage to /boot and do some additional required steps.
>However, I am still getting a kernel panic. Here's what I get when I
>try to boot
>the new kernel:
>
>Partition check
>request_module[ide-disk]:Root fs not mounted
>hda:driver not present
>VFS:Cannot open root device 03:01
>Kernel panic:VFS:Unable to mount root fs on 03:01
I had the same problem. My solution was to go to the /usr/src/linux-2.2.9
directory and;
make mrproper
make clean
then continue to compile the kernel again, just like normal. Just watch
carefully what you de-select.
--
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Humming along under SuSE Linux 6.0 / OS/2 Warp 4
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: 2 newbie questions!
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 17:56:57 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, duy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Every time I connect to my ISP, none of the apps works. If I try to
>start an application by command line, I'll get "connection to ":0.0"
>refused by server." What's going on?
>
>How do I setpath in slackware4.0? I use bash and tcsh, but I couldn't
>find .bash_profile, .bashrc, or .tcshrc any where.
>Thanks for any help.
>
Usually there is a sort of 'global' profile file /etc/profile, then there
are local .bash_profile type files in peoples' home directories. (Files
that start with a '.', like .bash_profile, don't show up when you do
an 'ls', you have to explicitly mention them or use the '-a' option.)
If you don't have a .bash_profile, you can create one using an ordinary
text editor like vi or emacs or whatever. Typically to set a path you
would use a line like:
export PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin
You can also just enter a command like that on the command line.
In this example I'm appending new directory paths to an existing $PATH
variable (which I could see by typing "echo $PATH"), presumably some
directories were set in /etc/profile which the user inherited. By the
way, this example is for bash which is similar to sh and ksh. tcsh is
more like csh, you'd use the syntax 'setenv PATH $PATH:/usr/local/bin'
for example.
What kind of connection do you make to your ISP? If it's through pppd or
slip, then your local machine is part of the internet, you'd run telnet,
netscape, ping whatever from your local machine. There can be problems
because you are not using DNS (check for /etc/resolv.conf) so apps can't
find the IP addresses of places, or the flavor of protocol connection
could be causing problems (with my ppp account to my isp, I was able to
connect, and ping places, so DNS was working, but things like netscape
would not work until I put a 'novj' argument in my pppd command line.)
If, on the other hand, you connect to your ISP via a shell account, as
with minicom, then no X like applications will work, your local machine
is just a serial terminal.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Hedley)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Performance tuning of FreeBSD and Linux: pointers requested
Date: 13 Jun 1999 17:41:01 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Waldmann) writes:
> I have done some benchmarks on a similar hardware configuration (Dual-
> P2/Dual-Celeron, 7895, 3..4 UW disks spread on both channels).
>
> If you are looking for maximum disk performance (and if you're doing
> daily backups), you could use software RAID-0 under Linux. This gave
> me up to 40 MByte/s block-read and block-write performance (using Bonnie
> or dd, doesn't matter) with 3 disks (1 on ch a, 2 on ch b) IBM DDRS 4.5GB
> UW-SCSI. If you take 4 disks, I think you'll get about 50..53 MB/s.
>
> A single disks gives about 12..13 MB/s, so SW-RAID-0 scales quite good
> if you provide enough SCSI channels (if you put all 3 disks on 1 channel
> you'll see less performance).
>
> If you want to be more safe regarding disk failure, you could also use
> SW-RAID-5, this gives about 25MB/s using 4 IBM DDRS disks (2 on ch a,
> 2 on ch b) - not bad, too ;-)
>
> I used kernel 2.2.6, raidtools 0.90 and raid-patch for kernel 2.2.6.
Thanks for the info. I've always wondered about the pros and cons of
using several small filesystems carefully spread across different discs
and different channels, vs. fewer large raid filesystems whose component
partitions are similarly spread across said discs.
For the time being I'm continuing to use the small-but-lots filesystem
solution as it's a bit more flexible, but if there're really big
performance gains to be seen using the "single-big-raid" solution I
might look into that more closely...
Chris.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Kernel panic with new install
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 18:09:41 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Kerry J. Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
>--------------EF437E7562C5D2EE5176FF89
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>
>Okay, I am trying to installl the latest 2.2.9 kernel. It's been awhile
>since I did anything like this. I am trying to upgrade from a
>monolithic RedHat 6.0 install. I did the usual untar and unzip in
>/usr/src/ making a linux directory. Thanks to Ted Sikora was able to
>copy the new bzIMage to /boot and do some additional required steps.
>However, I am still getting a kernel panic. Here's what I get when I
>try to boot
>the new kernel:
>
>Partition check
>request_module[ide-disk]:Root fs not mounted
>hda:driver not present
>VFS:Cannot open root device 03:01
>Kernel panic:VFS:Unable to mount root fs on 03:01
>
>I'm assuming I have neglected to add an additional module somewhere.
Could you have built your kernel with the IDE driver as a
module? If your root partition is on an IDE drive, the kernel has
to have the driver as an integral part of the kernel (NOT as a module,
because it wouldn't have the code to access the module to load it.)
If your root partition were on a SCSI drive and you had the
SCSI driver as part of your kernel, then you could have IDE support as a
module, for instance. Also, you should compile the ext2 file system as
part of your kernel if the root partition is an ext2 filesystem, which
it almost always is, other types of file systems (minix, fat, nfs, etc)
could then be compiled as modules.
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adaptation of a sig from Cato the Elder regarding the city of Carthage.
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From: Daniel in Oregon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Wrong major or minor number???
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 11:01:41 -0700
When I try to mount my paride device....pda..........I get the message
"mount: /dev/pda has wrong major or minor number "
what does that mean....???and how do I change it?
I'm trying to mount my Syquest Syjet...........since with my new
kernel...2.5.5-15...the old
epst.c driver won't compile....
Any help would be appreciated...
Daniel
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Keven R. Pittsinger)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.portable
Subject: Re: SuSE vs Red Hat?
Date: 13 Jun 1999 18:05:21 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Keven R. Pittsinger) writes:
>
>> In article <7j8hk9$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> Reinier Post <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> >
>> >>For one thing, where does SuSe stash my *mail*???? It
>> >>sure ain't /var/pool/mail, unless I screwed something up...
>> >
>> > It's in /var/spool/mail, as expected.
>>
>> Heh. The first time I installed it and got onto the net to get my mail,
>> it tossed the incoming mail into the bit bucket. This installation, it
>> seems to work ok.
>>
>> But what *RILLY* maxxes me off is sendmail. It's not a mail handler, it's
>> a *religion*, requiring the sacrifice of small cute furry animals on a
>> regular basis to work properly.
>
> nod mail should not be this hard.
>
> there are three things which seem to be hard to install/configure in
> linux - X, ppp and e-mail. X, at least, has the excuse of a plethora
> of video cards and monitors. ppp configuration seems to be getting a
> little more automatic. mail (via sendmail) still sucks. and there is
> no reason for it to suck so much.
X & ppp are a snap once you read thru the man pages & the HOW-TOs.
Sendmail is a *LOT* tougher.
> no mailer should have a 1000+ page batbook to discuss configuration.
> something is seriously wrong if it does.
My point exactly.
> i am using qmail which is *a lot* easier to configure but has various
> license problems (binary distribution was prohibited for a long time,
> hacked binaries are still verboten afaik.)
Methinks mh *needs* sendmail; I haven't had the time to *really* dig into
it yet.
> there are a number of better MTAs, smail, exim, zmailer. almost
> anything you can think of is easier to configure than sendmail. why
> distributions like redhat do not ship with an alternate, easy to
> configure MTA i do not know.
Licensing problems?
But foolishly, for use on an ISP's mailserver, sendmail is ok. For home
workstation use it's serious overkill. All you need is something to look
at the message, decide if it needs to be handled locally or relayed to the
ISP. This is so simple it's not funny. So why all the headaches with
sendmail???
Keven
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From: Lev Babiev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Which GUI?
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 12:11:15 -0400
Steffan O'Sullivan wrote:
>
> There seem to be a plethora of GUI available for linux.
Actually X is pretty much the only choice for GUI you have
right now. But I guess you're referring to window managers/
graphic environments. Here's my thoughts on a few windowmanagers
1) Afterstep - originally a hack of fvwm to look like NeXT. Up
to version 1.0 it had fvwm-style configs and the real differences
were the window decorations and the Wharf module (which was since
ported back to fvwm). After 1.0 it took off in it's own direction
and last I saw it it reminded me more of Window Maker than fvwm.
2) Enlightenment - The ultimate Eye Candy. To be honest I haven't
tried it in years. Since then it supposedly overcame it's major
problems - size and stability. It seems to be relatively small now
and stable as well. E is designed to be extremely configurable.
3) FVWM2 - the good old fvwm. It's often being mistaken with fvwm95
which while based on fvwm2 is not the best example. Fvwm if very
configurable, if you bother to figure out all the configuration
options and modules.
4) Window Maker - the ultimate in NeXT look-alikes. But uses too
much drag'n'drop for my tastes.
A good description of a lot of older window managers can be found
here: http://www.giccs.georgetown.edu/~ric/
Having said all that, I'm using fvwm2. The new devel tree has GNOME
intergration down and lets you use GTK based menues. I found that
fvwm is actually the most configurable as long as you spend time
on that config.
> Which are the most stable?
fvwm
> Which are the least stable?
E (imho)
> Of the stable ones, which are the fastest?
they are all fast
> Which are the slowest?
E (imho)
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