Linux-Misc Digest #132, Volume #21 Fri, 23 Jul 99 05:13:10 EDT
Contents:
Re: CIA assassinations (Jim Richardson)
Re: Offline Newsreading (Calvin Ostrum)
Re: relaying denied ("Otha Stubblefield")
Re: netscape (James Stafford)
Re: Marx vs. Nozick (Matthias Warkus)
I f*cking don't believe it! (was: Marx vs. Nozick) (Matthias Warkus)
Re: CLI text editor for Windows (fred smith)
Re: CIA assassinations ("A.T.Z.")
Re: Help, I Need A Time Server (DHobbs)
Posting multipart binaries - HOW? (Sugata Mukhopadhyay)
Re: Help, I Need A Time Server (fred smith)
Re: parallel port Iomega Zip problem (Calvin Ostrum)
Re: Filesystem panic after forgetting to umount vfat partition (Calvin Ostrum)
Re: How do you pronounce "LINUX"?? (Paymaster)
Re: named question (Mark Brown)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 22:08:48 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 21 Jul 1999 13:56:17 GMT,
Arkadiusz Danilecki, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
brought forth the following words...:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Chris L wrote:
>>Richard Kulisz wrote in message <7msas0$qq2$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>> Then you would have 0% employment. What is the incentive for labor? Why
>>shouldn't a person have the opportunity to make a better (subjective)
>>lifestyle? Who says I don't need that extra car or second home on the lake
>>or that ski trip or whatever else I choose to buy with what I have?
> An opportunity to make your life better is quite different to born as
>rich... I mean my opinion is you make your money yourself - everything is ok,
>but if you get money only because you born in wealth family sth is unfair.
>It's not ok that some ppl can't even dream about buying second car, because
>they born in poor family and have no chances to change his/her situation.
> So the state should do sth to help poor's - even by taking money from
>the rich and giving them to the poor.
>A.D.Danilecki "szopen"
You would seem to have a computer, (unless you are borrowing one) which
makes you rich compared to 3/4ths of the world, so you will be sending most of
your money to deserving families in the 3rd world, yes?
--
Jim Richardson
Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Calvin Ostrum)
Subject: Re: Offline Newsreading
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 06:44:21 GMT
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Hermann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| Is there a good offline newsreader anywhere?
No.
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Calvin Ostrum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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People make their own history, but they do not make it just as they please;
they do not make it under circumstances chosen by themselves, but under
circumstances directly encountered, given and transmitted from the past.
-- Karl Marx, "The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte"
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From: "Otha Stubblefield" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: relaying denied
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 23:11:53 -0700
To thwart spammers who would cover their tracks by routing their spam
through SMTP's that did not require validation or direct connection to their
POP, many ISP's will not allow you to send mail that did not originate from
a client directly connected to one of their nodes, or send mail from an IP
address that cannot be validated.
For example, through my job's internet connection, I can read my pacbell.net
mail. I cannot send mail through pacbell.net, unless I am directly
connected through a dial up session. My job's mail server will allow me to
route my pacbell mail through them, so I set my mail preferences so that my
outgoing mail is routed through my job's SMTP, and not pacbell's.
Bob Tennent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:7n8dqq$ka9$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>I'm trying to use mail clients like tkrat and netscape messenger,
>but am getting the error message "relaying denied" when I try to
>send external mail. Local mail works OK and the mail command
>works. What is wrong? I have a network connection.
>
>Bob T.
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From: James Stafford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: netscape
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 00:04:46 -0700
Michel Catudal wrote:
>
> Thomas C Sobczynski wrote:
> >
> > Holczhammer Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > > I use netscape (4.5) under linux. When I click on a mailto-tag, netscape
> > > close itself automatically. Why?
> >
> > Did you download the full communicator, or navigator standalone?
> >
> > > (It was funny when I downloaded 35M from an 42M file)
> >
> > Um, what made you think this would work at all, if you didn't download
> > the whole thing? Download the newest Communicator, 4.61 I believe,
> > install it, and try again.
>
> That would be a bad move since 4.51 crash on many installation. I've
> got 3 PC so far that crash with these versions. 4.5 works sort of OK.
>
> --
> use OS/2 for a crash proof work environment
> use Linux for safe and quick internet access
> use Winblows to test the latest viruses
> http://www.netonecom.net/~bbcat/
> We have software, food, music, news, search,
> history, electronics and genealogy pages.
That's kind of strange since I installed 4.51 more than a month ago it
has never crashed! 4.5 used to crash sometimes.
jamess
--
"On the side of the software box, in the 'System Requirements' section,
it said 'Requires Windows 95 or better'. So I installed Linux."
-Anonymous
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Marx vs. Nozick
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 00:07:34 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Thu, 22 Jul 1999 19:37:03 GMT...
..and Peter Seebach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Matthias Warkus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >It was the Thu, 22 Jul 1999 03:03:29 GMT...
> >..and Peter Seebach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> >> Matthias Warkus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >Show me an animal that is intelligent, creative, literate and capable
> >> >of abstract thought. Then I'll agree with you.
>
> >> This is begging the question. If we are animals, then we are an example of
> >> animals capable of abstract thought. If we aren't, then we are not such an
> >> example.
>
> >> Now, that said, there's a number of documented behaviors in "animals" that
> >> look suspiciously like any of the above except 'literate'.
>
> >You are playing semantics games again.
>
> >"The only animal species that is intelligent, creative, literate and
> >capable of abstract thought" == "Man"
>
> Yes, but if you say that, then we are, in fact, an animal species. ;)
>
> >BTW, I'd like to see examples of animal creativity. As far as I know,
> >creativity as a voluntary act of creation is unknown to animals.
>
> There's some birds that decorate nests to attract mates. Birds whose nests
> are not aesthetically pleasing don't get mates.
I know about those birds, and I knew this would come up. If you show me that
1) the nests are decorated not just because of an instinctive
automatism
2) nests decorated by different birds in the same situation differ noticeably
3)
> BTW, some researchers argue
> that this is how we developed art, too; a way for an individual to rate
> the "fitness" of a given prospective mate.
>
> >> Your father is not a class, your father is an instant. If you have all
> >> of the defining traits of members of a class, you are a member of the class.
> >> e.g., you are a member of the group of "people named Matthias", even if
> >> you are not otherwise like any of them.
>
> >Semantics games again.
>
> Sorry, but no. You gave an analogy. Your analogy was flawed. You can't
> just handwave and say "oh, that's just semantics". All communication is,
> in large part, semantics.
The point is nevertheless that we haven't got all the defining traits
of members of the class `animals', while we've got some that no
animals has.
> >Of course we are biologically animals, but that's even more semantics
> >games, as we are not arguing about biology, but about what separates
> >Man from other biological animals.
>
> Are we? I thought we were arguing about whether or not we were animals.
Not in the biological sense.
mawa
--
X[11] is like pavement: once you figure out how to lay it on the
ground and paint yellow lines on it, there isn't much left to say
about it. [...] New developments are happening in things that run ON
TOP of the pavement, like cars [...] and motorcycles. -- E. O'Neil
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: I f*cking don't believe it! (was: Marx vs. Nozick)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 00:17:49 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the 22 Jul 1999 15:46:10 -0400...
..and Greg Yantz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus) writes:
>
> > It was the Wed, 21 Jul 1999 16:58:31 GMT...
> > ..and Peter Seebach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > > Matthias Warkus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > >Yes. But it is not *all* we do. Listen, this discussion seems to have
> > > >reached a standstill. You know the story of the optimist saying that
> > > >the glass is half full while the pessimist says that it's half empty?
>
> I never said it was *all* we do. In fact, I've said the opposite
> fairly frequently.
OK.
> > > >You, on the other hand, claim that as long as there is a trace of
> > > >instincts and animal nature left, we are animals, and not human.
>
> You clearly didn't read my automotive analogy very carefully. :)
Sorry.
[schnibble]
> > Then what is the problem if he accepts that we are different from
> > animals?
>
> I have. I do. Read my posts more carefully. I just keep pointing out
> that you should never neglect our animal side... You seem to focus
> on our intelligent, reasoning side to the exclusion of all else.
Now f*ck it. Will someone finally realise that just because I focus on
what's human in humans does not mean I see the world through pink
glasses? Ever since I've started the argument you're all trying to
paint me as some foolish, naif idiot. I've been called religious, I've
been more or less called a Trekkie, and one has implied that I am not
doing my duty at preventing fascism from happening again in my
country.
Where the hell am I here? I'm trying to make the argument that man has
evolved as far away from animals as to calling them not an animal
being legitimate. That's all. On the other hand, one tries to make me
look like a fool by playing stupid little games and making insulting
allusions and implications all of the time. Hell, I realise there is a
negative side to man, note that I don't consider man's worst faults to
be rudiments of its ancestry's instincts, but that IMHO they stem from
the human intellect which has always been a two-edged sword...
> > > >If you think so... Nevertheless, it was something animals would *not*
> > > >have been capable of. As cynical as it may sound, this, too, is *human
> > > >nature* and not *animal nature*. Of course it's the dark side of human
> > > >nature. But it is not animal behaviour. Animals do not commit
> > > >genocide or coldly plan systems of oppression and destruction.
>
> > > Actually, they do. At least, they have wars in which they try to wipe out
> > > completely competing tribes. Mostly primates, sure, but...
>
> Or ants. They wage wars for both reasons- extermination *and* enslavement.
Intelligently planned wars?
> > Why do you all shy away from a frontal assault and keep on arguing
> > about stupid little definition problems? Man is in so many various
> > ways different from other animals that he's not animal anymore. What's
> > the point?
>
> I do not and have not denied that man is different from other animals.
> I've even described some of the ways myself. However, a platypus is
> different from other animals, while still clearly being an animal.
You will however not find an animal which is as different from all the
other animals as man is different from them.
> We're complex creatures, with a dual nature. (Reread my bad automotive
> analogy...) You seem to not want to admit to half of our nature, and that's
> foolishness; it's dangerous wishful thinking.
See above. Will this crap ever cease?
mawa
--
Quality is not a cause of popularity; in fact, they are almost *never*
found together. MS Windows is the computer equivalent of burger chains
and bowling lanes. It is software that "works" only if you lower your
expectations to a point where you've [...] buried them. -- T. Moene
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (fred smith)
Subject: Re: CLI text editor for Windows
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 02:05:07 GMT
Brent Davies ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: I know that this is a Linux group, so please don't flame me for the posting.
: I'm asking here because the UNIX community seems to know a lot more about
: software packages than does the Windows community.
: I have 4 Linux servers and 1 NT Server (NT required by my client). I have
: SSH running on the NT Server (Just figured it out) and I need to CLI text
: editor for NT. I'm figuring that any such animal would probably be a port
: from UNIX.
: Does anyone know of a text editor, like PICO of VI, that has been ported to
: NT? Since even the DOS editor requires graphics to run, I can't use it over
: an SSH session.
Elvis is available as both a WIN32 (gui) binary and a DOS text-mode
binary. I've no idea if either of them will work over a text-only
remote login, though. I think there is also a Windoze version of Vim
but again am not knowledgeable of it.
You may wish to ask in comp.editors.
Fred
--
---- Fred Smith -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -----------------------------
"For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged
sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow;
it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart."
============================ Hebrews 4:12 (niv) ==============================
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From: "A.T.Z." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 09:11:54 +0200
Michael Powe schreef:
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> >>>>> "ATZ" == A T Z <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> >> >> I think redistribution is good preventative medicine. It
> >> solves a lot of >> problems. However, you can take a horse to
> >> water, but ... > >Yeah, learn the horse how to get water.
> >>
> >> Which costs money which these horses don't have. Which involves
> >> some kind of redistribution. I am not advocating "Robin Hood"
> >> politics, but rather policies that create opportunities for
> >> everyone. Even this requires a tax system and the tax system
> >> ultimately redistributes wealth regardless of how you try to
> >> slice it.
>
> ATZ> Redistribution smells like communism (read the original
> ATZ> posting from Arkadiusz Danilecki) .pl = Poland in the past
> ATZ> they were communists (some or a lot are still
> ATZ> communist). Redistribution of income means something else for
> ATZ> a communist then for a capitalist. When you say some form,
> ATZ> it doesn't smell like communism. But isn't that exactly what
> ATZ> is happening, social security provides income for people who
> ATZ> can't work for whatever the reason might be. When they want
> ATZ> to do something to fight this situation, then I think the
> ATZ> community (governement via tax) must do something to
> ATZ> help. All kinds of projects do. The ones who don't fight to
> ATZ> make a better life, do we really want to pay for them?? If
> ATZ> so, who is the "loser".
>
> In some societies, where resources are scarce, people are abandoned to
> die when they no longer can provide service to the community. In a
> society with a surfeit of wealth, there's no excuse for adopting that
> attitude.
In The Netherlands (here) nobody has to die because he or she doesn't have
a job. To many people without jobs are complaining about their situation
and they don't do a single thing to get a real job. I don't think I have
an attitude problem. If a person has good health and he or she can work,
he or she has to do everything to get a real job. For people who do not
succeed in getting a job social security should provide an income. Our
government has the policy that those people who don't want to find a job
get less money from social security. You can't compare the situation in
countries the way you do, some people would call it their culture and you
could really insult them with what you're saying.
> The answer to your question is: you're the "loser," a "man" whose
> morals are still those of that first creature to drop from the tree
> and walk upright on the ground.
Do you really want to insult me for my opinion?? And yes I would be a
loser if I was paying to much tax.
> mp
>
> - ------------------------------------------------------------------
> Michael Powe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Portland, Oregon USA http://www.trollope.org
> - --
> Amount of all stock owned by the least wealthy 90% of America: 18%
> Amount of all stock owned by the most wealthy 1% of America: 41%
> [Economic Policy Institute]
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From: DHobbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Help, I Need A Time Server
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 09:17:14 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Does anyone know how I can setup my Linux machine as
> a NTP time server for clients? What do I need so
> that I get clients to sychronize with my Linux machine?
Read this:
http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~mills/ntp/
Dan
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sugata Mukhopadhyay)
Subject: Posting multipart binaries - HOW?
Date: 23 Jul 1999 03:57:22 -0400
Greetings fellow Linux'ers!
Can anyone recommend a news program that handles *posting* of
binaries - essentially the base64 encoding and the splitting
into multiple parts if necessary? I currently use tin for
reading news, and it can handle reading binary files (the
pre-1.4 versions pipe to uudecode, and everything comes out
dandy), but I haven't figured out a way to post short of doing
the hard work myself.
TIA
Sugata
--
|
Sugata Mukhopadhyay | The time is gone, the song is over.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Thought I'd something more to say.
http://www.cs.cornell.edu/Info/People/sugata/home.html
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (fred smith)
Subject: Re: Help, I Need A Time Server
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 02:09:26 GMT
Quiney, Philip (EXCHANGE:HAL02:HM10) ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: >
: > Does anyone know how I can setup my Linux machine as
: > a NTP time server for clients? What do I need so
: > that I get clients to sychronize with my Linux machine?
: >
: You will need to setup the xntp package to do this. You will need to
: synchronise the Linux machine with an accurate clock, with an internet
: connection you can set xntp to use a time server on the net (your
: friendly ISP may have such a machine).
Alternatively, you can get Chrony. Chrony can be both a client and
a server, and works well on systems that are connected to the net either
only sometimes, or never at all. For example, my system connects a few
times a day for short periods, enough to stay in sync. I then run a
chrony client on the other LInux box here (and another compatible
client on the Windoze box) so that both of them use the chrony server
on "my" box as a ntp server (usually at stratum 3 or 4).
Chrony watches as your system clock drifts and figures how much to
trim it so it stays very near correct even when offline.;
See http://www.curnow.demon.co.uk/chrony/index.html, and good luck!
Fred
--
---- Fred Smith -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -----------------------------
"And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father,
Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government there will be no end. He
will reign on David's throne and over his kingdom, establishing and upholding
it with justice and righteousness from that time on and forever."
=============================== Isaiah 9:7 (niv) ==============================
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Calvin Ostrum)
Subject: Re: parallel port Iomega Zip problem
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 06:42:15 GMT
In <7n80hh$khm$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"www.Boxing-Connection.com" <@Boxing-Connection.com> wrote:
| Hi folks.
| I've been trying to get my parallel port Iomega Zip work on my Redhat 6.0.
|
| I've went thru the Howto's as follows.
|
| cd /usr/src/linux
| make xconfig
| scsi support = Y
| scsi disk support = Y
| Iomega zip support as a module
| printer support also as a module
| save it and exit
| make dep
| make clean
| make zImage or zlilo or zdisk
| make modules
| make modules_install
I think you are probably going through a lot
more work than necessary. I recently upgraded
my RH 5.0 kernel from 2.0.32 to 2.2.5-10, and
parallel-port zip-drive support was already
included in that kernel as a module, just as
it had been in the earlier kernels for quite
a while. In none of those cases was it
necessary to recompile the kernel.
| I do that. But when I do:
|
| insmod ppa
|
| it gives out:
|
| /lib/modules/2.2.5-15/scsi/ppa.p:
| unresolved symbol parport_claim_....
| unresolved symbol parport_register_...
| unresolved symbol parport_unregister_...
| unresolved symbol parport_enumerate_...
| unresolved symbol parport_release_...
The 2.2.5-10 kernel also had support for the
parallel port itself included as a module, so this had
to be insmod'ed before the ppa could be insmod'ed.
I'm not using Linux right now, and I don't
remember exactly what it was called
(more than one module) but it's pretty
easy to tell by looking in the modules
directory.
I noticed that unlike the older kernels,
this new one allows you to have both printers
and zip drives using the port simultaneously,
whereas previously, one had to remove and install
the modules as one wanted to use them. That's
an improvement.
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Calvin Ostrum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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People make their own history, but they do not make it just as they please;
they do not make it under circumstances chosen by themselves, but under
circumstances directly encountered, given and transmitted from the past.
-- Karl Marx, "The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte"
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Calvin Ostrum)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Filesystem panic after forgetting to umount vfat partition
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 06:40:29 GMT
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Jon Bloom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| I see that others have mentioned the slocate cron job and how to keep it
| from indexing your FAT partition. I just want to add that I run RH 6.0
| with a constantly mounted vfat partition. Until I got annoyed by the
| uninteresting DOS files locate returned, I was letting the cron job
| index that partition and never had a problem. So it seems likely that
| your vfat partition is corrupt. If I were you, I'd boot into Windows and
| run Scandisk on that drive pronto.
I second this. I don't have RH 6.0 but on RH 5.0 I have vfats
mounted all the time, and run the updatedb program on them.
However, sometime in the past (when I wasn't doing this), I got
error messages similar to the ones described earlier, and it
was indeed due to a messed up vfat partition, which had resulted
from an ugly attempt to triple boot Windows 3.1, Windows 95,
and Linux. Unfortunately, the old CHKDSK (I had jettisoned
the Windows 95 as too slow) didn't detect anything wrong
although it was clear there were problems there.
It may be that you don't want to run updatedb on your
vfat partitions, but it would be a pretty depressing situation
if for some strange unaccounted for reason, it was not even
*possible* to do so, and the proper course of action had
to be, "don't ask why, just don't do that".
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Calvin Ostrum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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People make their own history, but they do not make it just as they please;
they do not make it under circumstances chosen by themselves, but under
circumstances directly encountered, given and transmitted from the past.
-- Karl Marx, "The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte"
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From: Paymaster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How do you pronounce "LINUX"??
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 04:10:37 +0600
"lin-yooks".
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From: Mark Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: named question
Date: 23 Jul 1999 08:27:54 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Wueppelmann) writes:
> root servers myself). I'm not sure if this is how DNS works -- does named
> first check to see if it can answer the query itself or is what I am
> attempting to do impossible?
If it knows the answer already, it won't go asking other servers. The
Networking Guide (that's not the correct title...) from the LDP has a
section on this, and is generally an excellent introduction to
networking.
> Right now, named correctly does nslookups on any host with an
> Internet-visible IP address, but it is also sending requests for lookups on
> my local machines to the root servers, which of course isn't going to work.
You need to tell bind about your local addresses.
> I can access all of my local machines by name or number (i.e. I can ping
> them, telnet to them, etc.) but I assume that's still being done by the
> static routing tables.
The information will come from /etc/hosts if that's set up.
--
Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness)
http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/
EUFS http://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/
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