Linux-Misc Digest #761, Volume #20 Wed, 23 Jun 99 23:13:08 EDT
Contents:
RedHat6.0 questions ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: I'm thinking about installing Linux (The New Guy)
Converting Mac Word to ASCII (was Mac formatted floppy) (Dave Bailey)
Re: System.map (mist)
Re: first/second/third world (jik-)
Re: Linux systems- Poor security (Ray)
Re: first/second/third world (Belgarion)
Re: How to pronounce SuSE? (Gene Wilburn)
Re: Missing crt1.o file (John Girash)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RedHat6.0 questions
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 22:08:36 GMT
Hi folks, I have a win95/RH5.1(2.0.35) dual boot box and just upgraded to
RH6.0 last night, it was, I have to say, not a good feeling. RH6.0 seemed to
broke a lot of old things I had, for example, I used Window Maker 0.5.1 and
it worked perfectly for me, but after the upgrade, when I login( run level 3)
to the system and startx, yes it started, yes window maker fired up, but
asclock was gone! And I couldn't "locate" anything!(always got an error mesg
saying some stupid things which I don't remember) "locate" works fine when I
boot into run level 5 and run it in a terminal window in KDE or GNOME, so I g
guess RH6.0(or this 2.2.x kernel) messed up with some libs which window maker
depends on, ok I can live with that(and can probably fix it later on, I hope),
what I don't like RH6.0 is that I couldn't run pppd or minicom after the
upgrade, and it took me half an hour before I realized I have to set SUID of
these programs, but again, modem can't be accessed, and I had to chmod, damn,
ain't RH6.0 supposed to be "user-friendly"? How could they change permissions
of files without noticing me? Anyway I finally could get back online "manually"
(by typing commands in a terminal window), but then the problem came:
I serched thru those fancy menus and options in KDE/GNOME, and I can't find
anything that's related to PPP! I've heard somebody talking about kpppd, but
where is it? I mean how come it isn't within the desktop menu by default? Now
I have to serach thru the programs and manully edit some config files to add
the new options I guess, what a pain in the ***.
Oh, the questions, for both KDE and GNOME:
1. How can you change color depth in KDE or GNOME? when I was using startx
before I can simply specify the color depth in the command line, but now
it's GUI, big deal, and there is a DISPLAY window where you can set colors
themes background, etc, just like windows, eh? No! In windows you CAN change
the color depth and resolution in the DISPLAY window in control panel, in
KDE or GNOME? At least I didn't see anything related to that except for
those stupid "themes" "background" and other useless s**t, and my default
setting I guess was 800x600 with 8 bit color, which looked OK but kinda
messy.
2. If I want to set certain color depth and resolution to be the default value
how can I do it? I mean for gdm, I wanr every time when that login window
appears, it's already say 800x600 with 16 bit color and remains so after
you login and automatically started KDE or GNOME.
3. The current window area is much smaller than that in windows, I used use
xvidtune to adjust the window size, now can I do this automatically? I
mean can I do this upon bootup so that each time gdm starts and the login
window appears the whole window area is already adjusted properly and
remains so after login?
4. Ok I've set the "xsreensaver" to be automatically activated after certain
time, and it worked OK in KDE, but when I logout, and there was that login
window again, and it wouldn't disappear(activated screensaver) after a long
time, I am asking can I also set screensaver to be activated also in the
login screen after a certain amount of time? Is xset the proper way to do
it?
Alright these are the first problems I met and I guess also the most urgent,
I'd really appreciate folks if someone can give me some hints on any of them,
besides, may I ask, can I downgrade back to RH5.1(or 5.2) as easy as I upgrade
? Oh, one final point, I tried both GNOME and KDE, for several hours, and
I like KDE better, GNOME's got a better desktop menu and a better clock,
other than these it sucks compared to KDE, and KDE sucks compared to my old
beautiful window maker.:)
Thanx for your help! I'll probably post more questions and frustrating
experiences as I keep fighting to get wverything back to work again.
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From: The New Guy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: I'm thinking about installing Linux
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 22:19:09 GMT
Give these links a try:
For installation:
http://howto.linuxberg.com/LDP/HOWTO/Installation-HOWTO.html
for other linux - related issues check out:
http://howto.linuxberg.com/LDP/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX-3.html#ss3.1
Hope this helps
The New Guy
Scott Arpajian wrote:
>
> I'm thinking about installing Linux at home. I want to dual boot with
>
> Windows 98. Any good suggestions on where to find information for
>
> beginners on installing Linux?
>
> ------------------ Posted via SearchLinux ------------------
> http://www.searchlinux.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dave Bailey)
Subject: Converting Mac Word to ASCII (was Mac formatted floppy)
Date: 24 Jun 1999 02:13:27 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thanks for the responses, turns out I had hfs in my 2.2 kernel,
so everything went great. Now I'm looking at a bunch of Mac
MS Word files and wondering if there's any code out there which
will convert these to ASCII text. I've done binary dumps of
some of them and apparently the Mac (or Word) uses different
characters for things like quotes and apostrophes and so on,
and, interestingly, sometimes there are big chunks of unprintable
characters sitting in the middle of words, sentences, between
paragraphs, you name it. Already, this is far more than I
ever wanted to know about the format of a Word file. So, if
anybody knows of any code which can convert Word to ASCII (or
even better, Word to TeX [fat chance]), please let me know.
Thanks.
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Dave Bailey
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: mist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: System.map
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 18:56:47 +0100
Reply-To: mist <new$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
David L. Bilbey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> scribed to us that -
>I just moved up to kernel 2.2.10 (from the 2.2.5-?? in RH 6). The problem
>is on boot: I get a message about System.map being the wrong kernel
>version. Does anyone know why? This never used to happen to me when
>upgrading my kernel.
>
My version of Redhat keeps a copy of the System.map in /boot, so I
imagine yours would too. Copy across System.map from /usr/src/linux
after you compile the kernel to /boot/System.map-2.2.10 and then symlink
that to /boot/System.map. Hopefully that should remove the message.
--
Mist.
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From: jik- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: first/second/third world
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 18:56:05 -0700
> I think the point you are missing is that a lot of people
> follow the media, rather than follow the news itself. If media doesn't
> show it, it doesn't get attention.
>
> Have you noticed that Monica Lewinksky's book is out, and not
> selling for shit? It goes to show that the media was interested in this
> fiasco, and not the people. It goes to show for how much the populace
> TRULY decides what they see on TV. (if it wasn't painfully obvious
> already)
I did notice her book was out, but had stopped paying attention.
Perhaps most people became bored and discusted with the whole thing
eventually,...but it did seem to me that most were fully engrosed while
it was happening.
>
> >It is possible. I do tend to agree that as a rule peoples self value
> >has gone way down hill. People don't even care enough about themselves
> >to simply be honest anymore. You have job pollatics, people stealing
> >from friends and their neighbors...shit I have a hard time trusting
> >anyone anymore, I think thats one of the worse things about the whole
> >situation. TV and Movies has degraded into soft porn, hardly ever does
> >anything of any real value stick around yet slop like Melros Place is on
> >for years...that show was about nothing but people stabbing everyone
> >else in the back and fucking whoever it was most profitable to fuck at
> >the time...or just to hurt someone.
>
> This is your viewpoint, which is defined by your surroundings.
> Personally, I have made a committment to myself to not let this happen
> around me, and if I have to sacrifice my pride to make a very loud
> retort to the people that treat me like you have stated above, so be
> it. I have lost jobs because the I questioned the ethics and morals of
> my employers, and in the 2 cases where this has happened, I have found
> another job to replace them with managers/owners who are morally
> objective people. And, if these people are not morally objective, they
> do a damn good job of creating that sense of security around me, which
> is all that I ask for.
Well I don't think that is sacrificing any pride...in fact probably more
if you mere to let it happen. But it is very hard when these are people
you care about, and when most seem to be this way. Only 1 or 2 of my
friends do I fully trust, and they must be very valuable because most
everyone else seems to be trying to rob me all the time.
>
> The point is, if you let it happen, it's bound to continue.
> Perhaps you shouldn't let it happen around you.
Sometimes it also is not your decision, but the decision of those you
live with.
>
> >
> >> Perhaps it is the individual kindness of the American
> >> individual who allows themselves to be characterized as
> >> 'shallow', and then questions this and worrying that it
> >> might be true...
> >
> >Oh god don't make me sick. The people recently vetoed affirmative
> >action while the KKK and its beliefs are still here and strong. The
> >people, people I care about, that did this made the excuse that "All
> >those black people using affirmative action to get OUR jobs need to be
> >stopped". They are constantly trying to lessen the support foor the
> >poor and needy in this country by crippling welfare support and health
> >care reforms. Every time I watch the news, someone is killing or has
> >killed someone else, always some fucked up thing which people are doing
> >to other people right here in this country. The whole thing seems to
> >either revolve around a shallow selfish greedy nothing....or not even
> >anything at all. Seems these days people would just as soon stamp you
> >out as look at you.
>
> Affirmative action is flawed. It supports discrimination using
> discrimination as an excuse. Our society will never accept a "human
> being, not racial being" methodology if we continue to support things
> like this. There are better ways.
It may be flawed, but it is still necissary. As long as the kinds of
beliefs that I was talking about are still believed then we need some
sort of law to keep people from acting on them.
>
> Perhaps you should stop listening to the news so much. They're
> trying to sell ad space as well, you know.
I try to avoid the news like the plague. It wasn't the news which told
me anything about the affirmative action deal. I know by watching
people that it was a bad thing it was done away with. Most everyone I
know is at least a little racist, some blatantly so. Right now I can't
believe that the world will be ready for removal of affirmative action
and other such laws for a very long time.
>
> >My mother left her job because the people she worked with treated the
> >people they were supposed to be helping like dogs....very derogitory
> >statements were made about Indians and Mexicans right there in the
> >presence of tribal elders. She worked for a branch of DSHS which is
> >supposed to contract educational services and scholorships and the whole
> >system was robbing from the till. The place was audited and she told
> >them everything, so it was all pinned on this one guy. This was not
> >some high up government conspiracy, this was average people doing these
> >things. And that is not HALF of what went on there...that she was aware
> >of and told me about.
>
> My apologies for missing the former part of this thread. Either
> way, your mother did the right thing, and should have convinced others
> in her situation to do the same thing as well.
Yeah, I keep telling her she should have sued them.
>
> >Its very hard to hold on to the belief that people in general are
> >inherently good while so much of this shit goes on. Certainly the
> >average individual is not a shining example of kindness, victems of
> >their own said kindness, thinking themselves shallow because they are so
> >great.
>
> People are generally good, but the nullify this goodness by
> ignoring things that are bad. However, most people have the "me"
> attitude these days. Let them have it.
Yes, I to believe that people are basically good. However society is a
monster, and society being basicly the lump sum of all the people....It
is hard to keep believing that at times.
> >I hate sophistication. Seems all the worse things in the world came
> >about because of sophistication. Its just another way to look down upon
> >someone else.
>
> Sophistication is a very subjective term, which is the biggest
> problem with striving to be "sophisticated". You have a view of
> sophistication whether or not you like the word at all, all it is
> comprised of is the sum of your social goals. After all, you're not
> goign to find too many rednecks admitting they are rednecks, and if
> they are, they feel that's all the "sophistication" they need. Hence,
> they are "sophisiticated".
>
> Perhaps the original author meant to say "those who do not meet
> the standardly accepted social guidelines".
And that is more or less how I interpreted it. Sophistication is a word
for that which seperates the "civilized" from those that are "savage".
A way for the educated and well off to raise themselves beyond the reach
of the lower forms of life. Most of the "sophisticated" are indeed the
very essence of uncivilized, even though they are wrapped in a cloak of
"sophistication" and status.
>
> >> but I have met provincial
> >> people from numerous cultures, and I don't really consider
> >> it to be anything important. (Okay, there are certain things
> >> in certain cultures that I find to be disgusting, if not
> >> nauseating, but I don't often consider their beliefs or
> >> activities to be 'wrong', but just unacceptable for me to
> >> follow.)
> >
> >Oh, there are things I find about many cultures I think are very
> >wrong....about half are in this one...if we even have one, its at least
> >degraded into really nasty shit if we even have a culture anymore. Not
> >because the people are bad or moronic, but all together,...the applied
> >intelegence of this whole country is probably an IQ of about 8...
>
> I agree that culture is lost, but only because people are
> becoming more open-minded when it comes to culture, and therefore, they
> explore it.
Being open minded to culture would be a culture...it would be a
combination of all cultures...which is there, down deap underneath the
mess.
> Perhaps they subscribe to a culture that has no grounding
> in thier present society. As more people adopt this culture in this
> society, the more the roots of the culture fade as the original
> meanings and driving of the culture are no longer supported and/or
> needed.
>
> Even though I wouldn't consider this movie "Fine Art", Tommy
> Lee Jones' character (K or J, can't recall) said something I found very
> insightful.
>
> (paraphrased) "A person is smart. People, however, are stupid,
> thoughtless, and panicky."
>
> This is a bad paraphrase, but I think you can see the point.
Yeah, its the point I was generally making.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ray)
Subject: Re: Linux systems- Poor security
Date: 18 Jun 1999 09:19:38 GMT
On Thu, 17 Jun 1999 09:40:26 GMT, Tim Philip Williams
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>My Linux system was OK!
>I guess the other Linux users that 'don't know what they're doing', just
>don't have the time to do all the resaerch necessary to make their
>systems secure.
>Hence the need for a secure distribution out of the box!
You can go a long ways by just checking hosts.allow, hosts.deny, and
inetd.conf. These are the same on nearly all distros. so it shouldn't be a
huge burden. I guess you'd also want to do a "ps aux" to check for any
running daemons. If you want to take it a step further you could distribute
a script that sets up some reasonable firewall rules. Once again, the same
script should work on just about any version of Linux as long as firewalling
has been included in the kernel. FWIW Debian is one of the more secure
distros. out of the box.
>
>But NT *seems* to be more secure out-of-the-box than Linux. This was my
>point. Although I don't doubt that Linux can be set-up to be
>bullet-proof, most Linux systems around are probably running the
>distribution default configurations.
There really isn't any "Default configuration" for most distributions.
>
>
>I don't think they have the time to research all the security holes in
>all the various Linux distributions that people use here. They have
>always left it up to us to secure our systems ... and some of us have
>failed to do that because we are not expert administrators.
That's really an accident waiting to happen with any OS. Do you guys all
have real (ie non-private) ip addresses too? Is there a firewall in place?
>They *are*
>Unix experts because we have MANY commercial Unix's here and only Linux
>has been hacked in the past (multiple occasions).
How many of those other Unix systems are admined by normal users?
--
Ray
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Belgarion)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: first/second/third world
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]@[EMAIL PROTECTED]@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 23 Jun 1999 15:27:39 PST
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, jik- wrote:
>"John S. Dyson" wrote:
>>
>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> jik- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> >
>> > I agree whole heartedly on this point, republicans ARE
>> > fascists....course the democrats are no better or much different.
>> > Really both sides are as shallow as the American people.
>> >
>> Respectfully, judgements such as the about about the American
>> people are just as bad as any number of other stupid and
>> jingoistic statements that I could make about other countries.
>
>That was a statement based on watching recent events in american
>history. Its not exactly that the american people are idiots, but the
>american public is. People just seem to shut off their own thought
>processes and follow the current 'in' thing. I watched a guy on the
>news boo at OJ Simpson and then take a photograph while jumping about
>smiling....what is that? The entire country was taken in by this Monica
>deal...not because "Bill Clinton lied" as was the excuse for it, but
>because it was a sexy dirty soap opera and they ate it up. The american
>public is UTTERLY stupid.
I think the point you are missing is that a lot of people
follow the media, rather than follow the news itself. If media doesn't
show it, it doesn't get attention.
Have you noticed that Monica Lewinksky's book is out, and not
selling for shit? It goes to show that the media was interested in this
fiasco, and not the people. It goes to show for how much the populace
TRULY decides what they see on TV. (if it wasn't painfully obvious
already)
>It is possible. I do tend to agree that as a rule peoples self value
>has gone way down hill. People don't even care enough about themselves
>to simply be honest anymore. You have job pollatics, people stealing
>from friends and their neighbors...shit I have a hard time trusting
>anyone anymore, I think thats one of the worse things about the whole
>situation. TV and Movies has degraded into soft porn, hardly ever does
>anything of any real value stick around yet slop like Melros Place is on
>for years...that show was about nothing but people stabbing everyone
>else in the back and fucking whoever it was most profitable to fuck at
>the time...or just to hurt someone.
This is your viewpoint, which is defined by your surroundings.
Personally, I have made a committment to myself to not let this happen
around me, and if I have to sacrifice my pride to make a very loud
retort to the people that treat me like you have stated above, so be
it. I have lost jobs because the I questioned the ethics and morals of
my employers, and in the 2 cases where this has happened, I have found
another job to replace them with managers/owners who are morally
objective people. And, if these people are not morally objective, they
do a damn good job of creating that sense of security around me, which
is all that I ask for.
The point is, if you let it happen, it's bound to continue.
Perhaps you shouldn't let it happen around you.
>
>> Perhaps it is the individual kindness of the American
>> individual who allows themselves to be characterized as
>> 'shallow', and then questions this and worrying that it
>> might be true...
>
>Oh god don't make me sick. The people recently vetoed affirmative
>action while the KKK and its beliefs are still here and strong. The
>people, people I care about, that did this made the excuse that "All
>those black people using affirmative action to get OUR jobs need to be
>stopped". They are constantly trying to lessen the support foor the
>poor and needy in this country by crippling welfare support and health
>care reforms. Every time I watch the news, someone is killing or has
>killed someone else, always some fucked up thing which people are doing
>to other people right here in this country. The whole thing seems to
>either revolve around a shallow selfish greedy nothing....or not even
>anything at all. Seems these days people would just as soon stamp you
>out as look at you.
Affirmative action is flawed. It supports discrimination using
discrimination as an excuse. Our society will never accept a "human
being, not racial being" methodology if we continue to support things
like this. There are better ways.
Perhaps you should stop listening to the news so much. They're
trying to sell ad space as well, you know.
>My mother left her job because the people she worked with treated the
>people they were supposed to be helping like dogs....very derogitory
>statements were made about Indians and Mexicans right there in the
>presence of tribal elders. She worked for a branch of DSHS which is
>supposed to contract educational services and scholorships and the whole
>system was robbing from the till. The place was audited and she told
>them everything, so it was all pinned on this one guy. This was not
>some high up government conspiracy, this was average people doing these
>things. And that is not HALF of what went on there...that she was aware
>of and told me about.
My apologies for missing the former part of this thread. Either
way, your mother did the right thing, and should have convinced others
in her situation to do the same thing as well.
>Its very hard to hold on to the belief that people in general are
>inherently good while so much of this shit goes on. Certainly the
>average individual is not a shining example of kindness, victems of
>their own said kindness, thinking themselves shallow because they are so
>great.
People are generally good, but the nullify this goodness by
ignoring things that are bad. However, most people have the "me"
attitude these days. Let them have it.
My point is, that your perspective on life is only changed by
changing your perspective, not the perspective of the ones around you.
>
>> There are some problems with the culture, and sure, there
>> are some *individuals* who are shallow (read: provincial, or
>> those of limited sophisitcation),
>
>I hate sophistication. Seems all the worse things in the world came
>about because of sophistication. Its just another way to look down upon
>someone else.
Sophistication is a very subjective term, which is the biggest
problem with striving to be "sophisticated". You have a view of
sophistication whether or not you like the word at all, all it is
comprised of is the sum of your social goals. After all, you're not
goign to find too many rednecks admitting they are rednecks, and if
they are, they feel that's all the "sophistication" they need. Hence,
they are "sophisiticated".
Perhaps the original author meant to say "those who do not meet
the standardly accepted social guidelines".
>> but I have met provincial
>> people from numerous cultures, and I don't really consider
>> it to be anything important. (Okay, there are certain things
>> in certain cultures that I find to be disgusting, if not
>> nauseating, but I don't often consider their beliefs or
>> activities to be 'wrong', but just unacceptable for me to
>> follow.)
>
>Oh, there are things I find about many cultures I think are very
>wrong....about half are in this one...if we even have one, its at least
>degraded into really nasty shit if we even have a culture anymore. Not
>because the people are bad or moronic, but all together,...the applied
>intelegence of this whole country is probably an IQ of about 8...
I agree that culture is lost, but only because people are
becoming more open-minded when it comes to culture, and therefore, they
explore it. Perhaps they subscribe to a culture that has no grounding
in thier present society. As more people adopt this culture in this
society, the more the roots of the culture fade as the original
meanings and driving of the culture are no longer supported and/or
needed.
Even though I wouldn't consider this movie "Fine Art", Tommy
Lee Jones' character (K or J, can't recall) said something I found very
insightful.
(paraphrased) "A person is smart. People, however, are stupid,
thoughtless, and panicky."
This is a bad paraphrase, but I think you can see the point.
--
Erik Hollensbe/AKA Belgarion
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From: Gene Wilburn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How to pronounce SuSE?
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 01:51:09 GMT
John Emmer wrote:
>
> Ok, I know this is trivial, but I just did a search on Deja News and
> looked at their website, and I can't find the answer. How does one
> pronounce SuSE? Is it like 'use' or like 'uzi'?
Despite its official pronunciation, it'll always be "Suzy" to me :-)
Gene
--
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From: John Girash <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Missing crt1.o file
Date: 24 Jun 1999 01:45:45 GMT
Uri Kerbel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> After executing 'make dep' during a kernel update (using Red Hat 5.2),
> I get an error message stating that the file crt1.o is missing.
> Where can I obtain this file and where must I place it?
Searching for "crt1.o" on www.debian.org's packages page gives:
FILE PACKAGE
usr/i486-linuxchecker/lib/crt1.o devel/checker
usr/i486-linuxlibc1/lib/crt1.o oldlibs/libc5-altdev
usr/i486-linuxlibc1/lib/gcrt1.o oldlibs/libc5-altdev
usr/lib/Mcrt1.o devel/libc6-dev
usr/lib/crt1.o devel/libc6-dev
usr/lib/gcrt1.o devel/libc6-dev
It's apparently part of libc, so I expect /usr/lib would be the RH path too.
jg
--
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a useless old expression, it means / passing time until you die." : the West
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