Linux-Misc Digest #179, Volume #26               Sun, 29 Oct 00 15:13:03 EST

Contents:
  Re: boot sector virus after installation?!? (John Hasler)
  Re: Driver for DC10 plus capture card ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: "Operation not permitted" while unpacking tarballs (NF Stevens)
  Re: env var (Clayton Cheung)
  Damn! Now only root can print (D. D. Brierton)
  Re: Apache Install (Mark Post)
  cdrecord stopped working in Redhat 7 (myself)
  Re: Bootable install CDs survey (Dances With Crows)
  Re: USB modem support? (Dances With Crows)
  Re: problem with rpm installs (Rick)
  DHCP: fallback_discard: connection refused ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  mklinux??       (Bob Koss)
  RE: @@@���DONDE SEXO EN DIRECTO GRATIS @@@ ("SEX")
  Re: Installing audio driver... weird case (E J)
  Chrooting SFTP? (Jean-Sebastien Morisset)
  Re: Linux vs Windows 2000 for a statewide computer system? (Mike Sabin)
  tar (Eric Mosley)

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From: John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: boot sector virus after installation?!?
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 13:46:16 GMT

gina writes:
> Pls help as to how I can remove the virus or is this a false alarm?

It's a false alarm from the useless virus detection misfeature of your
BIOS.  Go into the BIOS and turn it off.
-- 
John Hasler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler)
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, WI

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Driver for DC10 plus capture card
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 16:39:26 GMT

E J <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> �L�W�p�l wrote:

>> Where can I find the driver for DC10plus capture card?

> Try the manufacture website.
> If they don't support linux, send them a email telling to support linux.

> Or else ask them to release the specification so at least you can
> attempt to program it under linux.

Or he can just go to:

http://www.net4you.net/users/scherr/dc10/index.html

And get the driver :-)

Adam


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (NF Stevens)
Subject: Re: "Operation not permitted" while unpacking tarballs
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 16:48:51 GMT

"Runar Woldt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Hi,
>
>I have a curious problem here on a VectorLinux system running on a notebook.
>Unpacking *.tar.gz files I get messages like this:
>
>"Cannot change ownership to uid 501, gid 100: Operation not permitted",
>
>(uid and gid number vary depending on package), or
>
>"Cannot change mode to rwSr--r--: Operation not permitted"

Are you trying to do this on a windows formatted partition?
If so you will get the above error message because these
can't store the unix file permissions.

Norman

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From: Clayton Cheung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: env var
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 17:30:05 -0000

Thanks for your respond, but I would like to do it system wide.
Thanks again

--
Posted via CNET Help.com
http://www.help.com/

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From: D. D. Brierton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.mandrake,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Damn! Now only root can print
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 17:25:32 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Running Mandrake 7.1, with KDE2 installed from RPMs from Mandrake 7.2beta and 
Helix GNOME.

Okay, so this is completely my own stupid fault. I had lpd running perfectly 
well, with no problems whatsoever. But in a pique of curiousity, and without 
thinking things through properly, I decided to try out CUPS. So I installed 
it, couldn't get it set up properly, and so decided to go back to lpd. So I 
removed cups and reinstalled lpd, and used printtool to set up my printer 
again.

But now only root can print!

I don't know why---I've read through the printing howto, and checked the file 
permissions and everything looks fine:

# ls -l /etc/printcap
-rw-r--r--    1 root     lp            424 Oct 29 02:51 /etc/printcap
# ls -ld /var/spool/lpd
drwxrwxr-x    3 root     lp           4096 Oct 29 06:57 /var/spool/lpd/
# ls -ld /var/spool/lpd/lp/
drwxr-xr-x    2 root     lp           4096 Oct 29 07:01 /var/spool/lpd/lp/
# ls -l /var/spool/lpd/lp/
total 32
-rwx------    1 lp       lp           9479 Oct 29 02:51 filter*
-rw-------    1 lp       lp            187 Oct 29 02:51 general.cfg
-rw-r-----    1 root     root           33 Oct 29 07:01 lock
-rw-------    1 lp       lp            335 Oct 29 02:51 postscript.cfg
-rw-rw-r--    1 root     root           25 Oct 29 07:01 status
-rw-------    1 lp       lp            148 Oct 29 02:51 textonly.cfg

However, if I issue a simple "lpr <some-text-file>" or "lpr <some-ps-file> as 
an ordinary user (who IS a member of the lp group) then nothing happens. No 
warning message, nothing in the queue, just nothing). Doing the same as root 
does work, as does printing the test pages from within printtool.

Now given that everything was working fine, and not much has changed, then I 
clearly have some small thing set up incorrectly. I would realy appreciate 
some help with this. Any suggestions?

Thanks in advance,

Darren

-- 
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D. D. Brierton       Department of Philosophy, University of Edinburgh
[EMAIL PROTECTED]                    http://www.cogsci.ed.ac.uk/~ddb
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark Post)
Subject: Re: Apache Install
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 17:36:55 GMT

On Sun, 29 Oct 2000 03:42:51 GMT, Jim Finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
>Hello,
>
>I am installing Apache 1.3.14.  After untaring the tar file and running
>the ./configure command per the instructions, the installation exits
>with this error:
>
>[root@pc2 apache_1.3.14]# ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/apache
>Configuring for Apache, Version 1.3.14
> + using installation path layout: Apache (config.layout)
>Creating Makefile
>Creating Configuration.apaci in src
>./helpers/TestCompile: make: command not found

It looks like it cannot find the 'make' command.  I would have thought this
to be a fatal error for ./configure, though.  You might try doing this:
sh -x configure --prefix=/usr/local/apache
and see if you can tell just what is dying.

Mark Post

Postmodern Consulting
Information Technology and Systems Management Consulting
To send me email, replace 'nospam' with 'home'.

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From: myself <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: cdrecord stopped working in Redhat 7
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 18:12:20 GMT

I upgraded??? to Redhat7.0 and found out that I can no longer use

my cd writer (HP7200e). When I give cdrecord -scanbus command I

get the following error

# cdrecord -scanbus
Cdrecord 1.9 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2000 J�rg Schilling
Using libscg version 'schily-0.1'
scsibus0:
cdrecord: Inappropriate ioctl for device. Cannot send SCSI cmd via ioctl
#

Thanks in advance.............

--
Parminder S. Lehal

_________________________________________________________
Whole fun of living is in trying to do some thing better.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: Bootable install CDs survey
Date: 29 Oct 2000 18:28:43 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Sun, 29 Oct 2000 11:04:02 +0500, Lev Babiev wrote:
>I have installed this system back in 97 as an RH 4.2. Since then it
>mutated through various updates and changes. I'm close to recent rawhide
>library-wise, but configs and init scripts are mostly my own. (Yes, I do back
>it up from time to time). I would like to make sure I have a boot disk
>handy in case I get stuck in some way. I'd prefer to have a bootable CD,
>since I am trying to do my part of phasing out floppies ;-). I could put
>together my own. But I would prefer not to reinvent the wheel if
>possible. Now my question is, are there distribution install CDs that
>allow to do rescue? I'd like to be able to boot from CD and access my
>hard drive, have all file utils handy, plus fdisk, mount and lilo.
>(kernel must have support for sym53c875 scsi hba, since both cd and hdd
>are hanging on one). 
>
>Do any distro's have a cd that allows that? Preferably cheap version from
>cheapbytes or lsl. 

http://linuxcare.com/bootable_cd/
http://www.toms.net/rb/

The second URL gives a pointer to a 2.88M version of Tom's RootBoot,
which you can put on any CD using the -b and -c options to mkisofs.  Tom's
supports lots of stuff.  The Linuxcare bootable CD is roughly 100M of
nifty utilities, including X, and it will even act as an install CD for
the stable version of Debian if you want it to.

-- 
Matt G|There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see
Brainbench MVP for Linux Admin /  Workin' in a code mine, hittin' Ctrl-Alt
http://www.brainbench.com     /   Workin' in a code mine, whoops!
=============================/    I hit a seg fault....

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: USB modem support?
Date: 29 Oct 2000 18:28:45 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

>Saurabh Mohan wrote:
>>         I am thinking of buying a Boca 56k v.90 USB external modem and was
>> just wondering if USB devices & specifically the above modem are supported
>> under linux.
>> (if not which modem will be the best bet to buy so that its supported
>> under linux!)
>> Thanks for all the help!!
>>
>On Sat, 28 Oct 2000 18:53:20 -0700, E J wrote:
>No USB is supported except for some USB mice  for Redhat 7.0.  I don't know
>about other Linux.
>Full USB support will be available when Kernel 2.4 is released.
>If you can't wait, you can use the development Kernel 2.4.

There are quite a few USB devices supported under Linux as of now.  Full
details are at http://linux-usb.org/ but you can get many things working
with a little effort.  There is a backport of the USB code to the 2.2.x
kernels available; get that and try it out.  Modems are theoretically
supported, but specific models may give trouble.  Check the URL above
for info on whether a certain model will/will not work.  I can report
that getting a USB HP832c printer to work with Linux was easier than
geting it to work with Windoze98....

-- 
Matt G|There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see
Brainbench MVP for Linux Admin /  Workin' in a code mine, hittin' Ctrl-Alt
http://www.brainbench.com     /   Workin' in a code mine, whoops!
=============================/    I hit a seg fault....

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From: Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: problem with rpm installs
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 13:37:14 -0500

Steve wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 28 Oct 2000 18:29:58 -0400, Rick wrote:
> >
> >Could you please explain the last part.... dir rpm --frephen rpm.n.n.rpm
> >
> 
> Oops, some bad typing there sorry.  I did:
> 
> # rpm --freshen rpm.n.n.n.rpm
> 
> as root where "n" just represents the vearious version numbers.
> 

I tried it and got the same error.

-- 
Rick
* To email me remove NOSPAM from my address *

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.networking,linux,redhat.misc
Subject: DHCP: fallback_discard: connection refused
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 18:31:36 GMT

I have a DHCP server running on a P166, with RedHat 6.2, it has 2 NICs
both of them are 3Com. This server works fine but its getting old and
one of the hard drives is failing. So I am replacing this machine with
a P400, with RedHat 6.2, which has 2 NICs, both of them are also 3Com.
I have made the two machines identical, same /etc/dhcpd.conf, same
/var/state/dhcpd/dhcpd.leases, same route tables, same IP addresses
for eth0 on both, and same IP address for eth1 on both. I shut the
first machine down and start up the second and DHCPD runs great
but...whenever a client requests an address I get the error:

fallback_discard: connection refused

Does anyone have any idea what this means? I'm thinking it maybe
something with the MAC addresses but I don't know. This really has me
stumped and any help would be appreciated. If I can't figure this out
I'm going to start hearing about how Windoze NT would be sooo much
easier to administer, and why shouldn't we try switching to NT. NT
makes me sick.

Thanks in advance,

Charlie Altman
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Subject: mklinux??      
From: Bob Koss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 18:51:12 GMT

Somebody gave me a Macintosh Performa 6015CD PowerPC. It didn't come
with manuals or any software. I'm thinking that if I can put Linux on
it, I don't need manuals or any software that I can't download.

A little poking on the net turned up a version called mkinux, that supposedly works on
this machine. What I can't figure out is where to get it. Is this a
product to be purchased?

-- 

Robert Koss, Ph.D.     | Training, Mentoring, Contract Development
Senior Consultant      | Object Oriented Design, C++, Java
www.objectmentor.com   | Extreme Programming

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From: "SEX" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.m68k,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.portable,comp.os.linux.powerpc,comp.os.linux.security,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.stratus
Subject: RE: @@@���DONDE SEXO EN DIRECTO GRATIS @@@
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 19:02:30 GMT

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From: E J <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Installing audio driver... weird case
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 11:00:17 -0800

$su -
password:<secret>
# sndconfig # At least give it a try to see if it will automatically or you
might have to manually configure the sound.

routerl wrote:

> I have an Asus K7V motherboard w/ built in sound.
> It comes with a driver for Red Hat 6.2 and I am running Mandrake 7.0 (I know
> Mandrake is 99% compatible with Red Hat) and I don't know how to install it.
>
> Is there a way, or should I go out and get a sound card that is recognized
> by Linux?
>
> routerl


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From: Jean-Sebastien Morisset <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Chrooting SFTP?
Crossposted-To: comp.security.ssh,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.security
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 19:16:51 GMT

I currenty use ProFTPd and SSH 2.0.13 (on a Linux 2.2.13 box) -- neither 
one does what I need. I have to offer a secure FTP login *and* I have to 
chroot the user to his directory. I had high hopes for SFTP, but there 
doesn't seem to be a way to chroot the user.

Can anyone recommend an aaternate product and/or a way to config. SFTP to 
chroot the users?

Thanks,
js.
-- 
Jean-Sebastien Morisset, Sr. UNIX Admin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Personal Homepage <http://www.jsmoriss.dyndns.org/>
UNIX, Internet, Homebrewing, Cigars, PCS, CP2020 and other Fun Stuff...
This is Linux Country. On a quiet night you can hear Windows NT reboot!

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mike Sabin)
Subject: Re: Linux vs Windows 2000 for a statewide computer system?
Date: 29 Oct 2000 19:21:54 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Judge Carlson,

I am a former lawyer turned affordable housing real estate developer
who works for a small affordable housing non-profit in Santa Fe,
New Mexico.  I have been a Linux fan for several years, and have the 
following comments:

>I need help in making a decision whether our statewide (several hundred
>users spread out geographically over the entire state) should opt for a
>Linux OS or a Windows OS.  I serve on the steering committee for the
>program.  We currently use OS/2 as our OS, but intend to migrate off. 
>The application software itself is being rewritten in JAVA.
>
>The application is question is the Wisconsin Circuit Court Automation
>Program (CCAP).  Local users (for the most part, clerks of court,
>although also judges, registers in probate and others) input data on new
>case filings, court hearings, scheduling calendars, juror information,
>and dispositions.  Interfaces with other agencies, such as the district
>attorneys, departments of revenue and transportation, etc., either exist
>or are in the planning stages for the transfer of data.  Local data is
>transmitted on a hourly basis to the state capitol in Madison.  The
>database is obviously huge.  We maintain a website for access to a
>mirror site with the public data on a near statewide basis at
>http://ccap.courts.state.wi.us - the website is averaging 250,000 hits
>per day at last count.
>
>In addition to the CCAP programming, our users also need an office suite
>for word processing, spreadsheets, etc.  Judges have software that
>enables them to have court reporters provide "realtime" translation of
>court proceedings to their notebooks.  Email and internet access
>(Netscape) is available for all users.  In local court offices, public
>terminals are made available free for users to access the local county
>database.
>
>Disclaimer:
>
>1.  Please don't let this thread degenerate into an "I hate windows" or
>"I hate linux" mentality.  This is a real decision that will have to be
>made and I need real answers based on fact.
>2.  I am a circuit judge in Wisconsin; I am fairly competent on the
>computer but certainly not a programmer; please bear with any perceived
>ignorance on my part.  I have read a fair amount of the posts on this NG
>already.  If you have questions I can try to answer them.
>
>Questions:
>
>1.  Some of our users are worried about going to Linux.  They fear a
>learning curve exaggerated by the fact that those who own home computers
>are most likely on WinXX and transference of skills will be minimal. 
>What do you believe the average computer user (the ones who go to
>BestBuy or Gateway Country to buy a home computer) will experience in a
>shift to Linux?

As you may or may not know, there are two competing desktop environments
for Linux, the Gnome project (www.gnome.org) and the KDE project
(www.kde.org).  Both provide a very familiar environment for everyday
desktop use, and one whose metaphors the average Windows or Mac user 
can figure out without much effort.  I personally favor the gnome
project.  I think it is more attractive (subjective, of course), and 
has the backing of several large corporate entities, including Sun 
Microsystems, which will give it the momentum to eventually dominate
on all of Unix (including Linux).  There are other, harder to describe,
reasons why I prefer gnome, basically having to do with the fact that
the gnome folks seem to have thought through the totality of all the issues
that are necessary to have a long term, comprehensive desktop solution for
Linux that works with all types of developers, from the proprietary software 
industry to independant free software programmers, to those actually a
part of the gnome project.  Having said all of that, I must say that, 
although I have not used KDE much, it has been around longer than gnome
and is by most accounts, more fully developed.  Gnome vs. KDE can be a 
flamewar-inducing subject for Linux folks, so I hope I have not started 
something hereby.  I would say that overall, with respect to the desktop
environment, with applications left out of the picture for the moment,
I would much rather be in gnome than in Windows.  Linux in general is a 
power-user's heaven.  I don't believe ordinary users would have 
significant difficulty in adapting to a Linux desktop, if given some
basic training.

As for office suites, there are several choices.  My recommendation is 
StarOffice, a product now owned by Sun Microsystems.  Go to 
www.sun.com/staroffice.  Sun has now put large portions of the code out
under the Gnu Public License (a specific copyright that guarantees permanent 
source code availability and freedom of redistribution) and is helping to 
staff an open-source software effort to continue to develop the codebase 
into a fully gnome-compliant office suite for gnome, which will be known
as OpenOffice.  The full transition to OpenOffice will most likely take 
several years, but meanwhile the StarOffice product is here and works well.
The functionality is good, and the interface so Windows-like that many of 
your users will assume that they are running Windows. MS-Office 
compatability is pretty decent, all things considering, especially from
Word and Excel.  But translations of that sort are always going to be
imperfect.  Living as a Linux or Mac or even Windows user (if you use 
the Wordperfect suite instead of Microsoft's) in a Microsoft Office 
environment can be a hassle at times, no question about it. 

KDE also has its own office suite as a part of the project; I've heard its 
pretty good, but have not had a chance to use it.  Applixware 
(www.vistasource.com/products/axware/axware50) has a fine suite, but 
the company is small, and I question whether they will be able to survive
long-term since StarOffice will be available for free. 
 
Your committee should evaluate Linux desktop solutions by trying them out.
Your techies can arrange this.  Just have them install a recent desktop-
oriented Linux distribution on a computer, and Committee members can
practice with it.  Both KDE and Gnome are available on most recent Linux
distributions.  Be sure you have the latest version of whatever distribution
you choose; Linux on the destop has evolved rapidly over the last year, so
to give a fair trial, you want the latest.  I believe that only by trying
things out yourself will you be able to really have a feel for whether
Linux is ready for you desktop applications. 
>
>2.  They are also concerned that going to Linux will create a wall
>between them and other programs perceived to be beneficial that will
>only be available on WinXX.  From the state's point of view, this may be
>good because we prohibit the downloading to or loading onto the state
>computers programs other than those provided.  What has been your
>experience in the availability of new and exciting programs?
>
>3.  Are there WinXX emulators that will allow us to use programs we
>already have, such as the court reporter software (CaseViewII by
>Stenograph) or legal research programs (WestLaw, LOIS), or will going to
>Linux require us to abandon those programs?  How difficult are
>workarounds?
>

As others have said, VMware is very solid, but has the effect of not
obviating Windows.  If you consider Wine, I would suggest careful
testing of all applications you intend to run under it.

>4.  Is Linux stable enough to be able to handle a network of several
>hundred users, potentially over a thousand in a couple of years, spread
>out over hundreds of miles across Wisconsin (we have 72 counties, 69 of
>which are currently using all or part of CCAP)?
>

No question here.  Linux is the most common operating system for computers
on the interne, and is running some HUGE sites.  For network             
infrastructure, database servers, file servers, web servers, mail servers,
etc. Linux beats Windows hands down for stability, flexibility, ease of
administration, security.  Whether or not you give Linux the nod for
desktop use (that really is a difficult question), I would say that 
you would be doing yourself a big favor to go with Linux for all of the 
back-end stuff.

>5.  Is Linux, in the long run, really cost effective?  Moving to Win2000
>would result in a financial hit to our program of $4.4 million
>"initially" and, of course, ties us to Microsoft.  But is Linux really
>that robust that it is going to be around into the future, or are we
>just getting into another IBM OS/2 situation?  (BTW, when we first went
>into OS/2 it was because we needed multitasking and Windows--at that
>stage--just didn't cut the mustard--but let's not talk about whether
>going to OS/2 initially was good, bad or ugly.)
>

Keep in mind that Linux isn't the proprietary product of one company, 
which would be instantly unsupported if that company couldn't keep its
doors open.  Because the source code is open, as long as someone is 
interested, it will keep getting better.  The reality is that Linux is
an earthquake that is rocking the entire computer industry.  Companies
like IBM, Intel, Dell, Oracle, HP, Sun and many others are pouring billions 
of dollars into Linux development.  They see advantages in a uniform
platform that no one company controls (as long as it isn't them, it might
as well be nobody).  Many governments of the world (China, Germany, France,
Mexico come to mind) have sponsored significant Linux development.  Again,
the thought of being beholden to a US firm for their entire information
infrastructure doesn't sit at all well with them, especially when internet
rumours fly around about Microsoft products having security back doors for 
NSA-types to hook into.  I believe, as do many others, that Linux will, 
over time, become the common operating system denominator for our
increasingly connected world.  The world's information infrastructure 
cannot, should not and, in my opinion, will not be built on proprietary,
closed technology from only one company.  People won't stand for it or
agree to it.  The history of the internet is LITTERED with technologies 
that were discarded because they weren't open and free, and therefore
could not be agreed on by everyone.

>6.  Have there been Linux compatibility problems with any particular
>hardware, particularly IBM (desktops, notebooks) and Hewlett-Packard
>(printers), that I should be aware of?
>
Some hardware can be problematic, but remember that Windows 2000, in the
interest of gaining reliability, also has a sharply smaller list of 
supported hardware than Windows 98.

>7.  Our techies are encouraging the use of Linux, but admit that going
>to Win2000 would probably make their jobs easier at this point.  Their
>concern is more "down the road" and getting tied into Microsoft.  Are
>these legitimate concerns?
>
Whatever you do, in my opinion, should be done with an eye toward
maintaining control over your own destiny.  I don't beleive that it
has to be Linux OR Windows on the desktop.  Develop your infrastructure
and database servers on Linux, and develop your applications using tools
that can work on OS/2, Linux and Windows.  Then desktop computers of 
whatever flavor is deemed best for that user or situation can be rolled 
into the system as needed, over time.  I personally think that Linux
makes an especially good desktop for kiosk-type applications, where
you have a public terminal and security and robustness are factors. 

>8.  Some members of our steering committee have suggested that moving to
>Linux is okay because even if it doesn't work out for some reason, it
>isn't a big deal to shift over to Win2000 later on.  The reason is that
>our application is written in JAVA which, theoretically, is OS
>transparent.  But I also have heard the Microsoft has its own version of
>JAVA and I'm concerned about having to rewrite hundreds of lines of code
>to work with MS if that is the ultimate result.  Would it be that
>difficult?
>

Microsoft has added extentions to its version of Java.  If your application
used those extensions, then compatability for other operating systems could 
be an issue.  But if your developers do not use those extensions, your 
application should run fine anywhere.

>9.  Are there other issues that I don't even know about or think about
>that you think I should know before this decision is made?  If so,
>please tell me.  If you have additional resources that you tick would be
>valuable, please tell me.  I've already tracked several other Linux
>newsgroups and read several FAQ.
>
>Finally, if you want to respond directly to me rather than posting to
>the NG, my state email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>And further, finally, if this is posted to the wrong NG, tell me what
>the best one is for my answers.
>
>Thank you in advance.  I'm sorry for the length of this post but it is
>very important to me to get the right answers.
>

Good luck.

Mike Sabin
>Gary Carlson, Circuit Judge
>Member:  CCAP Steering Committee

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Eric Mosley)
Subject: tar
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 19:48:19 GMT

Hi,

I'm having problems with tar (SuSE6).
I have a directory with 3 files in it.
two files are dated 1st march and the other is dated 1st october.

I do a tar -czvf tarfile.tgz * -N 2000-03-02

I should get a tart achive called tarfile.tgz with onely one file in it?
SHouldn't I??

Well, I get all three files in the archive.

whats wrong with the syntax?

Thanks.,

Eric

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