Linux-Misc Digest #179, Volume #21 Tue, 27 Jul 99 06:13:14 EDT
Contents:
Re: time-zone (Paul Kimoto)
Re: Need script to convert filenames from UPPER to lower (Thomas S. Urban)
Re: Shortcomings of Linux? ("Casper")
Re: G2 Beta (Al Riley)
Re: Shortcomings of Linux? ("Casper")
Re: Shortcomings of Linux? (Floyd Davidson)
How to install libjpeg.so.6 ? (Mihaly Gyulai)
Re: Shortcomings of Linux? ("Casper")
Re: 2 Nics on 1 PC ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: CIA assassinations ("A.T.Z.")
ACER scanner (Me)
mkisofs seg fault (Torsten Blank)
Re: CIA assassinations (Michael Powe)
Re: CIA assassinations (Michael Powe)
"You have new mail" (david grant)
diskless linux stations with multiple displays (Christof Neuberger)
3Com 3c509b ISA NIC and RH 6.0 ("F. David del Campo Hill")
Re: Shortcomings of Linux? (Floyd Davidson)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kimoto)
Subject: Re: time-zone
Date: 27 Jul 1999 01:45:36 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <7nd9qq$7fa$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> how can I change the time-zone my box thinks it is in?
The software looks at the /etc/localtime file. You can change it
to a symbolic link pointing to the appropriate file beneath
/usr/share/zoneinfo (or possibly /usr/lib/zoneinfo). On libc6
systems, you can use the "tzconfig" program to help find out
which is the appropriate file.
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Paul Kimoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas S. Urban)
Subject: Re: Need script to convert filenames from UPPER to lower
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 05:36:49 GMT
On 27 Jul 1999 04:56:19 GMT, Cameron L. Spitzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Christopher B. Browne wrote:
>>On Mon, 26 Jul 1999 20:05:34 -0400, Christopher R. Carlen
>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted:
>>>I have a zipped bunch of files downloaded from a software vendor. All
>>>the files have UPPERCASE names. But the program that reads them only
>>>accepts lowercase names.
>
>>Take the file, let's say, UPPERLIST.txt.
>>
>>Run the command:
>>
>>tr '[:upper:]' '[:lower:]' < UPPERLIST.txt > lowerlist.txt
>
>As I read the problem, we have a lot of files to rename, not a
>file whose contents need translation.
>
>
>find . -type f -print | while read name
>do
> echo $name
> mv $name `echo $name | tr A-Z a-z`
>done
>
>That is, starting in the current directory, find all the ordinary files
>and rename them with lowercase letters. Leave the directory names
>(and pipes and device nodes...) alone.
>
>We assume, for simplicity, there aren't any lowercase-named files
>lying around that would get clobbered by their similarly named
>neighbors.
>
>Beware the tr(1) command. Christopher gave it an argument that only
>GNU tr will understand. I gave an arg that GNU and BSD tar will know.
>The System V tr prefers '[A-Z]' with brackets. The quotes would
>prevent your shell from interpreting the brackets.
>
Here's a nice perl script from the O'reilly "Perl Cookbok":
<begin O'reilly code>
#!/usr/local/bin/perl -w
$op = shift or die "Usage: rename.pl expr [files]\n";
chomp(@ARGV = <STDIN>) unless @ARGV;
for (@ARGV) {
$was = $_;
eval $op;
die $@ if $@;
print "renaming \"$was\" to \"$_\"\n";
rename($was, $_) unless $was eq $_;
}
</end O'reilly code>
I put this in my path and use it to rename files with the
power of perl. Eg:
Rename all files in current dir to lower case:
% rename.pl 'tr/A-Z/a-z/' *
Rename *.htm to *.html:
% rename.pl 's/\.htm$/\.html/' *.*
Remove 0's from 0 padded numbers in filenames:
% rename.pl 's/0+([1-9][0-9]*)/\1/' *.*
A million other things.
Apologies to O'reilly if this code is Copyrighted - the
book is pretty useful if you use perl much, and if you
don't, it might convince you to.
Regards
Scott
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From: "Casper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Shortcomings of Linux?
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 06:45:45 GMT
"AP" == "Ashley Penney" writes:
AP> On 26 Jul 1999 06:01:43 GMT, Darren Winsper
AP> ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) gabbered:
AP> :On Sun, 25 Jul 1999 20:34:42 GMT, Casper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
AP> :wrote:
AP> :> Give it up DUDE! You know NOTHING about Miami, and I've seen
AP> :> from your previous post that you are completely CLUELESS, and
AP> :> you continue to make an ass out of yourself.
AP> :
AP> :Just out of interest, what are the advantages of Miami over
AP> :pppd?
AP>
AP> Darren,
AP>
AP> You've stirred up the Amiga nutcases, RUN DARREN! Run and don't
AP> look back or you will see the horde of Amiga fanatics frantically
AP> clutching their rather pathetically outdated hardware. Run.
AP>
Yet another cluless idiot. It is amazing how they've come crawling
out of the woodwork like cockroaches since the announcement of the
AmigaNG.
Apparently, things are boring as hell in the PC and MAC world. If not
above most of these morons heads, so they come here to spew their
foolish dribble.
tis sad...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Al Riley)
Subject: Re: G2 Beta
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 13:47:43 GMT
On Sat, 24 Jul 1999 22:40:43 -0400, coffee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Ive got G2 working on RH6.0. If your using rh5.2 [from my experience]
>then you need realplayer ver. 5.0
>
>visit my site
>http://www.indy.net/~coffee
>I just wrote a helper for newbies about realplayer and its problems. Its
>nothing special but its a good reference.
Which version of G2 do you pick for RH 6: a.out or ELF ??
Thanks.
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From: "Casper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Shortcomings of Linux?
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 07:02:10 GMT
"AP" == "Ashley Penney" writes:
AP>
AP> On 26 Jul 1999 12:59:03 -0600, Craig Kelley ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
AP> gabbered:
AP> :[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ashley Penney) writes:
AP> :
AP> :> :> Give it up DUDE! You know NOTHING about Miami, and I've
AP> :> :> seen from your previous post that you are completely
AP> :> :> CLUELESS, and you continue to make an ass out of yourself.
AP> :> :
AP> :> :Just out of interest, what are the advantages of Miami over
AP> :> :pppd?
AP> :>
AP> :> Darren,
AP> :>
AP> :> You've stirred up the Amiga nutcases, RUN DARREN! Run and
AP> :> don't look back or you will see the horde of Amiga fanatics
AP> :> frantically clutching their rather pathetically outdated
AP> :> hardware.
AP> :
AP> :... and QNX demo disks.
AP>
AP> LOL, that's the biggest chuckle I've had all day. Thanks for
AP> that one. :)
AP>
Heh...take a look in the mirror and you will see a fool! It will be
quite amusing I'd think. Probably, much better than the lame attempt
above. You people are totally cluless. It is pathetic, it really is.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Floyd Davidson)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Shortcomings of Linux?
Date: 27 Jul 1999 06:35:46 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Jeffrey D. Webster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Anthony Ord wrote:
>> --- START INSERT ---
>>
>> On 18 Jul 1999 18:00:18 GMT, Holger Kruse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >But it does work. MS-CHAP was extremely unpopular, broke
>> >some PPP implementations, has major security flaws (even in
>> >V2), yet Microsoft pushed it through by implementing it
>> >in 95/98/NT, and now everybody is using it. Even third parties
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> >were forced to implement it, or they would have lost market
>> >share.
>>
>> ---END INSERT ---
...
> Hence, my statement stands: he did not say "everybody" as in "none excluded"
>
>Regards,
>Jeffrey D. Webster
The statement was clearly not intended to mean "none excluded".
The statement is just as clearly *wrong* in the context it was
intended. You cannot hide by claiming others misunderstood the
context. They didn't. The statement was just plain wrong.
Very few ISP's are using MS-CHAP, and the list that you gave us
was grossly incorrect.
(None of which makes IP networking for the Amiga any less
worthy. Nor does it make IP networking for Linux any more or
less worthy either. But the simple fact is that the Amiga does
not compare to Linux in any way shape or form (yet!). To date
they are just not even close to the same thing, and just as
clearly the Amiga as a platform will take on a whole new (and
greatly expanded) meaning if they port Linux to it and support
it.
Floyd
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Floyd L. Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)
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From: Mihaly Gyulai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: How to install libjpeg.so.6 ?
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 07:33:37 GMT
It was installed before, but now I miss it... :(
How can I install libjpeg.so.6 ? From what package ?
Thanks.
--
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http://www.freeyellow.com/members5/gyulai/
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From: "Casper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Shortcomings of Linux?
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 08:17:27 GMT
"JDW" == "Jeffrey D. Webster" writes:
JDW>
JDW> Floyd Davidson wrote:
JDW>
JDW> > In what way was pppd pathetic compared to maimi deluxe?
JDW>
JDW> PPPD is pathetic compared to MiamiDx in many ways. For one,
JDW> PPPD is JUST PPPD. MiamiDx is TCP/IP, Firewall, IP-NAT,
JDW> inetd, several built-in services, all TCP/IP configs, AND
JDW> PPPD, SLIP, CSLIP, ARP, RARP, DHCP, etc. It's like all of
JDW> the TCP/IP from Linux, PLUS the various protocols. MiamiDx
JDW> is like Winsock done the right way... the only way.
JDW>
Excellent comparison Jeffery. Well done. Yet again another troll
makes a complete fool out of himself. Way to go Floyd! Have you got
your big foot out of your mouth yet?
JDW>
JDW> > It appears to me that you are blowing more smoke in the same
JDW> > direction as those who claimed that MS-CHAP was being used by
JDW> > "everyone", and was required by a whole list of ISP's (who all
JDW> > used regular CHAP and are quite compatible with Linux).
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: 2 Nics on 1 PC
Date: 27 Jul 1999 08:23:31 GMT
Kalle Wisch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb
am Mon, 26 Jul 1999 15:04:53 +0200 in comp.os.linux.misc:
KW> Help.
KW> We are trying to configure a Firewall and we have 2 Network Cards running.
KW> Each in a different segment of the Net and different domains.
KW> They are both working, but the ping answering times are very bad.
KW> The routing seems to be wrong...
KW> How to configure?
More information could *really* help.
Very bad ping times, but sucsessfull and some (not all) pakets lost,
are mostly pointing to a interrupt problem.
More information could *really* help.
How about your "ifconfig" and "route -n" printout here ?
mfG
Jojo
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From: "A.T.Z." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 09:51:38 +0200
Mav schreef:
> >
> >> Get back to me after you've worked in one for 20 years. And who were
> >> all those people who sneered at you until you made excuses for why you
> >> were working there? Clearly, you and they both felt that being a
> >> factory worker was demeaning, something you only did temporarily until
> >> you could get a "real" job.
> >
> >Wrong. Totaly taken out of perspective. The people who sneered were just
> >one or two steps above me. And it was a real job, but not for someone with
> >my education.
> >
> So that type of work is for the uneducated (or just poorly educated)?
>
> Mav
It's not difficult to understand someone wrong if you wish to. The work I did
wouldn't require any education. So you could say the work I did fits the poorly
educated.
Before you start to flame me: I respect everyone, don't care about the work
they do. And I know plenty jobs in factories does require much, and sometimes a
high education.
I want to get back to where we started.
I think someone who can work should work, no matter what he (or she) has to do.
Only if no job can be found social security should provide an income. If the
person involved doesn't want to work, or doesn't try to get a job, then there
is no reason why the community should provide this person with an income higher
then needed to survive. Even if the job is absolutely not what the person wants
I think he or she should except this until a better suited job is found. This
is absolutely not a work or die scenario as some of you did suggest.
Bye,
B.
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From: Me <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: ACER scanner
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 19:08:43 +1000
Does anyone know if there is a driver for the ACER prism 310s scanner?
If so, where can I get it from...
Thanks for your help..
--Macca
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From: Torsten Blank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: mkisofs seg fault
Date: 27 Jul 1999 10:46:04 +0200
Hi!
If i try to create a multisession CD with mkisofs 1.12-b5 i get a
segmentation fault while creating the directory entries for the third,
or fourth session. Every session consists of many small files, so i
think, that limitations for the directory size, or the number of files
could be the reason. If i tar all the files, and then create the
session, everything works fine. Is there such a limitation? Is there a
'#define' in the source which i can raise?
Greetings Torsten Blank
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From: Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: 27 Jul 1999 00:54:06 -0700
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>>>>> "MK" == MK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
MK> On 26 Jul 1999 01:45:09 -0700, Michael Powe
MK> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> No, the ones doing most of the complaining make $60K a year,
>> >> spend $75K a year and whine about the `gummint' taking their
>> >> money. At least in the US, the rate of increase for
>> consumer >> indebtedness is far higher than the rate of
>> increase for gov't >> debt. The same people who criticize the
>> `gummint' for >> mismanaging funds are themselves incompetent
>> in the same >> matter.
Jim> Where did you get this little gem? cites?
>> Do you have any "cites" to the contrary? I offer in evidence,
>> the amount of whining that goes on in newsgroups ... there are
>> no poor people in evidence here, and yet there's plenty of
>> whining about the `gummint' taking their money.
MK> Shrug. Because it's true. It _is_ their money, and the
MK> government _is_ taking it away. Whether the individual
MK> mismanages his money or not is _his_ problem only; when
MK> government mismanages money (and it is routine, try to look at
MK> European economies), everybody looses. That's group
MK> responsibility, something that civilized people frown upon.
And you evade the point. I have no respect for bourgeois whining about
their tax bills. The only reason they do so is because they're too
weak to live within their means -- then, when they overspend, they
blame it on the gov't. The gov't then responds by increasing the tax
burden on the lower classes, who don't vote and therefore pose little
threat at the polls.
>> Currently, the US Congress is about to pass yet another tax
>> package for the bourgeois, the "marriage penalty" tax break,
>> the lying lizards are calling it. If you're not married,
>> you're already at a tax disadvantage -- and now, that
>> disadvantage will grow.
MK> This was a ricochet in the battle between feminists and
MK> conservatives -- feminists wanted to get a tax funded daycare,
MK> so conservatives fired counter-torpedo of tax cut to prevent
MK> the bill for daycare being handed to couples with
MK> children. Unfortunately, singles have got a part of
MK> blast. Well, that's what happens when the government becomes
MK> "involved" in the economy.
Wow! There's some nice "reinterpretation." Apparently, you're one of
those people who think businessmen will suddenly, miraculously "play
nice" if there are no more regulations. Hey -- it could happen.
Monkeys might fly out my nose, too.
>> Who does Congress represent -- the poor? Yeah, I had to inject
>> a little humour there. After the "Tax REform Act of 1986," my
>> taxes went up -- and the taxes went way down for people making
>> $10K per year more than I was making. Entirely predictable.
MK> Or else those people will evade the taxes (take note of
MK> proliferation of tax havens), or if they will be absolutely
MK> unable to pay, they will pass most of their taxes onto
MK> customers, Sherlock. That's what happens in Europe, check
MK> practice if you don't believe theory. Purchasing power of
MK> hour of work, etc.
Right, the old "give businesses a bigger tax break or they'll raise
their prices" blackmail. Funny, the tax burden on US business has
dropped more than 50% in the last 30 years ... with no appreciable
benefit to the consumer.
How do you tell a businessman is lying? His lips are moving.
mp
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From: Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: 27 Jul 1999 01:13:00 -0700
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>>>>> "Larry" == Larry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Larry> On 26 Jul 1999 02:10:22 -0700, Michael Powe
Larry> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
Michel> For the record I am not born in a rich family. My father
Michel> had 14 children and we were very very poor. I worked hard
Michel> to pay for my college and university education, I had no
Michel> one to help me. I worked on tobacco farms in the summer,
Michel> worked night shift cleaning up floors and doing other
Michel> creasy jobs during the winter and still managed to get
Michel> good grades and am now a successfull electronic engineer.
>>
Michel> So all that bullshit about the poors not being able to get
Michel> out of the shit I'm sure you know where I think you should
Michel> stick up to.
>> >> This does not prove that you were anything but a lucky >>
>> exception. Hard work does NOT guarantee success -- if you're
>> >> an honest man, you admit that. Most people work hard ALL
>> THEIR >> LIVES and never get anywhere. That's the cold hard
>> reality.
Larry> Hard work does guarantee success, to those who view success
Larry> as being something other than money. But it is easy to see
Larry> that your view of success is dependant upon how much money
Larry> you have.
Obviously, you're a stranger to the real world. It's easy to see that
your view of the world is not impacted by the lives of the poor.
Larry> You sir are a loser in life. That is easily seen from your
Larry> writing, and the way you constantly complain about other
Larry> people's success.
Larry> Loser, loser, loser.
Thankyou thankyou thankyou. It's not often I'm blessed with the
droppings of `He Who Knows All There Is To Know About Everything Worth
Knowing.' I feel sure you operate one of those 1-900 psychic
hotlines. Don't be shy ... give us the number so we can dial in for
more wisdom!
mp
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (david grant)
Subject: "You have new mail"
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 08:46:00 GMT
Sometime ago I saw the way to stop the sendmail daemon from sending
messages to the spool file at startup on RH6.0 but unfortunately I
never saved the response.
Can somebody tell me how to inhibit this as I would like to use
fetchmail plus an email client to read my (real) messages and stop
using VMWare+ Eudora even though the latter is so easy to do.
I have tried all the X-windows based linux email programs but the only
decent one catering for multiple pop servers is XFMail, which crashes
and is not being maintained. I have also used Mahogany but I prefer to
be logged in as root on a standalone PC and this (unbelieveably is not
catered for).
David Grant
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From: Christof Neuberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: diskless linux stations with multiple displays
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 09:38:48 +0200
Hello dear friends,
I'm looking for a solution or a proven concept with linux stations
driving multiple graphic cards. If possible, the stations should run
diskless.
Thanks in advance,
Christof Neuberger
fon: +49-(0)30-2801-1858
fax: +49-(0)30-2801-1020
email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "F. David del Campo Hill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: 3Com 3c509b ISA NIC and RH 6.0
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 10:32:29 +0100
I am trying to make this card work on a fresh installation of
Red Hat Linux 6.0. After a lot of effort I have managed to make it work
from the control-panel, but I can't make it run at boot up.
I have deactivated the PnP in the card and selected the
"Activate interface at boot time" in the edit menu of the Network
Configurator/Interfaces. When I boot up it just says that the eth0 start
up has failed, but if I activate it manually from the Network
Configurator/Interfaces, it works!
The user has a dual bootable machine, so leaving it like that is
not an option. Any ideas?
Thank you for your time,
F. David del Campo Hill
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Floyd Davidson)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Shortcomings of Linux?
Date: 27 Jul 1999 06:51:18 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Jeffrey D. Webster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Floyd Davidson wrote:
>> Casper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >Oh yeah, i've tried PPPD on a linux machine and frankly it is
>> >PATHETIC compared to miami Deluxe. The question is that have you
>> >tried Miami Deluxe on an Amiga? I seriously doubt it, otherwish you
>> >would not continue to make a fool out of yourslelf!
>>
>> In what way was pppd pathetic compared to maimi deluxe?
>
> PPPD is pathetic compared to MiamiDx in many ways. For one, PPPD is
>JUST PPPD. MiamiDx is TCP/IP, Firewall, IP-NAT, inetd, several built-in
>services, all TCP/IP configs, AND PPPD, SLIP, CSLIP, ARP, RARP, DHCP,
>etc. It's like all of the TCP/IP from Linux, PLUS the various
>protocols.
> MiamiDx is like Winsock done the right way... the only way.
That is about the most horrible concept of IP networking that I
can imagine! The only do everything under the sun concoction
like that which has ever managed to gain my approval is GNU
Emacs. (Of course even there, I use XEmacs instead... :-)
In fact, only on "personal" computers like MS-Windows and the
Amiga could such an implementation be valuable (and in those
cases it *is* valuable!). But we sure are not going to be
running ISP's and any variety of other types of servers that
make up the Internet using that paradigm.
Attempts at comparing the two are invalid on their face. Even
the _best_ implementation similar to that one on the Amiga (and
it may well be the best of that type) is not in contention for
the same functionality that will be used in a unix (or any other
major multiuser/server/router type of platform) implementation
of networking.
>> It appears to me that you are blowing more smoke in the same
>> direction as those who claimed that MS-CHAP was being used by
>> "everyone", and was required by a whole list of ISP's (who all
>> used regular CHAP and are quite compatible with Linux).
>
> No one ever stated that MS-CHAP, or CHAP was incompatible with
>Linux. And when Holger stated that "everyone" was using MS-CHAP it was
>merely a figurative reference. He clarified that in a post that
>followed that one. Of course, you would have to have read the entire
>thread to realize the context.
Mr. Holger was clearly in error when he made that statement. Your
list of "MS-CHAP" sites was just as clearly in error. You both seem to
be suffering "kennel blindness" to borrow a phrase from dog breeders.
Floyd
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Floyd L. Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)
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