Linux-Misc Digest #137, Volume #25 Sat, 15 Jul 00 04:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Lucent winmodem Works (Malcolm)
Re: Why isn't [X]Emacs a word processor? (Robert Heller)
Converting Pegasus Mail folders etc. to Unix mbox etc ("D. D. Brierton")
Re: Converting Pegasus Mail folders etc. to Unix mbox etc ("D. D. Brierton")
Re: resizing partitions in linux ("David ..")
Sound Blaster Live and Redhat 6.1 (2.2.16) (Shyam Govardhan)
ftpacess logs - where are they? (Jack)
Re: setting system time from internet host (Akira Yamanita)
snafu 0.11 available ("Uncle")
Re: resizing partitions in linux (E J)
Re: How to setup dialup account in Corel Linux?? (James E. Paschal, Sr.)
Adding multiple users easily ("Scott")
Aria Sound Card by IBM? (James E. Paschal, Sr.)
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From: Malcolm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Lucent winmodem Works
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 02:02:23 -0400
Hi,
I am new to Linux and running RedHat 6.1 Kernel 2.2.12-20. I have my
Lucent winmodem working and figured I would post it as I see many
questions on winmodems.
Computer AMD450
Mobo - Epox MVP4
Onboard Sound chip VIA 82686
Onboard video Trident Blade 3D /VIA AGP MVP4
Lucent winmodem
64 Meg RAM (8 reserved for video)
Running - Win 98 : Win 95B : Win 3.1 : Linux Red Hat 6.1
Linux set up as a Gnome workstation only.
How I set up winmodem : In the BIOS, I disabled Com port 1 ( the
winmodem has its own com port). Mine is set up for
com port 1 and IRQ 4. My Mobo also has a choice under
the Power Setup, for selecting an IRQ for the modem, I
chose N/A for this (this is for wake up on ring).
I also chose PNP OS - No and Auto select
Get linux568.zip from Lucent web site
Unzip the package to an empty directory in linux
system. As root : run - ./ltinst - This should create
/dev/modem as a symlink to /dev/ttyS14
(in my system).
Then I ran Gnome Internet setup and chose /dev/modem
as the default device at 115200. Set up the phone
number for my ISP. I was OK to connect at that point.
I updated the rp3 RPM for Red Hat dialer to prevent two
tries to connect.
Next setup the DNS I used whois.com to find the DNS for my ISP. My
ISP dynamically
assigns IP addresses (changes every time I connect) so I had to
set - search "myisp.net" (your ISP provider). As root run
linuxconf
and after it opens select : Config | Networking | Client Tasks |
Name Server Specifications | (DNS) |
IP of Name Server 1 (123.123.123.123)
IP of Name Server 2 (123.123.123.234)
Search Domain 1(opt) www.myisp.net
After the above it works like a charm. I am new to linux, but if
I
can help with anything send me an e-mail (remove "zzz" from
e-mail address).
Malcolm
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From: Robert Heller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why isn't [X]Emacs a word processor?
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 06:17:55 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William W.),
In a message on Fri, 14 Jul 2000 04:04:48 GMT, wrote :
WW> In our last episode (Wed, 12 Jul 2000 21:55:25 GMT),
WW> the artist formerly known as Robert Heller said:
WW> >
WW> >The definition of the term "Word Processing" has changed over the
WW> >years.
WW>
WW> Or, perhaps, "word processing" and "desktop publishing" have fused
WW> somewhat.
Essentially, but there is a bit more to it.
WW>
WW> >In the "old days" of daisy wheel / golf ball / 9-pin printers,
WW> >which were all single mono-spaced font, non graphical printers,
WW> >[X]Emacs (and its precursors, ed and teco), would have been quite
WW> >properly considered WYSIWYG "Word Processors", although the term did
WW> >not really exist as such.
WW>
WW> The term couldn't be properly applied. In the first place, emacs
WW> only edits text; it has no native format for handling things like
WW> pagination, paragraph control, centering, and so forth. In addition,
This is true, but since a lot of these old printers were so 'primitive'
by todays standards, and because what passed for a 'video display' was
equally 'primitive' (VT100), people were less inclined to want to bother
with 'formatting' games for trivial documents, like memos and the like.
Now people are using MS-Word, complete with all sorts of
bells-and-whistles, for documents that don't really need such treatment.
WW> what you see in the vi or emacs display doesn't necessarily resemble
WW> what you see on the printed page:
WW>
WW> .p
WW> Even without using a proper
WW>
WW> <em>markup language:</em>
WW>
WW> A page
WW> ^L
WW> break doesn't look on the screen the way it looks on the printer. The
WW> same goes for u^H_n^H_d^H_e^H_r^H_l^H_i^H_n^H_e^H_d^H_ text,
WW> b^Hbo^Hol^Hld^Hd text, compound characters like the pound sign (L^Hf)
WW> and so forth. (Bold ASCII doesn't really work on my laser printer, but
WW> I expect it would work on any other kind. But all of the ASCII control
WW> characters can certainly be used -- in a WYSIWIG word processor, control
WW> sequences aren't displayed, but rather their effect on the printed
WW> document is simulated.)
WW>
WW> >At this time (with 300dpi and higher
WW> >graphical printers) "Word Processing" basicly means what MS-Word does
WW> >-- MS-Word is a WYSIWYG editor / document preparation system. MS-Word
WW> >edits AND formats documents. [X]Emacs only edits text files.
WW>
WW> A word processing document, though, is nothing more than a text file
WW> with embedded control sequences, much like HTML or TeX. A word
WW> processor treats the control sequences and the target text as different
WW> kinds of things, and presents them to the user accordingly. (Though it
WW> is possible to toggle the display of things like field codes on many
WW> word processors.) What separates a word processor from a text editor is
WW> that a word processor only edits files of certain formats, whereas a
WW> text editor can edit an arbitrarily-formatted text file. Word
WW> processors also include facilities for processing (e.g. printing) the
WW> formatted text. Word processors can be said to _include_ a text editor,
WW> though they are usually very limited in functionality and have features
WW> that might make it easier to edit documents destined for print, but
WW> which cause problems when trying to edit other types of text, such as C
WW> code.
Right.
WW>
WW>
WW> >[X]Emacs
WW> >does not do all of the things "Word Processing" has come to mean.
WW>
WW> Nor did it ever.
WW>
WW> >LaTeX does everything MS-Word does (and more), except 'edit'. LaTeX is
WW> >a "Documentation Preparation System", but it is not a WYSIWYG "Word
WW> >Processor". [X]Emacs + ispell + LaTeX will produce, *as a final
WW> >output*, documents of much the same sort as MS-Word
WW>
WW> Except not so poorly-formatted :-)
Of Course.
WW>
WW> >(multiple *variable
WW> >spaced* fonts, embedded graphics, etc.) except that the file you edit
WW> >with [X]Emacs (eg foo.tex), won't look (on the screen) anything like what
WW> >it will look once you have fed it through LaTeX and dviXXX and sent it
WW>
WW> I think this conclusion is based on a superficial examination of the
WW> interfaces of the two systems. I think you'll find fundamental
WW> differences between a program like Word and a program like LaTeX that go
WW> far beyond cosmetic issues like WYSIWYG versus YAFIYGI interfaces. The
WW> kinds of documents LaTeX was designed to produce (and the quality with
WW> which it produces them) are well out of Word's realm of capability, or
WW> at least practical capability. Likewise, many of the kinds of documents
WW> Word is commonly used to produce (memos, newsletters, and other quickie,
WW> disposable documents with simple formatting) tend to be somewhat awkward
WW> with LaTeX, whose overhead is often too great for these quick,
WW> one-of-a-kind (i.e. can't be created from templates) documents.
Actually, I use LaTeX for lots of things -- Business Letters, flyers,
posters, recently for a press release (LaTeX => dvips => efax
(ps=>tiffg3)). For silly memos, a plain text file is actually best --
using MS-Word is pure overkill. I find that MS-Word is over used and
LaTeX is under-used. And yes, LaTeX (and TeX in general) is far more
powerful than MS-Word and has a far greater capacity with a far smaller
'footprint' than MS-Word. LaTeX was quite functional on an Atari 1040
ST running OS-9/68K. 1 meg of RAM, a 10mhz 68000, a 20meg hard drive,
and it handled a 100+ page document (not fast, but that was not the
point). A P133 with 32meg of RAM and a 2gig hard drive *quickly*
barfed on a mere PHD thesis (WinNT 4.0 + MS-Word) (yeah, it had lots of
big graphics, but still...).
But, yes, LaTeX does produce a very different class of document.
Partly because it is really a much more powerful system and partly
because it looks as the whole process from a very different point or
view: MS-Word uses a *visual* design. Which is really the *wrong* way
to produce a *document* -- ask any *real* 7th grade English teacher.
LaTeX *requires* you to *logically* design your document and in fact
makes it hard to design a document just for 'looks'. And since you
can't easily fiddle with things like margins and stuff, you are
*forced* to concentrate on what you are *saying*. What I am seeing
these days are lots of documents that look 'pretty', but that don't say
anything -- generally not worth printing out. Ever. As far as I am
concerned, a file ending in .doc is generally not worth reading -- 90%
of the time, there is no content. Unleashing a house cat on a computer
keyboard focused on an Emacs window would produce much more worthwhile
reading... The only good .doc file is a file that has been fed to rm.
WW>
WW> --
WW> It is pitch black.
WW> You are likely to be spammed by a grue.
WW>
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From: "D. D. Brierton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Converting Pegasus Mail folders etc. to Unix mbox etc
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 07:17:25 +0000
I know this is strictly off-topic for this newsgroup, but given that so
many linux users are ex-Windows users, and given the ubiquity of Pegasus
mail on that platform, I thought someone here might be able to help.
Like many others, I suspect, I ended up being a Pegasus mail user on
Windows less out of choice and more out of the fact that it was simply
the default mail application on most of the machines I've ever had to
use at work. As a result I have a huge amount of mail, in a fairly
complex hierarchy of trays and folders, in Pegasus' proprietary format,
plus address books, distribution lists etc. What's worse, many of these
folders have as their real (i.e.file) name things like fold0071.pmm.
Does anyone know of a utility that will convert *all*, or failing that,
*virtually all* of this into something linux-friendly? I've found
several utilities, including a nifty perl script by E. Heyns which
convert pegasus folders into mbox format, but generally the tray/folder
hierarchy is lost and the mboxes end up called things like fold0071.mbox
instead of what they are known to Pegasus as. I have found nothing which
succesfully converted any of my address books. Given the large number
of folders and trays that I have, recreating the hierarchy and renaming
all the folders is a less than attractive option.
I am hoping to eventually use Evolution as my mailer, and am for the
meantime using kmail, if that is of any use.
Thanks in advance for any help/suggestions,
Best,
Darren
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D. D. Brierton Department of Philosophy, University of Edinburgh
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cogsci.ed.ac.uk/~ddb
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From: "D. D. Brierton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Converting Pegasus Mail folders etc. to Unix mbox etc
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 07:20:57 +0000
P.S. I have been using the most recent version of Pegasus Mail
(version 3.12c, I think, although I can't tell as I'm posting from
linux).
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D. D. Brierton Department of Philosophy, University of Edinburgh
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cogsci.ed.ac.uk/~ddb
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From: "David .." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: resizing partitions in linux
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 01:14:09 -0500
Craig A Lebowitz wrote:
>
> I'm running Red Hat 6.2 and I'd like to get rid of Windows and resizem
> my linux partition. Can anyone suggest the best way to do this? I
> really don't want to mess up my config at this point.
There is a program named "parted" available at:
http://linux.davecentral.com/5532_fileman.html
> Also - what is a good way to see where HD space is being used on my
> filesystem? I haven't found an easy way to do this. I have KDE and
> GNOME available. TIA.
df -h
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Registered with the Linux Counter. http://counter.li.org
ID # 123538
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From: Shyam Govardhan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Sound Blaster Live and Redhat 6.1 (2.2.16)
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 06:44:45 GMT
Hi there,
I want to buy a sound card for my machine. My budget is $200. My
research shows that
Sound Blaster Live is a good buy. I could not find it listed on the
RH6.1 Hardware Compatibility List.
Will SoundBlaster Live work on RH6.1 with the 2.2.16 Kernel.
My main aim is to play MP3s and use Real Player 7. Has anyone got this
working?
Do you have any other suggestions?
Thanks.
- Shyam
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From: Jack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: ftpacess logs - where are they?
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 14:45:34 +0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
hi,
if i have:
log transfers anonymous,real inbound,outbound
in my /etc/ftpaccess file, where exactly ie which file is this information logged in?
thanks
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From: Akira Yamanita <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: setting system time from internet host
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 06:55:11 GMT
Rolf von Kuhlmann wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> for some reason I have a problem with my system time. When I use my
> "sleep" button to
> save some energy during lunch or so, the system time seems to be halted
> as well.
>
> How can I set the correct system time with a little program, that
> connects to some
> "time server" via internet, gets the time and exits. I'v heard about
> this, but can't find out the right web-pages and/or programs.
>
> Can anyone help?
>
> Cheers,
> Rolf
Try "hwclock -hctosys" to synchronize the system time to the
hardware clock after you've taken it out of sleep mode.
To set the date from a public time server, I use rdate.
ex. rdate -s bitsy.mit.edu
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From: "Uncle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.portable,comp.os.linux.security,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: snafu 0.11 available
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 07:04:18 GMT
Hello folks. Got a new version for everyone to try out.
point yer browser at:
http://www.geekcave.net/snafu.shtml
to get it.
New things in 0.11:
- configuration script
- rpmgt - rpm package manager/viewer for cmdline junkies
- some more menu selections
- the beginings of centralization and configuration stuff.
I'm planning to redesign the way snafu works next. What
I'm hopeing to work out is a way to customize the menus
and their functions without much fuss from within snafu.
The idea is that as problems aries or your installing something
new, snafu can be tailored to help speed up the debug/config
process by providing access to the files your editing and views
of the log entries you need to see.
While I have ideas on how im going to go about this, I'd love
to get ideas on how to go about modifying the menus with in the
program. Also, I will be porting this over to SCO sometime next week.
I would like to get this ported to as many platforms as I can.
Unfortunately, I only have access to linux and SCO unix. If anyone
would care to set up s.n.a.f.u. on any of the unix flavors and their way
of logging/configing, i would love to hear from you. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I'm also planning on adding some monitoring deamons that can be
setup and control inside snafu or via the traditional command line.
I've recived some requests to have snafu watch for things like
reversce ICMP checksum errors and the like and have it
email them when it happens. I'm looking for anything y'all
would want to be notified of occuring at the time it happens.
Thats it this time. Thanks to everyone's interest and emails.
look forward to hearing from you.
Uncle
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.geekcave.net
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From: E J <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: resizing partitions in linux
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:11:57 -0700
If you have money, Partition Magic does a good job of getting Windows and
resizing Linux.
If you don't have money, use linux fdisk to remove the Windows partition
and download ext2resize to resize your Linux partition from the Redhat
mirror sites for RH6.2 Powertools.
Craig A Lebowitz wrote:
> I'm running Red Hat 6.2 and I'd like to get rid of Windows and resizem
> my linux partition. Can anyone suggest the best way to do this? I
> really don't want to mess up my config at this point.
>
> Also - what is a good way to see where HD space is being used on my
> filesystem? I haven't found an easy way to do this. I have KDE and
> GNOME available. TIA.
>
> craig
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (James E. Paschal, Sr.)
Subject: Re: How to setup dialup account in Corel Linux??
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 07:44:21 GMT
Here's what solved my problem::
Corel's original /etc/ppp/options file does not work out of
the "box". It needs to be replaced. Try entering this in the
"console": mv /etc/ppp/options /etc/ppp/options-orig
touch /etc/ppp/options
Hope this helps,
Ernie
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, 14 Jul 2000 23:30:07 GMT, Halwapuri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I recently installed corel linux on my machine. I tried to configure the
>dial up utility that came along with it but with no success. I used the
>DNS numbers provided by my isp. The utility recognizes the modem. But,
>when it dials in, it just gives a modem initializing message...and thats
>it. Why??
>
>Please help if u know how to setup or if i am doing something wrong. my
>modem is com port 2 in windows.
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>Hal
>
>--
>Posted via CNET Help.com
>http://www.help.com/
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From: "Scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Adding multiple users easily
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 17:54:07 +1000
Hi guys,
Looking for a script/program to add a large number of user accounts from a
file to a slackware linux machine in a school environment. Also, does anyone
know where to find a similar prodct to add users from a html page?
Thanks,
Scott
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (James E. Paschal, Sr.)
Subject: Aria Sound Card by IBM?
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 07:58:28 GMT
I have everything humming on a fresh install of Corel Linux 1.1 except
my aging IBM Prometheus aka Aria Soundboard. It's supposed to be
Sound Blaster compatible in DOS. Can't find any Linux drivers.
SoundConfig doesn't recognize it.
Any one ever have any experience at getting it to work?
Thanks,
Ernie
jepsr@mindspring
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