Linux-Misc Digest #51, Volume #21 Fri, 16 Jul 99 09:13:24 EDT
Contents:
Re: CIA assassinations (MK)
Re: Please Help Resolution Change In KDE (Paul Wilkins)
Kernel 2.3.10 problems (Karl Keyte)
Re: Linux on >8gb drives (Jason L Michael)
Re: Did you switch from Windows to Linux? (Norbert Eschle)
Re: repartitioning after install (Sitaram Chamarty)
Re: Can't telnet to localhost (Sitaram Chamarty)
Re: Communicator 4.61 with diald causes temporary X freeze (Sitaram Chamarty)
Re: M$ Japan claims Linux to be deleted from Tokyo policy meeting's agenda (Sitaram
Chamarty)
Re: any way to access MBR directly? ("J�rgen Pfann")
gform-1.1 under Linux (RedHat 5.2) (root)
Re: Bad Modem or bad connections? (Michael McConnell)
Beyond APM, improving battery life (Ulrich Neumerkel)
Re: CIA assassinations (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: root password (Colin Watson)
Linuxconf permissions (Ian Geldard)
VMWARE floppy boot problem (Eric Hazen)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (MK)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 10:06:52 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 16 Jul 1999 06:35:05 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Kulisz)
wrote:
>>As long as government does not get involved, customer has all
>>the power.
>ROTFLMAO!
No reason to laugh. When government was banning
free market, I was buying on illegal black market. No
problem with me. It's fine.
>>>Moreover, customers and *consumers* are two different things.
>>Does not matter. Matters who pays for it.
>And obviously, if you don't pay for anything then you deserve
>to die since it is Right and Proper to have your worth measured
>by the size of your wallet.
Whatever you do, is your choice. There is no guaranteed opportunity.
World owes you nothing, it was here first -- Mark Twain.
>>>Customers who are not consumers includes resellers, which makes up
>>>the overwhelming portion of the economy.
>>True. Any economically active person is both customer and producer.
>You witless cretin, resellers aren't producers!
They are. Ask economists. They're a kind of producers. They
are just not manufacturers. Those two terms are not synonyms.
>>No. Customers have all the power, be it individual, organization,
>>whoever spends money in free choice. Ultimately, end customers
>Well, here's news for you bozo; NOBODY has free choice. And the vast
>majority of spending is done by corporations on their own behalf.
Yeah, and hypnotized customers hand their hard earned cash
to those corporations so corporations could spend it on themselves
only.
Don't you think that customers _don't care_ for corporation? If so,
why should customers choose what is not in their interest, but in
corporations interest? The only way there is to make it happen, is to
get government involved that says "well, you can't buy car from
foreign company unless you pay the government because we
have power and we say so".
>>of goods are those who spend on it. As many dollars spent
>>as customers, as many votes. If government did not get involved,
>>power would belong to most of the people, as they spend most
>>of the money.
>You're addicted to denial of reality, aren't you?
>1) inter-corporation selling accounts for most of the economy
Check value chains. All of the production that is made, eventually has
to make to end user, as on each stage value is added, and if _finally_
end user does not buy it, it's left there unsold and it makes
financial loss. Regardless whether product makes from the raw ore to
fully produced car through 1, 20 or 50 companies, it ends up in hands
of end user. Either that, or company makes a loss. For example: in
twenties car companies had it's own farms where cows were breeded for
skins for car's internal arrangement. So it got passed to customer
through one company. Right now, Ford buys evan all brakes it puts in
cars from subcontractor and Ford just does not produce many
of parts of their cars by themselves at all. So the value of
transaction appears in sales whereas it did not appear before. By your
reasoning, car user was better off in twenties where company produced
the car from the scratch, because some financial number appeared
in internal reports instead of inter-company bills instead. What
difference does it make?
>2) government is, by far, the largest customer
Now that is true. And the most wasteful one. About ~50%
of GDP is redistributed, effectively exploiting free market
and making people work way more than they could.
>3) while the US government takes from the poor to give to the
> rich, if it didn't get involved, money wouldn't magically
> appear in poor people's hands
They would not appear there magically, what poor have would simply
have greater purchasing power. Remember that poor are numerical
marjority of customers. Few people are so deprived that they literally
have nothing to spend, most of them are simply earning little. The
rich will simply add at least part of taxes to prices, it is only
one more component in costs and thus it gets added to prices
wherever possible. Each tax is effectively paid by customer.
>>And since when what popular media embraces is true? It's rather
>Most of the time. The media abhors lying on verifiable facts, and
>even more so on *easily* verifiable facts; it reserves its lies
>for the impressions of those facts it gives.
Theory of concentration of wealth is not a fact, it's a thesis
(idiotic one).
>Example: an article in the Globe and Mail about the nurses' strike
>in Quebec explains the reason for the strike but it's headlined
>something like "Could it all be for money?".
Reasons for strike are not easy to find out precisely. It's
all about speculation and politics.
>But you seem like the type to only read headlines.
Read characteristics of Idiot type system administrator:
"Reading habits:
Idiot:
Reads Time and Newsweek and actually *believes* them."
>>by media. Serious economic theory is not easy to grasp and requires
>>effort; it's simplistico economico a la Marx that gets attention
>>precisely because he has had no merit.
>Yeah, *serious* economic theory is what *you* grasp and nobody else
>can. Extremely convenient. Keynes' exxplanation of depressions is
>extremely elegant and also happens to be correct.
Which South America in abysmal depths thanks Keynes very much (not).
The more time passes, the more false appears there in Keynes'
theories. Short explanation: if only businesses and workers acted
fairly and did not raise their prices when supply of money by
government increases. But they don't, which is why you only
get nasty inflation with nasty side effects.
>In every field of science, the simpler the theory the better, but
>obviously not in economics because it's necessary to confuse people
>in that field (unlike physics, economics is relevant to those who
>want to hold onto power).
Einstein:"as simple as possible, but NOT simpler".
Marx' theory is idiotic simplification. It is oversimplified. It
is merely a political tool for those with righteousnoss
and emotional thinking as prevalent as yours.
Marcin Krol
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Reality is something that does not disappear after
you cease believing in it - VALIS, Philip K. Dick
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From: Paul Wilkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.2600,linux.redhat.announce,linux.redhat.development,linux.redhat.install,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: Please Help Resolution Change In KDE
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 13:28:09 +1200
Trey Weaver wrote:
>
> Being a newbie myself and "finally" figuring out how to do this so I can
> help.
>
> Press Alt+Ctrl+F3 to get to a terminal and log in as root. Run "XF86Setup".
> Change you monitor resolution here be sure to run xvidmon (sp?) to get
> refresh/size/position right and then save it. Once complete press Alt+F7 to
> go back to the KDE. Sometimes your KDE may be blank because you have
> changed your resolution so press Alt+Ctrl+F3 again and enter "reboot".
I would suggest that instead of rebooting, he uses CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE to
tell X to quit [1], at which point X will come back up again with the
new settings. [2]
[1] Normally you would tell X to restart in the usual manner, but since
you in this case can't do that, CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE tells X "immediate
shutdown, do it now!".
[2] X restarts on its own because it was started by a refreshing daemon
Paul Wilkins
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From: Karl Keyte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: redhat.kernel.general,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Kernel 2.3.10 problems
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 11:29:47 +0100
Has anyone had problems with SMB compiling in the 2.3.10 kernel?
It can't find 'get_cached_page' anywhere - seems to have vanished
from the source.
Any clues anyone?
Please reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Regards,
Karl
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From: Jason L Michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux on >8gb drives
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 10:31:03 GMT
Don Pederson wrote:> I'm new to Linux. I have a copy of Caldera 2.2 and am planning
to> install it on my Win98 system. I have an IBM ATA-66 14gm hard disk, but> have
gotten the impression that the partition Linux is installed in must> begin under the
8gb area. Is this true? If so, can I start it at say,> 7.5gb and go to 9.5gb? I
have Partition Magic 4.0, so I can create> partitions easily.> > The messy thing about
this is that then I have to have two partitions> for Win98, one before and one after
the Linux partition.> > Don Pederson> Don,Same problem here. I don't think the
extended/logical/logical solution provided above will work, either. It still doesn't
address the fact that the BIOS can't see the drive past 1024 cylinders, so extended
partitions with logicals won't work.My solution is to get another drive for Linux.
Found a small (4.6G) Seagate drive for $75 at Fry's. I'll put linux on it and avoid
the cylinder limit. Also, Win98 hates to be on two separate primary partitions, so
your two partitions for Win98 isn't a good idea either. Windoze wants to be the first
primary partition on the disk. Sucks.
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From: Norbert Eschle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.caldera,comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Did you switch from Windows to Linux?
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 11:31:58 +0100
Brad Grimes wrote:
> If so, I'm writing a magazine article about operating systems and I'd like
> to hear from you. Drop me a line at:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Thanks.
Yes, fully switched to Linux now. Before that had WIn95 + Linux (SUSE 5.1) on
my old system. Decided to fully switch to Linux after Win crashed and I lost
*very* important data (Like, format 90 pages with loads of graphics etc and
then get the blue screen. After reboot discover that your filesystem is
f***ed up and you need a couple of drinks).
Running Linux now with emacs and LaTex for the big stuff and Applix Office
for the quick stuff never had any problems with crashing systems or
whatsoever. Plus when you're programming and your code crashes it's only the
process dying and not the whole kernel. Only good experiences so far. Running
RedHat 5.1 now (I think it's 5.1; haven't touched my install cd for ages ;-)
) it sometimes is a little hard to administrate since I'm used to the SUSE
way of doing things but then again. Anything for a stable system.
Norbert
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sitaram Chamarty)
Subject: Re: repartitioning after install
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 10:39:58 GMT
On Thu, 15 Jul 1999 01:09:03 GMT, Matthew Bafford
<*@dragons.duesouth.net> wrote:
>: Sadly, I don't think PQM can resize ext2 partitions. If you have
>
>My version (4) has no problems doing just that.
Sorry - I was wrong. I was looking at an older version!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sitaram Chamarty)
Subject: Re: Can't telnet to localhost
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 10:40:10 GMT
On Thu, 15 Jul 1999 10:27:57 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>All of a sudden, I can't telnet to localhost on my RedHat 5.2 system.
>When I try to telnet to localhost or 127.0.0.1, I get this:
>
>[root@localhost network-scripts]# telnet 127.0.0.1
>Trying 127.0.0.1...
>telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Network is unreachable
As your routing table indicates, this is true. And you did try to
add the route.
>[root@localhost /root]# route add 127.0.0.1
[Minor point: I much prefer more explicit routing commands; in
your case, I would do
route add -host 127.0.0.1 dev lo
]
Anyway, I have no idea what you broke, but try the following
commands and let us know what you get out of them...
ifconfig
This probably wont show any entry for "lo". If it does:
ifconfig lo down
There - now you're clean.
So start up the interface.
ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1
Add the route
route add -host 127.0.0.1 dev lo
Now check the route table as well as ifconfig
route -n
ifconfig
If this doesnt work, tell us what happens at each step. If it
does, then you have to figure out what you broke and how.
Debugging how you broke RH's scripts is a little more difficult
[1]. I like RH - heck I use it on all 3 of my machines - but
their setup seems pretty complex! Every time I think I have the
hang of it, within about a week or so I have forgotten and have to
"re-learn" :-)
[1] Some would say they're already broken!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sitaram Chamarty)
Subject: Re: Communicator 4.61 with diald causes temporary X freeze
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 10:40:12 GMT
On 14 Jul 1999 23:48:46 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>When I first start Communicator and click on the
>bookmarks, X freezes. After the connection with
>my ISP is established everything goes back to normal
>and works well.
Whenever anyone says "temporary freeze" I think "DNS". In your
case - I dont know. I mean, if you said Netscape froze, I'd
understand. Why the whole of X - I have no idea.
To test if this is indeed the problem, do this: change the "home
page" that netscape loads up when it starts to a file: url -
otherwise the very first touch of any button *does* make it go out
to the net looking for it.
If X no longer freezes, it is DNS, but I have no idea why a
netscape freeze is being propagated to X itself! (A new feature
of 4.6? I myself still use 4.07 so perhaps someone with 4.6 can
chip in.)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sitaram Chamarty)
Subject: Re: M$ Japan claims Linux to be deleted from Tokyo policy meeting's agenda
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 10:40:14 GMT
On Thu, 15 Jul 1999 18:35:38 +0900, FUJITA Yasushi
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>May 13, 1999
>
>CEO of M$ Japan (http://www.asia.microsoft.com/japan/) Mr. Furukawa
>insists that a word "Linux" is to be deleted from Tokyo Informative
>Vision Research Group's agenda. He says "Linux is a trademark, which
>should not appear in a public document".
A newspaper is a public document too!
Anyway, trademarks can be used anywhere (AFAIK) as long as they
are acknowledged in the fine print.
He's obviously doing what M$ executives do best - FUDge :-)
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From: "J�rgen Pfann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: any way to access MBR directly?
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 12:54:00 +0200
Hi !
Villy Kruse wrote:
>
> In article <7mlaiv$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> J�rgen Exner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Leonard Evens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> >> That's interesting. The first sector of the disk has 512 bytes.
> >> Does this mean that only the first 256 bytes contain information
> >> that may be changed by lilo? Does anyone know a ready source which
> >> explains exactly how the MBR is ordinarily laid out?
> >
> >Sorry, I should have been more careful when typing.
> >Of course you are right (on both counts).
> >
>
> The last 66 bytes of the first sector is the partition table, so if you
> whipe out the entire 512 bytes you have no more partition table. The
> last 2 byts are the magic word 0x55aa or 0xaa55 depending if you consider
> the word big or little endian.
>
> Villy
Yep, if you intend to scratch only the MBR but leave the partition
table intact, the command line to do so could be "dd if=/dev/zero
of=/dev/hda bs=1 count=446" (or "... bs=446 count=1", of course);
that's 512 minus 66 bytes ( 4 x 16 bytes for the 4 partition entries
and the "0x55aa / aa55" signature).
On, the other hand, if you somehow "shot" your partition table, e.g.
by "accidentally" deleting partition(s) but not having formatted any of
them anew, you could (at least in theory) restore the old partition
scheme by writing back the full 512 bytes of a previously backed up
MBR; I _did_ thus successfully get back access to a SCO (Free OS 5.0.2)
system without any further problems just recently...
Do I have to mention explicitly that while experimenting with things
like MBRs, you'd *always* be better off backing up _all_ your systems
(and _all_ your MBRs and probably partition boot sectors as well) ? -
I guess I do have to...
Juergen
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From: root <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: gform-1.1 under Linux (RedHat 5.2)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 12:51:29 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hello,
I have Linux kernel 2.0.36 and gcc-2.7.2.3-14, it is a RedHat
distribution.
I compiled gform-1.1 following the explanations. The compilation seems
OK because there is not any error message, but when I tested it under
the HTML examples and others I do not get the Emails. I do not get any
errors messages.
Could somebody send me some information concerning the 'gform-1.1' under
Linux ?
Gform-1.1 under the Linux 1.2.13 run very well, but after the change of
release I have not any success.
Thanks a lots for your Help.
Manuel Sepulveda
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From: Michael McConnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Bad Modem or bad connections?
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 10:56:09 +0100
On Thu, 15 Jul 1999, Ramin Sina wrote:
> Michael McConnell wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 14 Jul 1999, Ramin Sina wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all, this may be a stupid question, but how can I tell if a modem is
>>> gone bad and needs replacement?
>>> I have an internal v90 US Robatics modem which I had been successfully
>>> using to connect my SuSE 5.2 machine to my ISP. Now when I use ezppp to
>>> dial in, I get connected ( I hear the usuall modem noise and I get the
>>> written indication that connection was made) but
[snip]
>>
>> Is your machine dual-boot Windows and Linux? If so, does the modem work fine
>> in Windows? If so, see what its settings are.
>
> Thanks for your responde. It is Just Linux
>
>> I had this sort of problem when my modem was COM3 IRQ5 and I'd forgotten to
>> use setserial to set /dev/ttyS2 to IRQ5 (instead of its default IRQ4).
>
> How do I do something like that?
Check the jumpers on your modem.
Let me know what the settings are... (email to me if you like).
-- Michael "Soruk" McConnell [Red Hat 6.0 Available!]
Eridani Star System -- The Most Up-to-Date Red Hat Linux CDROMs Available
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.amush.cx/linux/ Fax: +44-8701-600807
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ulrich Neumerkel)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.portable
Subject: Beyond APM, improving battery life
Date: 16 Jul 1999 11:46:00 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Currently Linux supports APM functionality. But more could be
done using the BIOS.
* switch on/off the sound
* LCD brightness
* reduce the clock speed
* switch off the cache
* hibernate when closing the lid (not suspend)
I am in particular interested in PhoenixBIOS 4.0 used on VAIOs. It
would be interesting to implemenet something similar to the Powerpanel
(http://www.phoenix.com/platform/power.html). Has anyone found more
information on this topic?
Thank You
--
Ulrich Neumerkel http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/ulrich/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 12:04:28 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Michel Catudal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote on 13 Jul 1999 22:28:00 -0500 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>Richard Kulisz wrote:
>>
>> Capitalism, by definition, is about powermongers so to say that it has
>> been ruined by powermongers is nonsensical. Note that capitalism and
>> the free market are completely different things. The free market is
>> about perpetual warfare, chaos and anarchy. Nobody seriously believes
>> in the free market, least of all capitalists.
>>
>> Socialism only got busted due to repeated invasion by capitalist
>> neighbours. There *has* to be a change because there is no end
>> to the rise in productivity and hence to the proportion of the
>> population that becomes marginalized. The pressure against the
>> capitalists will rise indefinitely.
>>
>
>Capitalism is man exploiting man
>Communism and socialism are the opposite
I see.
And precisely which political/economic system was the
USSR of old using, again? :-)
*duck*
[.sigsnip]
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- wondering who's in talk.politics.misc :-)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Colin Watson)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,redhat.general
Subject: Re: root password
Date: 16 Jul 1999 14:03:11 +0100
In article <7mn8v6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Daniel Forester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In comp.os.linux.misc Chin Yew Tuck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>: When I bootup my Linux workstation (installed with redhat 5.2) it
^^^^^^^^^^
>: gives the following error msg:
>
>What distro?
See marked text.
>: "/dev/hda7: UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY; RUN fsck MANUALLY."
>: "*** An error occurred during the file system check."
>: "*** Dropping you to a shell; the system will boot"
>: "*** when you leave the shell."
>: "Give root password for maintenance"
>: "(or type Control-D for normal startup):"
>
>I did something - still don't know exactly what - and ended
>up with this; buncha bad blocks and all that. I just ended up formatting
>& tryin' again. ;-)
As long as you reformatted with bad-block detection (the -c option to
mke2fs) ...
--
Colin Watson [cjw44 at cam.ac.uk]
Trinity College, Cambridge, and Computer Science [riva.ucam.org]
"Logic is about flogging a dead horse." - Computer Science lecturer
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ian Geldard)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.install
Subject: Linuxconf permissions
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 12:01:43 GMT
On my RH6.0 k2.2.5-22 machine with Linuxconf 1.14r4-4, if as root I
go to user accounts and select my non-root account, there are a
number of privileges I can change from Denied to Granted and
Granted/Silent.
What is the difference between Granted and Granted/Silent?
If I select either Granted or Granted/Silent for "May use linuxconf"
and then login as my non-user account I am still unable to use
linuxconf.
Any ideas?
--
Ian Geldard
London, England
PGP DH/DSS Key ID: 0x07CB87A6
PGP RSA Key ID: 0xE5FD80A1
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From: Eric Hazen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: VMWARE floppy boot problem
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 11:59:34 +0000
I've just installed VMWARE 1.02 eval version on my RedHat 6.0 system.
When I "power on" a VM with a DOS 6 boot floppy it just gives the
"non system disk..." message. Same results with various other dos
versions and the Win NT 4.0 boot disk.
Anyone else have a similar problem?
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