Linux-Misc Digest #836, Volume #20 Mon, 28 Jun 99 22:13:08 EDT
Contents:
changing default os at boot ("J. Grant Kessler")
Re: HELP! Netscape doesn't recognize dialed-up connections (Bill Unruh)
Re: Documentation issues. (Matt Curtin)
Re: Linux vs. Unix (Robert Heller)
Re: Printer problem for kernel 2.2.10 (Joceli Mayer)
Re: NT the best web platform? ("Stuart Fox")
AHA 2940UW (Kurt Hindenburg)
Raid 1 on RH 6.0 ("Edwin E. Smith")
ISP Mail Retrieval ("Ryan Chapman")
Re: Linux loses in NT tests (Silviu Minut)
Re: NT the best web platform? ("Chad Mulligan")
Don't bother, nothing there Re: This is my favorite Linux site (it has everything)
(Cameron L. Spitzer)
Re: NT the best web platform? ("Chad Mulligan")
Re: Which Linux for beginner? (Paul Schmidt)
Problem with ftape after upgrading to RH 6.0 (Michael Davis)
Re: NT the best web platform? (Jason O'Rourke)
Re: red hat linux 6.0 + windows 2000 (Michel Catudal)
Re: Which Linux for beginner? (Coy A Hile)
Re: Documentation issues. (Christopher Browne)
Qpopper and passwords ("Arkadiusz Goralski")
Re: Soundblaster Live, 2.2.5 kernel error (Michel Catudal)
Re: This is my favorite Linux site (it has everything) (Stewart Honsberger)
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From: "J. Grant Kessler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: changing default os at boot
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 19:20:23 -0400
I'm looking for a way to have a computer default to booting windows nt
during the day and linux at night. During the day, the computers must
boot windows nt, but at night, I would like to set an at command to reboot
the computer out of windows nt and automatically boot into linux. By
morning, I'd like a cronjob to reboot linux and boot into windows nt. I'm
trying to automate this process so that the computers can be utilized for
parallel processing in linux(not nt) at night, and go back to their normal
duties as nt workstations during the day.
I was wondering if there are any boot loaders which will change the
default operating system at boot based upon time. I have not found any.
Is there a way in windows nt to modify the mbr using an at command?
Dskprobe.exe appears to do this, but also appears to need human
intervention and cannot be run by an at command automatically.
Any suggestions or help will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Grant
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: HELP! Netscape doesn't recognize dialed-up connections
Date: 29 Jun 1999 00:20:25 GMT
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (U.V. Ravindra) writes:
>However, when I start up Netscape, it doesn't recognize the open
>connection. What could be going wrong? I've tried looking
>everywhere, but I can't see a single place in Netscape where I
>can set anything up with respect to this? If my local xterms
>are able to recognize the existence of the connection, why isn't
>my local Netscape able to do the same thing?
Netscape does not use /etc/hosts. It has its own resolver routines
within netscape, and does not use the one on the system. Thus everything
must be set up in a canonical manner-- DNS in /etc/resolv.conf for
example must be a valid DNS.
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From: Matt Curtin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.unix.bsd.misc
Subject: Re: Documentation issues.
Date: 28 Jun 1999 20:46:11 -0400
>>>>> On 28 Jun 1999 12:31:27 -0700, Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
Russ> Not everyone is going to have all those tools installed.
That's a silly argument.
That's like saying that you should write your scripts in awk because
not everyone will have Perl installed.
At some point, you have to say, "look, use reasonable tools".
--
Matt Curtin [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.interhack.net/people/cmcurtin/
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From: Robert Heller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux vs. Unix
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 00:12:31 GMT
"Bob" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
In a message on Mon, 28 Jun 1999 12:10:56 -0400, wrote :
"> How much different is Linux than Unix? Are the system commands basically
"> the same? What are the major differences between the two? Please help
"> clarify this for me. Thank you in advance.
>From a user view and a user programming view, Linux is just another
flavor of UNIX. All of the same basic shell commands (cp, mv, ls, cat,
more, man, etc.), same system interface calls (open(), close(), read(),
printf(), etc.).
The differences are much more subtle:
* The kernel contains no code from AT&T.
* Does not have 'plain' /bin/sh or /bin/csh. Instead, /bin/sh
is linked to /bin/bash (bash does everything sh does and then some) and
/bin/csh is linked to /bin/tcsh (ditto).
* cc IS gcc, c++ IS g++.
There are probably some others, but they are probably even more
'obscure'. Generally, unless you are doing kernel hacking or doing
fairly exotic programming, you can deal with Linux like you would with
any UNIX O/S (including *BSD).
Technically, 'Linux' only refers to the kernel itself. The
rest of the distribution is just the add on stuff you need to do useful
stuff (shells, compilers, editors, window system, etc.). Most of this
stuff is commonly installed on commercial UNIX systems, even though the
commercial UNIX includes versions of the same programs -- this is it is
not uncommon to install gcc/g++ on a commercial UNIX, even when the C
compiler is bundled with the O/S or to install the GNU versions of cp,
mv, etc. even though these utilities are generally included with all
commercial UNIXes -- often the GNU versions work better, are less buggy
(!), or have useful added features. In other words, many *actual*
commercial UNIX installations are more like Linux that the normal base
install of the commercial UNIX.
">
"> Bob
">
">
">
--
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Robert Heller ||InterNet: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://vis-www.cs.umass.edu/~heller || [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Joceli Mayer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Printer problem for kernel 2.2.10
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 23:32:57 +0000
If you didn't solve your problem yet, take a look in a previous post in
newsgroup entitled:
"Re: Can't print; /dev/lp0 not detected; procfs?"
You may have the same problem I had with ZIP and LP at same port and the
solution is easy to apply but not
easy to find ;)
Good Printings and let me know if it helped, I really wanna know how many
people is stuck with this
very hard problem.
Rafael Stekolshchik wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Why my printer DeskJet 400 doesn't work?
> (before for linux 2.0.30 it worked finely,
> and it also worked in Win95)
>
> Here are reports from different programs:
>
> 1) kernel is updated to 2.2.10 ,
> parport & printer configuration are:
>
> CONFIG_PARPORT=m
> CONFIG_PARPORT_PC=m
> CONFIG_PRINTER=m
> CONFIG_PRINTER_READBACK=y
>
> 2)
> more conf.modules
> returns
>
> alias parport_lowlevel parport_pc
> options parport_pc io=0x378 irq=7
>
> 3)
> dmesg:
>
> parport0: PC-style at 0x378, irq 7 [SPP]
> parport0: no IEEE-1284 device present.
> lp0: using parport0 (interrupt-driven).
>
> 4)
> When I do
> /sbin/insmod parport_probe.o
>
> I get
> parport0: Printer, Hewlett-Packard HP DeskJet 400
> in the /var/log/messages
>
> 5) My printer is in the chain with the ZIP device
>
> 6) lpq:
>
> waiting for lp to become ready (offline ?)
> Rank Owner Job Files Total Size
> 1st root 33 /opt/test.txt 2610 bytes
>
> 7) more /proc/parport/0/autoprobe
> returns
>
> CLASS:PRINTER;
> MODEL:HP DeskJet 400;
> MANUFACTURER:Hewlett-Packard;
> DESCRIPTION:HP ;
> COMMAND SET:PCL,C32;
>
> 8) more /proc/parport/0/devices
> returns
>
> lp
>
> 9) more /proc/parport/0/hardware
> base: 0x378
> irq: 7
> dma: none
> modes: SPP
>
> 10) lpd is running,
> ps auxS | grep lpd
> returns
>
> lp 66 0.0 0.1 1608 40 ? S 07:47 0:00 /usr/sbin/lpd
>
> root 62 0.0 0.0 1596 0 ? SW 07:47 0:00 (lpd)
>
> 11) /etc/printcap
>
> lp|lp0|a4-auto-mono:\
> :lp=/dev/lp0:\
> :sd=/var/spool/lpd/a4-auto-mono:\
> :lf=/var/spool/lpd/a4-auto-mono/log:\
> :if=/usr/sbin/lpf:\
> :mx#0:\
> :sh:
>
> Rafael Stekolshchik
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From: "Stuart Fox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: NT the best web platform?
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 11:45:49 +1200
Miguel Cruz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:R6Nd3.96071$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Donovan Rebbechi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Your evidence suggests you cannot configure NT properly.
> >
> > I see comments like this all the time, and I wonder: does NT really have
> > this much touted "ease of administration" ? I always hear NT advocates
> > say "you configured it wrong", but they are incapable of pointing out
> > *what* was ( or in the absence of detailed information, what *might
have*
> > ) been configured incorrectly, which makes one wonder if configuring NT
is
> > not even a science, but a black art.
>
> Same question bugs me. When someone has a problem with Unix, the responses
> say what to fix to make it work. When someone has a problem with NT, the
> responses are all stories of mythical NT servers with 12-year uptimes,
> coupled with personal insults about administrator incompetence.
>
> I have never yet received a successful solution to an NT problem in a
> newsgroup or from MS tech support. The only working solution always ends
up
> being to abandon the product being used and try another one (generally an
NT
> port of a unix-world open source program).
Try going to msnews.microsoft.com and posting your problem in one of the
newsgroups there. Most people end up being helped.
Handy hint: Starting a post by saying "NT Sucks, I can't get this going"
isn't the best way to ask for help.
Seriously though, in the newsgroups I read, people don't just flame others
when they have a problem with NT. The stories of sustained NT uptimes are
usually posted when people whinge, bitch and FUD about how their NT server
blue screens all the time.
Stu
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kurt Hindenburg)
Subject: AHA 2940UW
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 00:42:56 GMT
I'm using RH6.0 with latest kernel (2.2.10). I have an AHA2940UW.
Everything works fine in Linux; however on start-up I get the
following error/notice. I was curious as to why RH/Linux would like
the 2940 NOT to be auto-terminated. Again, I have no problems with
the card whatsoever.
(scsi0) <Adaptec AHA-294X Ultra SCSI host adapter> found at PCI 20/0
(scsi0) Wide Channel, SCSI ID=7, 16/255 SCBs
(scsi0) Warning - detected auto-termination
(scsi0) Please verify driver detected settings are correct.
(scsi0) If not, then please properly set the device termination
(scsi0) in the Adaptec SCSI BIOS by hitting CTRL-A when prompted
(scsi0) during machine bootup.
(scsi0) Cables present (Int-50 YES, Int-68 NO, Ext-68 NO)
(scsi0) Downloading sequencer code... 413 instructions downloaded
scsi0 : Adaptec AHA274x/284x/294x (EISA/VLB/PCI-Fast SCSI)
5.1.17/3.2.4
<Adaptec AHA-294X Ultra SCSI host adapter>
scsi : 1 host.
Vendor: MAXTOR Model: 7120SCS Rev: 3235
Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 01
CCS
Detected scsi disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0
Vendor: IOMEGA Model: ZIP 100 Rev: N*32
Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02
Detected scsi removable disk sdb at scsi0, channel 0, id 6, lun 0
scsi : detected 2 SCSI disks total.
SCSI device sda: hdwr sector= 512 bytes. Sectors= 248502 [121 MB] [0.1
GB]
SCSI device sdb: hdwr sector= 512 bytes. Sectors= 196608 [96 MB] [0.1
GB]
sdb: Write Protect is off
Thanks, Kurt
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From: "Edwin E. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Raid 1 on RH 6.0
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 19:29:14 -0400
Hello:
I am trying to learn how to convert an RH 6.0 server to RAID 1 by adding
a second hard disk on /dev/hdc.
I have experimented and was successful in creating 2 test partitions on
the new hard drive to mirror each other then created /dev/md0 and
mounted it to /temp.
I can use this new filesystem OK but I really wanted to convert the
entire system to RAID 1.
Anybody done this?
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From: "Ryan Chapman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: ISP Mail Retrieval
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 18:35:11 -0600
I'm trying to set our Linux server to periodically dial in to our ISP and
retrieve our employee's mail and not remove the new mail it dials in again
(the mail deleted from our server will dictate what to delete from the pop
server), so that if they need to connect from home to retrieve it. I'm
looking for suggestions on how to perform this.
I've looked at Sendmail and Perl scripts.
Thanks,
Ryan Chapman
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From: Silviu Minut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux loses in NT tests
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 19:17:45 -0400
Alex Lam wrote:
> Silviu Minut wrote:
> >
> > > Redhat SUX big time anyway....
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Not trying to defend RedHat (although I'm running it), just trying to
> > understand, but why does it suck that bad?
>
> I have nothing but problems with RH since 4.0, first, it killed one of
> my monitor during auto probing.
I still fail to understand what RH has to do with that. Ain't X -probeonly
an Xserver thing? Was your monitor supported?
> 2nd. It never allows me to install
> completely in all the boxes that I've tried. (5, from old P-133 to brand
> new dual cpu full U2WSCSI.)
>
Strange. I never had any problems installing RH5.0, RH5.2 and RH6.0. It's
true, I did skip the autoprobe of the monitor cause I knew it could lock up
the computer, and I installed and configured the Xserver afterwards.
>
> But I was able to install SuSE, Slackware, FreeBSD on all the same boxes
> that chocked RH.
>
> The RH installer never let me pass the probing stage, both in text and
> GUI modes.
>
So if you never got to install RH, how can you say it's all junk?
Maybe it is, but from what you're saying I don't see enough justification.
>
> Alex Lam.
> --
> *** *** *** *** *** *** ***
> Remove all the upper case Xs from my email address if reply by e mail.
> **************************************************
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From: "Chad Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: NT the best web platform?
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 17:46:21 -0700
Jason O'Rourke wrote in message <7l93u1$c11$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Chad Mulligan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Of course, the secret's out, Team MS gathers around a campfire sacrificing
>>penguins to the Old Religion, you know common sense. I the absence of
other
>>evidence, someone complaining of having problems but not providing details
>>a: isn't looking for help b: doesn't have TS skills which would lead me to
>>the conclusion that they probably have misconfigured their system.
>
>so what is the secret? Based on my attempts to add a NIC to my nt
>install, and then my subsequent attempts to reinstall from scratch, I
>didn't see that many choices to be made. That was the point, no, any
>idiot can install NT? Just not this idiot - my HP KAYAK pc would start to
>panic after the third service pack was installed.
>
Try:
http://www.support.kayak.hp.com:8000/kayaksupport/level4/262kf003en/262kf003
en.html
>--
>Jason O'Rourke [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.jor.com
>'96 BMW r850R
>last dive: June 13th, Pescadero Wash Rocks (Carmel), 46 mins at 64ft max
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Cameron L. Spitzer)
Subject: Don't bother, nothing there Re: This is my favorite Linux site (it has
everything)
Date: 29 Jun 1999 00:12:03 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Brad Smith wrote:
>This is my favorite Linux site (it has everything) Http:\\209.35.64.222
>check it out as soon as you can. Lots of downloads.
>
Just some spammer. There's nothing Linux specific there at all.
Cameron
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From: "Chad Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: NT the best web platform?
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 17:34:05 -0700
Jason O'Rourke wrote in message <7l93u1$c11$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Chad Mulligan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Of course, the secret's out, Team MS gathers around a campfire sacrificing
>>penguins to the Old Religion, you know common sense. I the absence of
other
>>evidence, someone complaining of having problems but not providing details
>>a: isn't looking for help b: doesn't have TS skills which would lead me to
>>the conclusion that they probably have misconfigured their system.
>
>so what is the secret? Based on my attempts to add a NIC to my nt
>install, and then my subsequent attempts to reinstall from scratch, I
>didn't see that many choices to be made. That was the point, no, any
>idiot can install NT? Just not this idiot - my HP KAYAK pc would start to
>panic after the third service pack was installed.
What is an HP KAYAK? What errors are you getting, specifically and What
network and video adapters are present?
>
>--
>Jason O'Rourke [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.jor.com
>'96 BMW r850R
>last dive: June 13th, Pescadero Wash Rocks (Carmel), 46 mins at 64ft max
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From: Paul Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Which Linux for beginner?
Date: 29 Jun 1999 00:39:56 GMT
Alex Lam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Artur Leung wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am interested in setting up Linux besides my usual Win95/NT
>> environment. I came across the Slakware and RedHat Linux. Which one
>> should I install? What is the major difference between these two
>> products? Any info. is welcome.
>>
>> Artur
>> 6.25.99
> SuSE 6.0 0r 6.1. MUCH better hardware supports and detection.
> And much easier to install and config. YaST and SaX are much better than
> the way Redhat use for configuring.
> I've installed SuSE in 5 different boxes for myself and friends (from
> old Pentium 133 / IDE system to AMD K-6-2 3D Now, to brand new dual cpu
> P-2 full U2SCSIW system,) Redhat chocked on ALL of them, but SuSE
> installed smoothly without a single hiccup.
> The installer in Redhat is buggy.
Please explain how RedHat choked on the install? When I installed RH 6.0
on my K6/2-300 and a P166mmx it was incredibly painless and simple.
--
Paul Schmidt
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Michael Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc,linux.redhat.install
Subject: Problem with ftape after upgrading to RH 6.0
Date: 28 Jun 1999 10:33:52 -0400
Hi,
I had had ftape working nicely, I backed up my system and did an
upgrade from RH5.1 to 6.0.
But now ftape no longer works:
/tmp/etc # cd /dev
/dev # ls -l ftape
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 Aug 26 1998 ftape -> rft0
/dev # ls -l rft0
crw-rw---- 1 root disk 27, 0 May 5 1998 rft0
/dev # lsmod
Module Size Used by
ppp 18316 2 (autoclean)
slhc 4328 1 (autoclean) [ppp]
pnp 45284 0
emu8k 38600 0
opl3 13228 0
sb 31964 0
uart401 6740 0 [sb]
midi 27528 0 [pnp emu8k opl3 sb uart401]
soundbase 481092 0 [pnp emu8k opl3 sb uart401 midi]
sndshield 4784 0 [pnp emu8k opl3 sb uart401 midi
soundbase]
ftape 105844 0 (autoclean) (unused)
nls_cp437 3548 1 (autoclean)
msdos 8220 1 (autoclean)
fat 25664 1 (autoclean) [msdos]
/dev # tar tf /dev/ftape
tar: Cannot open /dev/ftape: No such device
tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now
Has anyone else had this problem?
BTW, the tape drive works fine under windows, so it's not a hardware problem.
--
// Michael Davis -- Solaris code slave and happy Linux User.
//
// From sunny Toronto...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jason O'Rourke)
Crossposted-To: comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: NT the best web platform?
Date: 28 Jun 1999 17:27:45 -0700
Chad Mulligan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Of course, the secret's out, Team MS gathers around a campfire sacrificing
>penguins to the Old Religion, you know common sense. I the absence of other
>evidence, someone complaining of having problems but not providing details
>a: isn't looking for help b: doesn't have TS skills which would lead me to
>the conclusion that they probably have misconfigured their system.
so what is the secret? Based on my attempts to add a NIC to my nt
install, and then my subsequent attempts to reinstall from scratch, I
didn't see that many choices to be made. That was the point, no, any
idiot can install NT? Just not this idiot - my HP KAYAK pc would start to
panic after the third service pack was installed.
--
Jason O'Rourke [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.jor.com
'96 BMW r850R
last dive: June 13th, Pescadero Wash Rocks (Carmel), 46 mins at 64ft max
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From: Michel Catudal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: red hat linux 6.0 + windows 2000
Date: 28 Jun 1999 20:09:04 -0500
Andromeda wrote:
>
> I have windows 2000 and I am trying to install Red Hat Linux 6.0 but when I
> use the boot disk and restart the computer it gives me a message that boot
> failed.
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> Thank You.
Isn't your NT 5.0 installed in NTFS? Perhaps there is no room
left past the 1024 cylinder.
Check where your boot is situated. Whatever partition the boot is
on must be below the 1024 cylinder. I the drive is not using LBA
it is in the first 512MB and if using LBA, in the first 8.3GB
A 8.4G drive for instance has 1027 cylinders with LBA so if you
do setup a partition at the end of the drive, it ain't likely to
be able to boot. Try making a small 16MB or so partition for
/boot and make sure it is below the 1024 cylinders. Make sure if it
is a logical partition that the whole extended partition is below
the 1024 cylinder boundary. The easiest is just to put a small
primary partition at the beginning.
--
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use Linux for safe and quick internet access
use Winblows to test the latest viruses
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history, electronics and genealogy pages.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Coy A Hile)
Subject: Re: Which Linux for beginner?
Date: 28 Jun 1999 21:05:28 -0400
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
William Wueppelmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In our last episode (Sat, 26 Jun 1999 02:31:08 GMT),
>the artist formerly known as Artur Leung said:
>>Hi,
>>
>> I am interested in setting up Linux besides my usual Win95/NT
>>environment. I came across the Slakware and RedHat Linux. Which one
>>should I install?
>
>Slackware, because once you get it set up and configured, you will no
>longer be a beginner.
>
>Seriously though, if your main objective is to learn about Linux, don't
>choose a distribution because it makes it easy for you to do things without
>understanding them. The distribution you start with isn't the distribution
>you have to stick with for all time.
>
>If your goal is to learn rather than to instantly get a Linux system up and
>running, do it the hard way; it's more educational.
>
i couldn't agree more with that point. case in point. i started with RH,
found things i didn't like, e.g. rpm -- don't ask, and then tried slack,
and i have found it a lot more to my liking. you need to know more to set
it up, but when you're done, you're not a beginner anymore.
Coy
--
Coy Hile
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Theirs not to reason why; theirs but to do...."
Tennyson, "Charge of the Light Brigade"
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.unix.bsd.misc,comp.text.sgml,comp.text.xml
Subject: Re: Documentation issues.
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 01:31:52 GMT
On 28 Jun 1999 16:40:24 GMT, Peter da Silva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>Aaron M. Renn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>On 28 Jun 1999 16:02:58 GMT, Peter da Silva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>It might have been a parser hack. I don't care. As I said, I *prefer* explicit
>>>markup. I'm sorry you don't, but I think making a personal preference like
>>>that the basis of an argument against SGML is a little unreasonable.
>
>>SGML is inefficient from a composition standpoint. Personal preference
>>has nothing to do with it.
>
>Inefficient compared to what? Other markup languages? I think you'll find that
>personal preference. Having to type :g/^$/s/$/<para>/ after you've been typing
>freeform text a while is hardly a big deal.
The problem that I see with SGML (that is equally true for XML) is that
it introduces two additional languages (e.g. - the DTD and the
application-specific markup language) without diminishing the need to
understand at least two others, namely:
a) Whatever is being used to interpret the parsed document, and render
it into...
b) The output format.
With Jade, this involves:
a) The DTD,
b) The language described by the DTD,
c) DSSSL,
d) {HTML|TeX|nroff|Postscript|...}
With a parser other than Jade, DSSSL might get replaced by XSL, C, Perl,
or Python, just to name a *few* of the possibilities.
In any case, the four "levels" of document-eating require four *very*
independent sets of syntax that all need to be understood in order to do
troubleshooting.
This perhaps shouldn't "bite" the user, but that's only if there are no
challenges to solve.
For instance, supposing you need to change the page size, is this
handled in:
a) The document?
b) The DTD?
c) The rendering language? or
d) The destination format?
Potentially, this can influence *all* of the levels. Adding control of
page size (e.g. - US Letter versus European A4) may require rework at
*ALL* of these levels, meaning that you need to be literate in four
different kinds of language syntax, as
(and (eq? (syntax 'document-markup) (syntax 'dtd-markup))
(eq? (syntax 'dtd-markup) (syntax 'rendering-language)
(eq? (syntax 'rendering-language) (syntax 'output-language)))
is false.
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Babbage's Rule: "No man's cipher is worth looking at unless the inventor
has himself solved a very difficult cipher" (The Codebreakers by Kahn,
2nd ed, pg 765)
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From: "Arkadiusz Goralski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Qpopper and passwords
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 01:14:25 GMT
Hi
I've searched the dejanews, but I didn't find any solutions to my problem.
The problem is that qpopper says that the password is incorrect. I'm using
Suse Linux 6.0. I've compiled qpopper with --enable-specialauth option, but
It didn't help.
When I copy the shadow file into passwd, then when I telnet into qpopper
then it says that the temporary drop file is not owned by the user.
Thanks in advance
Arkadiusz Goralski
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From: Michel Catudal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Soundblaster Live, 2.2.5 kernel error
Date: 28 Jun 1999 20:30:12 -0500
":)" wrote:
>
>
> There's a commercial sound driver available called Alsa or something like
> that.
> I believe it costs $10.US. And I believe SuSE Linux 6.1 included it in the
> distribution.
> It's said to supports many sound cards that're not supported in the kernel.
>
It is not Also which is free but OSS Sound and it cost $20 for
their driver. On the other hand the driver from OSS Sound doesn't
officially support that card. I tried it, it identify it but
it gives an error.
As for Alsa, they clearly say that they have no intention of
supporting it and advice againt buying that junk.
I gave up for now in setting up the sound on my friend's computer.
> Or check out the suse.com
>
The free OSS driver that comes with SuSE doesn't support PCI cards.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stewart Honsberger)
Subject: Re: This is my favorite Linux site (it has everything)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 01:27:50 GMT
On 28 Jun 1999 21:17:23 GMT, Brad Smith wrote:
>This is my favorite Linux site (it has everything) Http:\\***.**.**.***
>check it out as soon as you can. Lots of downloads.
"Http" should be all lower case (those pesky RFC's..), the "\\" should be
"//", and why didn't you post their domain name instead of their IP address?
I see a lot of references to JDEdwardsR Software, but strangely no references
to Linux.
I also see a horribly mal-formatted main page at the aforementioned URL,
chock full of syntax errors causing me to have to manually enter the
redirect URL.
Y'know, if you're being paid to advertise their site - you should set up
some sort of referral system. Otherwise, quit SPAMming the newsgroups with
your bullshit.
--
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