Linux-Misc Digest #96, Volume #21 Tue, 20 Jul 99 10:13:21 EDT
Contents:
Re: Linux IRQ oops (HoKuo Chan)
Re: Sony SDT-2000 Can't mount KDE's tape backup. ("Spotillius Maximus aka \"Spot\"")
57600 possible, or spd_hi necessary? (Georg Schwarz)
Re: Can i save my kernel to a floppy? (Leonard Evens)
Re: Best tape drive for Linux? (Leonard Evens)
Re: Same Newbie, same problems (monitor, modem, sound, etc.) (Thomas Ruedas)
Re: Did you switch from Windows to Linux? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Finnally I can use double click (Leonard Evens)
Re: Linux on Macintosh Classic (J.H.M. Dassen (Ray))
Re: Commercial Applications ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: 57600 possible, or spd_hi necessary? (Eric Wick)
Font problem starting X ("Mark Naber")
Re: MS Exchange Server (Jon Bloom)
Re: Unable to Change Monitor's Resolution (Rajesh Rajesh Radhakrishnan)
Re: Marx vs. Nozick (Matthias Warkus)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 11:02:37 -0400
From: HoKuo Chan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux IRQ oops
You can also check in the file /proc/interrupts
There you will find the interrupt settings for your various devices,
the first column being the interrupt number and the last column being
the device.
David Eaton wrote:
>
> run linuxconf as root and change the irq in the network section
>
> On Fri, 16 Jul 1999, Hunter Ritchie wrote:
> >Penguins,
> >
> > This is a repost because the last one didn't seem to take.
> > Anyway, I've just installed RedHat 6.0 on an old 486 machine with 20Mb
> >RAM. It takes about 4 hours for the install, so I am resistant to repeating
> >the procedure.
> >
> > Problem:: I oopsed during the install and set my Ethernet card to be
> >used at IRQ 5. Unfortunately, the card itself is set to be used at IRQ 10.
> >
> > Question:: How or where do I manipulate settings (through commands or
> >script modification) to get Linux to look for the card at IRQ 10? I've
> >tried 'ifconfig' and 'ether=' at boot. Neither has worked (which means they
> >both probably do and I just didn't use them correctly.)
> >
> > I know it is possible to reconfigure the card itself with a DOS utility,
> >but am avoiding that because it conflicts with my "master plan".
> >
> >Any help clearing this mess up is greatly appreciated.
> >Thanks in advance,
> >Pops
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From: "Spotillius Maximus aka \"Spot\"" <*****@ix.netcom.com>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.install
Subject: Re: Sony SDT-2000 Can't mount KDE's tape backup.
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 05:23:25 -0400
Bill, thanks for responding. I tried a few other things last night and I
was able to get KDE's tape utility to mount the drive twice, but the program
locked when I tried to format a tape. It did prompt me that I had an
unformatted tape installed, which I did. The tape mounted as /dev/st0 just
twice and no more after that. What seems strange is that I think I tried
mounting it as /dev/st0 other times without success. And I'm logged in as
root everytime. Is this pilot error or a problem with KDE's backup utility?
Maybe I need to try a different backup utility? Thanks.
Ed
>
>I was seeing the same message when logged in as myself. It
>can mount a tape if I start the program up from the root
>account though. Try to log in as root or su to it. It
>works both ways for me.
>
>Bill
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Georg Schwarz)
Subject: 57600 possible, or spd_hi necessary?
Date: 20 Jul 1999 09:30:09 GMT
Is it possible to directly declare the serial port speed as 57600, or is
it still necessary to use setserial spd_hi?
--
Georg Schwarz ([EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], PGP 2.6ui)
Institut f�r Theoretische Physik +49 30 314-24254 FAX -21130 IRC kuroi
Technische Universit�t Berlin http://home.pages.de/~schwarz/
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From: Leonard Evens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Can i save my kernel to a floppy?
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 09:44:45 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> hi there
>
> since i compiled a kernel that seems to work well , can i save it to
> a floppy and use it as a replacement if i crash my system? if so what
> all do i save just vmlinuz? and /or /System.map
>
> thanks
I have found the easiest way to do this is to copy the
existing kernel as follows
dd if=kernel_name of=/dev/fd0
and then run
rdev /dev/fd0 name_of_root partition
For example, if root is on /dev/hda2 use
rdev /dev/fd0 /dev/hda2
If you don't do the rdev command, you will
get a panic error message about not being able
to find the root partition when booting.
rdev /dev/fd0
will tell you what it is set at if you want to
check.
With RH5.1 and beyond, you can also use the mkbootdisk
command which allows you to choose the rescue
option and insert a rescue disk to run a ramdisk
version of Linux for repair purposes. But just
used as a boot floppy, some more recent BIOSs
take forever---so long you think it has hung---to
read the floppy. This does not appear to be a problem
with a kernel copied directly to the floppy as described
above.
--
Leonard Evens [EMAIL PROTECTED] 847-491-5537
Dept. of Mathematics, Northwestern Univ., Evanston, IL 60208
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From: Leonard Evens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Best tape drive for Linux?
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 10:13:51 -0500
John Thompson wrote:
>
> Dale Coleman wrote:
>
> > Hi all, I was hoping somebody could help me select a good tape drive for use on
> > Linux.
> >
> > Has anybody used the HP 5 or 8 GB internal (EIDE) or external (Parallel) drive?
>
> I've been using an HP-Colorado 5GB internal IDE tape drive
> on this machine since 1/99; the only "gotcha" was that I had
> to update my kernel to the v2.2.x series to make it work.
> But that's probably a Good Idea anyway...
>
> --
>
> -John ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
I've been using the HP 5GB drive (really 2.5 uncompressed)
for quite a while. It first become usable with kernel
2.0.35 so I had to upgrade my kernel to use it. But I
am now also using it with a 2.2 kernel. The device is
/dev/ht0. It is possible I had to use MAKEDEV in /etc
to make the device, but I think it is made by default
in RH5.2 and beyond. I think it didn't work with some
mt options originally, but some of that may have been fixed
since. It works fine with what I want to do which is to
use tar with the z option for compression. I think when
restoring one may get an irrelevant error message at the
end of the record. I would get the 10GB version instead
(really 5 GB uncompressed) since it isn't much more expensive
and I don't see any reason why it should not work.
The tapes are not as easy to find as some other travan tapes
but I have had no trouble finding them in the Chicago area.
And of course you can order them over the internet if worse
comes to worst.
There is a real advantage using an external SCSI tape drive
if you have a SCSI adapter (or intend to put one in). SCSI
devices are generally much easier to deal with and you can
easily transfer the tape drive to another machine. But
moderately priced SCSI tape drives are not so easy to find,
and none can compete in price with the HP drive. For a
single user system, I would go with the HP , but I would get
a more expensive external drive for a moderate to large
network.
There are some limitations on how many IDE devices you can
have, so you would have to be sure you had space for it.
--
Leonard Evens [EMAIL PROTECTED] 847-491-5537
Dept. of Mathematics, Northwestern Univ., Evanston, IL 60208
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Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 11:11:10 +0200
From: Thomas Ruedas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Same Newbie, same problems (monitor, modem, sound, etc.)
>the kernel should be in root/usr/src/linux
/root is root's "home directory", while / is the root directory of the
whole system. You will probably find the kernel in /usr/src/linux
If you need to find a file by name, you can use the find command, e.g.
find / -name linux
Read the find man page for details (man find).
--
============================================
Thomas Ruedas
Institute of Meteorology and Geophysics,
J.W. Goethe University Frankfurt/Main
Feldbergstrasse 47 D-60323 Frankfurt/Main, Germany
Phone:+49-(0)69-798-24949 Fax:+49-(0)69-798-23280
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.geophysik.uni-frankfurt.de/~ruedas/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Did you switch from Windows to Linux?
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 01:58:58 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In comp.os.linux John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Are those games linux versions or do you use an emulator? I knew doom
> could be played in linux but had no idea that Civilization Call to Power
> could.
yes, CTP was the first big commercial game to be ported to linux (x86
and ppc). Check out www.lokigames.com, there are some others coming
out soon.
-ckm
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From: Leonard Evens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Finnally I can use double click
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 09:48:33 -0500
Efi Merdler wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> I just installed Gnome and I am very happy,great piece of software,but
> what really made me happy is the ability to use double click(unlike
> KDE).
>
> That's it I am staying with Gnome.
>
> Thank you
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
Unfortunately, for things in the panel, a single click
is called for. This inconsistency can be a bit confusing.
But I agree about gnome. At first I found it awkward,
but it has grown on me.
--
Leonard Evens [EMAIL PROTECTED] 847-491-5537
Dept. of Mathematics, Northwestern Univ., Evanston, IL 60208
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (J.H.M. Dassen (Ray))
Crossposted-To:
alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.questions,linux.redhat,comp.os.linux.m68k
Subject: Re: Linux on Macintosh Classic
Date: 20 Jul 1999 10:15:10 GMT
[F'up set]
Andrea Hohendahl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>is it possible to install a Linux version on a Macintosh Classic?
See http://www.linux-m68k.org/faq/reqs.html . I'm not very familiar with
Macs or the m68k port, but I suspect a Mac Classic does not have an MMU, so
the chances of having a useful Linux version running on it are slim.
HTH,
Ray
--
Cyberspace, a final frontier. These are the voyages of my messages,
on a lightspeed mission to explore strange new systems and to boldly go
where no data has gone before.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Commercial Applications
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 10:32:33 GMT
Sorry to interupt guys but I'm looking for some EU Nationals who are
experts in Oracle Applications (Manufacturing and Distribution Modules)
for 6 month+ contract in The Netherlands. Any interest please reply
ASAP to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Eric Wick)
Subject: Re: 57600 possible, or spd_hi necessary?
Date: 20 Jul 1999 10:56:45 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <7n1fj1$6o7$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>Is it possible to directly declare the serial port speed as 57600, or is
>it still necessary to use setserial spd_hi?
I don't think so. Using Minicom you have to set up this by hand and it works to
the upper hardware-limit. Same on a ppp or diald-setup.
Think this setting is a relict from older days;-)
--
<<This posting offers my personally meanings only, not from my company>>
--
ByeBye
Eric
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From: "Mark Naber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Font problem starting X
Date: 20 Jul 1999 07:38:47 -0600
When my system boots it says soemthing like this.
Element #0 (starting at 0) of font path is bad or has a bad font.
/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc .. etc..
When I try to do a startx, the server crashes and says it cannot find the
font fixed.
Any ideas?
Mark Naber
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Jon Bloom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MS Exchange Server
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 08:45:55 -0400
Hugh wrote:
>
> I need advice on setting up a connection to a MS Exchange Server off a Linux
> Box.
> Our organization is using MS Outlook and an Exchange Server to handle email.
> I would like to get my email through the Ex. Server, but using RedHat Linux
> 6. Any ideas?
The server admin needs to enable POP or IMAP access to the server. Then
you can use any of the numerous POP/IMAP mail clients available for
Linux to access the mail. What you will not be able to do is access some
of the specialized Exchange features that require use of an MS mail
client (Outlook).
If you find that you must run Outlook (due to admin recalcitrance or the
need to use Exchange-specific features such as calendaring), you might
look into vmware (www.vmware.com), which will allow you to run a copy of
the Windows OS of your choice in an X window under Linux.
Good luck.
Jon
--
Jon Bloom, KE3Z
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Electronic Publications Manager (Software, CD-ROMs and Web site)
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From: Rajesh Rajesh Radhakrishnan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Unable to Change Monitor's Resolution
Date: 20 Jul 1999 09:11:29 -0400
Hi,
I finally got my X windows to work at 1152x864 (17" Proview Monitor,
Trident TGUI9660 2MB video memory)
You certainly need a lot of patience :)
XF86Setup, Xconfigurator, xf86config didn't help at all. I only used
them to create the 'XF86Config' file then played with the XF86Config
file to get the max resolution that could handled by my video
hardware. Used 'SuperProbe' to find out my video memory.
I later found a 'comprehensive' XF86Config file on the Web which had
far more Modelines that the ones generated by XF86Setup,
Xconfigurator, xf86config.
The problem is to find the correct Modeline. For example, there will be
several Modelines 1024x768 but only one or two can be handled by your
video hardware configuration.
It helps to remove Modelines like 320x200 etc the ones which you will
never use and name the various Modelines that you are going to use
with seperate strings "1152x864A" "1152x864B" "1152x864C" as shown
below (thanks to Dale for this great idea!),
Then type,
bash$ startx &> output_file
(the above command will not work on tcsh)
If it blanks press Ctrl-Alt-backspace to quit X-windows and view
'output_file', you will see what went wrong. If none of your modelines
worked look around the web for other Modelines from other XF86Config
files. You will be surprised how many people have posted their
XF86Config files on the web.
Hope this helps.
Rajesh
________________________________________________________
# /etc/X11/XF86Config
# File generated by xf86config.
# **********************************************************************
# Refer to the XF86Config(4/5) man page for details about the format of
# this file.
# **********************************************************************
# **********************************************************************
# Files section. This allows default font and rgb paths to be set
# **********************************************************************
Section "Files"
# The location of the RGB database. Note, this is the name of the
# file minus the extension (like ".txt" or ".db"). There is normally
# no need to change the default.
RgbPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb"
# Multiple FontPath entries are allowed (which are concatenated together),
# as well as specifying multiple comma-separated entries in one FontPath
# command (or a combination of both methods)
#
# If you don't have a floating point coprocessor and emacs, Mosaic or other
# programs take long to start up, try moving the Type1 and Speedo directory
# to the end of this list (or comment them out).
#
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/"
# For OSs that support Dynamically loaded modules, ModulePath can be
# used to set a search path for the modules. This is currently supported
# for Linux ELF, FreeBSD 2.x and NetBSD 1.x. The default path is shown
# here.
# ModulePath "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules"
EndSection
# **********************************************************************
# Keyboard section
# **********************************************************************
Section "Keyboard"
Protocol "Standard"
# control keys, use:
XkbOptions "ctrl:swapcaps"
# These are the default XKB settings for XFree86
XkbRules "xfree86"
XkbModel "pc101"
XkbLayout "us"
# XkbVariant ""
XkbOptions "ctrl:swapcaps"
XkbKeymap "xfree86(us)"
EndSection
# **********************************************************************
# Pointer section
# **********************************************************************
Section "Pointer"
Protocol "PS/2"
Device "/dev/mouse"
EndSection
# **********************************************************************
# Monitor section
# **********************************************************************
# Any number of monitor sections may be present
Section "Monitor"
Identifier "ProviewSa-769"
VendorName "Proview"
ModelName "Sa-769"
# HorizSync is in kHz unless units are specified.
# HorizSync may be a comma separated list of discrete values, or a
# comma separated list of ranges of values.
# NOTE: THE VALUES HERE ARE EXAMPLES ONLY. REFER TO YOUR MONITOR'S
# USER MANUAL FOR THE CORRECT NUMBERS.
HorizSync 30-70
# HorizSync 30-64 # multisync
# HorizSync 31.5, 35.2 # multiple fixed sync frequencies
# HorizSync 15-25, 30-50 # multiple ranges of sync frequencies
# VertRefresh is in Hz unless units are specified.
# VertRefresh may be a comma separated list of discrete values, or a
# comma separated list of ranges of values.
# NOTE: THE VALUES HERE ARE EXAMPLES ONLY. REFER TO YOUR MONITOR'S
# USER MANUAL FOR THE CORRECT NUMBERS.
VertRefresh 50-120
# Modes can be specified in two formats. A compact one-line format, or
# a multi-line format.
# These two are equivalent
# ModeLine "1024x768i" 45 1024 1048 1208 1264 768 776 784 817
# Mode "1024x768i"
# DotClock 45
# HTimings 1024 1048 1208 1264
# VTimings 768 776 784 817
# Flags "Interlace"
# EndMode
# This is a set of standard mode timings. Modes that are out of monitor spec
# are automatically deleted by the server (provided the HorizSync and
# VertRefresh lines are correct), so there's no immediate need to
# delete mode timings (unless particular mode timings don't work on your
# monitor). With these modes, the best standard mode that your monitor
# and video card can support for a given resolution is automatically
# used.
# 640x480 @ 60 Hz, 31.5 kHz hsync
Modeline "640x480A" 25.175 640 664 760 800 480 491 493 525
# 640x480 @ 72 Hz, 36.5 kHz hsync
Modeline "640x480B" 31.5 640 680 720 864 480 488 491 521
# 1024x768 @ 60 Hz, 48.4 kHz hsync
Modeline "1024x768A" 65 1024 1032 1176 1344 768 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync
# 1024x768 @ 87 Hz interlaced, 35.5 kHz hsync
Modeline "1024x768B" 44.9 1024 1048 1208 1264 768 776 784 817
# 1152x864 @ 89 Hz, 44 kHz hsync
ModeLine "1152x864A" 65 1152 1168 1384 1480 864 865 875 985
# 1152x864 @ 60 Hz, 53.5 kHz hsync
Modeline "1152x864B" 89.9 1152 1216 1472 1680 864 868 876 892 -HSync -VSync
# 1152x864 @ 70 Hz, 62.4 kHz hsync
Modeline "1152x864C" 92 1152 1208 1368 1474 864 865 875 895
# 1152x864 @ 78 Hz, 70.8 kHz hsync
Modeline "1152x864D" 110 1152 1240 1324 1552 864 864 876 908
# 1152x864 @ 84 Hz, 76.0 kHz hsync
Modeline "1152x864E" 135 1152 1464 1592 1776 864 864 876 908
EndSection
# **********************************************************************
# Graphics device section
# **********************************************************************
# Device configured by xf86config:
Section "Device"
Identifier "Trident"
VendorName "Trident"
BoardName "TGUI9680"
VideoRam 2048
#Clocks 25 28 45 36 57 65 50 40
EndSection
# **********************************************************************
# Screen sections
# **********************************************************************
# The Colour SVGA server
Section "Screen"
Driver "svga"
# Use Device "Generic VGA" for Standard VGA 320x200x256
#Device "Generic VGA"
Device "Trident"
Monitor "ProviewSa-769"
Subsection "Display"
Depth 8
Modes "1152x864A" "1152x864B" "1152x864C" "1152x864D" "1152x864E"
"1024x768A" "1024x768B" "640x480"
ViewPort 0 0
# Use Virtual 320 200 for Generic VGA
#Virtual 1024 768
EndSubsection
Subsection "Display"
Depth 16
Modes "1152x864A" "1152x864B" "1152x864C" "1152x864D" "1152x864E"
"1024x768A" "1024x768B" "640x480"
ViewPort 0 0
#Virtual 1024 768
EndSubsection
Subsection "Display"
Depth 24
Modes "640x480"
ViewPort 0 0
Virtual 640 480
EndSubsection
Subsection "Display"
Depth 32
Modes "640x480"
ViewPort 0 0
Virtual 640 480
EndSubsection
EndSection
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Marx vs. Nozick
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 00:17:47 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the 19 Jul 1999 15:57:40 -0400...
..and Greg Yantz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > Men are not animals.
>
> Oh, yes they are. Where *did* you grow up, boy? Some of us like to think
> that we are very special animals, because we can do things that no other
> animals can (so far as we know); that we are blessed with self-awareness.
See below.
> > > Humans most definitely *are* animals. Thinking that we're
> > > somehow special WRT the rest of wht lives on this planet
> > > is a dangerous form of hubris.
>
> Forgetting that humans are animals, that people also have an animal
> nature, is just very *dangerous*. Period.
I do not forget it. Full stop. (What does `period' mean?)
> > Nonsense. No matter how you argue, you won't get around the fact that
> > humans are capable of reasoned and abstract thought and that animals
> > don't.
>
> We have hunger and lust. We're animals. Until we get rid of those,
> we're animals. We can try to not let our animal natures rule our
> activites, however.
This is exactly why we are not animals.
> > > > Nature doing something in a certain way does not
> > > > imply that mankind should do it the same way; often it implies that
> > > > one should indeed do it the opposite way.
>
> Perhaps you should draw a distinction between the animal way of doing
> things (your "Nature") and a conscious/enlightened/self-aware (your "mankind")
> way of doing things.
>
> > > If you want to see it like that (and I didn't advance any
> > > form of this reasoning), then you're wrong. What we do
> > > is "nature". We're as much part of nature as anything else.
> > > Don't let 2000 years of judeo-christiansm cloud your thinking.
>
> There's nothing wrong with trying to use our vaunted intelligence
> to build something better than the State of Nature. You're just
> arguing over terms. Bloody pedant.
>
> > I'm not religious, and the influence of judeo-christianism on me is
> > pretty much zilch. Nevertheless, the fact remains that every human
> > culture so far has developed a philosophy that emphasises cooperation,
> > as opposed to the competition that is prevalent in nature.
>
> Where *did* you grow up, boy? You watch too much Star trek.
As a matter of fact, I don't watch Star Trek at all. Staying at the
subject, if you don't agree with this statement, please explain to me
why cultures tend to always come up with something equating the
`golden rule' independent of each other...
> > Social darwinist theories like anarcho-capitalism, libertarianism and
> > such are thus essentially barbarian.
>
> No.
>
> > > >> Anybody basing their concept of society on the false
> > > >> assumption that humans are by nature cooperative is
> > > >> living in cloud-cuckoo land.
>
> True enough. Some of us are, to a greater or lesser extent, and it does
> us credit. However, many (most?) aren't.
>
> [silliness snipped]
>
> > Of course that is based on human nature. You obviously misparsed me.
> > We should base our systems on human nature, not on false and
> > overgeneralising assumptions about human nature. Got me?
>
> That's a nice sentiment. You should pay attention to it. You, a German,
Oh, how nice, a domainist. (I'm ignoring the hidden insult.)
> of all people should be aware of how, even the most learned and civilized
> of nations is full of potentially bloodthirsty animals.
Now we will probably have got to shut the thread down, nevertheless
here goes: Nazism wasn't about humans turning into `bloodthirsty
animals'. That kind of thing happens, but Nazism was worse, as it was
destruction planned in cold blood.
> It's something you have to accept and guard against.
What do you think we're doing? Now already most of the fUSAmericans
talking about politics in the newsgroups look incredibly naif to me,
oversimplifying wherever they can... it's a good thing our nation is
traumatised, because it at least makes us think. Maybe the US should
be traumatised, too. I don't know.
mawa
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It don't get no funds.
We spend taxpayer's money,
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