Linux-Misc Digest #57, Volume #21 Fri, 16 Jul 99 20:13:11 EDT
Contents:
Re: Red Hat is Crap!! (Lev Babiev)
Re: seti@home Can't find path to network (John Edwards)
Re: Networking Linux and Windows machines. ("Robert Koenig")
Re: Linux Universe kernal 1.2.X (Lev Babiev)
Laptop Problem ("Patrick Smith")
Re: Kernel 2.3.10 problems (Lev Babiev)
Re: Did you switch from Windows to Linux? (coffee)
Re: LinuxPPC (Howard S Shubs)
Filenames (samba) ("Tha QPsta")
Re: CIA assassinations (Holy Cow)
Re: I need help on configuring a RAID 1 (Ryan Hughes)
Re: Can someone recommend.... (Gergo Barany)
Re: Linux soon = Windows (Long) (Erik de Castro Lopo)
Re: How to Change Typmatic Rate? (Stuart R. Fuller)
Re: Suse 6.1 and bash (Michael Hasenstein)
Re: CIA assassinations (Holy Cow)
Re: Did you switch from Windows to Linux? (Holy Cow)
Re: Non-Executable stack on Linux 2.2.x kernels? (Shok)
Re: Non-Executable stack on Linux 2.2.x kernels? (Shok)
Re: gtk+-1.2.3 on a lib5 linux problems. Please help me!! ("Spud")
Re: Does Linux support 'sar'? (Philip Brown)
rsh creates a zombie (Allen Ashley)
Re: CIA assassinations (Holy Cow)
Re: kppp , modem busy problem, help. SuSE6.1 ("Daniel Wells")
sudden mtools problem (can't mcopy) (Dawid Michalczyk)
Re: Shortcomings of Linux? (Holy Cow)
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From: Lev Babiev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Red Hat is Crap!!
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 17:32:35 -0400
Dear Troll,
> Get Slackware or Debian, they are the only pure distributions!
Define pure?
> Anyone who has used both Red Hat and either of these distributions
> knows this!
I tried half a dozen distros, inclusing three you have mentioned.
IMHO it hardly matters which one you're using, but rather what you
can do with it. Distro is a starting point , what matters if where
you go from there.
> *Flames go here*
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- Linus Torvalds | Linux forever!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Edwards)
Subject: Re: seti@home Can't find path to network
Date: 16 Jul 1999 21:08:48 GMT
guest ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: Hey group,
: I'm running madrake 6.0 and downloaded the seti@home prog, but when I
: try to run it regardless of a kpp or netconf connection I always get
: "can't establish route to host."
: HELP PLEASE!!
: Thanks in advance
: Dave P.
Hi
Firstly, are you behind a firewall or proxy server ? If so have a read of
the README that's in the same directory as setiathome.
How's the rest of your internet connection, can you read:
http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/
can you ping anywhere, eg:
ping setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu
--
-= John Edwards =-
-= Computing Service, Brunel University =-
-= Email: John.Edwards AT brunel.ac.uk =-
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Reply-To: "Robert Koenig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "Robert Koenig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Networking Linux and Windows machines.
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 00:29:10 -0700
OK great, Thanks everybody for the tips.
Robert
Dustin Puryear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Thu, 15 Jul 1999 05:23:18 -0700, "Robert Koenig"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Hello, yes I am a first time user. I was wondering if Linux and Windows
> >machines can see each other on the network or do I need a gateway of some
> >sort. More specifically if I set up wingate or some other proxy on my
> >windows mahine can I use linux go through the window machine to the
> >internet?
>
> You will need to tell the appropriate Linux software to use the proxy
> on the windows machine.
>
> ---
> Dustin Puryear
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Lev Babiev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Universe kernal 1.2.X
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 17:24:21 -0400
Steven Charbonneau wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I am running the Linux version 1.2.X that came with the book Linux Universe
> from Springer-Verlag by Strobel an Uhl. When talking about what version I am
> running, would I call this simply 1.2.X? Would I be able to program this
> kernals ConfigXF86 to support AGP cards? or to support the USB ports ?
Xfree86 is a separate piece of software, not part of kernel. (except for
frambuffers) USB is being developed in current devel - 2.3.x kernel
tree.
> I made a promise to myself to learn this OS four years ago when I couldn't
> get it to work on my PS1, and the "hacker" mentality behind it says to learn
> to program this old kernal and stay away from "buying" Red Hats.
I would really recommend to get a new kernel and newer distribution. I
remember
Linux Unverse and it's hardly my first choice. As for buying "Red Hats"
- you
can download it for free, or doanload Debian if you want to distance
yourself
from anything commercial.
You can install Linux Universe and upgrade it by hand to everything
newest and
greatest, but I think this would be more pain then it's worth.
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- Linus Torvalds | Linux forever!
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From: "Patrick Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Laptop Problem
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 07:31:58 -0700
I am running RH6.0 with kernel 2.2.5-15. If I upgraded to 2.2.5-22 will
there be support for the 3C575 cardbus network card? If not how would I go
about getting a driver for this without have to compile anything?
Thanks,
Patrick Smith
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From: Lev Babiev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: redhat.kernel.general,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Kernel 2.3.10 problems
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 17:29:00 -0400
Karl Keyte wrote:
>
> Has anyone had problems with SMB compiling in the 2.3.10 kernel?
> It can't find 'get_cached_page' anywhere - seems to have vanished
> from the source.
>
> Any clues anyone?
Grrr, another person compiling 2.3.x and not reading kernel-list. ;-)
As of 2.3.7 there was a mjor fs/caching rewrite. A lot of filesystems
are broken at the moment, including smb. If you want 2.3.x kernel and
smb support, go for 2.3.6.
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evil in itself; I just think they |
make really crappy | irc: CrazyLion, #linuxlounge @ EFnet
operating systems." |
- Linus Torvalds | Linux forever!
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From: coffee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Did you switch from Windows to Linux?
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 21:34:27 -0400
Brad Grimes wrote:
>
> If so, I'm writing a magazine article about operating systems and I'd like
> to hear from you. Drop me a line at:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Thanks.
Im ALSO happy to reply that I use Linux exclusively for any work that I
have to do. Its fast and reliable not like windoze that crashes all the
time. I run a file server, and two other linux machines. Now, How do I
get my girlfriend to start using it??? <grin>.
--
coffee at indy dot net * ICQ 1614986
Kokomo, Indiana, USA
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Howard S Shubs)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.unix.misc
Subject: Re: LinuxPPC
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 11:33:21 -0500
In article <iPuj3.6748$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>If they're not a commercial entity, then it would make a whole lot more
>sense to be <http://www.linuxppc.org> or <http://www.linuxppc.net>,
>rather than <http://www.linuxppc.com>.
Have you tried www.linuxppc.org?
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From: "Tha QPsta" <unknown>
Subject: Filenames (samba)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 23:29:30 +0200
Hello,
First of all in new to Linux so i think it's a very simple question but a
real problem for me.
If i copy a file from win98 to linux the filename is changed to the
dos-format(8.3).
Is this normal ?? What can i do about it ??
TIA
QP
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From: Holy Cow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 18:20:24 +0600
MK wrote:
> Try Robert Axelrod's "Evolution of cooperation".
Thanks. I will.
> >> Also, those outside monopoly are free to compete with monopoly,
> >Absolutely true. As true as that cripples are free to compete with
> >athletes.
>
> Absolutely, they are indeed. Life's unfair.
That's another very popular bs line. Life's unfair--OK, so don't make it
worse than it needs be. When someone knocks you over the head and takes
you wallet, would that be the first thing that would come to your mind
when you come to your senses <g>? (I doubt that, you're more likely to
call the police. But why? Life's unfair, so just go home ;-)
--
len
if you must email, reply to:
len bel at world net dot att dot net (no spaces, ats2@, dots2.)
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From: Ryan Hughes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: I need help on configuring a RAID 1
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 21:31:03 GMT
Ray,
The kernels that come with SuSE tend to suck. Try downloading a newer
kernel.
-Ryan
Raimund Sacherer wrote:
> Hi, the patch did not work --> when compiling the kernel, i get errors.
> I have the SuSE 6.0 linux.
>
> What is a pristine kernel source package?
>
> best regards
> The Ray
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gergo Barany)
Subject: Re: Can someone recommend....
Date: 16 Jul 1999 22:11:05 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
William Wueppelmann wrote:
>In our last episode (Thu, 15 Jul 1999 19:10:43 +0100),
>the artist formerly known as Andrew Arbon said:
>>Hello,
>>
>>Can someone recommend me a good offline news reading program and a good
>>email editor for X windows, please?
>
>slrn is a good newsreader. Pine is a good enough (for what I need it for)
>email client, though I've heard mutt is better. vim is a good email
Mutt has a steeper learning curve than Pine, but it's very flexible.
Mutt is to mail agents what Emacs is to editors (well, almost; it
doesn't have a built-in LISP interpreter yet). Slrn is great except
for some quirks (like the default key mapping).
Gergo
--
The more laws and order are made prominent, the more thieves and
robbers there will be.
-- Lao Tsu
GU d- s:+ a--- C++>$ UL+++ P>++ L+++ E>++ W+ N++ o? K- w--- !O !M !V
PS+ PE+ Y+ PGP+ t* 5+ X- R>+ tv++ b+>+++ DI+ D+ G>++ e* h! !r !y+
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From: Erik de Castro Lopo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux soon = Windows (Long)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 07:35:50 +1000
Tobias Anderberg wrote:
>
> >I just installed SuSE Linux 6.1 [...] I let YaST do the all the stuff,
> >I just chose the defaults and boom - I have a beautiful KDE desktop.
>
> I decided to reflect on this issue after reading the above statement. It's
> something that's been nagging me for some time now and I just wanted
> to share my 0.2$. Please note that I'm not attacking the poster of the
> above statement.
>
> Hmm, so the Windows phenomenon is finally creeping up on Linux. This
> has been my fear since I first saw how people yielded about Redhat's
> RPM superiosity. It must've been sometime around '95. Ahh, the memories...
Go back to your homes. You have nothing to fear. Everything will be OK.
OK, so you fear that Linux will become like windows, where one bad
OS/interface/tools suite fits all. This is not and will not be the case.
Because Linux is open source and infinitely configurable, there will
always be a number of smaller less well know distributions for the
technically savvy hackers.
Erik
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in jail. When 100,000 SPAMMERS send me one mail each,
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stuart R. Fuller)
Subject: Re: How to Change Typmatic Rate?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 22:00:03 GMT
fred smith ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: Andreas Hinz ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: : On Wed, 14 Jul 1999 20:47:34 -0700, Scott Galloway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: : >
: : For the console, look at 'kbdrate'
: : For X look at 'xset'.
:
: Many PC's have options in their CMOS SETUP for changing the keyboard
: repeat rate and the delay before repeat begins. This seems the best way
: to do it because you then don't need to run an extra program to set it.
However, X takes over the keyboard and implements its own rate and delay.
Hence, if running X, you need to use 'xset'.
Stu
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From: Michael Hasenstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Suse 6.1 and bash
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 23:06:39 +0200
-ljl- wrote:
> > I have the bash shell on my Suse 6.1, but it won't read my .bashrc
> (My
> > aliases in .bashrc don't work)!
At login only .bash_login is read by bash. Afterwards only .bashrc. Take
that into account, I suppose that's your trouble.
You could put the following into your .bash_profile to _always_ have
.bashrc evaluated:
# Get the aliases and functions
if [ -f ~/.bashrc ]; then
. ~/.bashrc
fi
--
Michael Hasenstein
http://www.csn.tu-chemnitz.de/~mha/
Private Pilot (ASEL) since 1998
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From: Holy Cow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 18:50:01 +0600
Greg Yantz wrote:
> Planned economies of any sort have inherent problems. They don't always
> seem to tranform into something totalitarian, but the groundwork has
> already been laid, as it were. Try "The Road to Serfdom" by H.A. Hayek.
Perhaps, but "planned" doesn't need to mean 'socialist'. Any business
these days is planned to one degree or another. Second, Hayek shouldn't
be taken as a bible--he's written good books, but they're more intuitive
than 'scientific', in a sense that he's not using any data or specific
research to support his views. They seem convincing, but it's all
intuition. It's a bit like Belloc's books--interesting to read, massage
your brain and make you think. But not something cast in stone, just
another interesting opinion. And he's got a horrifying style, I want to
add <g>.
--
len
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From: Holy Cow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Did you switch from Windows to Linux?
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 18:53:14 +0600
coffee wrote:
> Its fast and reliable not like windoze that crashes all the
> time.
Oh, come on. It don't crash "all the time." It may crash, but not nearly
as often as one would think after perusing this ng.
> I run a file server, and two other linux machines. Now, How do I
> get my girlfriend to start using it??? <grin>.
Get one <g>.
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From: Shok <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.security.unix
Subject: Re: Non-Executable stack on Linux 2.2.x kernels?
Date: 16 Jul 1999 21:56:30 GMT
Actually, Solar Designer has a 2.2.x non-executable stack patch in the
Alpha stage, which you can find in his ftp directory
(ftp://ftp.dataforce.net.net/pub/solar/non-exec-pre1-2.2.9.d).
Matt
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From: Shok <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.security.unix
Subject: Re: Non-Executable stack on Linux 2.2.x kernels?
Date: 16 Jul 1999 22:03:04 GMT
In comp.security.unix Shok <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Actually, Solar Designer has a 2.2.x non-executable stack patch in the
> Alpha stage, which you can find in his ftp directory
> (ftp://ftp.dataforce.net.net/pub/solar/non-exec-pre1-2.2.9.d).
Rather, non-exec-pre1-2.2.9.diff.
> Matt
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From: "Spud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: gtk+-1.2.3 on a lib5 linux problems. Please help me!!
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 22:03:08 GMT
Make sure you only have one version of gtk+ installed. Also, make sure
you only have one version of glib installed, and make sure that version is
1.2.3
>Hello
> I am trying to install gtk+-1.2.3 on COL 1.3 but I can't make it.
>Instead I've got
>loads of errors such as:
>
>../gdk/.libs/libgdk.so: undefined reference to `g_main_add_poll'
>.libs/libgtk.so: undefined reference to `g_get_prgname'
>.libs/libgtk.so: undefined reference to `g_node_reverse_children'
>../gdk/.libs/libgdk.so: undefined reference to
>`g_io_channel_unix_get_fd'
>.libs/libgtk.so: undefined reference to `g_quark_from_static_string'
>.libs/libgtk.so: undefined reference to `g_main_new'
>.libs/libgtk.so: undefined reference to `g_main_run'
>../gdk/.libs/libgdk.so: undefined reference to `g_source_add'
>
>Any hint?
>
>Thanks
>
>Ed
>
>
>Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
>Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Philip Brown)
Subject: Re: Does Linux support 'sar'?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 16 Jul 1999 22:26:06 GMT
On Fri, 16 Jul 1999 17:33:43 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Hello Jon,
>Under Linux you have a better programme, this is 'top'.
>Undet line command type : top
top is NOT better than sar. It is programmed for a different purpose.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Allen Ashley)
Subject: rsh creates a zombie
Date: 16 Jul 1999 23:14:01 GMT
On my local network one of the machines is connected to a modem
and that machine servers as a gateway, via ip masquerading, for
the other machines. I have a connection script, say pppstart, on
the gateway machine that consists of this:
startup stuff
pppd stuff &
ending stuff
exit
When I invoke the script on the gateway machine the prompt returns
and the pppd daemon is left running. If I invoke the script
from another machine on the lan, as:
rsh gateway pppstart
I do not get a prompt back on the machine as long as the daemon is
running. If I look at the processes running on gateway I see
pppstart as a zombie and pppd daemon both running. On the machine
that executed the rsh command I see the rsh command still running.
If I kill the rsh command via control/c or kill command on another
console, the daemon is killed as well.
Now particulars:
I only experience this behavior when the gateway machine is running
SuSE 6.1. If gateway is running either Slackware 4 or RedHat 6
there are no zombie processes and a prompt is returned after the
rsh command, and the pppd daemon is left running.
The behavior on gateway running SuSE is independent of the shell
since I have tried both the current and previous versions of bash
and csh.
I am at a loss to explain why the daemon remains tied to the rsh
process and the rsh is left connected to the zombie stub.
Any ideas at all?
BTW, if I execute the rsh command in the background as
rsh gateway pppstart &
I get a prompt back, of course, but when the ppp connection is
terminated on gateway a zombie rsh process is left on the original
machine.
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From: Holy Cow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 18:41:58 +0600
Phillip Lord wrote:
> The Soviet system was great, until it moved away from
> the Soviet system and became Stalinist.
How can you say something like that? What was so great about the Soviet
system before 'it became Stalinist'? It was a bunch of bullsh#t
ideologically and a bunch of butchery otherwise--from the very first
moment, forget Stalin. Stalin, if anything, stabilized all this crap.
> Incidentally if you are into George Orwell I suggest that you read
> "homage to catalonia", and "down and out in paris and london" whilst
> you are there. This might help you to understand that Orwell was actually
> a socialist, was decrying the death of it in the USSR, not claiming an
> historical enevitablity.
I also think it's time to add '84 to the reading list <g>. As far as his
being a socialist, I think you're right, he was, but he always seemed to
me a disenchanted one. This is definitely a feeling that registers at
the end of his 'catalonia' book. There's no propaganda in his books.
> There are many countries which have strong socialist
> traditions (including my own) and in many cases these ideals have been
> incorporated deeply into the society. And most of them have not turned
> into totalitarian governments.
That's reasonable. Pretty much all European countries are more or less
this way.
--
len
if you must email, reply to:
len bel at world net dot att dot net (no spaces, ats2@, dots2.)
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From: "Daniel Wells" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: kppp , modem busy problem, help. SuSE6.1
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 17:32:58 -0700
What is your modem? If you set it up correctly like I did, and still get
the message, you may find out that you have a modem that you cannot use with
linux. Much to my dismay, after purchasing my new P3 450 mhz system, I
realized that the PCI modem that came with my machine won't work, because it
is a software modem (winmodem).
I hope for your sake it's not a PCI or winmodem.
Best of Luck,
Dan Wells
dd wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>click on the Device tab.
>
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> hi there
>>
>> 1st can SuSE 6.1 be setup to use my modem for dialup and my
ethernet
>> card for a cable modem?
>> Good, well for now (till my cable modem gets here) i need to
get
>> kppp working, i get an error message that says sorry,
>> the modem is busy.
>>
>> i dont know what could be using the modem , how can i findout?
>
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From: Dawid Michalczyk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: sudden mtools problem (can't mcopy)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 01:18:23 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Suddenly I can't mcopy anymore. I get "cannot initialize 'C:' Bad target
c:" message error when I try to mcopy file c: . I looked in the
etc/mtools.conf and everything seems ok. How do I fix this?
thanks, Dawid
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From: Holy Cow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Shortcomings of Linux?
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 19:05:52 +0600
> > For the last few years Microsoft has been trying to push
> > their own ideas and strategies through IETF as official
> > standards (e.g. DHCP, a Microsoft-invented extension to
> > BootP). Basically Microsoft develops something on their own,
> > pushes it as a (hopefully, from their point of view, very
> > complex) standard, that is difficult to implement, and then
> > gets a head start from the work they have already done by
> > being the first company with a working implementation.
> > Everyone else has to catch up.
Strictly speaking, I don't see why this is bad. In fact, this is
required in order to submit a proposal to OMG: there has to be a
working prototype of a product based on the proposed standard. Iow,
proposals should be minimally tested in the real world, and not just a
load of paper. So if that's what MS does, then it's fine.
--
len
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