Linux-Misc Digest #137, Volume #21 Fri, 23 Jul 99 15:13:10 EDT
Contents:
Re: Shortcomings of Linux? (Anthony Ord)
Re: Shortcomings of Linux? (Anthony Ord)
Re: Iomega ZIP parallel zip drive under red hat linux 6.0 problem solved (Jonathan C
Busey)
Re: Gnome and redhat 6.0 problem???? ("John Hansknecht")
Re: HP CD-RW Supported by RH 6.0? ("Youngert")
Re: uncompressing a "tar.gz." (Alex Feinnerg)
Re: Root Window Fun. (Alex Feinnerg)
Re: How do you pronounce "LINUX"?? (The Great Josh)
Re: mount cdrom, floppy, and windows as user??? (toby)
Re: HP CD-RW Supported by RH 6.0? (David T. Blake)
Re: .bashrc not loading (Thomas Zajic)
Re: mount cdrom, floppy, and windows as user??? (Perry Pip)
Re: .bashrc not loading (Gergo Barany)
Re: .bashrc not loading (Steffan O'Sullivan)
Re: 3C575 Cardbus Adapter (Michael Perry)
Re: Marx vs. Nozick (Peter Seebach)
Re: Marx vs. Nozick (Peter Seebach)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Anthony Ord)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Shortcomings of Linux?
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 17:50:26 GMT
On Thu, 22 Jul 1999 04:48:01 GMT, "Jeffrey D. Webster"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Chris Lee wrote:
>> In article <7n46iq$cjj$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
<snip>
>> >Frankly, this is getting ridiculuos. Obviously you don't KNOW
>> >that MS-CHAP is a problem. Fine, so you have been lucky enough
>> >to never run across it. That does not mean that the problem
>> >does not exist. It DOES exist, as thousands of users can testify.
>> >Denying a problem just because you have been lucky enough to
>> >never encounter it is just a sign of arrogance.
>>
>> It isn't me dude. A hell of a lot of people in the newsgroups I mentioned
>> are using pppd on linux and other OS's to connect to NT 4.0 servers using
>> PAP and not MS-CHAP. This blows your stupid comment that everybody is using
>> MS-CHAP out of the water.
>
> I didn't see him state that "everybody" is using it.
--- START INSERT ---
On 18 Jul 1999 18:00:18 GMT, Holger Kruse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>But it does work. MS-CHAP was extremely unpopular, broke
>some PPP implementations, has major security flaws (even in
>V2), yet Microsoft pushed it through by implementing it
>in 95/98/NT, and now everybody is using it. Even third parties
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>were forced to implement it, or they would have lost market
>share.
---END INSERT ---
>Making this stuff up
>as we go a long, are we?
Obviously Chris Lee isn't making it up is he?
I believe you have an apology to make to him.
>Regards,
>Jeffrey D. Webster
Regards
Anthony
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Anthony Ord)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Shortcomings of Linux?
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 17:50:28 GMT
On Mon, 19 Jul 1999 23:43:17 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim
Richardson) wrote:
>On Mon, 19 Jul 1999 17:11:48 GMT,
> Anthony Ord, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> brought forth the following words...:
>
>>No. If Microsoft implement something that prevents their
>>stuff talking to the servers, then people will stop buying
>>their OS. That might seem hard to believe, but their
>>resistance means nothing against the Internet. They have
>>proved this themselves. How a juggernaut does a hand-brake
>>turn...
>>
>>>Happens all the time. It happened with MS-CHAP and later
>>>again with PPTP.
>>
>>PPTP is different because it is an end-to-end protocol. It
>>gets moved from source to destination by the magic of RFCs.
>>
>>Are people still using PPTP? Even after all the holes that
>>were picked out of it?
>
>there's even a linux implementation now, although I don't know if
>it's any good.
It can't be worse than the M$ implementation in which the
key could be guessed with the application of a little CPU
power.
GRE is also available which is better.
Regards
Anthony
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| And when our worlds |
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| When the walls come tumbling in |
| Though we may deserve it |
| It will be worth it - Depeche Mode |
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jonathan C Busey)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Iomega ZIP parallel zip drive under red hat linux 6.0 problem solved
Date: 23 Jul 1999 17:15:12 GMT
if auto-detect is on your cabel, it is a zip plus.
type as root:
insmod imm
then mount your drive and enjoy.
Jon
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From: "John Hansknecht" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Gnome and redhat 6.0 problem????
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 20:34:46 -0400
Tim Barber wrote;
> You might want to upgrade your Gnome packages first. There were some
> bugs in the Gnome install under RH 6.0
What would be the upgrade version for the Gnome package?
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From: "Youngert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: HP CD-RW Supported by RH 6.0?
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 17:51:43 -0400
You did not mention if your HP CD-RW 7200+ drive is an IDE or SCSI drive.
However, I assumed it is an IDE CD-RW. Having declared that, the next thing
to do is to determine if this HP CD-RW drive is supported under Linux. To
do so, you need either do the following:
1. Install the HOWTO doc that comes with the RedHat-6.0 and start reading
the "CD Writing HOWTO".
2. If item #1 is not preferable, you can read the "CD Writing HOWTO" off the
Internet using your web browser. One best site that carries wuch HOWTO is
http://metalab.unc.edu/Linux/HOWTO/CD-Writing-HOWTO.html.
The "CD Writing HOWTO" should be able to point out where you can download a
set of software packages that works for your Linux and your CD-RW drive.
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Jack Steen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I have recently upgraded to RedHat Linux 6.0 with the pre-compiled
> kernel on both my laptop and a newly constructed Pentium II desktop at
> home. The desktop machine has a Hewlett-Packard CD-RW 7200 Plus drive.
> The SW recognizes it as a CD drive, but of course I would like to be
> able to use the CD-R and perhaps the CD-RW capabilities under Linux. I
> have conducted a moderate search of the web, but have not come across
> anything saying that someone had done this. Does anyone know of a
> reference to HP CD-RW support under Linux?
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alex Feinnerg)
Subject: Re: uncompressing a "tar.gz."
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 23 Jul 99 16:39:08 GMT
Hello Judy,
Simple, gzip -d file.tar.gz the tar xvf file.tar
Or on a new Linux system just use tar zxvf file.tar.gz
> How do you uncompress or unzip a file that is downloaded with an
> extension of "tar.gz."? Thanks for the help
>
> Judy
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alex Feinnerg)
Subject: Re: Root Window Fun.
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 23 Jul 99 16:43:21 GMT
Use xv (it ships with most Linux distro's, if not find it on yahoo or
something ;-)
Type this:
xv -root -quit -max file.jpg
Also, check out Window Maker (another window manager for X) which has
a utility called wmsetbg. Type this with it:
wmsetbg /full/path/to/file.jpg
>
>
> I need a command that can display JPGs on the root window for X11R6. Xli
> dosen't work and xpmroot only works for XPM files ARGH!
>
>
>
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From: The Great Josh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How do you pronounce "LINUX"??
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 13:01:55 +0000
Donn Miller wrote:
> On 21 Jul 1999, Paul Anderson wrote:
>
> > Carlos Moreno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > >Ditto. Maybe a dumb question, but English is not my mother language,
> > >so I'm curious about this.
> > >
> > Pronounce it however you wish to pronounce it, to specify a single
> > pronunciation as right and all others as wrong would be like saying that vi is
> > The One True Editor(tm), and all others would only be used by idiots. Linux
> > is about choice.
>
> Since "Linux" was coined by combining UNIX and Linus, I would say just
> pronounce it much like you pronounce "Linus" in your own language. ;-)
>
> Donn
To put an end to all debate, listen to Linus
http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/SillySounds/english.au
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From: toby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: mount cdrom, floppy, and windows as user???
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 14:37:33 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> I'm having trouble mounting floppy, cdrom and a windows partition as
> regular user. I used linuxconf to set them user-mountable, but it
> doesn't work. Any ideas guys?
A snip from my /etc/fstab:
/dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom iso9660
noauto,ro,user 0 0
notice the user argument. just do the same for any drive you want to be
mountable by users other than root.
Toby
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David T. Blake)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: HP CD-RW Supported by RH 6.0?
Date: 23 Jul 1999 17:52:35 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Jack Steen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Does anyone know of a
> reference to HP CD-RW support under Linux?
If cdrecord does not support it, it is unsupported.
However, the maintainers of cdrecord are completely insane
when it comes to supporting everything they can get specs
for. To their credit.
See
http://www.fadden.com/cdrfaq/faq.html
and
http://www.fokus.gmd.de/nthp/employees/schilling/cdrecord.html
http://www.fokus.gmd.de/research/cc/glone/employees/\
joerg.schilling/private/cdrecord/hp.html
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Dave Blake
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Zajic)
Subject: Re: .bashrc not loading
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 17:57:34 GMT
On Fri, 23 Jul 1999 15:44:04 GMT, Steffan O'Sullivan wrote:
> Still a newbie ... I put my aliases into my .bashrc file, ran
> "source .bashrc"
> and they work fine - no error messages or execution problems.
> But when I login the next day, .bashrc is not automatically loaded. I
> have to type the command "source .bashrc" in order to get my aliases.
> Once again, when I do this, they execute flawlessly and there are no
> errors - so it's not an improperly constructed .bashrc file.
> What am I doing wrong? How can I get .bashrc to load automatically
> when I login?
AFAIK, .bashrc is only read when starting non-login shells. For
login shells, try putting your aliases in ~/.bash_profile (or
simply make a symlink). Have a look at 'man bash' for details.
HTH,
Thomas
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Perry Pip)
Subject: Re: mount cdrom, floppy, and windows as user???
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 18:01:13 GMT
On Fri, 23 Jul 1999 16:42:24 +0000, root <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I'm having trouble mounting floppy, cdrom and a windows partition as
>regular user. I used linuxconf to set them user-mountable, but it
>doesn't work. Any ideas guys?
>
Post a copy of your /etc/fstab file and tell us what command your are
typing to mount and what error message you are getting.
Perry
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gergo Barany)
Subject: Re: .bashrc not loading
Date: 23 Jul 1999 18:47:01 GMT
In article <fn2m3.902$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Steffan O'Sullivan wrote:
>Patrick M. Geahan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Steffan O'Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>: What am I doing wrong? How can I get .bashrc to load automatically
>>: when I login?
>>
>>Well - to start out with, are you sure you're using bash?
>
>I think I am, yes. Is there a command I can use to tell for sure -
>something like whoami, but that returns my shell?
>
>I've used tcsh on unix for a dozen years, so am used to that - I'm new
>to bash. But since it's the default in linux, I believe I chose it as
>my shell during the setup.
Look at your entry in /etc/password.
Gergo
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Subject: Re: .bashrc not loading
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steffan O'Sullivan)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 18:19:55 GMT
Patrick M. Geahan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Steffan O'Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>: What am I doing wrong? How can I get .bashrc to load automatically
>: when I login?
>
>Well - to start out with, are you sure you're using bash?
I think I am, yes. Is there a command I can use to tell for sure -
something like whoami, but that returns my shell?
I've used tcsh on unix for a dozen years, so am used to that - I'm new
to bash. But since it's the default in linux, I believe I chose it as
my shell during the setup.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Perry)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: 3C575 Cardbus Adapter
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 17:21:26 -06-59
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, 10 Jul 1999 17:33:16 -0700, Patrick Smith
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I am running RH6.0 with kernel 2.2.5-15. If I upgraded to 2.2.5-22 will
>there be support for this card? If not how would I go about getting a
>driver for this without have to compile anything?
>
>Thanks,
>Patrick Smith
>
>
>
The issue may not be with the kernel level whatsoever but may be with pcmcia
services or the kernel level you are running at now. Is the card a true
32bit cardbus pc card? You may want to check out the linux laptops page for
information on supported devices for pcmcia. I have tried to get a Xircom
32bit cardbus card working the last few days and finally went back to a
16bit version of Xircom's multi-function card. I am anticpating that this
is a pc card for a laptop? If so, the laptop pcmcia page has a lot of good
information on different card types supported by the most recent pcmcia-cs
pack.
Take care.
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Marx vs. Nozick
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Seebach)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 18:20:27 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Noah Roberts (jik-) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Actually I would say this is survival instinct in animals.
>Exterminate the enemy so that they can't exterminate you, enslave the
>enemy in order to get more done to feed or house the nest. Also, when
>exterminated the enemy usually gets eaten...so its also a source of
>food for the nest :P
Can you demonstrate that it's not just "survival instinct" in us?
We have demonstrated that people make up explanations after the fact for
"inexplicable" behaviors. Perhaps this is another one where we have "reasons"
but it's really just a survival instinct that isn't well-adapted to our
environment.
-s
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Marx vs. Nozick
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Seebach)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 18:15:48 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Matthias Warkus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I know about those birds, and I knew this would come up. If you show me that
>1) the nests are decorated not just because of an instinctive
>automatism
This is unprovable, but it is just as unprovable that Picasso decorated "not
just because of an instinctive automatism".
>2) nests decorated by different birds in the same situation differ noticeably
This is, as I recall, the case.
Which makes sense; the nest is an external representation of the internal
state of the bird; selecting based on well-designed nests selects for
well-designed birds.
>> Sorry, but no. You gave an analogy. Your analogy was flawed. You can't
>> just handwave and say "oh, that's just semantics". All communication is,
>> in large part, semantics.
>The point is nevertheless that we haven't got all the defining traits
>of members of the class `animals', while we've got some that no
>animals has.
That is not the point you were arguing. I said that we have the
characteristics of animals (we do), and therefore we are animals, because
that's how we tell whether or not something is an animal. You responded
with the analogy about having characteristics of your father, which was a
bad analogy.
No, if you want to argue that we have characteristics that no "other" animal
has (humor me for a moment), and then show that, because of the special nature
of those characteristics, we ought to be considered to be our own class of
things, that's a plausible argument... but it's not the one you've made.
I'm also not sure what the characteristics would be. Sea otters will learn
to use tools, and a sea otter that observes the use of a given tool will start
using that tool, even if it never used it before. Cats play. Elephants seem
to communicate.
>> Are we? I thought we were arguing about whether or not we were animals.
>Not in the biological sense.
Okay, that's an argument I can buy, perhaps. What is the non-biological sense
of the word in which we are not animals? Do you think anything else is not
animals in the same way?
-s
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