Linux-Misc Digest #179, Volume #27 Tue, 20 Feb 01 18:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Size of LINUX (Grant Edwards)
Re: permissions (Drew Roedersheimer)
Re: Size of LINUX (Grant Edwards)
Re: HOW DO I KILL THIS PROCESS? (Juergen Heinzl)
Re: news reader recommendations? (Drew Roedersheimer)
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (Robert Surenko)
Re: Size of LINUX (Grant Edwards)
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Gzip error when extracting Kernel 2.4.1 (Esteban Flocco)
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (Robert Surenko)
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 17:51:06 -0500
Robert Surenko wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.misc Peter T. Breuer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > In comp.os.linux.misc Robert Surenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> In comp.os.linux.misc Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >> Your missing the point. How do we "know" that a historical event happened?
>
> > We do not miss the point. We know it because we can subject the question
> > to test. There are archives and witnesses and things that have been influenced
> > by the event in such a way as to make them distinct from the way they would
> > have been if the event had not happened. In this case, "the body" is one
> > of those things. While we cannot say for certain that the event did or did
> > not happen (nor tell whether a human being is or is not really a computer
> > with a biological facade), we can become reasonably sure, to most peoples
> > satisfaction, that it did.
>
> > For one thing, I remember it - and/or think I do.
>
> Exactly... One can know something without setting up a repeatable
> experiment.
>
> Much better, now we have 2 ways to "know" something.
>
> 1. The Scientific Method where applicable.
> This is good for tests that can be expected show reproducable
> Data. Should not be the only requirement to "knowing".
>
> 2. The Historic Method... records, independent accounts, witnessess etc.
>
Which is actually a subset of the Scientific Method.
You need to verify that the records, accounts, and witnesses are bona fide.
> How about a 3rd... The Legal Method. The old motive, means and oportunity?
>
> > Peter
>
> --
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> - Bob Surenko [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> - http://www.fred.net/surenko/
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: Size of LINUX
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 22:54:54 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rolie Baldock wrote:
>Engineering is also about not BUGGERING up the PLANET with JUNK
>for future generations to dispose of.
Not sure what this has to do with the size of Linux...
>BUT MUCH more important is not to increase the ENTROPY of our
>resources so that future generations find it impossible to
>process materials which have been scattered thinly over the
>planet.
It is impossible to not increase entropy. Entropy always
increases any time you do anything.
--
Grant Edwards grante Yow! Edwin Meese made me
at wear CORDOVANS!!
visi.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Drew Roedersheimer)
Subject: Re: permissions
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 22:53:49 GMT
On Tue, 20 Feb 2001 15:16:25 +0000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Mike Mcclain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> did eloquently scribble:
>> find: /mc: Permission denied
>
>> Permissions of the pertinent files given by 'ls -l' are:
>> drw------- 7 root root /mc
>
>Directories cannot be read without the execute bit set.
>chmod 700 /mc
>
>--
>______________________________________________________________________________
>| [EMAIL PROTECTED] | |
>|Andrew Halliwell BSc(hons)| "The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't |
>| in | suck is probably the day they start making |
>| Computer science | vacuum cleaners" - Ernst Jan Plugge |
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The _list_ of files in a directory can be read without the execute bit set.
However, without the execute bit, one cannot actually do anything with said
files. An example:
chmod 444 doc/
cat doc/(double TAB in Bash)
*gives*
LFS-BOOK-INTEL-2.4.3.ps resume-example.pdf sample.muttrc
LaTeX resume.asc script.pdf
beowulf.doc resume.doc ubench.log
cousinlove.doc resume.html underground.txt
gpg_man.pdf resume.ps unix.eps
host-detection.pdf resume.sty vimguide.ps
ids.pdf resume.tex.example work
However, if you try `cat doc/resume.asc` (or try to cd into doc, of course)
you'll get:
cat: doc/resume.asc: Permission denied
The moral of the story is, the directory without execute permissions is pretty
much worthless unless you want to simply read what files are present in the
directory. Of course, you probably already knew that... Just my $0.02.
-DR
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: Size of LINUX
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 22:57:40 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rolie Baldock wrote:
>What about a "LIFE EXPECTANCY" Tax, paid when the product is
>marketed.. The longer the life the more tax the manufacturer gets
>rebated when the product becomes JUNK. Just might be realistic in this
>JUNK age.
I think that's an excellent idea -- we need to have the
purchase price of objects reflect the actual total cost to
society. Currently we hide a _lot_ of the costs of objects by
using tax money to subsidize both the manufacturing of the
objects and the disposal/cleanup of the waste generated.
Not sure how the accouting would work...
--
Grant Edwards grante Yow! I'm thinking about
at DIGITAL READ-OUT systems
visi.com and computer-generated
IMAGE FORMATIONS...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Juergen Heinzl)
Subject: Re: HOW DO I KILL THIS PROCESS?
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 22:58:00 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Peter T. Breuer wrote:
>Jean-David Beyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Jean-David Beyer wrote:
>> I checked the MD5 checksum of the rpm, hoping I got a bad download.
>> I forgot to check before. Unfortunately, the checksum was correct.
>> So I rebooted and it went in just fine. It is things like that that
>> seem to keep me from ever getting a good uptime.
>
>> I still want to achieve Noah's record of 40 days and nights. Of
>> course, if I ever get that, I will want more.
>
>hmmm ... I just rebooted arpa .. it was up for 70 days ...
[-]
Used to have machines running from powerfailure to powerfailure
I'd be glad if some kind soul out there could enlighten me regarding
what is so impressive about a 70 days uptime ... the stamina to resist
obligatory kernel updates without being tight fast out of reach
of any keyboard aside, that is.
Me
--
\ Real name : Juergen Heinzl \ it's hard to lose a /
\ EMail Private : [EMAIL PROTECTED] \ friend /
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Drew Roedersheimer)
Subject: Re: news reader recommendations?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 22:59:00 GMT
On Tue, 20 Feb 2001 02:02:20 GMT, Mark Bratcher wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Stan McCann wrote:
<snip>
>
>Stan,
>
>If you ever give up on the GUI requirement, I'd recommend slrn.
>
>I used NS for awhile and decided to try slrn because I had heard
>from several that they really liked it. You don't necessarily feel
>right at home from the get go (always true when changing UIs), but
>there's a lot of power in it and it is easy to use when you learn
>a few basic keystrokes.
>
>--
>Mark Bratcher
>To reply direct, remove both underscores (_) from my email name
>---------------------------------------------------------------
>Escape from Microsoft's proprietary tentacles: use Linux!
echo that - took me a couple days to get used to it, but I'll never
go back to a gui newsreader after using slrn.
<shameless plug>
Same goes for my favorite mail reader - mutt
</shameless plug>
regards
-DR
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From: Robert Surenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 23:03:19 GMT
In comp.os.linux.misc Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Robert Surenko wrote:
>>
>> In comp.os.linux.misc Peter T. Breuer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > In comp.os.linux.misc Robert Surenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> In comp.os.linux.misc Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Exactly... One can know something without setting up a repeatable
>> experiment.
>>
>> Much better, now we have 2 ways to "know" something.
>>
>> 1. The Scientific Method where applicable.
>> This is good for tests that can be expected show reproducable
>> Data. Should not be the only requirement to "knowing".
>>
>> 2. The Historic Method... records, independent accounts, witnessess etc.
>>
> Which is actually a subset of the Scientific Method.
> You need to verify that the records, accounts, and witnesses are bona fide.
I disagree. The Scientific method has 4 steps...
How does the Historical Method use these 4 steps?
No, the Scientific Method and the Historical Method are not the same,
they are the children of reason.
>> How about a 3rd... The Legal Method. The old motive, means and oportunity?
>>
>> > Peter
>>
>> --
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> - Bob Surenko [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> - http://www.fred.net/surenko/
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> DNRC Minister of all I survey
> ICQ # 3056642
> H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
> I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
> J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
> A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
> B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
> C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
> D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
> E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
> F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
> G: Knackos...you're a retard.
--
=============================================================================
- Bob Surenko [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- http://www.fred.net/surenko/
=============================================================================
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: Size of LINUX
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 23:03:54 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rolie Baldock wrote:
>Speed has never been my problem, and will be most unlikely problem in
>the future since it hasn't shown up already. My system is stable and
>from the experiences of friends who are always BROKE because they are
>always upgrading with little or no demonstrable benefit, I cannot see
>a valid reason to consider it. My two servers are 33MHz the
>work-stations are 66MHz and I am a RETIRED P.E.E. I take life
>leisurely and try not to give myself a stress problem. My original
>question was and still is: can I change my two servers to LINUX
>without a tremendous hardware upgrade? And if so how is it done?
8M is enough RAM to run Linux (with no graphic stuff). But,
most "standard" distibutions won't install with less than 16M
(debian and slackware might).
50MB is barely enough disk space to Linux. You can do it, but
it's tough. You really need to know what you're doing to get
Linux trimmed down that small. I've had Linux running in 80MB,
and that was tight.
There are various "tiny Linux" distributions that might work
for you:
http://tiny.seul.org/en/
http://www.txdirect.net/users/mdfranz/tinux.html
--
Grant Edwards grante Yow! "THE LITTLE PINK
at FLESH SISTERS," I saw them
visi.com at th' FLUROESCENT BULB
MAKERS CONVENTION...
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 18:04:49 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> On Tue, 20 Feb 2001 19:23:06 GMT, chrisv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >>Income taxes of ANY sort punish those who WORK, while letting those
> >>who live off of Grandpa's trust funds (Kennedys, Rockefellers) without
> >>paying a dime. Replacing Income taxes with Sales taxes reverses
> >>this situation.
> >
> >But then the less you earn, the HIGHER PERCENTAGE of your income goes
> >to taxes.
>
> OTOH, grandpa probably already paid his taxes on that money
> that you think should be reduced further with no sound
> rationale. Infact, if that money were a straight inheritance
> the government would have taken half of it yet again anyways.
>
> If grandpa wants his decendants to have an easy life, that's
> his business. Denying him that is as much a discouragment to
> do productive work as is an immediate tax.
1. I favor the abolition of inheritance taxes for precisely that reason.
Inheritance taxes are one of the MOST Marxist taxes around.
2. How much you want to bet the the Kennedy's have never paid a dime
in Inheritance taxes.
>
> --
>
> Finding an alternative should not be like seeking out the holy grail.
>
> That is the whole damn point of capitalism.
> |||
> / | \
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Esteban Flocco)
Subject: Re: Gzip error when extracting Kernel 2.4.1
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 23:51:34 -0500
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On 19 Feb 2001 19:06:40 GMT, Yoan Gustavo Hermida <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>4) Gave the command `tar xfv - | gzip -cd linux-2.4.1.tar.gz' at an xterm.
Try 'tar zxvf linux-2.4.1.tar.gz'.
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From: Robert Surenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 23:06:07 GMT
In comp.os.linux.misc Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Robert Surenko wrote:
>>
>> In comp.os.linux.misc Peter T. Breuer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > In comp.os.linux.misc Robert Surenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> In comp.os.linux.misc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> >>> On 16 Feb 2001 23:36:41 GMT, Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >>>>In comp.os.linux.advocacy Robert Surenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >>>>
>>
>>
>> I agree, however, you are using deductive reasoning to gain insight,
>> not the Scientific Method.
> a distinction without a difference, in this case.
A huge difference if you are trying to understand the nature of
knowlege.
Many people here are saying that the only way you can "know" something
is by using the Scientific Method.
I'm saying poppycock.
>>
>> --
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> - Bob Surenko [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> - http://www.fred.net/surenko/
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> DNRC Minister of all I survey
> ICQ # 3056642
> H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
> I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
> J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
> A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
> B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
> C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
> D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
> E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
> F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
> G: Knackos...you're a retard.
--
=============================================================================
- Bob Surenko [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- http://www.fred.net/surenko/
=============================================================================
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