Linux-Misc Digest #736, Volume #20 Tue, 22 Jun 99 04:13:09 EDT
Contents:
Re: Local mail problem Redhat 5.2 (SMTP transaction error) (Warren Bell)
Re: Children's Software (jik-)
Re: EZ Drive and LILO? (Cameron L. Spitzer)
Re: ppp problem (kihwan)
Re: Linux vs. Windoze NT - new security hole found in NT. (Alex Lam)
Re: NT the best web platform? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux vs. Windoze NT - new security hole found in NT. (Danny Aldham)
Re: Newbie question about source code (Frederic L. W. Meunier)
Re: vi question (Gary Johnson)
Re: Why Linux still isn't my standard boot-up OS, or what are the Linux-equivalents
for these Windoze programs? (Lucius Chiaraviglio)
Re: Has anyone got ip masquerade working on SuSE 6.1? (Paul John)
Re: vi question (Tom Christiansen)
tar prob w/ recirsive links (John Hunter)
Re: first/second/third world (Richard Kulisz)
Re: add user ("Hughes, Robert S.")
Any Netflow Collector/Analyzer tools out there? ("Mark Walter")
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 21:27:05 -0700
From: Warren Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Local mail problem Redhat 5.2 (SMTP transaction error)
Warren Bell wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I'm having a problem with my local mail delivery. I'm using fetchmail
> to poll my pop accounts and procmail to process it. I had the same
> exact setup on 5.1 and everything worked fine. It was even working on
> 5.2 but I did a re-install and now somthing's wrong. I changed the
> machines name from localhost but I don't know if that's affecting it. I
> changed it back to localhost but it didn't fix the problem.
>
> This is from /var/log/maillog:
>
> Jun 20 16:01:39 linux fetchmail[1200]: 3 messages for resource at
> mail.ca.jps.net (2736 bytes).
> Jun 20 16:01:40 linux fetchmail[1200]: reading message 1 of 3 (912
> bytes) (log message incomplete)
> Jun 20 16:01:40 linux fetchmail[1200]: SMTP connect to localhost failed:
> Connection refused
Nevermind, it turns out my / partition was too small and at 100%. It
was messing up netscape and a few other things.
> Jun 20 16:01:40 linux fetchmail[1200]: SMTP transaction error while
> fetching from mail.ca.jps.net
> Jun 20 16:01:40 linux fetchmail[1200]: Query status=10
> Jun 20 16:01:50 linux sendmail[303]: NOQUEUE: low on space (have 0,
> SMTP-DAEMON needs 101 in /var/spool/mqueue)
>
> My .fetchmailrc:
>
> poll mail.ca.jps.net protocol pop3:
> username myuserneme
> password xxxx
>
> poll table.jps.net protocol pop3:
> username myusername
> password xxxx
>
> poll mail.ca.jps.net protocol pop3:
> username myusername
> password xxxx
>
> Do I need to change localhost to the machine name anywhere else? It's
> changed in /etc/hosts and anywhere else linuxconf and netcfg change it.
>
> Thanks
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From: jik- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Children's Software
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 22:59:12 -0700
"David L. Bilbey" wrote:
>
> +-----On Sun, 20 Jun 1999 14:28:37 -0700, jik- spoke unto us:----------
> | Is there any kind of children's software for linux? I think a secure
> | system like linux offers is best strategy for allowing children access
> | to the computer.
>
> | If there is none, I would be willing to help develop some stuff, but I
> | am by no means some child expert....it would be hard for me to design
> | with children in mind so I would need help. But I figured some basic
> | math and language type programs would be neat...maybe a little child
> | science as well. Course optimally it would be language independant, but
> | I only know English. Hey, maybe some cultural education would be good
> | too.
>
> This is a good idea! I have a 7 1/2 month old, and I would like him to
> have some educational software when he gets a bit older, but there doesn't
> seem to be much out there. Let me know if you find anything, or perhaps we
> can start a project...?
My 4 year old neice likes to
1) Run over screaming pedestrians in Carmagedon
2) Play with GIMP which is NOT up to the task.
Carmagedon seems to be something she is at least able to enjoy with a
smaller amount of interaction on my part...mostly just to help her back
up and turn around. Its rather simple...drive real fast and hit people
and cars.
The GIMP on the other hand is just way too sensitive to erroneous
input. Even if I max the drawing area to encompase the entire screen, a
simple right click can do ANYTHING. I will be off doing something and
have her yelling "Noah!!! I need help!!" and come back and all the
drawing area is off elsewere and there is a lot of that transperent
nothing instead.....this happens all the time within minutes.
So, here is my ideas on making linux more child friendly...
1) Allways X....command line is just too much for a child....boring for
most too
2) Specialized windowing environment and well set up X
environment....listen to less right clicks and less erroneous key
entries (disabled stoke victem access software? The kind were hitting
dyi will only print d or whatever)
3) Lots of animals...I see that in most children's software..animals and
cartoon characters
4) Require a password to switch terminals!!!
5) Screen saver mode that switches into kid mode would be
perfect...leave the room for a second and the little bastards have
somehow blasted something into dissarray!
6) A well thought out navigation and application launching system that
lets the kid do what they want. With service lock outs.
7) Staged so that when they are ready you can allow the interface to be
less....forgiving...andi more productive
8) Then comes in the educational software....I think it more important
to have a safe and child freindly base to work with first..(spent some
time thinking while I was camping)
9) Fnally, nice setup utility for parents....config files work but can
get messy.
10) Very good user manual for the administrator....bad documentation is
the downfall to many a good idea imho.
Among the software....
Reading/Writing, Math, Sci, general life skills...etc...software....
Fun toys...a drawing program which is both powerful and simple.
Something a young child can play with and actually get creative
with....parental feature lock feature (no printing for little waste lots
of paper and feed sandwiches to the printer demon child :P) Could the
GIMP be fixed up like this?
Small joystick/keyboard operated arcade games...pacman....etc...
Then some existing software...card games...etc...
I would suggest that most tools and toys should have a "guided toor"
were someone they can familiarize with talks and jumps about showing
them how to work the system....even a starter program to get the kid
using the whole setup...this is right click, click the right
button....this is left...etc...it has to talk, most that age can't
read...baloon is ok if it talks too.
Kids seem to be able to learn the concept of switching CDs...of course
some are too young so a lock would be easily produced and absolutely
imperative!!....Using extreemly large amounts of "useless" flashy
multimedia crap is possible, and likely just what they need. My 4 year
old neice cold be trusted to change CDs for the most part....I wouldn't
let my 3 year old nephiew anywere NEAR the thing.
Course most of the stuff should be designed as a protocol so the
services can be implemented based on personal prefference of toolkit
..(You like GTK, I like Motif,..and he likes Xaw, and she likes
XForms).. simply not good to force a particular environment on
people...and lets hope child software authors would try to interact with
the system. I have a feeling though, that a good portion of the system
would not be compatable with GUI toolkits as we have come to know them.
It would also be important to keep it compatable with old hardware...no
OpenGL nonsence (not needed anyway..2d characters are perfectly ok), and
8 bit compatable sound...needs to be clean.
An API for sound which could be compiled for 8/16/higher would be best I
think.
What do you think? Certainly a large project, but could be fun to do.
I don't know how much of that stuff is possible, but I would by no means
be able to implement on my own anyway...need input and help...if not
someone inclined to adopt the project and I just work on it.
Ooooh...just thought of another good idea to..after lots of off the wall
vigerous mouse movement and key hammering..Animal freind: "You don't
have a clue do you?? ......... Ok, starting _____ so you can still
have some fun"
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Cameron L. Spitzer)
Subject: Re: EZ Drive and LILO?
Date: 22 Jun 1999 06:08:36 GMT
In article <7km2nd$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tarkaan wrote:
>Is it possible to install LILO and EZ Drive on the same machine? I'm
Yes, but you have to install EZ-drive before building the partition table.
EZ-drive goes where the partition table and boot sector would go on
a normal installation. It fakes out the BIOS, and Linux' IDE driver is
wise to the trickery.
>using an old Packard Bell for my linux box and I can't seem to get past
>LI. I already have LILO installed in the MBR... I theorize that if I
>put EZ Drive in the MBR and LILO on hda1, then EZ Drive can hand off to
>LILO and boot Linux.
EZ drive hands off to BIOS which boots LILO which boots Linux.
>
>If this is possible, how do I put lilo on the partition instead of in
>the MBR?
I did this once with EZ-drive where EZ-drive goes, and LILO on what then
appeared to be the MBR as far as the Linux IDE driver was concerned.
I think EZ-drive pushes everything up a few sectors or something.
I don't know why anyone would ever need to do it though. Linux doesn't
need EZdrive. Just make the first partition stop before the 1024th
cylinder, and put the kernel and map in there. EZ-drive just makes things
more complicated than they have to be.
Cameron
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From: kihwan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ppp problem
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 06:25:17 +0000
Bill Unruh wrote:
> In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Kihwan Kwon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >I installed RedHat 6.0 and I have a ppp problem.
>
> Make sure that you use the proper serial port devices, /dev/ttyS0 to
> /dev/ttyS3, NOT /dev/cua0 to /dev/cua3. Make sure that your /dev/modem
> points to the ttyS devices not the cua devices.
>
Sorry, but I can't understand. What is the difference between cua device and ttyS
device?I thought they are just different names for same thing. And, how can I make
/dev/modem points to the
ttyS devices? I thought I made the modem point to the ttyS2 from control panel. Is
this what you mean?
> >It doesn't recognize modem and I checked /var/log/messages then
> >it says:
> > Can't open options file
> > /root/.ppprc: Function not implemented
>
> Do you have a /root/.ppprc file? If so, what is in it?
> iYOu do not need it. The main options are in /etc/ppp/options.
No, I don't have. Thanks
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From: Alex Lam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.security
Subject: Re: Linux vs. Windoze NT - new security hole found in NT.
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 23:46:15 -0700
David Stanaway wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Alex Lam wrote:
> >
> >For a super busy server, I'll choose Solaris.
> >
>
> I know one Australian company that is heavily into Ecommerce that uses
> Solaris for their webserver, but there database server is Alpha/Linux for
> the raw speed for value. From most people I hear that Sparcs don't pack
> very much punch for their price tag.. but they do run smoothly under
> incredible loads (The Undergraduate servers at Uni were working with a load
> of above 80!! and didn't miss a beat.. it was painful though.. waiting for
> your keystrokes to echo).. I would love to see how an NT termial server
> operates under similar conditions.
>From what I've read. NT cannot takes real heavy loads.
Alpha/Linux should be very fast. Alpha has a reputation of being fast
anyway.
Read some report recently that Samsung (of N. Korea, who will be
producing the new Alpha chip) has got the thing up to a Gigahertz clock
speed... That thing must fly.
> If the system was Linux, I suspect the load wouldn't be 80 (Linux is faster
> than Solaris by most reports).. but I can't see it doing so well at such loads.
>
Seems to me that BSDs are faster than Linux though.
Alex Lam.
> David Stanaway
>
> David Stanaway
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: NT the best web platform?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 05:57:24 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Philip Brown) writes:
>On Fri, 18 Jun 1999 19:28:21 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>>Don't forget the "low budget testing environment" Mindcraft had.... They
>>>dual-booted their Quad-Xeon box (which of course made for a lousy benchmark
>>>right there and then --- those hard disks are not really behaving the same
>>>over their whole capacity).
>>
>>I'll admit, I'm curious as to how much of a difference that makes.
>Who said "dual-boot" means "shares the same root disk"?
Mindcraft did ;-)
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- next time Mindcraft, try using 2 identical disks :-)
>They specifically said they didnt? That would be evil.
They described the system in some detail, and there was only one OS disk.
Bernie
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Danny Aldham)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.security
Subject: Re: Linux vs. Windoze NT - new security hole found in NT.
Date: 22 Jun 1999 04:16:11 GMT
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2]
Slav Inger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: I have a real hard time believing NT Server can beat Linux on the exact
: same machine (assuming, of course, Linux is tuned and configured
: correctly). I have an even harder time believing that IIS can beat
: Apache on Linux.
Check out this link:
http://www.kegel.com/mindcraft_redux.html
It shows that Linux has some real problems with the TCP/ip stack,
and that developers are now working to correct the problem. Linux
was dropping connections (about 1 of 10) , with around 288 clients
accessing the server.
--
Danny Aldham Providing Certified Internetworking Solutions to Business
www.postino.com E-Mail, Web Servers, Mail Lists, Web Databases, SQL & Perl
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From: Frederic L. W. Meunier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Newbie question about source code
Date: 22 Jun 1999 05:20:22 GMT
>I don't think RedHat comes with the source for all the little
utilities like cat or ls.
---
You're wrong. These little utilities are part of a big package like fileutils,
sh-utils or textutils. Just type rpm -qf /bin/ls or the binary of your choice
to see the name of the package it's part. And the SRPM usually have the same
name, but with src in your suffix.
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|Frames, Javascript, mail with HTML, Spam and the idiot -> /dev/null |
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gary Johnson)
Subject: Re: vi question
Date: 22 Jun 1999 06:17:58 GMT
Nick Taylor ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> How do I change the default tab size to 4?
It depends on whether you really want to change the tab size or just the
shift or indentation size. I wouldn't recommend changing the tab size
because so many commands assume that it is 8. Nevertheless, the command
to change it is
:set tabstop=4
which can be abbreviated
:set ts=4
If you just want to change the shift size (the amount used by the ^T,
^D, >> and << commands), use
:set shiftwidth=4
or the abbreviated form
:set sw=4
Setting shiftwidth instead of tabstop allows you to easily indent text
in multiples of 4 columns without using non-standard tab stops.
Gary
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lucius Chiaraviglio)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: Why Linux still isn't my standard boot-up OS, or what are the
Linux-equivalents for these Windoze programs?
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 06:50:45 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>[. . .]
>Microsoft heavy handedness is a fact. Do you think that an anti-trust lawsuit
>came about because a bunch of nerds were fighting over a bug collection?? [. . .]
Sure looks like it. :-)
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From: Paul John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Has anyone got ip masquerade working on SuSE 6.1?
Date: 21 Jun 1999 14:29:48 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Allen Ashley) writes:
> Simple question: how did you do it?
>
> Now, both the susehelp and online instructions in the SuSE databank
> are wrong, so I have some specific questions:
>
> 1. How did you find out about ipchains? I had to grep the entire
> source tree looking for ipfwadm to find out that I had to learn about
> ipchains. There is a good site at mediaone that translates the ipfwadm
> commands into ipchains.
>
> 2. What specific options did you enable when you compiled the
> kernel. The instructions given by SuSE refer to non-existent kernel
> options. I think I turned on what I had to, but I am not sure.
>
> 3. Where did you get the necessary modules, such as ip_masq_ftp and
> such that are mentioned in the online databank, but cannot be added to
> 6.1? What did you do after downloading the 6Mb kernmod.rpm file?
>
> 4. Would you ever buy another SuSE distribution?
Hmm. I found the IP masquerading incredibly easy to set up. So easy I
was sure that I must have missed something. Imagine my surprise when
it all worked after entering 3 ipchain commands & setting enabling IP
masquerading in rc.conifg. The documentation was found very easily by
looking where yast told me look when I installed firewalling (required
for IP masquerading).
I could understand the confusing caused by the missing modules though,
but this was addresed on their website.
And yes I would definately buy SuSE again. I have played with RH5.2,
RH6.0 & Caldera 2.2. While all distributions could probably easily
have been set up eventually, SuSE installed first time; so I stuck
with it. But I suppose it all depends on exact hardware configuration
as to whish is easier to install.
regards
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From: Tom Christiansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: vi question
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tom Christiansen)
Date: 21 Jun 1999 13:05:54 -0700
[courtesy cc of this posting mailed to cited author]
In comp.os.linux.misc,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steffan O'Sullivan) writes:
:If you want it to be the default always, edit your .exrc file to read:
:set tabstop=4
There's a special pit in hell reserved for those who change their
hardtabs instead of just changing their shiftwidths.
--tom
--
Substitute "damn" every time you're inclined to write "very"; your
editor will delete it and the writing will be just as it should be.
-- Mark Twain
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From: John Hunter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: tar prob w/ recirsive links
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 19:23:23 GMT
I'm using GNU tar to archive some directories which are symbolic links
in the root of the file system. I'm using the -h option to
dereference symbolic links. Unfortunately, there are some recursive
links in these direcotries. So tar does an infinite nest.
Any way around this other than removing the problem links?
JDH
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Kulisz)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: first/second/third world
Date: 22 Jun 1999 06:47:58 GMT
In article <7kmk7h$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
John S. Dyson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>It is fun to see your misuse of English in the terms that you
>use to describe the USA. Is it that you don't own a dictionary
>and are making up usage, or perhaps maybe you know nothing about
>things that you are talking about?
Of course, you don't need any argument to prove that the USA isn't
fascist or imperialist because Everyone Knows That, right? Shit,
only US citizens could swallow that bullshit. Ask citizens of El
Salvador, Columbia, or even Tahiti whether the USA is imperialist.
Be prepared with your excuses.
>Do you know what being free is?
Do you? Freedom to the likes of you is freedom to destroy, enslave
and murder. To me it's what's enumerated in the Universal Declaration.
And nobody who's taken a look at it can say with a straight face that
the USA upholds a single one of them for even a single day.
> Is freedom what the gov't gives
>to you, or is it what you demand of the gov't?
You know, I just don't give a damn about "freedom". I care about
Human Rights. What a radical idea!
> Are you the same
>person who chooses not to protect yourself from an insane person
I consider running away a far more effective form of protection
than fumbling for a gun in order to murder the other person (oh
right, I'm supposed to call him a "perpetrator" because he's not
a human being, as we all know).
>or a mugger? Is it that you also choose not to protect yourself
>from the excesses of a bureaucratic gov't?
And how do you suggest protecting oneself from that? Knowing your
type, it's probably with nuclear bombs, am I right? The only effective
way to protect oneself from the government is to start a mass movement.
History proves this again and again, but that doesn't seem to matter
since those in power have a vested interest in your type never learning
anything from it. You prove yourself to be far more a pawn of those in
power than the socialists you attack in your ignorance.
>You do seem to allude to various pieces of literary fiction as some
Ahhh, so Chomsky's Manufacturing Consent is "fiction" now because as
we all know, the media are wholesome and pure and utterly unbiased.
A solid 70% of your article was empty tripe. Can you make 80?
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From: "Hughes, Robert S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: add user
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 14:24:02 -0500
linuxconf?
sadams wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I used to have a nice graphical interface to replace adduser(useradd).
> Somewhere, I lost it; I don't remember what it was called. Any
> suggestions for a adduser GUI would be appreciated. Thanks.
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From: "Mark Walter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.comp.linux.isp,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Any Netflow Collector/Analyzer tools out there?
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 23:34:00 -0700
Help!
I'm looking for any netflow collector/analyzer tools that can work against a
Cisco 7200 series router.
While I wouldn't mind hearing about other OS options, I'd prefer something
that runs on Linux.
Any info or suggestions would be appreciated!
Thanks,
Mark
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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