Linux-Misc Digest #21, Volume #21 Tue, 13 Jul 99 09:13:18 EDT
Contents:
bttvgrab, sound (Thomas Schwarze)
How to disable or remap ctrl-z key (suspend) ("Andre Mathlener")
Re: Umount problem at shutdown... (Volker Tanner)
Re: libc4_4.6.27-15.deb (Jonathan H N Chin)
Re: bind-8 compile on linux (F. Heitkamp)
Re: Ram optimization (gus)
Re: FWD: Intel could nip dual-Celeron move in bud (Helge Hafting)
Re: open systems?!? Re: Why does Apple not cooperate with Be? (F. Heitkamp)
Re: Umount problem at shutdown... (Floyd Davidson)
Re: suse, RH...? (Keith Phillips)
Re: Need opinions- how's S.u.S.E. 6.1 (Ampon Chumpia)
Re: computer literacy (was 'Linux viruses' or something) (DeAnn Iwan)
Re: CIA assassinations (Richard Kulisz)
missing boot.b (Seth Rothberg)
Re: automated ftp ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
I am a newbie, HELP me please! ("James Stocks")
Re: PPP CHAP/PAP - Red Hat 5.2 (Bruce Schultz)
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From: Thomas Schwarze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
de.comp.os.unix.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.hardware,de.comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: bttvgrab, sound
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 11:13:17 +0200
hi folks,
bttvgrab is a wonderful video grabbing solution, but for a replacement
of my analog videorecorder sound would be good. The problem seems that
bttvgrab read the sound from /dev/dsp, ok, but the sound from the
grabbercard is off, so the grab.wav contains quiteness. I looked around
the bttv sources and found no "ioctl(dev,AUDIO_...", which would be
necessary I believe.
Am I right? Is there any other possibility to get sound ?
(linux 2.2.7, Haupauge WinTV PCI, bttv-0.6.4, bttvgrab-0.15.4)
bye
Thomas
--
Thomas Schwarze Projektgruppe 3D, GFaI e.V.
E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.gfai.de
Phone: 0049-030-63921625 Germany 12484 Berlin
Fax: 02 Rudower Chaussee 5, Geb. 13.7
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From: "Andre Mathlener" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: How to disable or remap ctrl-z key (suspend)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 12:03:16 +0200
I am trying to get a Data General d411 working with my Linux machine. So far
everything works, except the arrow-down key, wich generates ^z (ctrl-z).
This key is used by bash to suspend the current task, so I can't use the
arrow-down key in my programs.
Does anyone know how to disable or remap the suspend key ?
I allready tried the bash command 'set +m' to disable job control. This
prevents the application to suspend, when I press arrow-down, but I still am
not able to use the arrow-down key to search the bash history.
I used the following lines in /etc/inputrc:
---
$if term=dg411
"\C-y": backward-char
"\C-x": forward-char
"\C-w": previous-history
"\C-z": next-history
"\C-?": backward-delete-char
"\C-j": accept-line
$endif
---
Andre Mathlener
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Volker Tanner)
Subject: Re: Umount problem at shutdown...
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 07:42:57 GMT
On Mon, 12 Jul 1999 14:41:26 +0200, THIERRY BUCCO
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hi,
>
>when i shutdown my computer, it write :
>
>umount /usr
>Unable to unmount /usr : device is busy.
>
>So i don't want umount /usr. How can i avoid this ?
>
>Thanks a lot.
>
When shutting down the Linux everything is unmounted automatically.
You don't have to umount anything.
The reason for your error message may be a running process in that
directory. Maybe a daemon from /usr/local/bin or /usr/local/sbin
Volker
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jonathan H N Chin)
Subject: Re: libc4_4.6.27-15.deb
Date: 13 Jul 99 10:46:15 GMT
John Girash <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>Try ftp://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/dists/bo/main/binary-i386/
> libc4_4.6.27-15.deb
Now that I know it exists, I shall. Thank you.
-jonathan
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (F. Heitkamp)
Subject: Re: bind-8 compile on linux
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 13 Jul 1999 10:56:00 GMT
Nevermind.
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12 Jul 1999 01:00:24
GMT writes:
>
>I've tried to compile bind-8 on PPC linux using glibc-2.1.1, egcs-19990629,
>and binutils-2.9.4.0.7. The compile stops with some undefined symbols
>like __memputs, __memgets etc. I ran nm in my libs directory and
>found no library with those symbols. Anybody know what's going on?
>
>Fred
>
>
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From: gus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Ram optimization
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 11:45:12 +0100
Buy more RAM ;-) Easy, cheap(ish), and very useful!
gus
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> I seek ways of saving ram under linux (any method or trick would be
> appreciated).
>
> I have a machine I use as a server for test purposes. But it has only
> 32mb of ram, which is not enough to run apache and oracle8 at a normal
> speed.
>
> thanks.
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From: Helge Hafting <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: FWD: Intel could nip dual-Celeron move in bud
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 13:07:24 +0200
Anon wrote:
>
> Why on earth would Intel care!? Selling two celerons is better than
> selling one. A person who has to go celeron for SMP more than likely
> could not afford PII/III SMP in the first place so it is not like Intel
> would be forcing them to the more expensive CPU. They would just be
> losing the sale of 1 cpu.
It is not that simple. They are afraid their buyers might find out that
while celeron isn't as good as xeon, it isn't too far behind. So
the celeron has better price/performance than xeon, and it makes sense
using, say, 5 celeron servers instead of 3 xeon servers. Cheaper
*and* better performance if it is ok to split the load over more
machines.
That's certainly fine for file servers.
Helge Hafting
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Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.unix.misc
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (F. Heitkamp)
Subject: Re: open systems?!? Re: Why does Apple not cooperate with Be?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 13 Jul 1999 11:20:51 GMT
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Odd H. Sandvik) writes:
>
>Bogus. If Apple had gone ahead with the original plan, the
>cloners would have used their own designs instead of Apple's
>inferior offerings. Problem solved. Umax, Power and Motorola
>had all designed CHRP machines inhouse that used none of
>Apple's schematics. They would have buried Apple's hw, that's
>how come Apple got scared and pulled the plug.
>
IMHO there are two reasons this happened. One (I guess the
official reason) is that without the MacOS there was no point
in making a desktop PowerPC MB. But, at one time there was Windows NT
and an OS/2 port. The only two that where actually released were
NT and, of course BeOS. So if you discount the fact there were
other OSes than MacOS that could run on PPC, that leaves you with
(two) Apple bullying the other PPC consortium members into not making
competing machines. Now there is BeOS and Linux and still no one
is making a PowerPC MB available to the masses.
Fred
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Floyd Davidson)
Subject: Re: Umount problem at shutdown...
Date: 13 Jul 1999 10:39:50 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Volker Tanner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>THIERRY BUCCO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>Hi,
>>
>>when i shutdown my computer, it write :
>>
>>umount /usr
>>Unable to unmount /usr : device is busy.
>>
>>So i don't want umount /usr. How can i avoid this ?
>>
>>Thanks a lot.
>>
>When shutting down the Linux everything is unmounted automatically.
>You don't have to umount anything.
>The reason for your error message may be a running process in that
>directory. Maybe a daemon from /usr/local/bin or /usr/local/sbin
The shutdown program is supposed to kill off all processes that
are using files in /usr, and if invoked correctly that should happen.
However, I don't recall exactly where the transition was, but at
one point moving from an older version of the kernel to a newer
version required updating the mount/umount programs... and the
most obvious difference was that the old umount program would
fail during shutdown.
Hence one possible cure would be to download the latest versions
of shutdown, killall, mount, and umount.
Floyd
--
Floyd L. Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Keith Phillips)
Subject: Re: suse, RH...?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 14 Jul 1999 11:24:29 GMT
On Mon, 12 Jul 1999 19:37:44 -0700, James D <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
spoke unto us, saying:
>My SUSe locks up on me repeatedly in Xwindows. At times it won't even
>completely boot up. there are times when it just sits idle and a bunch of
>hex datra will just show up? Anyone experience this? could it just be a
>hardware configuration thing? I thought this OS was supposed to be stable.
>The documentation is some of the worst I've ever come across.
The only problem I had installing SuSE was the sound driver, and OSS
solved that. What type of hardware are you running? Do you have
problems *only* when you start X, or is something happening on the
console as well? Does X-windows start OK, then hang, or do you
see errors while it's loading?
SuSE has been a very stable O/S for me thus far. I switched to
it from RedHat 5.1, and have no regrets.
===============================================================
| Keith Phillips User: "Um, I can't find my files..." |
| [EMAIL PROTECTED] Admin: "Files? What files?" |
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From: Ampon Chumpia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Need opinions- how's S.u.S.E. 6.1
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 21:23:41 +1000
Michel Catudal wrote:
>
<snip>
> This seems to be a Netscape bug. I have actually worst results
> under RedHat 6.0. All versions of Netscape 4.51 up get flushed
> under RedHat 6.0 certain web sites. Under SuSE Netscape crashes.
> A kill cleans up fast. On the other hand Netscape US 4.5 works
> great on either one.
>
> --
> use OS/2 for a crash proof work environment
> use Linux for safe and quick internet access
> use Winblows to test the latest viruses
> http://www.netonecom.net/~bbcat/
> We have software, food, music, news, search,
> history, electronics and genealogy pages.
Don't know about Netscape as they do have occasional problems on
all distributions I use, but I have the same observation about
the
core file. At work I have both RedHat6 and Mandrake6 and they
produce core dump very often. I use SuSE at home and it doesn't
give
me the core file (yet). Would it be possible that SuSE include a
secret script somewhere to get rid of this core file before it
become visible to us :-).
ac.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (DeAnn Iwan)
Subject: Re: computer literacy (was 'Linux viruses' or something)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 11:48:00 GMT
On Sun, 11 Jul 1999 15:37:23 GMT, "Binesh Bannerjee"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Things should be designed simpler... I'm looking forward to the
>Sony Playstation-2 for this actually... I think it'll nicely fit
>the 80/20 rule. Most people want to play games, type up letters
>of different sorts, surf the net, play on IRC or MUDs and send
>email. That's it. When they move into the 20 region, then it's
>time to move to the PC with infinite configurability and all.
>Until then, why should they know how everything works, when
>instead, they could be focussing on whatever their career choice
>is? The marine biologist should have a transparent enough interface
>to study dolphins, instead of figuring out how the spreadsheet works.
I think the new set top boxes that we keep hearing about are
aiming for the 80/20. If 80% of the people (or even, say 30%) of the
people just want a pc to surf the net, then you can give them a net
surfing appliance that is much less expensive than a more versatile
pc.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Kulisz)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: 13 Jul 1999 11:24:23 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Noah Roberts (jik-) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I was talking about democracy. I think its pretty much dieing in this
>country...if not rigamortiszed already.
Dead and rotted. But in that case, 1) asking whether communism or
democracy is better is nonsense since communism usually implies
democracy, and 2) democracy has a successful track record in nearly
all nations, regions, industries and institutions it is practiced.
You know, I call capitalism a dictatorship but the precise form of
that dictatorship is Monarchism; fortunes and financial empires are
inherited after all.
>Well in regards to Russia and China...both of which have been called
>"communist", the communist like government was more like a
>dictatorship...either immediately or by the appointment of a
>psychopathic monster as leader (Stalin was a creap).
Calling China communist is hogwash. The USSR *used* to be communist
for a very short period of time (1917-1920) after the Bolsheviks
got into power, and then Trotsky confused nationalization with
socialization and came up with the absurd conclusion that Stalin's
Russia remained communist.
>I think a part of human nature feeds greed. And capitalism could I
>guess succeed if the main players were not hoarding. However I think
Capitalism, understood as rule by capitalists, can never succeed.
You might as well say that a dictatorship can succeed as long as
you have a perfect dictator. You know what? Not even then!
Also, human nature is to be competitive not greedy, so humans are
basically war-mongering maniacs; greedy would be a vast improvement.
But the /way/ in which humans are competitive is extremely important;
humans don't compete with each other because they want more than their
neighbours, they compete because they fear having /less/ than their
neighbours. Because of this fact of human psychology, we can see that
strict egalitarianism is the only acceptable option.
>the socialist mechanics allow for a wider dispersment of the wealth,
>and possibly faster progress of ideas....not all the good ideas were
>brought about because someone wanted to get rich, some were but I
>think as a rule it is curiosity more then anything wich makes us
>pursue the truth...least it is that with me I think.
It's that way for most people, and any other behaviour is pathological.
>There are plenty of people out there that don't work...which would be
>more then willing to given the chance....I think capitolism ends up
>causing people to get laid off because of cut backs in some business
>deal all too often.
It's unstable and irrational (people get punished out of all proportion
to their supposed economic crimes), but that's not the worst aspect,
which is that capitalists thrive on the misery of the poor; capitalists
wield poverty like a weapon with which to bludgeon the poor.
>Also the US seems to look upon any non-capitolistic country as an
>enemy, so in a way your probably right. But I also think maybe a good
>portion of the people would rather it this way...I don't.
This is entirely due to propaganda. Back at the turn of the century,
US citizens were more or less pacifists in international affairs.
>Give me a _BREAK_....if anything the tolerance for warfare has
>INCREASED in the past 2 decades. Since the 80s we have had nothing
Yes, but something like Vietnam is now flatly impossible; the Bush
administration understood that. You can still have small /short/
wars with little or no casualties for our side but you can no longer
go romping through the jungle, taking thousands of casualties.
Consider, it took *years* before there were any demonstrations against
Vietnam but demonstrations against involvement in Iraq occured *before*
any such occured.
Noam Chomsky is one of the most critical analysts of US foreign policy
and he makes it a point that the US population's tolerance for warfare
has dramatically decreased.
>but small wars and that little Iran Contra affair which the public
>just took as normal every day activity...even labeling North, a
>traitor, as a hero of the people. This decade we have had what 5+
>wars? Ooohhh wait....millitary operations...we don't declair war
>anymore.
>
>I think the government has more or less learned how to play the public
>oppinion though, label something as communist or facist and everyone
Ahhh, but modern propaganda has existed for the last half century and
the government isn't new to manipulating public opinion. It's just that
/now/ there are new limits to how much it can manipulate it.
>is ready to nuke the whole godamn country...who cares if everyone gets
>killed as long as that psycho dictator terrorist is dead dead dead.
The problem is that the US government isn't willing to kill dictators
or even kick them out of power (it's only willing if a meaner dictator,
loyal to the US of course, does it) and the population is catching on
to that.
>Meanwhile people are starving and dieing on the street when the money
>required to make _1_ bomb would feed a man for a decade or more. Its
>pretty much all ass backwards as I see it.
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From: Seth Rothberg <seth@home-industries>
Subject: missing boot.b
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 03:22:29 -0400
I recompiled my kernel (make bzImage) and ran lilo (didn't know about mak=
e
bzlilo). When I rebooted I was dropped into a shell. I have to mount part=
itions
by hand and run insmod load my scsi card driver before I can mount a
partition on a scsi disk. When I ran lilo again, I got the message "open
/boot/boot.b: No such file or directory". So evidently I trashed my boot
directory at some point in this process and am now missing at least one f=
ile I
need.
Questions: Can I get boot.b back? If so, how?=20
Thanks,
Seth
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: automated ftp
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 11:27:44 GMT
In article <uazh3.2865$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Michael Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is there a way in Linux to automate a ftp session?
>
> In <bad word> NT, you can issue 'ftp -s xxxx.txt ftp.myserver.com',
where
> xxxx.txt is a 'ftp script'.
>
> i.e.
>
> REM ftp script: xxxx.txt
> user me
> pass mypass
> cd /pub/coolstuff
> binary
> lcd dwnload
> get coolthing.exe
> close
> REM end of xxx.txt
>
> 'man ftp' doesn't mention a *script*
>
> Thanks.
>
> Michael
>
>
you could create a little korn-shell script and make it executable:
#!/bin/ksh
ftp -n host.to.connect.to<<-!
user username password
cd pub/coolstuff
binary
lcd download
get coolthing.exe
bye
!
note that the password will appear in readable text!
just my USD 0.02 ...
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
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From: "James Stocks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: I am a newbie, HELP me please!
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 12:34:37 +0100
I am trying to install Caldera Open Linux 2.2, as I heard it was easy(er) to
get started with. When I run the Lizard install, it detects my hardware and
then I just get a grey screen. Anyone come across this? Anyone have any
suggestions at all?
Stocksy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bruce Schultz)
Subject: Re: PPP CHAP/PAP - Red Hat 5.2
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 23:49:35 -04-59
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 11 Jul 1999 08:55:08 GMT, Floyd Davidson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[emailed and posted]
>
>Chriseli de Rama <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>After an excruciating interrogation with an ATT Techie, I have finally
>>received a pertinent information (I think). The techie said they use PPP
>>CHAP. He would not tell me if they use NT servers because he assured me
>>that the information would not affect the connection process.
>
>He is right about that. (You are probably directly connected to
>a USR Total Control modem, which is using an SGI box to validate
>your login.)
>
>>I'm now having trouble setting up CHAP/PAP PPP with the HOWTO-PPP. Is
>>there anybody here that can give me tips on how to setup CHAP/PAP or has
>>successfully established a connection with ATT with their linux PCs?
>
>The trick with CHAP is having the right /etc/ppp/chap-secrets file
>entry, and calling pppd with the right arguments. The chap-secrets
>entry should look like this:
>
> "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" * "hivbfag-bgpoyev"
>
>Where the first field is the userid they have given you, and the
>last one is the password for it. Then when pppd is called it
>must have a "name [EMAIL PROTECTED]" argument. I'm not
>sure just what your particular ppp-on script looks like and
>cannot tell you exactly how to integrate that into it. Mine
>would look like this:
>
> NAME="name [EMAIL PROTECTED]"
> ...
> connect="chat ${DEBUGCHAT} -t 100 -l LCK..${PORT} -f ${CHATSCRIPT}"
> pppd ${NAME} /dev/${PORT} 38400 -detach passive connect "${connect}" &
>
>You can get more information in the log entries from pppd by
>adding "kdebug 7" and "debug" lines to your /etc/ppp/options
>file temporarily.
There's another trick to keep in mind. ATT doesn't use the same name
for its CHAP login as the one you chose when you signed up. If you
still have your windows setup, there's a file somewhere (it's been long
enough I don't remember and I'm not at the office where my windows
machine is located) that contains your real login name and password.
You won't recognize either. Use those in /etc/ppp/chap-secrets and
you'll be in business.
--
Bruce Schultz
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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