Linux-Misc Digest #972, Volume #20 Thu, 8 Jul 99 22:13:11 EDT
Contents:
Re: G'bye, comp.os.linux.* (Ken McCord)
Re: crontab, specify last day of month? ("R.K.Aa")
Re: LOCAL: New LUG in Roswell Georga USA (Rick Ford)
Re: Could Microsoft Cheat On The New Mindcraft Benchmark? (Jason O'Rourke)
Re: Init Question (Steven Howe)
Re: Could Microsoft Cheat On The New Mindcraft Benchmark? (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: Problems with ATI Mach64 on RH 6.0 (Brad Felmey)
Re: Pronouncing "Linux" - your vote! (Christopher Browne)
Re: Help for MODEM - Why can't Linux to be built with supprot for (Bob Martin)
Re: Help for MODEM - Why can't Linux to be built with supprot for Winmodem?
(Christopher Browne)
Re: Q: where to get base linux source (Bob Martin)
Re: Could Microsoft Cheat On The New Mindcraft Benchmark? (Jason O'Rourke)
Re: compiling gap on a linux machine (Ulrich Drepper)
Re: Where To Find Non-X Based Linux Apps? (Bob Martin)
Re: Could Microsoft Cheat On The New Mindcraft Benchmark? (Christopher Browne)
Re: Problems with ATI Mach64 on RH 6.0 ("Donald E. Stidwell")
Re: Init Question (Joshua Grauman)
Re: Need opinions- how's S.u.S.E. 6.1 (M. Buchenrieder)
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From: Ken McCord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: G'bye, comp.os.linux.*
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 20:58:00 -0400
Nahh. Stop by the Jughandle for some wings. I'd rather go to White
House in Atlantic City for cheesesteaks.
Ken
"William B. Cattell" wrote:
>
> "D.J. Birchall" wrote:
> >
> > Well folks, it looks like I won't be being my usual helpful self
> > here in comp.os.linux.* anymore - or at least not from this address.
> > As my boss put it in a lengthy memo to me this morning:
> >
> > When I review your time sheets I find it distressing to see you
> > spending hours of time a day with "Mail and News"...
> >
> > I'm also not allowed to use my Linux laptop for work any more.
> > So, in the interest of spending more time doing the things that he
> > wants me to do (i.e. generating money), I'm going to have to stop
> > doing the things I like to do (i.e. being helpful to Linux folks on
> > Usenet and thus generating goodwill for the company). I hope
> > everyone won't take this the wrong way, and will continue to think
> > of DigitalFM as a place where helpful people work. Maybe some
> > folks who'd like to do business with helpful people will even
> > remember us when the time comes. :)
> >
> > But for now, I'm dropping off Usenet from this address, and will
> > be posting from my personal (home) address instead.
> >
> > -Dan
> >
> > --
> > _.-.-o-.-._ From the Linux laptop of D. Birchall, V.P. of Technology
> > _\-\/:\/-/_ Digital Facilities Management, 132 Kings Hwy E Suite A-1
> > ,\/~:~\/. Haddonfield, NJ - 856.4294777 - http://www.digitalfm.com
> > ~ '~-:-~` ~ We Work the Web - Design, Hosting, Extranets, E-Commerce
>
> Sorry to see you go Dan. Since you're gonna have some extra
> time on your hands how about going up to Big John's on Rt 70
> in Cherry Hill and picking up a few cheesesteaks for me - I
> need some Jersey soulfood.
>
> Bill
> (formerly of Cherry Hill/Collingswood)
> --
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> http://members.home.com/wcattell
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> Park not thy Harley in the darkness of thine garage, that it
> may collect dust for want of being oft ridden. Ride thy
> Harley
> with thy brethren, and rejoice in the spirit of the road.
> --------------------------------------------------------------
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From: "R.K.Aa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: crontab, specify last day of month?
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 01:39:54 +0200
Paul Smicker wrote:
>
> Hi All--
>
> Is there a way to specify the last day of the month in a crontab file?
> Some have 30, some have 31, etc., and I'd like to have a particular
> script (www log rotater) run on whichever the last day happens to be
> that month. Thanks in advance...
Hmm if it's that important to catch it all, why not run it at
00:00 on the first of every month? :P
K.
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From: Rick Ford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: LOCAL: New LUG in Roswell Georga USA
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 01:02:20 +0000
Lorance Stinson wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>
> I am in the process of creating a new LUG. It will be centered in Roswell
> Georgia USA. I accept anyone with even a slightly open mind that has any
> interest in Linux.
>
Where abouts in Roswell will the group meet? I'm west of you near Towncenter
Mall, but I'm willing to make the drive versus going to GA Tech for meetings.
Let me know.
Rick
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jason O'Rourke)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.networking,omp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix
Subject: Re: Could Microsoft Cheat On The New Mindcraft Benchmark?
Date: 8 Jul 1999 18:06:54 -0700
Robin Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Harber = Harbour
HARBOR!
--
Jason O'Rourke [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.jor.com
'96 BMW r850R
last dive: June 13th, Pescadero Wash Rocks (Carmel), 46 mins at 64ft max
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From: Steven Howe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Init Question
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 23:21:46 +0000
You have correctly interprated the functionality of rc scripts in and
init modes.
I would look at two possible problems.
1) is the script permissions 755? the (2+5)55 mode is needed
to make it executable.
2) is the link good? go to the directory /etc/rc.d/rc1.d and
run the script. example:
/etc/rc.d/rc1.d/S12myscript start
Another option is to place the script in the /etc/inittab under
a runmode of one. Example
my1:1:once:/home/mydir/myscript.sh
(each line has a unique name):runmode(s):(how often,{once,
respawn,wait,boot,bootwait...):program
The man page on inittab is well written (for a Unix Administrator that
is).
A point. Run mode 1, is almost always a maintanence mode.
You should have as little running during this mode as possible,
so as to have a 'stable' environment. Are your sure you want
to have another process running in runmode 1?
Steven Howe
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Joshua Grauman wrote:
> If there is a better place to ask this please let me know...
>
> I tried to get init to start another process when entering
> single user mode, so I added a symbolic link in
> /etc/rc.d/rc1.d to a simple shell script which I want run
> only when entering single user mode, but for some reason
> when I enter single user mode ie "telinit 1", it doesn't run the
> script. I looked at the inittab and /etc/rc and from what I
> could figure out, when changing runlevels to 1, rc is run with
> a command line parameter of 1 which should run all the scripts
> in rc1.d that start with an 'S' with a command line parameter
> of "start" and it should call all the scripts that start with a 'K'
> with a command line parameter of "stop". It should also call
> all the scripts in order which is why they were labeled
> S10process1, S20process2, etc. Could someone please tell
> me why my script isn't running and if my understanding of
> init is incorrect. Thanks. BTW I am running RedHat 6.0.
> Please also reply to my email.
>
> Joshua Grauman
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.networking,omp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix
Subject: Re: Could Microsoft Cheat On The New Mindcraft Benchmark?
Date: 8 Jul 1999 21:15:15 -0400
On 8 Jul 1999 16:28:22 GMT, Fredrich P. Maney wrote:
>In comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix Jon Skeet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Well considering that outside of Japan, to my knowledge the US and
>Canada are the only places where Baseball is played. The governing
Also played in Australia, though cricket has the lions share of popularity.
I think ( but aren't sure ... have to ask my g/f ) that they play baseball
in parts of China.
--
Donovan
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brad Felmey)
Subject: Re: Problems with ATI Mach64 on RH 6.0
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 00:56:21 GMT
On Thu, 8 Jul 1999 18:01:54 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
posted:
>Okay...
>
>I've been using SuSE for a while now, & X works just fine, both with the
>supplied 2.0.36 & my home-brewed 2.2.1.
>
>However, when I recently tried Redhat, I found that although X seems to
>work OK when Xconfigurator runs at the end of the install process, once it
>reboots to the stock kernel (2.2.9), X has these wierd blurred sections in
>regular vertical stripes, which I haven't been able to get rid of. Yet.
>
>Does anybody know what this could be? A conflict with a running service,
>like gpm? Something to do with SVGAText mode?
>
>FWIW I don't run SVGAText under SuSE, & even when I had the the 2.2.1 kernel
>under SuSE, I never did have the little penguin bootup logo.
>
>Oh yeah...
>
>Hardware: ATI Rage Pro II+
> 2MB Video Ram
> Gateway own-brand monitor (EV500) HSync: 30-69 Khz
> VSync: 50-110 Khz
> Microsoft Intellimouse PS/2
> Pentium 200 MMX
> 32MB Ram
>
>Usual setup: 1204 x 768 @ 16bit colour
You're not alone in this boat. My AGP Rage IIc 8MB does *horrid*
things under RH6 X. I've pulled the current X and Mach64 server from
Redhat's mirrors, but still terrible/borderline unusable. Time for a
Matrox, I guess.
--
Brad Felmey
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: Pronouncing "Linux" - your vote!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 00:59:13 GMT
On 8 Jul 1999 13:19:15 -0700, Tom Christiansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>In comp.os.linux.misc, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ('Wulff) writes:
>:I gotta ask......Where does everyone get this "aboot" stuff from?
>:I've been a Canucklehead for 30+ years and the only time i've heard
>:anything remotely close to the pronunciation is from a Newfie
>:(Newfoundland)
>
>This is the inherent flaw of writing out your spellings using your
>local pronciations. It simply doesn't travel well. Please don't do it.
>
>As I said before, what's happening is that Canadians[1] seem to say
>[@'b&Ut] where most Americans[2] would say [@'bAUt].
The difference is certainly most pronounced (which provides a
substantially different meaning than the other sense :-)) when looking
at those living "on the Rock."
There is nonetheless a tendancy for those from as far west as Ontario
to have a subtle bit of "oo" in words similar to "about." It's not
drastic; here in Texas, people are just able to notice it.
--
Rules of the Evil Warlord #32. "No matter how attractive certain
members of the rebellion are, there is probably someone just as
attractive who is not desperate to kill me. Therefore, I will think
twice before ordering a prisoner sent to my bedchamber."
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/canada.html>
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From: Bob Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Help for MODEM - Why can't Linux to be built with supprot for
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 01:16:01 +0000
Hotdog wrote:
>
> After seeing all those posts regarding winmodems' disqualification.
> Why can't Linux be built with support for Windmodem.
>
> --
Well it has nothing to do with with linux, afterall a DEC alpha
workstation has PCI slots, if people are dumb enough to stick a PCI
winmodem in and then blame OpenVMS because the modem doesn't work, well
what can you say. someone would have to write a software driver for the
thing which would run under linux. The winmodem makers would have
release the specs for it or someone would have to reverse engineer it. I
suppose no one has thought it worth the time
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: Help for MODEM - Why can't Linux to be built with supprot for Winmodem?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 01:00:14 GMT
On Thu, 08 Jul 1999 18:59:11 GMT, Hotdog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>After seeing all those posts regarding winmodems' disqualification.
>Why can't Linux be built with support for Windmodem.
Ninety-nine times out of one hundred, the people whining about the
lack of support for WinModems just aren't willing to go and write the
drivers.
Nobody is stopping you from doing it.
Feel free to find documentation and write drivers.
--
Rules of the Evil Warlord #32. "No matter how attractive certain
members of the rebellion are, there is probably someone just as
attractive who is not desperate to kill me. Therefore, I will think
twice before ordering a prisoner sent to my bedchamber."
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/hardware.html>
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From: Bob Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Q: where to get base linux source
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 01:06:05 +0000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> This is going to be an really oddball question, but I want to know where
> a good place to find a "base" linux source code. What I would like to do
> is get my group together and come up with, what I would like to call, a
> "mini" distribution.
>
> When I say base, I mean the basic Linux filesystem requirements, Kernel
> (I know where to get that), /sbin, /bin, /lib, /usr, /etc, etc. (Not
> asking *too* much huh ;-) ).
>
No, not at all. When the linux kernel first appeared on the scene there
weren't any distributions, so you had to go find what you wanted ,
install the source and compile it.
You can find sources for most things a linux repository site like
sunsite or tsx-11
Other than distros, most things you get will be sources. they assume
most people don't need/want sources. For things like the libs or
compiler it is best to get a binary unless you got a lot of
cpu/time/space to compile it.
> I realize that this is vague, and I really know that a Linux
> installation contains many packages that are used for different things
> and one would need to know what one is going to do, but just a minimum
> filesystem for now. No Xwindows for example.
>
> Would, because of GPL/Copyleft, I be able use the source code from an
> existing distribution (most of the bugs worked out) such as the RedHat I
> have? Or would I be restricted to source NOT the distributor's code?
>
The code, in general , is the same from one distro to the other for most
applications so it doesn't belong to RH unless it is something
specifically developed and copyrighted. What you can do with specific
vendor code will depend on the vendor.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jason O'Rourke)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.networking,omp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix
Subject: Re: Could Microsoft Cheat On The New Mindcraft Benchmark?
Date: 8 Jul 1999 18:08:32 -0700
I R A Aggie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>What part of 9.2 million >> 300,000 are you having difficulty
>understanding? Your statement doesn't stand up to scrutiny very
>well.
Which part of combat+civilian casualties was so hard for you to figure
out.
That said, one source suggests that combat + civilian deaths in England
was closer to 400k.
--
Jason O'Rourke [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.jor.com
'96 BMW r850R
last dive: June 13th, Pescadero Wash Rocks (Carmel), 46 mins at 64ft max
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From: Ulrich Drepper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: sci.math.symbolic
Subject: Re: compiling gap on a linux machine
Date: 08 Jul 1999 17:53:43 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ulrich Drepper)
Dima Pasechnik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> This is a library problem, as newer linux'ies use libc6 (also
> known as glibc).
It is not a library problem, it a bug in the program. If prototypes
for functions are available from system headers the program must not
provide own ones. In this case it's even worse: the program provides
a wrong one.
--
===============. drepper at gnu.org ,=. 1325 Chesapeake Terrace
Ulrich Drepper \ ,-------------------' \ Sunnyvale, CA 94089 USA
Cygnus Solutions `--' drepper at cygnus.com `------------------------
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From: Bob Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Where To Find Non-X Based Linux Apps?
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 01:18:12 +0000
"Brett R. Rosselle" wrote:
>
> Does anybody know of a good site that has an abundance of Linux apps that
> are not X based? I am running Slackware 4.0 on some machines without X (disk
> space & video limitations).
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Brett
>
Try www.linuxberg.com , they a console section and an X section for
apps.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.networking,omp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix
Subject: Re: Could Microsoft Cheat On The New Mindcraft Benchmark?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 00:59:48 GMT
On 8 Jul 1999 16:28:22 GMT, Fredrich P. Maney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix Jon Skeet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>[deletia]
>
>: What does where it was invented have to do with anything? It's still
>: incredibly silly to call a competition in one country a World Series. I
>: really don't see what its invention has to do with anything...
>
>Well considering that outside of Japan, to my knowledge the US and
>Canada are the only places where Baseball is played. The governing
>bodies of Baseball are in the US, most of the players/teams/fans
>are in the US. Seems to make perfect sense to me that the World
>Series (the pinnacle of baseball) would be played in the US.
Yet another example of Not Remembering History.
The World Series is not called the World Series because of any
international standing, but rather because of the name of the original
*sponsor* of the World Series.
Of course, most of the people who would remember that from having been
present at early instances of the "World Series" are likely to be dead
now, which makes it fair game for historical revisionism...
--
REALITY is a policy phased out early in the Eisenhower administration.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
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From: "Donald E. Stidwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Problems with ATI Mach64 on RH 6.0
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 01:31:33 GMT
Brad Felmey wrote:
> You're not alone in this boat. My AGP Rage IIc 8MB does *horrid*
> things under RH6 X. I've pulled the current X and Mach64 server from
> Redhat's mirrors, but still terrible/borderline unusable. Time for a
> Matrox, I guess.
> --
> Brad Felmey
I use a Rage IIc 4MB and had a devil of a time getting it to look right with
Xconfigurator. The solution for me was to use XF86Setup and select a lower
resolution monitor. Now I've got a very readable and stable 1024x768 at 16-bit
colour. This problem with the Rage IIc is exhibited in all the distro's I've
used and the solution is always the same: use XF86Setup instead of Xconfigurator
or SAX or whatever and choose a lower resolution monitor.
Don
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From: Joshua Grauman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Init Question
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 18:11:51 -0700
The script permissions are 755, and the link works, this is
why I was confounded!?
Adding the script to the inittab works fine though. I'd still like
to know why putting the link to the script in rc1.d doesn't work
though... Thanks for the help.
Joshua Grauman
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Steven Howe wrote:
> You have correctly interprated the functionality of rc scripts in and
> init modes.
> I would look at two possible problems.
> 1) is the script permissions 755? the (2+5)55 mode is needed
> to make it executable.
> 2) is the link good? go to the directory /etc/rc.d/rc1.d and
> run the script. example:
> /etc/rc.d/rc1.d/S12myscript start
>
> Another option is to place the script in the /etc/inittab under
> a runmode of one. Example
> my1:1:once:/home/mydir/myscript.sh
> (each line has a unique name):runmode(s):(how often,{once,
> respawn,wait,boot,bootwait...):program
>
> The man page on inittab is well written (for a Unix Administrator that
> is).
>
> A point. Run mode 1, is almost always a maintanence mode.
> You should have as little running during this mode as possible,
> so as to have a 'stable' environment. Are your sure you want
> to have another process running in runmode 1?
>
> Steven Howe
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Joshua Grauman wrote:
>
> > If there is a better place to ask this please let me know...
> >
> > I tried to get init to start another process when entering
> > single user mode, so I added a symbolic link in
> > /etc/rc.d/rc1.d to a simple shell script which I want run
> > only when entering single user mode, but for some reason
> > when I enter single user mode ie "telinit 1", it doesn't run the
> > script. I looked at the inittab and /etc/rc and from what I
> > could figure out, when changing runlevels to 1, rc is run with
> > a command line parameter of 1 which should run all the scripts
> > in rc1.d that start with an 'S' with a command line parameter
> > of "start" and it should call all the scripts that start with a 'K'
> > with a command line parameter of "stop". It should also call
> > all the scripts in order which is why they were labeled
> > S10process1, S20process2, etc. Could someone please tell
> > me why my script isn't running and if my understanding of
> > init is incorrect. Thanks. BTW I am running RedHat 6.0.
> > Please also reply to my email.
> >
> > Joshua Grauman
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (M. Buchenrieder)
Subject: Re: Need opinions- how's S.u.S.E. 6.1
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 21:50:33 GMT
naftali <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>I used SUSE 6.1, and I would like to mention it is one big piece of crap.
??
>first of all it is really REALLY slow.
No, it isn't. If it runs slower that your RH installation, then you do
either have some strange HW settings, an inefficient kernel or you're
running tons of unneeded daemons in background. I run it on a K6/233
64MB RAM, and it's really, really fast.
>on the same computer I managed to
>get emacs working at half the run time on Redhat 6 and 5, than I did on SUSE,
>and I am not a novice and I went through alot of distributions including slackware,
>and I must say, SUSE was the worst I've seen so far, also their installing
>procedure is highly uninformative and takes forever, on Redhat the installation
>took 40 minutes om SUSe it took 2.5 hours for the same type of installation.
[...]
Your system is misconfigured. The completre _upgrade_ from SuSE 5.3 on this
very machine took me just about one hour, and the upgrade takes much longer
than a complete reinstallation due to the need of checking dependencies,
updating and replacing obsolete libs etc. I installed it onto a client's
machine (brand new, empty disk) within 40 minutes. Full installation.
Michael
--
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