Linux-Misc Digest #853, Volume #20 Tue, 29 Jun 99 23:13:09 EDT
Contents:
Identd? Anyone? Help! (Tarkaan)
Re: Suse 6.0 or Redhat 6.0 (Michel Catudal)
Re: Suse 6.0 or Redhat 6.0 (Michel Catudal)
Re: NT the best web platform? (Craig Kelley)
Redhat 6.0 lpr printing simplex (Douglas Ritschel)
Re: Documentation issues. (Christopher B. Browne)
Re: Linux loses in NT tests (Johan Kullstam)
Re: Transferring /home from another disk??? (Thomas Zajic)
Re: Getting Ftape to work with a Ditto 2GB Parallel Port Tape Drive (Larry Barlow)
FWD:Linux, open source baffles MS witness (Alex Lam)
Re: first/second/third world (Jim Richardson)
Re: Red Hat 6.0 Bugs (Dan Hewton)
Pronouncing "Linux" - your vote! ("Jeremy Henderson")
Re: Plugin for Realplayer G2! (coffee)
Modem problem :-( (Sravanthi Cheruku)
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From: Tarkaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Identd? Anyone? Help!
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 20:45:15 -0400
I need to set up identd... I have no clue where to start. I have
obtained the required rpm (pidentd-2.8a4-1_i386), but I have absolutely
no clue how to modify the system. Can someone please tell me how?
-- Jack Tarkaan Kalamazoo, Michigan
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From: Michel Catudal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Suse 6.0 or Redhat 6.0
Date: 29 Jun 1999 19:34:05 -0500
Adrian Hands wrote:
>
> Well, I think SuSE 6.1 is a 2.0 kernel and RedHat 6.0 is a 2.2 kernel.
>
No. According to the book perhaps but as you install it is the
opposite to what is described in the book. I bought the version
that is sold at CompUSA and it came with kernel 2.2.7, not 2.2.5
as suggested on the box.
> I JUST NOW installed SuSE 6.1 on my wife's Thinkpad.
> First experience with SuSE and first experience with TPad.
> I was a bit apprehensive because I've heard TPs can be troublesome,
> but I'm happy to report installed without a hitch.
> X, KDE etc...no problem.
> I just took *wild* *guesses* at the video card and monitor settings and
> it seems to have worked fine.
>
> Looks like you want at least 600MB disk space.
>
> Actually, I ran into these two things:
> I wasn't paying attention durring the questions about LILO and somehow
> ended up with no LILO after I'd completed the install. I had to re-boot
> off the CD-ROM, choose the "boot installed system" option and then setup
> LILO. Unfortunately, /etc/lilo.conf didn't even exist so I had to go
> over to my RedHat6.0 system to see what it should look like.
>
Yast could have been a good way to get your system up and running.
You can boot to your partition with the CD.
> Also, at first no X.
> No /etc/XF86Config, no ln -s X.
> I ran XF86Setup a couple of times and got it going.
> Chose SVGA and the highest spec'ed generic monitor setting.
> Since I'm running with the LCD display, there's no risk of frying it.
>
sax would have been a better choice as it includes more drivers.
> Anyway, I'm pleased with the install. Relatively painless and didn't
> seem to take long at all.
>
> My other system is a Compaq Presario running RedHat 6.0. Compaqs also
> have a reputation for not being Linux-friendly but I've only had one
> problem and it wasn't a big deal - back in the RedHat 4.0 days (2.0.27
> kernel was it?), Linux wouldn't recognize PCI cards on the Compaq bus
> when booted from LILO. I had the system a long time before I even
> noticed there was a problem because all my cards were ISA. When I added
> a PCI SCSI to controll an Iomega Jaz drive I found I had to use
> LOADLIN.EXE to boot instead of LILO because of the PCI problem. Anyway,
> by the time RH5.1 came along, that was fixed, so I use LILO now, just
> like God intended!
>
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From: Michel Catudal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Suse 6.0 or Redhat 6.0
Date: 29 Jun 1999 19:39:01 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Michel Catudal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> did eloquently scribble:
> = whoever wrote that must have been drunk.
>
> Or German with English as a second language, perhaps?
>
The last part must have been a typo.
2-Do you wish to make the "you want to put the" partition
active (logical)
The quoted section should have been deleted. The message was
on its way when I noticed it and the line went dead. I was no
longer able to get back on the net to change the message.
It does look weird ...
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Crossposted-To: comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: NT the best web platform?
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 29 Jun 1999 16:26:52 -0600
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jason O'Rourke) writes:
> >Oh lordie. The HP Kayak is one of the absolute *worst* PCs ever
> >built. I wouldn't even install DOS on that puppy.
> >
> >The Vectra line is only a couple hundred more, and it *really* shows.
>
> At the time I got it 9 months ago, I believe it was several hundred *more*
> than the Vectras. And that still looks true today, looking at Hp's prices
> on their web page. I'd have rather gone vanilla myself, but the company
> had a single vendor policy, so that was it. In either case, the kayaks
> are a line sold to businesses and should do just fine for something like
> NT. It certainly has the 'certification' to run it. Freebsd
> supports no where near as much hardware and it hasn't complained in 9
> months. No panics, BSODs, nothing.
>
> So you'll excuse me if I blame the OS rather than the hardware.
Hmm, we bought ours about a year ago and they (purchasing)
specifically ordered the Kayak XA instead of the Vectra because it was
cheaper. Perhaps they have changed the line since then (this was when
the Kayak was brand-new), but our Kayak is the junkiest PC I have ever
seen. Everything is soldered onto the motherboard with the exception
of the incompatible-with-everything ISA sound card. They keyboard has
a ton of extra buttons which require custom NT devices, which
subsequently break the machine.
All in the name of having a 'www' button and being able to change your
volume via the keyboard.
The stupid box disintegrates NT all the time. I have installed NT on
a number of occasions and it almost always lasts forever; but on that
one box we've had to nuke it several times. The system icons will
flake out after a week or two, and then it's just downhill from
there.
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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From: Douglas Ritschel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Redhat 6.0 lpr printing simplex
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 18:10:10 -0400
Is there a way to print simplex from Redhat 6.0. The lpr command does
not seem to have that option.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher B. Browne)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.unix.bsd.misc,comp.text.sgml,comp.text.xml
Subject: Re: Documentation issues.
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 00:50:47 GMT
On 29 Jun 1999 17:30:48 GMT, Peter da Silva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted:
>In article <cmVd3.97284$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>Christopher Browne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>a) Whatever is being used to interpret the parsed document, and render
>>it into...
>>b) The output format.
>
>If the end-user needs to understand either of these languages then whatever
>you're using to interpret it is utterly broken.
If I typo an attribute, that can hit every single member of the tool
chain.
The point is that in a complex system, and a system with four distinct
languages involved is undoubtedly that, the results can get rather
snarled up.
>>For instance, supposing you need to change the page size, is this
>>handled in:
>>a) The document?
>
>Only with layout markup, and of course you really want to be using semantic
>markup.
>
>IMO you should specify this in the arguments/settings/properties to one
>of the programs in the toolchain.
Supposing I want to change the document to have a "two column" form,
much as is supported by the LaTeX "twocolumn" subclass, this winds up
hitting each layer in a different way.
Augmenting the document management scheme to handle this requires:
a) Adding the attribute to the DTD,
b) Specifying the attribute in the SGML/XML,
c) Providing DSSSL code that turns that attribute into the TeX/LaTeX
"twocolumn" subclass, and
d) Well, LaTeX supports this, so we didn't have to do anything new with
LaTeX.
That's pretty obtrusive to the overall tool chain; it hits every
component.
--
Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
-- Henry Spencer <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
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Subject: Re: Linux loses in NT tests
From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 29 Jun 1999 19:18:41 -0400
Silviu Minut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > I might do a step by step installation record with RH, SuSE and
> > FreeBSD with my new box (I don't have the box yet, just ordered it,
> > it's a dual cpu, U2WSCSI box) if I have the time, and put out the
> > result somewhere.
> >
> > I'll download whatever is the latest from RH when my box comes.
> >
> > Alex Lam.
> Don't download. Do yourself a favor and buy a $2 cd from cheapbytes
> or lsl or some other linux site. It will save you time and you'll
> have more chances to get it to install.
that depends. i am lucky enough to have a reasonably fast link to a
redhat mirror and two computers networked together. simply
suck down the distribution directory tree (i used ncftp get -R for this task).
put it on machine 1.
be running an ftp daemon on machine 1 too.
burn the network floppy image.
boot up machine 2 with the floppy you just made.
choose ftp install.
follow steps...
when you are done, slurp the distribution onto machine 2 and repeat
for machine 1.
--
J o h a n K u l l s t a m
[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Don't Fear the Penguin!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Zajic)
Subject: Re: Transferring /home from another disk???
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 01:22:11 GMT
On Tue, 29 Jun 1999 19:35:49 GMT, Robert Heller wrote:
> [ ... ]
> I am not sure if GNU cp handles permissions 'properly' either.
> [ ... ]
[zlatko@sphere]:~$ cp --version
GNU fileutils 3.12
[zlatko@sphere]:~$
Obviously it does. As I said, I already moved my _whole_system_
around a few times using 'cp -ax', which of course included all
special files in /dev and all symlinks scattered all over the
place, without any problem.
Oh well, maybe I was just lucky ... :-)
Thomas
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From: Larry Barlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Getting Ftape to work with a Ditto 2GB Parallel Port Tape Drive
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.hardware
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 21:04:16 -0500
I had one working on RH 5.1. RH 6.0 has a broken bpck module and have had no
luck recompiling the ftape modules.
On Sun, 27 Jun 1999, Melvin Branch wrote:
>If you ever get an answer please e-mail me. I've been trying to get mine
>working for over 6 months. I even tried redhat support they told me, join a
>newsgroup or follow the "HOW TO" documents. Needless to say these alternates
>have been utterly useless. Hope you have better luck then I did.
>
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris O'Neill) wrote:
>>Okay, I give up....... What's the secret???? I've been mucking for
>>two days trying to get my Ditto 2GB parallel port tape drive (LPT1) to
>>work with RedHat Linux 6.0 but haven't had any success. I've tried
>>recompiling the kernel, setting-up boot-time parameters in lilo, and
>>all sorts of other gunk. (Sigh!) And, yes, I *have* read the
>>Ftape-HOWTO and other documents, but I find them somewhat cryptic.
>>(Sigh!)
>>
>>Can someone out there who's using this drive with Linux puhleeeze send
>>me an e-mail walking me through the steps to get it going???? (Sigh!)
>>
>>Thanks, in advance, for any assistance anyone can offer.
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>Chris O'Neill
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From: Alex Lam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: FWD:Linux, open source baffles MS witness
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 18:38:42 -0700
================fwd===============
Posted 29/06/99 9:13am by Graham Lea
Linux, open source baffles MS witness
Dean Richard Schmalensee claimed that the threat of Linux (to
Microsoft)
after the AOL-Netscape merger had increased, but did not explain how
this could be.
Schmalensee admitted he had found it "frankly hard to keep up with
all the
developments in Linux", and was puzzled that "serious corporations
are
spending serious money on Linux" investments. He disagreed with the
DoJ economist
witness Franklin Fisher who had said in January that "the notion that
operating
systems such as Linux... [is] really going to succeed in taking away
much, if any, of
the business from Microsoft Windows, is a joke.
Schmalensee contradicted himself about Linux: "One of the
interesting
issues with Linux has always been ease of use, and that issue is being
increasingly
addressed in two ways: first, by vendors shipping - OEMs shipping
Linux pre-installed,
which deals in part - which deals with Linux's traditional difficulty
of
installation; and second, with the development of a couple of
graphical user interfaces that makes Linux more attractive on the
consumer side." Later, Schmalensee controverted his "ease of use"
comment about Linux and claimed it was "difficult to use". It seemed
unlikely that he had used it, and for him to be put forward as an
expert was ridiculous.
Schmalensee said he had studied the open-source movement "a bit" in
preparation for his testimony and found it "a fascinating phenomenon
... quite
extraordinary" but to an economist "it is a little bit surprising that
this works, frankly, but it does seem to work". He clearly could not
understand why it worked, especially without capital investment. It
posed long-term competitive constraints on Microsoft, he thought.
Schmalensee's problem of course was that economics was the wrong
discipline to bring to bear: sociology and psychology were far more
relevant.
Although some OEMs were offering Linux machines, "for a large OEM
making a
choice, choosing a single system, I believe Windows, at present, is
the
only viable alternative." This was an unwise statement for Microsoft's
witness to
have made, as it was only one step from saying that Microsoft had a
monopoly.
Schmalensee had no idea whatsoever about how many PCs were loaded
with
Linux, but he was happy to characterise Linux as a major threat to
Microsoft. �
source: http://theregister.co.uk/990629-000004.html
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: first/second/third world
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 09:03:56 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 28 Jun 1999 06:28:25 GMT,
Richard Kulisz, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
brought forth the following words...:
>In article <7l5rga$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>John S. Dyson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>You sound like the most intolerant right-winger by your gross
>>generalizations of a few crazies to the entire right-wing community.
>
>You have your choice of evil or stupidity, but that the right supports
>militarism, exploitation (in the name of freedom to contract, of course),
>might makes right, and a whole slew of morally and ethically abhorrent
>beliefs is objective fact.
>
Hardly objective fact, you name a nebulous group ("the right") and apply
to them the same kind of propaganda used by the Inquisition against
Jews and Pagans...
>As for my own intolerance of intolerance, I just don't give a shit.
>
>>However, I have also noted you opinions (if you aren't just trolling
>>with absurdity) are indeed an embodiment of the most gross and
>>heinous left wing propaganda that I have ever heard. That doesn't
>
>Oh, so the fact that billionaire families who have inherited their
>wealth own or control virtually everything in America is "propaganda".
>The fact that owners, advertisers and editors work together to shift
>the mass media to the right is "propaganda". The fact that US foreign
>policy looks like it was made by Genghis Khan is "propaganda". Thank
>you for straightening that out for me.
>
hey, you're finally getting it. Glad to see the light beginning to dawn.
>>mean that you are necessarily crazy, but I suspect that someone
>>has gotten you at a young age and taken advantage of you by
>>applying special educational techniques on you.
>
><snicker> Next you'll blame my "godlessness" on brainwashing by
>atheist commandos. I've always been surrounded by right-wingers
>and I've always felt their position was deeply wrong. An accident
>of genetics; right along with introspection and high intelligence.
>Some people are born socialists, just like some people are born
>Albert Einstein.
"Some people are born Albert Einstein"?
--
Jim Richardson
Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
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From: Dan Hewton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat,linux.redhat.misc,linux.redhat.rpm
Subject: Re: Red Hat 6.0 Bugs
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 22:27:22 -0400
Frank v Waveren wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "Moez Tharani Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > OOPS. That URL doesn't work. Ok, go to http://www.redhat.com/support/ and click
>on "Search" and do a search for
> > "netscape crash". The first result will be what you are looking for. Sorry about
>that guys, should check URL's
> > before postin' them. =)
>
> Sorry to burst your bubble, but the url DOES in fact work....
>
> BTW, could we please keep this discussion in the appropriate groupes, ie not in
>devel and announce?
> --
>
> Frank v Waveren
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> ICQ# 10074100
I have a solution.. I was getting Netscape crashes like mad when ever a java app would
try to load. Solution (you're
not going to like it) Re-install RH with EVERYTHING. Now I know this is not the fix.
But when I recently
reformatted and re-installed, I decided to go for "The Works". Absolutely EVERYTHING
on the installation cd.
I believe that there is a java library file that must be missing that is causing the
problem. I would call Red Hat
and give them my solution.
Clearly my solution is insane, but at least you know the fix exists within Red Hat
itself. Please let me know what
the specific file is that is missing when you find out.
Thanks.
Dan Hewton
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From: "Jeremy Henderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Pronouncing "Linux" - your vote!
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 10:02:44 +0800
So much for ending the confusion!
Last week I posted a "REALLY dumb question" asking how I should pronounce
Linux.
Th one thing which is clear is that it wasn't a dumb question, as no-one
agrees! (Is this because most of the discussion is via keyboards, rather
than orally??)
In response to the post, there appear to be at least six possibilities:
1 LEN-UKS
2. LINN-UCKS
3. LIE-NUCKS
4. LEE-NOOKS
5. LEE-NUCKS
6. LIN-ICKS
I know that Linux users are all in favour of alternative approaches, but I
am interested in the diversity of opinion on such a simple issue!
Would you like to record your vote on which number you use!
Cheers
--
Jeremy Henderson
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ph: 08 92276698 Fax: 08 9227 8665
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From: coffee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Plugin for Realplayer G2!
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 21:29:50 -0400
coffee wrote:
>
Well, I do believe my actual problem [no sound in realplayer] actually
stems from the /dev/dsp being locked by esd.
What leads me to this is that in deciding to try xanim I got an error
message saying "can not open /dev/dsp device". Therefore, I checked what
process was using the device [fuser -v /dev/dsp] and esd was the only
one listed on it.
The basic problem is that any program utilizing the sound system will
not playsound but Gnome sound operates fine. sndconf does setup the
sound card [sb64awe gold] and its operation is fine.
Therefore, I assume that Ive got to shutdown esd? Not sure how this is
done.
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From: Sravanthi Cheruku <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Modem problem :-(
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 21:30:04 -0500
Could someone help me setup my modem in Linux? I have an AOpen_FM56PVS-T
internal ISA modem. The modems list says this should work. I tried doing
isapnp and it says modem is setup OK. I set the port to 0x3E8 and IRQ 5
in my isapnp.conf file. However I can't get it to work using
kppp/kermit/minicom. Please help. Thanks.
Cheruku
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